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Morton Subotnik
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:28:00 -
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As a naive/noob question, can someone please explain to my why someone would want to suicide a hulk? I understand that any ship can get suicided in hi sec, but I thought people suicide because there is profit to be made that outweighs the loss of the throwaway ship they use to suicide.
so, you suicide a hi sec hauler with valuable goods inside
or, you suicide a combat ship fitted with hi end gear
but why suicide a hulk? its just full of ore, which is cumbersome and at any given time (given cargospace) is not worth that much, especially given hi-sec / being full of veldspar
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Morton Subotnik
but why suicide a hulk?
For the tears usually.
On rare occasions because you want to have the belt for yourself and other resource warfare reasons.
Some may claim they do it for the loot, but that only works for completely bufferless and/or deadspace fitted Exhumers, so it's safe to say, the people that claim that are just trolling.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Morton Subotnik
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:54:00 -
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so i should not assume that people calculate their actions in this game, except for when they are tired/doing stupid stuff out of exhaustion, according to rational calculations of expected benefit. Instead, players will do bad things to other players not for their own benefit but for the sake of being malicious and cruel to others, even when it is at a financial loss to themselves?
what's the point of the game then? It turns a game of tactics and thought into an arena or random violence perpetrated by people who have issues.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Morton Subotnik
what's the point of the game then?
The point of EVE, as with any other game, is enjoyment, entertainment, achievement. How you acquire that is defined by every individual alone. Get out of your mind, if you want to understand the motivations of other people.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone
so ccp wants us all to be pirates??
Yeah, pretty much.
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:14:00 -
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because we can
Armoured C
Steven Mason
FOR CSM
*with added pirate hat*
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
plate your hulk up
You've got EFT, right?
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Morton Subotnik
It turns a game of tactics and thought into an arena or random violence perpetrated by people who have issues.
Yay! I entered this thread expecting someone to say "[You don't play this game in the way I think you should therefore] you are lonely/sad/psychologically unbalanced/compensating for your inadequacy in real life." I leave, satisfied.
A large part of this game involves PvP, whether it's between consenting adults in warring alliances or between pirates and their victims. People do this because it's fun, not because of their "rational calculations of expected benefit". Unless you're good, PvP is not a great way to make money. And guess what? The purpose of the game is not solely to garner large amounts of in-game money.
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Space Bar South
The Compass
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone
now i lost 3 hulks to suicide ganking un provoked..
so ccp wants us all to be pirates??
They want us all to be level 4 high sec mission runners.
To be fair, I had great success as a miner when following these rules:
1) Don't mine in a crowded system.
2) Have a friend/alt haul for you
3) If you follow both steps 2 and 3, you can also mine in a system which doesn't have a station in it. These systems are usually void of miners, and suicide gankers would rather look for the noobs in higher populated systems.
Stay under their radar, and you can mine in (relative) safety.
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Merbusent
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:59:00 -
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Attacking mining peeps is a great way to get a 100 million isk bounty on your head free of charge, blow up three coveters (like I did) which are hanging about outside a 0.4 system station, why they were there I dont know and profit!
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Qwerty TheDutch
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Merbusent
Attacking mining peeps is a great way to get a 100 million isk bounty on your head
Those aren't clever mining peeps then, because all others know putting a bounty on someone's head is basically the same as giving that very person the ISK directly with "give money"...
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Morton Subotnik
It turns a game of tactics and thought into an arena or random violence perpetrated by people who have issues.
There is plenty of tactics and thought involved in what I have to do to blow you up before I die. I wouldn't recommend going all amateur psychologist over it.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Qwerty TheDutch
Originally by: Merbusent
Attacking mining peeps is a great way to get a 100 million isk bounty on your head
Those aren't clever mining peeps then, because all others know putting a bounty on someone's head is basically the same as giving that very person the ISK directly with "give money"...
Only when you add a greater bounty than a clone costs. 
Use the bounty system to mark bad people with the bounty symbol on your overview.
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Ohishi
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.10.01 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Ohishi
You will lose that as well.
I call bovine *****.
Fraps for proof or stfu.
Logi ships by themselves don't have that great a tank. Why do you think that anytime they get locked in battle they are jamming the warp to button. Now get a few of them together in a spider setup and they can last quite a while. I doubt that people are going to do that though for their highsec mining ops.
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Br41n
Amarr
Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2009.10.01 07:32:00 -
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google on "battlehulk"
my guess on this is the op really ****ed people off, else he wouldnt get ganked 3 times. Not in empire at least.
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Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
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m3rb3aSt
Minmatar
Advanced Component Research Enterprise
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.01 07:36:00 -
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no one ganks my hulks in 0.0
i just warp to my pos the instant a hostile enters local
i suggest trying it out :P
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Drazi1
Minmatar
The Knights Templar
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2009.10.01 10:36:00 -
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I to have had that problem but soon learn't t my errors so to spk.
Pay attention to the area around you and stay aligned to a station if possible, if any 1 comes warp to the station. Do not agress him , cos it will give him the right to fire back , ( someone correct if i am wrong )
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:02:00 -
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So, when you see bunch of BSs BCs and cruisers in a belt approaching your Hulk, you must've thought:
"hah, those noobs are using battleships to mine"
...........pew pew pew kaboom............
"wtf what happened to my hulk???"
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:15:00 -
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It's incredibly simple.
You don't want people to suicide gank you? Fly a covetor. ~20 mil, fully insurable, and nearly gets what a hulk does.
Yes your paper thin, but why would they bother with you if your not gonna loose anything? And if they do gank you? So what? It's cheap.
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:18:00 -
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Some of the suggestions in this thread to protect yourself are really funny. However what is funnier is the amount of people who have shot down the good suggestions.
umad~
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
It's incredibly simple.
You don't want people to suicide gank you? Fly a covetor. ~20 mil, fully insurable, and nearly gets what a hulk does.
Yes your paper thin, but why would they bother with you if your not gonna loose anything? And if they do gank you? So what? It's cheap.
I have to object on the "paper thin". If you use T1 strips, you can fit a MAPC I a named DCU and MSE II for almost 10k EHPs. 
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Dark Livingstone
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:39:00 -
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first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it!
Hulk loose first no matter what u do.. And to why this have happend to me three time, meh.. Either badluck or someone is targeting me for no reason at all.
Its good that the majority have understood what the thread is about.
Would be nice to be able to mine (not afk) in high sec and not risking loosing it to a ship that warp in on top off u, have u targeted and blown up before u have reached warpoff velocity..
Guess ur rigth, u who said that we need to convert to pirates and ninjas xD
Thx for the discussion and opinions!
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone
first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it!
If this is what you believe then you are an idiot.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Amatullah Jihad
Originally by: Dark Livingstone
first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it!
If this is what you believe then you are an idiot.
A gank geddon could probably do it
7x MP I / Multifreq
warp disrupter, 2x TP 1
7x HS 1
5x bouncer 1
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Amatullah Jihad
Originally by: Dark Livingstone
first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it!
If this is what you believe then you are an idiot.
A gank geddon could probably do it
7x MP I / Multifreq
warp disrupter, 2x TP 1
7x HS 1
5x bouncer 1
I was focusing on the fact that he said "no matter what you fit". That is just silly.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:41:00 -
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A typical suicide BS gets around 900 DPS.
A max buffered Hulk gets above 30k EHPs on the weakest resist.
CONCORD takes some 30 seconds in 0.5 to arrive.
That's 27k damage vs 30+k EHPs.
If you tank appropriate to the security level you're mining in, a single BS will never suicide gank you.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:46:00 -
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Come to Mili and mine. Nobody (at all) will bother you there and the roids are huge.
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
CONCORD takes some 30 seconds in 0.5 to arrive.
Check your facts bro, that was nerfed. It is now 13 seconds.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amatullah Jihad
Originally by: Abrazzar
CONCORD takes some 30 seconds in 0.5 to arrive.
Check your facts bro, that was nerfed. It is now 13 seconds.
I see. Tried once to find those times listed somewhere but only got the 30 second figure.
Only reinforces my point really. You'd need 4+ gank BSes to suicide a max buffered Hulk in 0.5 then. There's really no excuse to not fit at least some kind of buffer to your Hulk. Even yield fitted and with cargo rigs you can get to 10-11k EHPs.
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Jenny Twotone
Black Marsh X
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone
Lol, guess ur rigth.. 0.0 mining ops are really what everyone wants.. off course (dont get nausia from the sarcasm)
btw: afk? stationary? bad tank? etc? Stop thinking u know all... I dont want advice here, so move along...
Then go away and stop begging for sympathy.
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