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Dark Livingstone
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:30:00 -
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now i lost 3 hulks to suicide ganking un provoked.. so ccp wants us all to be pirates??
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N Ano
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:33:00 -
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No one cares about your loss. Its only a game. Eve is a sandbox game. Move on. This is not the help your are looking for. ect.
Originally by: Blane Xero SoonÖ. Shortly AfterÖ Iceland Conquers the WorldÖ
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Eleskia
MOTHER-CORP Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:34:00 -
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move system or fit a decent tank..? I've been mining dual account and haven't had a loss yet. You just have to prepare for the worst and always expect the unexpected.... and don't mine afk ;¼)
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Naibasak
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:41:00 -
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To answer your question, NO, ccp wants you to join a big scary alliance and move to 0.0 space.
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Schayol Sunkeeper
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:43:00 -
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why was no one protecting you ?
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Dark Livingstone
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:47:00 -
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Lol, guess ur rigth.. 0.0 mining ops are really what everyone wants.. off course (dont get nausia from the sarcasm)
btw: afk? stationary? bad tank? etc? Stop thinking u know all... I dont want advice here, so move along...
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper why was no one protecting you ?
Actually, that raises an interesting question. HOW could you protect someone against a suicide gank ? I don't think you can actually defend yourself against a highsec gank except tank your Hulk to the max as I do and hope it's enough. Which of course hits into your mining potential. --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper why was no one protecting you ?
Actually, that raises an interesting question. HOW could you protect someone against a suicide gank ? I don't think you can actually defend yourself against a highsec gank except tank your Hulk to the max as I do and hope it's enough. Which of course hits into your mining potential.
Risk vs Reward and all that. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper why was no one protecting you ?
Actually, that raises an interesting question. HOW could you protect someone against a suicide gank ? I don't think you can actually defend yourself against a highsec gank except tank your Hulk to the max as I do and hope it's enough. Which of course hits into your mining potential.
Well you dont have to use a Hulk...
But tbh, short of mining in a dreadnaught, if enough people want to see you dead, and your playstle involves sitting stationary in space for long periods of time, then there's not much that you can do.
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Dark Livingstone
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Posted - 2009.09.30 11:55:00 -
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tbh most of the people want u to play after their fiddle.. And having moved around to keep safe its not that easy finding efficant protection for the system ur situated in.
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Dark Livingstone
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:00:00 -
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From the day i started playing, until today; Theres been an real increase in pirazy and ninjaing.. Actually it seems to be more money in it if the result of mining is equal to 0 isk..
You guys are rigth, if someone really wants u dead, ur dead.. And theres no joy getting ur comrades to kill them afterwards either, because they went in with the intent to loose their ship anyway..
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Doomed Predator
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone Lol, guess ur rigth.. 0.0 mining ops are really what everyone wants.. off course (dont get nausia from the sarcasm)
btw: afk? stationary? bad tank? etc? Stop thinking u know all... I dont want advice here, so move along...
Then why the sad poast? The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper why was no one protecting you ?
Actually, that raises an interesting question. HOW could you protect someone against a suicide gank ?
How ? Three simple ways : * you remote-rep the victim so it doesn't die before CONCORD shows up * you jam/damp/whatever the attacker so it can't kill the victim in time * you kill the attacker before it kills the victim
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Schayol Sunkeeper
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.30 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper why was no one protecting you ?
Actually, that raises an interesting question. HOW could you protect someone against a suicide gank ?
How ? Three simple ways : * you remote-rep the victim so it doesn't die before CONCORD shows up * you jam/damp/whatever the attacker so it can't kill the victim in time * you kill the attacker before it kills the victim
* you scout the route and report and bypass every possible gank * you don't use a ship that screams gank me all over the place
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LordSwift
Caldari SWG-RoNaN-BloOdFiN
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:05:00 -
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Are goons at it again. Damn bees. Must be bored waiting on the next expansion
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Cuchulain Spartan
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift Are goons at it again. Damn bees. Must be bored waiting on the next expansion
Few buddies of mine were hi sec mining two week back and a few goons landed in the middle of them with smartbomb BS's. They lost a few ships, hulks/macks and their orca got out in hull. Easily a bil in losses across a handfull or players plus insurance didnt really cover the majority of it.
No way to defend from it and no real warning. Two people from the same alliance quit Eve recently due to a bad run of luck with hi sec suicide ganks on their mining ships.
Some people just want to mine in hi sec and build things which is fine by me but seems to be getting tougher these days. You can easily create a noob alt, train it for 12 hours and gank a hulk with 8 of these noobs in hi sec using destroyers. |
Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:46:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 30/09/2009 13:46:22
Originally by: Akita T How ? Three simple ways : * you remote-rep the victim so it doesn't die before CONCORD shows up * you jam/damp/whatever the attacker so it can't kill the victim in time * you kill the attacker before it kills the victim
I rather doubt this. These gank ships must be fitted for a massive alpha volley and assume one combined shot shoot be enough to incenerate you. You can't fire first in highsec as otherwise you'll get the friendly attention of Concord. If you fire second it's pointless as the ship in questions will be debris already and Concord will kill them anyways. So option 2 and 3 won't work. Option 1 has a tiny chance of working but I'd call it very unlikely to help.
Seems only thing that would help is to wardec the goons so you can fire first. I doubt many people will do that
Best thing to do is to dock up whenever a goon passes trough your system I guess. Of course, they're not the only ones ganking so that won't help all that much. --- Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenÆt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2009.09.30 13:48:00 -
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start taking some risk, it will be a whole lot more fun
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W3370Pi4
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:03:00 -
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start manufacturing them or go mine in 0.0 _______ Join The"Legit Trading" channel |
Trebor DeCaldar
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
How ? Three simple ways : * you remote-rep the victim so it doesn't die before CONCORD shows up * you jam/damp/whatever the attacker so it can't kill the victim in time * you kill the attacker before it kills the victim
1) Useless... your reps won't have an effect until after the target takes damage. Suiciders are setup to Alpha their target so your reps will have no effect 2) Wrong... Concord will smoke you 3) Once again, the wrath of Concord
Only CCP has the ability to fix suicide ganking... removing insurance for Concord kills. Thus making it too frickin expensive to suicide for the lulz.
Originally by: Hoo Is Siigari lost a ship...
In other news, water is wet, fire is hot, and bacon is delicious
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:17:00 -
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Pay attention, be ready to warp out if you see stuff coming into your belt, don't be afk. Jeez, that's kinda like the same people have to do in low and zero sec! /shock
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Marko Riva Pay attention, be ready to warp out if you see stuff coming into your belt, don't be afk. Jeez, that's kinda like the same people have to do in low and zero sec! /shock
Don't forget Wormhole space.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:25:00 -
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Fit a proper buffer tank, then they won't alpha you easily and a simple osprey will save the hulk(s). Depending on how much yield you want and how you rig it, a hulk can get somewhere between 12k and 30k EHPs.
If you get suicide ganked by a single Brutix, you are a failure. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 30/09/2009 14:38:02
Originally by: Trebor DeCaldar
Originally by: Akita T
How ? Three simple ways : * you remote-rep the victim so it doesn't die before CONCORD shows up * you jam/damp/whatever the attacker so it can't kill the victim in time * you kill the attacker before it kills the victim
1) Useless... your reps won't have an effect until after the target takes damage. Suiciders are setup to Alpha their target so your reps will have no effect 2) Wrong... Concord will smoke you 3) Once again, the wrath of Concord
1) Suiciders usually depend on being able to push two, three or maybe even four volleys out before they get CONCORDED. You seldom ever will see a suicide-gank in a SINGLE alpha-strike (unless it's "untanked barge vs disco-BS", and then again, victim's to blame). Also, remote shield transfers have "alpha-repair" too, and some damn nice cycle time. Shield-buffer your suicide-prone ship instead of equipping it with shield boosters. 2) Wrong. The suicide-ganker already has GCC since he opened fire, so anybody can do whatever they want to him. If you can jam him just as he tries to fire up the second volley... you get the idea. Smartbombs might be nastier, but that can be "combated" by not clumping together like morons. Oh, and energy neutralizers. 3) Once again, GCC. No CONCORD for you. Sure, you can't kill a buffer-tanked BC/BS in time, but you might just be able to kill skimpily buffered cruisers, destroyers or frigates before CONCORD shows up.
Try again ?
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Mrmuttley
National Health Service
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Posted - 2009.09.30 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mrmuttley on 30/09/2009 14:38:05 having suicided some Hulks and Mackinaws (genuine chinese sweatshop or macrominers I promise you.) I can assure that it's a walk in the park to take a disco raven and destroy the whole mining operation.
There is no real defence other than dont use Hulks and Mackinaws in highsec. It's too tempting a target and more expensive to replace. Otherwise major paranoia and stay away from the busy systems to reduce the risk. Harsh but true.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Originally by: Schayol Sunkeeper why was no one protecting you ?
Actually, that raises an interesting question. HOW could you protect someone against a suicide gank ? I don't think you can actually defend yourself against a highsec gank except tank your Hulk to the max as I do and hope it's enough. Which of course hits into your mining potential.
1. start an alt account 2. train caldari/minmatar logistics 3. buy basilisk/scimitar 4. target hulk 5. start shield reppers 6. laugh at anyone trying to suicide gank your hulk 7. there is no 7 8. but really? stop mining, its the least profitable profession and should only be done if you really really enjoy it. 9. sell your hulk character and buy a lvl 4 mission runner 10. words 11. more words 12. end ♥
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Korizan
Red Mercury Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.09.30 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 30/09/2009 15:46:40 Watch Local. If local is so full you can't do that, change systems. Set known gankers and pirates to low standings.
The best suggestion is location location location. Some places are just notorious for suicide ganks. Mining in those locations really is not a good idea.
And just out of curiosity, you said three times now. What system / constellation ? Same People / corp ? What is the time frame ? week , month, year
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Ohishi
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Mrmuttley Edited by: Mrmuttley on 30/09/2009 14:38:05 having suicided some Hulks and Mackinaws (genuine chinese sweatshop or macrominers I promise you.) I can assure that it's a walk in the park to take a disco raven and destroy the whole mining operation.
There is no real defence other than dont use Hulks and Mackinaws in highsec. It's too tempting a target and more expensive to replace. Otherwise major paranoia and stay away from the busy systems to reduce the risk. Harsh but true.
/shrug
This. Everyone offering advice on how to tank your ship or to use RR...are dead wrong. Suicide ganking is by far the easiest thing to do in EVE. If someone wants to get you they will get you. And to the guy that said to use a logi ship... You will lose that as well.
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Awesome Possum
Imperium Signal Corps
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Ohishi You will lose that as well.
I call bovine *****.
Fraps for proof or stfu. ♥
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:27:00 -
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mine with a logistic ship next to you and plate your hulk up ?
Armoured C Steven Mason FOR CSM *with added pirate hat*
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Morton Subotnik
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:28:00 -
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As a naive/noob question, can someone please explain to my why someone would want to suicide a hulk? I understand that any ship can get suicided in hi sec, but I thought people suicide because there is profit to be made that outweighs the loss of the throwaway ship they use to suicide.
so, you suicide a hi sec hauler with valuable goods inside or, you suicide a combat ship fitted with hi end gear
but why suicide a hulk? its just full of ore, which is cumbersome and at any given time (given cargospace) is not worth that much, especially given hi-sec / being full of veldspar
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Morton Subotnik but why suicide a hulk?
For the tears usually.
On rare occasions because you want to have the belt for yourself and other resource warfare reasons.
Some may claim they do it for the loot, but that only works for completely bufferless and/or deadspace fitted Exhumers, so it's safe to say, the people that claim that are just trolling. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Morton Subotnik
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:54:00 -
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so i should not assume that people calculate their actions in this game, except for when they are tired/doing stupid stuff out of exhaustion, according to rational calculations of expected benefit. Instead, players will do bad things to other players not for their own benefit but for the sake of being malicious and cruel to others, even when it is at a financial loss to themselves?
what's the point of the game then? It turns a game of tactics and thought into an arena or random violence perpetrated by people who have issues.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Morton Subotnik what's the point of the game then?
The point of EVE, as with any other game, is enjoyment, entertainment, achievement. How you acquire that is defined by every individual alone. Get out of your mind, if you want to understand the motivations of other people. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone
so ccp wants us all to be pirates??
Yeah, pretty much.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:14:00 -
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because we can
Armoured C Steven Mason FOR CSM *with added pirate hat*
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C plate your hulk up
You've got EFT, right?
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Morton Subotnik It turns a game of tactics and thought into an arena or random violence perpetrated by people who have issues.
Yay! I entered this thread expecting someone to say "[You don't play this game in the way I think you should therefore] you are lonely/sad/psychologically unbalanced/compensating for your inadequacy in real life." I leave, satisfied.
A large part of this game involves PvP, whether it's between consenting adults in warring alliances or between pirates and their victims. People do this because it's fun, not because of their "rational calculations of expected benefit". Unless you're good, PvP is not a great way to make money. And guess what? The purpose of the game is not solely to garner large amounts of in-game money.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Space Bar South The Compass
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone now i lost 3 hulks to suicide ganking un provoked.. so ccp wants us all to be pirates??
They want us all to be level 4 high sec mission runners.
To be fair, I had great success as a miner when following these rules:
1) Don't mine in a crowded system. 2) Have a friend/alt haul for you 3) If you follow both steps 2 and 3, you can also mine in a system which doesn't have a station in it. These systems are usually void of miners, and suicide gankers would rather look for the noobs in higher populated systems.
Stay under their radar, and you can mine in (relative) safety.
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Merbusent
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:59:00 -
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Attacking mining peeps is a great way to get a 100 million isk bounty on your head free of charge, blow up three coveters (like I did) which are hanging about outside a 0.4 system station, why they were there I dont know and profit!
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Qwerty TheDutch
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Merbusent Attacking mining peeps is a great way to get a 100 million isk bounty on your head
Those aren't clever mining peeps then, because all others know putting a bounty on someone's head is basically the same as giving that very person the ISK directly with "give money"...
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Morton Subotnik It turns a game of tactics and thought into an arena or random violence perpetrated by people who have issues.
There is plenty of tactics and thought involved in what I have to do to blow you up before I die. I wouldn't recommend going all amateur psychologist over it.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.09.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Qwerty TheDutch
Originally by: Merbusent Attacking mining peeps is a great way to get a 100 million isk bounty on your head
Those aren't clever mining peeps then, because all others know putting a bounty on someone's head is basically the same as giving that very person the ISK directly with "give money"...
Only when you add a greater bounty than a clone costs.
Use the bounty system to mark bad people with the bounty symbol on your overview. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Ohishi
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.10.01 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Ohishi You will lose that as well.
I call bovine *****.
Fraps for proof or stfu.
Logi ships by themselves don't have that great a tank. Why do you think that anytime they get locked in battle they are jamming the warp to button. Now get a few of them together in a spider setup and they can last quite a while. I doubt that people are going to do that though for their highsec mining ops.
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Br41n
Amarr Pinky and the Brain corp
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Posted - 2009.10.01 07:32:00 -
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google on "battlehulk"
my guess on this is the op really ****ed people off, else he wouldnt get ganked 3 times. Not in empire at least. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pinky: Gee, Brain. What are we going to do tonight?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. Try to take over the world. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
m3rb3aSt
Minmatar Advanced Component Research Enterprise GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.01 07:36:00 -
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no one ganks my hulks in 0.0
i just warp to my pos the instant a hostile enters local
i suggest trying it out :P
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Drazi1
Minmatar The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2009.10.01 10:36:00 -
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I to have had that problem but soon learn't t my errors so to spk.
Pay attention to the area around you and stay aligned to a station if possible, if any 1 comes warp to the station. Do not agress him , cos it will give him the right to fire back , ( someone correct if i am wrong )
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nafiy gnaw
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:02:00 -
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So, when you see bunch of BSs BCs and cruisers in a belt approaching your Hulk, you must've thought:
"hah, those noobs are using battleships to mine"
...........pew pew pew kaboom............
"wtf what happened to my hulk???"
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:15:00 -
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It's incredibly simple.
You don't want people to suicide gank you? Fly a covetor. ~20 mil, fully insurable, and nearly gets what a hulk does.
Yes your paper thin, but why would they bother with you if your not gonna loose anything? And if they do gank you? So what? It's cheap. --------------------------------------------
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:18:00 -
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Some of the suggestions in this thread to protect yourself are really funny. However what is funnier is the amount of people who have shot down the good suggestions. umad~
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith It's incredibly simple.
You don't want people to suicide gank you? Fly a covetor. ~20 mil, fully insurable, and nearly gets what a hulk does.
Yes your paper thin, but why would they bother with you if your not gonna loose anything? And if they do gank you? So what? It's cheap.
I have to object on the "paper thin". If you use T1 strips, you can fit a MAPC I a named DCU and MSE II for almost 10k EHPs. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Dark Livingstone
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Posted - 2009.10.01 11:39:00 -
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first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it! Hulk loose first no matter what u do.. And to why this have happend to me three time, meh.. Either badluck or someone is targeting me for no reason at all. Its good that the majority have understood what the thread is about. Would be nice to be able to mine (not afk) in high sec and not risking loosing it to a ship that warp in on top off u, have u targeted and blown up before u have reached warpoff velocity..
Guess ur rigth, u who said that we need to convert to pirates and ninjas xD Thx for the discussion and opinions!
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it!
If this is what you believe then you are an idiot.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Amatullah Jihad
Originally by: Dark Livingstone first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it!
If this is what you believe then you are an idiot.
A gank geddon could probably do it
7x MP I / Multifreq warp disrupter, 2x TP 1 7x HS 1 5x bouncer 1
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Amatullah Jihad
Originally by: Dark Livingstone first off, single bs t1 fitted is needed to hisec gank a hulk.. no matter what tank u fit on it!
If this is what you believe then you are an idiot.
A gank geddon could probably do it
7x MP I / Multifreq warp disrupter, 2x TP 1 7x HS 1 5x bouncer 1
I was focusing on the fact that he said "no matter what you fit". That is just silly.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:41:00 -
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A typical suicide BS gets around 900 DPS. A max buffered Hulk gets above 30k EHPs on the weakest resist. CONCORD takes some 30 seconds in 0.5 to arrive. That's 27k damage vs 30+k EHPs.
If you tank appropriate to the security level you're mining in, a single BS will never suicide gank you. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.10.01 12:46:00 -
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Come to Mili and mine. Nobody (at all) will bother you there and the roids are huge. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
CONCORD takes some 30 seconds in 0.5 to arrive.
Check your facts bro, that was nerfed. It is now 13 seconds.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Amatullah Jihad
Originally by: Abrazzar
CONCORD takes some 30 seconds in 0.5 to arrive.
Check your facts bro, that was nerfed. It is now 13 seconds.
I see. Tried once to find those times listed somewhere but only got the 30 second figure.
Only reinforces my point really. You'd need 4+ gank BSes to suicide a max buffered Hulk in 0.5 then. There's really no excuse to not fit at least some kind of buffer to your Hulk. Even yield fitted and with cargo rigs you can get to 10-11k EHPs. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Jenny Twotone
Black Marsh X
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Livingstone Lol, guess ur rigth.. 0.0 mining ops are really what everyone wants.. off course (dont get nausia from the sarcasm)
btw: afk? stationary? bad tank? etc? Stop thinking u know all... I dont want advice here, so move along...
Then go away and stop begging for sympathy.
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Lifelongnoob
Caldari Final Conflict UK
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Posted - 2009.10.01 13:36:00 -
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learn to shield tank your hulks (yes that means using shield rigs & t2 invunerablility fields)
dont clusters your hulks together this reduces the risk of one ship ganking all your hulks in one volley before concord turn up. use an orca to instantly tractor the cans as u pop them out
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Paraiyar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 14:13:00 -
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This is why the OP is repeatedly blown up.
Credit to random guy in OOPE I got the link from.
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Victoria Aspire
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Posted - 2009.10.01 15:07:00 -
[63]
People mine in this game?
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Daquaris
I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:48:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Daquaris on 01/10/2009 16:50:55
Originally by: Korizan Edited by: Korizan on 30/09/2009 15:46:40 Watch Local. If local is so full you can't do that, change systems. Set known gankers and pirates to low standings.
The best suggestion is location location location. Some places are just notorious for suicide ganks. Mining in those locations really is not a good idea.
And just out of curiosity, you said three times now. What system / constellation ? Same People / corp ? What is the time frame ? week , month, year
You've hit the nail on the head. Lazy people eventually pay the price for it in this game. There's no reward without risks.
I'd be willing to bet it's probably the same attacking corp, OP seems like the type to blow up in local, providing everyone with precious tears.
Edit (5 min timer so I'll just tack it on here...):
Originally by: Amatullah Jihad
Originally by: Abrazzar
CONCORD takes some 30 seconds in 0.5 to arrive.
Check your facts bro, that was nerfed. It is now 13 seconds.
It depends, a lot of the time I seem to get up to a max of 18 seconds.
Still plenty of time tbh.
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Amatullah Jihad
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Posted - 2009.10.01 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Daquaris
Still plenty of time tbh.[/quote
Yeah man the base figure can increase by up to 50% as more attacks happen. It would take about 5-10 attacks in an 0.5 system to increase the response time to 18.
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ovenproofjet
Caldari Kinky Killing Kleptomaniacs BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.10.01 17:22:00 -
[66]
Carebear tears are the best tears
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OninoTimmo
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Posted - 2009.10.01 17:29:00 -
[67]
Fit small shield boosters (Gistii B-Type is good, Pith if you can afford it) and as many small shield extenders as you can manage, and Core Defence Field Purger rigs. I've survived half a dozen failed jihads using that fit.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.10.01 17:51:00 -
[68]
Originally by: OninoTimmo Fit small shield boosters (Gistii B-Type is good, Pith if you can afford it) and as many small shield extenders as you can manage, and Core Defence Field Purger rigs. I've survived half a dozen failed jihads using that fit.
Don't put faction or deadspace stuff on your hulk, it just screams KILLME!! on a ship scan. Don't mix active and passive tank. A Hulk with a passive tank can tank any highsec rat easily. Don't add purger rigs when fitting for buffer, fir extender rigs. Don't forget the damage control and other resistance modules. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: lollerwaffle on 01/10/2009 18:11:27
Originally by: Dark Livingstone btw: afk? stationary? bad tank? etc? Stop thinking u know all... I dont want advice here, so move along...
Bolded your problem. Needs immediate fixing for less ultimate failure.
edit: Also, why whine if you refuse to listen to any advice? Whining for the sake of whining is win?
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:52:00 -
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OK.. to beat any reasonable single ship suicide gank attempt - in order of importance
1) put a Damage Control II in one of your low slots - this alone will do more for your EHP than any shield tank you can fit on a hulk. Yes, you'll have to drop a mining upgrade, so you have to factor that into you costs, but, again this will buy you more than anything else you can put on a hulk. 2) Raise your security status so that concord like you and come sooner. 3) Shield tank your hulk, but forget the silly deadspace boosters, just add resistance boosting modules, it's not much but it'll help give you a shield buffer.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift Are goons at it again. Damn bees. Must be bored waiting on the next expansion
Yeah but not in the way you are thinking. Also Dark Livingstone shows nothing at all on the various killboards so this is just another goon alt thread about 'things we didn't do but damnnit ain't we ebil for it so prease give us ur hateful attention'.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Ronja
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.01 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Ronja on 01/10/2009 19:01:32 Such encouraging signs that our hard work doesn't go unnoticed. Sounds like another satisfied customer
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Smk56
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Posted - 2009.10.01 21:47:00 -
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Pretty easy to be gank proof. Get a throwaway alt in another corp attack your hulk in a newbie ship. Concord will show up and own him. Have fun being immune to ganks as Concord sits around watching you mine. Repeat Ad infinitum.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.01 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Smk56 Pretty easy to be gank proof. Get a throwaway alt in another corp attack your hulk in a newbie ship. Concord will show up and own him. Have fun being immune to ganks as Concord sits around watching you mine. Repeat Ad infinitum.
Yup. Quite a few other things will make you very hard to gank too but alas not a one of them will get you attention on the forums.
Quote: [03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA [03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
Zeba is the BEST! ~Mitnal |
Miss AnnThrope
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Posted - 2009.10.01 22:43:00 -
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Stop mining, run lvl 4 missions in high-sec, refine loot and you get a nice amount of mins. Can't really build much, but you make a lot more isk from bounties, salvage, and LP's.
I tried mining in high-sec and it's utterly pointless.
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Daquaris
I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.01 22:58:00 -
[76]
Originally by: OninoTimmo Fit small shield boosters (Gistii B-Type is good, Pith if you can afford it) and as many small shield extenders as you can manage, and Core Defence Field Purger rigs. I've survived half a dozen failed jihads using that fit.
Yep, make yourself an ISK pinata!
It's often not as random as you'd think. I will commonly get a corpie or an alt to fly to the belt and "mine" for a few, with a passive target mod and a ship scanner. That way we know if you're gonna drop good loot, or, at least how exactly to attack you. Fit a couple faction mods, and it will often be countered by more people being called in to make sure you drop loot.
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OninoTimmo
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Posted - 2009.10.02 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: OninoTimmo Fit small shield boosters (Gistii B-Type is good, Pith if you can afford it) and as many small shield extenders as you can manage, and Core Defence Field Purger rigs. I've survived half a dozen failed jihads using that fit.
Don't put faction or deadspace stuff on your hulk, it just screams KILLME!! on a ship scan. Don't mix active and passive tank. A Hulk with a passive tank can tank any highsec rat easily. Don't add purger rigs when fitting for buffer, fir extender rigs. Don't forget the damage control and other resistance modules.
I've survived half a dozen jihads and I can say for a fact that you're COMPLETELY wrong. Stop purposely giving bad advice.
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Neila9001
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:00:00 -
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Stop mining, and you wont lose any Hulks.
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Kiri Serrensun
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Drazi1 I to have had that problem but soon learn't t my errors so to spk.
Pay attention to the area around you and stay aligned to a station if possible,
Alignment does nothing if you're not moving in that direction, which isn't practical for a mining ship for hopefully obvious reason.
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bruce liang
Caldari Dragon Warrior.
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:50:00 -
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you can go to high sec to mining,and when you get mining in low sec,you must be take care much more than before
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: OninoTimmo
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: OninoTimmo Fit small shield boosters (Gistii B-Type is good, Pith if you can afford it) and as many small shield extenders as you can manage, and Core Defence Field Purger rigs. I've survived half a dozen failed jihads using that fit.
Don't put faction or deadspace stuff on your hulk, it just screams KILLME!! on a ship scan. Don't mix active and passive tank. A Hulk with a passive tank can tank any highsec rat easily. Don't add purger rigs when fitting for buffer, fir extender rigs. Don't forget the damage control and other resistance modules.
I've survived half a dozen jihads and I can say for a fact that you're COMPLETELY wrong. Stop purposely giving bad advice.
Goon alt spotted.
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Ronja Mistysdottir
The Treehugger Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: OninoTimmo
Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: OninoTimmo Fit small shield boosters (Gistii B-Type is good, Pith if you can afford it) and as many small shield extenders as you can manage, and Core Defence Field Purger rigs. I've survived half a dozen failed jihads using that fit.
Don't put faction or deadspace stuff on your hulk, it just screams KILLME!! on a ship scan. Don't mix active and passive tank. A Hulk with a passive tank can tank any highsec rat easily. Don't add purger rigs when fitting for buffer, fir extender rigs. Don't forget the damage control and other resistance modules.
I've survived half a dozen jihads and I can say for a fact that you're COMPLETELY wrong. Stop purposely giving bad advice.
Goon alt spotted.
Actually he is right. I did attack that guy, TWICE with a dual BS setup. I did not break through his shields, as there where no armor damage on him. The guy next door melted in 8 seconds. Besides, pinata my ass. The Gistii B's hardly ever drop and they cost 20'ish mill. You can get that in salvage from any hulk if you are lucky.
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