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Zartanic
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Posted - 2009.10.02 14:18:00 -
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Well the Goons are wind up merchants. I used to do that at school all the time but that was years ago.
I think perception comes from your own experience too sometimes. I was brought up and live in possibly the most diverse part of the world and colour, religion and being a bit nuts if you want is simply not an issue. So being offended is not something that happens in general. When it does its normally by someone trying to take unfair advantage or 'grief' someone else. So I find people who are ultra sensitive false and down right patronising. In fact they can do more to damage relations between people than anyone else.
Love them or hate them the Goons have brought a bit of vibrancy to the game and good luck to them for that. It helps pull EVE away from all the other mundane games out there. And I'm sure CCP know that too.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.02 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Serge Bastana on 02/10/2009 15:48:15 I played another sci fi based MMORPG, just a small browser based game called Pardus. It was nowhere near as large or complex as EvE, but one group, calling themselves The Dunks, came into being. This group of quasi religious loons took it upon themselves to cause all kinds of mischief, usually with hilarious results.
They weren't quite as provocative as the Goons are in EvE but having played this game for a while I do wonder if the Dunks were just a bunch of them playing around in another internet spaceships is serious business type game.
The Dunks made Pardus a more interesting game for the time they were there, causing havoc in humorous ways, and love them or hate them, the Goons do something similar for EvE. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
BIZZAROSTORMY
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:04:00 -
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"Jihad" more likely referring to the Butlerian Jihad of The Dune science fiction series than modern day holy war connection.
Do you get upset by people flying "crusaders" too?
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marxist revolutionary
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: BIZZAROSTORMY "Jihad" more likely referring to the Butlerian Jihad of The Dune science fiction series than modern day holy war connection.
hahahaha no
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Cancer Face
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.10.02 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards It is not reasonable. Life is fairly comprehensive. Regardless of what anyone does... it's going to mirror something in reality. Furthermore, if it were even possible to outlaw and ban such relationships to reality. It would be pretty damn inappropriate to do this. As it defeats our freedom and liberty to do this.
Quote: I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also...
Is it really goonswarm or whatever who is in the wrong herE? Or were muslims not feeling offended at all when actual suicide bombers IRL happen.
Looking at this. Makes me frown. My toes are being stepped on here.
If muslims find some jockularity online is offensive but not anything on that list. Then I have issue and become offended at that.
ITT some pubbie tries to take the moral high ground while insinuating that all terrorists are muslim with that link. Good work man, good work.
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Captain Tardbar
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rayzol How come i frown a bit every time i see there's news concerning "jihadswarm" and "mujahideen" and their sheikh's and whatever? I play eve to run away, even tho for a couple of hrs, from reality and bam! i find tons of **** remindning me of RL politics and news. I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also...
Anyone sharing theese opinions or am i talking to deaf ears?
Litteral translation of "jihad" simply means holy war and a the persons that participate are mujahid (mujahideen is plural).
That said, CCP already uses the words "Holy War" and "crusader" in game which is the western counter part to those words so you should not get offended.
I think the problem is that most people who have not studied history don't realize that jihad is not a recent thing with the whole terrorism issue and has been around for pretty much the 1100's in response to the Christian Crusaders doing the same thing.
Its just that the modern Islamists are basically co-opting the term as theirs but in reality, its not really theirs but something that happened historically.
Just think of it as some guy who calls himself "Crusader of the Faith". Same difference, just different language.
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Michwich
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rayzol How come i frown a bit every time i see there's news concerning "jihadswarm" and "mujahideen" and their sheikh's and whatever? I play eve to run away, even tho for a couple of hrs, from reality and bam! i find tons of **** remindning me of RL politics and news. I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also...
Anyone sharing theese opinions or am i talking to deaf ears?
Your ideas offend me.
*petitions you*
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Aurora Nyx
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.10.02 17:50:00 -
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I'm suprised no-one called "Troll" on this.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:01:00 -
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I've been trying to resist.
Really I have. ---- Infiniband can do more than just prevent lag |
Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174 I've been trying to resist.
Really I have.
So true
------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
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Lindr
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Posted - 2009.10.02 18:44:00 -
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Goons are allowed to roleplay too with amarr being christian talking about crusades like cva why goons not be able roleplay other major abraham religion and holy war?
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Roguehalo
Caldari Kimoto Innovations
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Posted - 2009.11.05 17:23:00 -
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Jihad is just an abstract word whereas k** and n*** refer to specific people and specific creeds. I doubt that the goons(german pow camp guards?) could use words like Taliban or Al Quaeda
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Ketinvik
SRE Brotherhood
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Posted - 2009.11.05 18:17:00 -
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Without getting bogged down in the specifics, here are the rules for taking offense:
1. If you have to ask if you should be offended then, no, you should not. HTFU. 2. If you are offended by anything that a person says or writes in a game - HTFU. 3. If you are offended by anything that a person says or writes IRL - HTFU. 4. If you are offended by anything that a person does IRL - do not associate with that person.
By becoming offended you grant power to the offender. EVE, like the real world, is not friendly to the weak. HTFU.
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Criss AngeI
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:03:00 -
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****ing troll
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Mr Sean
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:34:00 -
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You get offended as you, like many other people, seem to have somewhere along the great road trip that is life decided that you have the right to not be offended. You don't.
People are different then you, and sometimes those differences are going to cause you to get offended. You should be offended. It lets you know you are still alive and thinking. Once you get confused and start thinking you have the right to never be offended is when you make a pretty stupid mistake.
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Oriens Pars
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:37:00 -
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This thread's back? Good......now where's my virgins?!?!
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L'Arbitrageur
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Posted - 2009.11.05 19:53:00 -
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I can't believe i have to talk about Islam in eve-online, but goodness me, i might as well. let me begin by saying 'I am a muslim'.
A) Jihad has 2 meanings in Islam, an inner struggle which is the greater Jihad, and a holy defensive war, which is the lesser Jihad. Every holistic philosophy has a viewpoint as regards to war, if a philosophical belief does not, then it is incomplete. Even pacifism does, its viewpoint of war is that it is illegitimate and there are no 'just causes'. In islam, war is considered legitimate if it is waged for defensive purposes, that is the basic concept of the lesser jihad.
B) Regarding goonswarm using Islamic terminology. 1- This is only a game about internet spaceships. 2- Equating jihad and mujahideen with terrorism is not likeable, but at the end of the day, many terrorists have appropriated islamic terminology for these ends so it is understandable why some uneducated people use it in this manner. it is MORE offensive to muslims than to non-muslims, however as it is 'only a game' i dont care that much.
C) Regarding general players comments. If YOU actually equate jihad and mujahideen with terrorism, then that is your personal choice, muslims worldwide (over 1 bilion of us) do not do this. it's up to you to misunderstand the use of words in general use. If mujahideen means holy warrior, and one is waging a legitimate war, then for a muslim, that is an incredible title. A good example of mujahideen would be those who fought the soviets out of afghanistan, or the people who fought for the liberation of Bosnia against ethnic cleansers. Idiots try to appropriate these terms because they know they carry huge significance for mainstream muslims. But mainstream muslims reject 'terrorists' using these terms. if you view the current bout of terrorism, you will see that the primary targets are mainstream muslims and the primary soldiers fighting this fight are muslims.
D) I have faith in the general eve population that ACTUAL severe racist, prejudiced and bigoted comments will be targetted. These do not seem to be overly so.
-- If you have any genuine questions about islam, feel free to private message me on this name. fly safe if you pve fly dangerous if you pvp o/
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Per Ole
The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.11.05 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Per Ole on 05/11/2009 20:31:10
Originally by: Rayzol How come i frown a bit every time i see there's news concerning "jihadswarm" and "mujahideen" and their sheikh's and whatever? I play eve to run away, even tho for a couple of hrs, from reality and bam! i find tons of **** remindning me of RL politics and news. I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also...
Anyone sharing theese opinions or am i talking to deaf ears?
Sorry if this has been posted already, but 24th Imperial Crusade is ok, but Jihadswarm is bad? Doesn't that seem wrong to you? -------------------------------- Screw you guys, I'm going home |
B1FF
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Posted - 2009.11.05 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rayzol How come i frown a bit every time i see there's news concerning "jihadswarm" and "mujahideen" and their sheikh's and whatever? I play eve to run away, even tho for a couple of hrs, from reality and bam! i find tons of **** remindning me of RL politics and news. I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also...
Anyone sharing theese opinions or am i talking to deaf ears?
Your position offends me. Please stop.
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GrumpyBear
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Posted - 2009.11.05 21:33:00 -
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MATARI ACKABR!1!1
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Bodrul
Caldari Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2009.11.05 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Bodrul on 05/11/2009 22:38:08 Do Most people even know what they are talking about when they talk about JIHAD? Granted a few do.
I am reading posts from idiots who keep on saying its IslamĘs version of Crusade When the first time Jihad was Used was during the crusades.
Jihad, Mean, Struggle, to thrive to better one self Or if your being prosecuted Jihad means Holy war. To Kill civilians isnĘt Jihad and if anyone had half a brain cell they would look into it, as Terrorists who claim to waging Jihad Kill indiscriminately people of all faiths.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/beliefs/jihad_1.shtml
Mujahidin, Muslims who rise up against oppressors An example Afghan war with the soviets, the Americans where happy to call them Warriors and arm them with stingers and train them when it suited them as they could have their foe fight on a third front.
And before any pelleck brings in Bin Laden Maybe they should check his History
Rich family Bailed out BUSH on his failed business ventures (one reason after 911 he had them taken out the US by charted air craft asap) Man who seems to play hide a seek very well or Long dead in some cave.
And before some high and mighty American comes in and talks about terrorist attacks The United states along with countries Like IRAN, LIBYA and UK and so on Has and still does arm and supply terrorists all over the world. US example can be IRA along with the Taliban. Same goes on Deaths indirectly or by friendly fire (something the US knows to well)
Also i will Point Out it is against EVE rules to talk about religous and political stuff on eve. unless its double standerds. example the Topic about Creationists being Locked so fast.
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Warrio
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.05 23:06:00 -
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Wow, this thread is still gronking on. Surely we have dome something more offensive and more thread worthy in the last week or so. - |
Ronbocdn
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Posted - 2009.11.05 23:06:00 -
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Free world free speech freedom for all...very simple equation.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.05 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Warrio Wow, this thread is still gronking on. Surely we have dome something more offensive and more thread worthy in the last week or so.
It seems you have failed at that. Better luck next week though.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2009.11.05 23:41:00 -
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The most offensive thing I could think of to link here.
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Discrodia
Gallente Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.11.06 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Adonis 4174 The most offensive thing I could think of to link here.
Wow.
/thread
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Lotus Sutra
Caldari Sutra Inc
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Posted - 2009.11.06 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zartanic
The real issue is the judgment that it is the perception of the 'victim' to a word that is relevant and the intended usage is not relevant at all.
Herein Lies the ENTIRE problem.
Personally I am more offended by people who are so terrified they might offend someone that they have to find something wrong in harmless words and in doing so, they slowly erode my rights to free speech by getting the usage of those words classified as hate speech and hate crimes.
The world has become overly politically correct and afraid of their own shadows. Where does it stop? I was raised that others words only have power to hurt me, if I allow them that power. By being 'hurt or offended' over a word, I have now given away my power over my own emotions and thoughts to someone else.
Now then, to counter my own argument I DO think some behaviors are just not acceptable. I do not think any kind of racial discrimination is acceptable. I don't think any religious discrimination is acceptable. I don't think any gender discrimination is acceptable, and I don't think any sexual orientation discrimination is acceptable. But I don't think the words used commonly by those who do that discrimination, are unacceptable. The BEHAVIOR is, the attitude behind the words is, but the words themselves are not, and only have meaning when we place it on them.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.06 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rayzol How come i frown a bit every time i see there's news concerning "jihadswarm" and "mujahideen" and their sheikh's and whatever? I play eve to run away, even tho for a couple of hrs, from reality and bam! i find tons of **** remindning me of RL politics and news. I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also...
Anyone sharing theese opinions or am i talking to deaf ears?
They have a right to free speech, which entails a right to offend you. Jihad is not a curseword, and has been used previously in sci-fi. Mujahideen is no worse than calling your corporation ___waffe or using the term "stormtroopers" or even "Schutzstaffel," either of which might be a bit offensive to people of jewish or central-european descent. -----
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.11.06 10:48:00 -
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If you are only offended by Islamic terms then yes it is unreasonable, however if you are equally offended when folks ridicule any religion, then it is reasonable.
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Spurty
Caldari Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.06 12:50:00 -
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Who invented the word? Who invented the concept? Who hides evil acts under the guise of religion?
Ok I'll admit every religion has done the latter one time or another.
And I did expect the spainish inquisition!
Originally by: Machine Delta When making a point, anyone taking it should consider the source.
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