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Rayzol	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:17:00 - [1] How come i frown a bit every time i see there's news concerning "jihadswarm" and "mujahideen" and their sheikh's and whatever? I play eve to run away, even tho for a couple of hrs, from reality and bam! i find tons of **** remindning me of RL politics and news. I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also... Anyone sharing theese opinions or am i talking to deaf ears?
Jenny Twotone Black Marsh X	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:20:00 - [2] No.
Domoso	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:20:00 - [3] I find little of news about jihads in this game. Yeah, sure, I hear about it from time to time, especially reading the forums. But in game, it's rather quiet on the subject. Perhaps it's the people you're running around with? Being an MMO it's hard to completely avoid rl politics completely.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:22:00 - [4] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 01/10/2009 13:22:42 Some share your oppinion, but most don't really care. You can get offended all you like about it though and I suppose that was part of the reason those names were selected.
Gaborelle	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:26:00 - [5] im goona wait til johovah-swarm comes out and i will come knocking on your door to try convert ya :P
Graelyn Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:27:00 - [6] It is never reasonable for you to be offended in the name of someone else. Ever. Period. This is where you fall down.
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:28:00 - [7] It is not reasonable. Life is fairly comprehensive. Regardless of what anyone does... it's going to mirror something in reality. Furthermore, if it were even possible to outlaw and ban such relationships to reality. It would be pretty damn inappropriate to do this. As it defeats our freedom and liberty to do this. Quote: I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also... Is it really goonswarm or whatever who is in the wrong herE? Or were muslims not feeling offended at all when actual suicide bombers IRL happen. Looking at this. Makes me frown. My toes are being stepped on here. If muslims find some jockularity online is offensive but not anything on that list. Then I have issue and become offended at that. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
gfldex	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:29:00 - [8] If you feel offended petition them. The forum is not a good place to solve problems.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:30:00 - [9] I am more offended by the RP failure. There is no indication in the backstory that islam has survived in any shape or form in EVE. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Rayzol	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:32:00 - [10] Originally by: gfldex If you feel offended petition them. The forum is not a good place to solve problems. Ya i know but i wanted to probe a bit and see what people think of the subject before petitioning it...
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:32:00 - [11] a guy I know has his ingame name changed because ccp didnt want him to use it as some people didnt like it.. George Bush... He had been around since beta days, and I shall not go into what his real name is ;)... Is it odd that you take offence, no.. Is it odd that others want to offend... No... The server that CCP uses for it's beta IRC chan also has one called #Eve-Online where the main topic of conversation is about ****, pillage, jewish (they say jews), and those of non-white (aka black) origins.. The truth is that a lot of people just like to be puds and you cant ever fully get away from it, the best thing to do is to learn to ignore it because every area in your life will have such people, if they are bad enough you can usually have something done, but dont count on ccp taking a ethical standing based on slander of non-prominate social groups. ----------- Never Forget
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Novus Auctorita	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Abrazzar I am more offended by the RP failure. There is no indication in the backstory that islam has survived in any shape or form in EVE. This should be a bannable offence.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:45:00 - [13] No, i agree with you. And since the people involved in that nonsense are all living in Kentucky or whatnot it could be considered racist.
Nidhiesk	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:48:00 - [14] Do what Tesal does. spit on them, put up a pos and yell, scream at them. then wait till they come and have fun killing them
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2009.10.01 13:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Abrazzar I am more offended by the RP failure. There is no indication in the backstory that islam has survived in any shape or form in EVE. I thought the amarrian holy scriptures were a compilation of all the earths holy books? (a la dune)
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.10.01 14:01:00 - [16] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Abrazzar I am more offended by the RP failure. There is no indication in the backstory that islam has survived in any shape or form in EVE. I thought the amarrian holy scriptures were a compilation of all the earths holy books? (a la dune) AFAIK it is based on catholic dogma, mutated by 20 more millenniums of traditions including an end of the world event with the collapse of the EVE gate. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Abortion Engine Viziam	Posted - 2009.10.01 14:11:00 - [17] Heh.
Tarsis Wrack	Posted - 2009.10.01 14:16:00 - [18] So you're offended by people named Jihadswarm who are going about their business in EVE? Isn't that sort of like being offended by people who are Christian and are going about their business in the western hemisphere? Who's really the offensive one here?
LordSwift Caldari SWG-RoNaN-BloOdFiN	Posted - 2009.10.01 14:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Abrazzar I am more offended by the RP failure. There is no indication in the backstory that islam has survived in any shape or form in EVE. Probably part of the amarr relgion. they try to convert everyone. ususally with force.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:03:00 - [20] I find the most oppressive people are those who seem to enjoy being offended, see offence everywhere and even put themselves out to be offended and then make a self righteous fuss over it. So no I'm not offended in the slightest.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Tarsis Wrack So you're offended by people named Jihadswarm who are going about their business in EVE? Isn't that sort of like being offended by people who are Christian and are going about their business in the western hemisphere? Who's really the offensive one here? If a bunch of non catholics made a corp pretending to be of that faith, and went on a crusade, then it would be the same.
NSSQUAD	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:29:00 - [22] i dont find a need to get offended cuz who really cares in rl and eve they are just gunna suicide gank anyway
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:31:00 - [23] Hmmm. I wonder if I could come up with a campaign called "***" and go about RP'ing. No, I'm not a member. Just trying to see if there's a line drawn somewhere.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Rayzol How come i frown a bit every time i see there's news concerning "jihadswarm" and "mujahideen" and their sheikh's and whatever? I play eve to run away, even tho for a couple of hrs, from reality and bam! i find tons of ** remindning me of RL politics and news. I'm pretty sure alot of ppl with muslim backgrounds feel that their toes are stepped on also... Anyone sharing theese opinions or am i talking to deaf ears? Nope, not at all. And that is coming from someone who think the GoonSwarms are brats Originally by:** Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Chi'kote Serenity Ascension G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:37:00 - [25] I personally don't care, but that I have no serious RL affects from the RL situations, so I shouldn't. However, I think it is extremely offensive and insensitive. Not just to those of muslim backgrounds either. People using these games are making light of RL situations where thousands upon thousands of real people have died fighting. Its not just a racist title to muslims, but a slap in the face to everyone who has had a loved one die fighting in or against a so called "jihad." I personally feel CCP should take action against those using these terms.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:38:00 - [26] 3K's is censored yet "Jihad", which implies hatred, murder, and suicide isn't. Double standard? You be the judge. By the way, I dislike someone RPing *** just as much as someone RPing Jihad. Fake Edit: Before someone comes and "corrects" me on the dictionary definition of "Jihad", I know Jihad is has a broader meaning, mainly used to define some kind of religious struggle. But let's be real, Goonswarm isn't using it as its true meaning, rather, they use it by the standards used by religious terrorists.
Zartanic	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:39:00 - [27] Edited by: Zartanic on 01/10/2009 15:40:53 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Hmmm. I wonder if I could come up with a campaign called "***" and go about RP'ing. No, I'm not a member. Just trying to see if there's a line drawn somewhere. If you look at all the backstory to the game, which I have only in passing, its clearly intended to reflect the worst aspects of society. So as long as there is RP or a pretence at it I doubt few things would be disallowed even if it relates to a group in real life. You would have to take it on a case by case basis though. Blanket censorship for the slightest deemed insult is the worst feature of modern times and is an extreme form of oppression in itself. In other words if people want to be prats in game then they should be allowed to be so. This also has nothing to do with RL threats or racial abuse which is taken seriously by CCP and players are banned for it.
Josefius Gallente JOKAS Industries Apocalypse Now.	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Abrazzar I am more offended by the RP failure. There is no indication in the backstory that islam has survived in any shape or form in EVE. Sure they did, they are now Amarr.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 01/10/2009 15:40:53 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Hmmm. I wonder if I could come up with a campaign called "*" and go about RP'ing. No, I'm not a member. Just trying to see if there's a line drawn somewhere. If you look at all the backstory to the game, which I have only in passing, its clearly intended to reflect the worst aspects of society. So as long as there is RP or a pretence at it I doubt few things would be disallowed even if it relates to a group in real life. You would have to take it on a case by case basis though. Blanket censorship for the slightest deemed insult is the worst feature of modern times and is an extreme form of oppression in itself. In other words if people want to be prats in game then they should be allowed to be so. This also has nothing to do with RL threats or racial abuse which is taken seriously by CCP and players are banned for it. Using some kind of "*" in-game campaign is just as bad as using the Jihad campaign. They're both mocks to real-life serious issues. They both imply hatred of a group or another. They're both violent. I fail to see the difference. I just don't find humor in either. But why is one allowed while the other isn't?
dtyk	Posted - 2009.10.01 15:51:00 - [30] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Zartanic Edited by: Zartanic on 01/10/2009 15:40:53 Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Hmmm. I wonder if I could come up with a campaign called "*" and go about RP'ing. No, I'm not a member. Just trying to see if there's a line drawn somewhere. If you look at all the backstory to the game, which I have only in passing, its clearly intended to reflect the worst aspects of society. So as long as there is RP or a pretence at it I doubt few things would be disallowed even if it relates to a group in real life. You would have to take it on a case by case basis though. Blanket censorship for the slightest deemed insult is the worst feature of modern times and is an extreme form of oppression in itself. In other words if people want to be prats in game then they should be allowed to be so. This also has nothing to do with RL threats or racial abuse which is taken seriously by CCP and players are banned for it. Using some kind of "*" in-game campaign is just as bad as using the Jihad campaign. They're both mocks to real-life serious issues. They both imply hatred of a group or another. They're both violent. I fail to see the difference. I just don't find humor in either. But why is one allowed while the other isn't? The only thing the goons jihad implies hate against is untanked hulks. I fail to see the problem. (Yes, I have my eyes closed and my head buried in jelly)

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