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Lipbite
Express Hauler
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:58:00 -
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CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1026
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:19:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
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Much better than a ninja post deletion My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1820
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:29:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates.
So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
saltrock0000
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:33:00 -
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CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frenkly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1820
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:46:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed
How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
8
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:59:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed
Incursion "community we-do-it-for-the-group-content" player spotted.
AFAIK CCP the ISK payouts rather than the gameplay itself. Since you have so much ISK, why, you could just play it for the community content, amirite? How would ISK payout nerfs affect you? I mean, surely you're not doing it for the ISK?!? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
560
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:05:00 -
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Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Whole bunch of nulsec entities got upset that someone besides them was making money, and got them nerfed. How badly, I'll never know myself, but it went from a huge group thing that people did for the iskies if nothing else to people playing their solo thing again, like before the incursions were implemented. Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments.
Look at all the nullsec comunities fleeing nullsec in doves a year ago when anomalies were nerfed to below level 4 mission income.
Oh, wait, we're not in it only for the money. |
saltrock0000
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:06:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed Incursion "community we-do-it-for-the-group-content" player spotted.
Not at all, afterall who does anything on this game for "the group" of people you dont actualy know. Null alliances arnt about the group. They are about each individual player out for himself, jsut so happens the only safe way is to be in a large group. Alliance leaders/corp CEO's dont put in so much effort for "the community/group" its to fill thier wallets.
Once flying with BoB I lost a curse in a small home defence fleet, docked got into a ship with salvager and some cargo hold to go scoop my wreck, and within the time it litteraly took me to dock adn reship, someone had not only looted but salvaged the wreck. Example - not group but self interests.
Eve is a game where everyone is out for themselfs, and yes they lie steal and fraudulently get what they want. Incursions were not the exception, but they forced and promoted teamplay.
Incursions whilst filling peoples wallets, created communitys FACT. Created content accessable to everyone and encouraged team play FACT. Did they make decent ISK yes of course, because like I stated before, who does anything not for the ISK (PVE related) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7772
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:14:00 -
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The Gǣno, don't reduce the ISK in incursions because we're not doing it for the ISK anywayGǥ crowd got called on their (very poor) bluff, and as it turned out, they were doing it for the ISKGǪ
saltrock0000 wrote:Incursions whilst filling peoples wallets, created communitys FACT. If that's a fact, then either the community created was very very tiny, or people would still be doing them.
Quote:who does anything not for the ISK (PVE related) Those who do it because it's fun and those who do it for the community (and those who do it to relax, andGǪ). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Carton Mantory
Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities
15
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:22:00 -
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The issue is rather simple.
Isk is the most important part of the game to all of players. Why play EVE if your not blowing up someones isk or you are making it.
You mess with isk and you change the game.
CCP should not listen to the players on the forum or some player CSM or at their annual event.
The game is just a game and CCP are in it for making real Isk .
The original idea of EVE was to have fun. If everyone could fly around in titans who cares. If the only purpose is to restrict players making isk that breaks EVE. EVE should never of been where you played or with whom you played. It was an idea of playing with others that liked the game. EVE is solo game again and makes me sad. |
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Arcan Winter
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:36:00 -
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Easy, I hit summer break mode.... Well, keep training queues updated as long as account is active, beside that moved 95% of PC activities to RL summer related activities. Summer time is to good to spend with a PC game.....
So after all, thanx CCP for changing incursion to such degree that almost no one run them. Have saved me lot of time:) the question is, will I return after the summer and its getting dark again and the game time have run out... |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
75
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:46:00 -
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Who cares where they went.
plex price is dropping, thats all that matters |
Syndrea Caedrion
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:56:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Girel wrote:Ok is it just me our is absolutely no one doing Incursions right now?? The has been a Incursions in the next system to me for almost 3 days now and no one seems Interested in doing them anymore..... I remember before I left due to RL issues People used to do them left and right but now no ones even touching them now... CCP WTF did you do to make everyone stop doiong them??? Whole bunch of nulsec entities got upset that someone besides them was making money, and got them nerfed. How badly, I'll never know myself, but it went from a huge group thing that people did for the iskies if nothing else to people playing their solo thing again, like before the incursions were implemented. Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments. You've obviously never had to scan moons & maintain many towers at once.
Not by myself. I wager that neither has any nulsec entity either, they only have more people in their "army" than many third world nations.
Really, try not to perpetuate the bullshit cycle that has sway over the minds of the devs of this game. It's obvious that no one in CCP actually plays their game anymore, otherwise the nerfs would go in a far different manner. |
Girel
COF Security Holdings COF Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:19:00 -
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I was Just curious as to what happened to them... I used to enjoy the having to form fleets with other players to do them and having my guardian on the field repairing ships and keeping the fleet alive while the others Blasted everything. Idk I just liked the Group environment that was part of them.... There had to be more than just People complaining about making more isk then people in Nullsec but whatever guess I will find another use for my Guardian. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
74
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:48:00 -
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Ya Huei wrote:Who cares where they went.
plex price is dropping, thats all that matters agree, plex dropping, screw all incursion runners |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1387
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:49:00 -
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they gave it up because zombies drop beans and ammo and that's much more fun than isk and LP The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
101
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:15:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK?
How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK? |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:16:00 -
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Zyress wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK? At the highest level of gameplay PVP is for the ISK, too.
True story. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
101
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:27:00 -
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I've always enjoyed flying solo anyway, even when I was in alliances and corporations with other people the only time I flew with them was mining ops and the ocassional Pvp roam, so I never actually did an incursion. I could care less if they were in the game, but it does seem that the Nullbears were the ones pushing for the nerf, so if you want to blame someone, there's your pointer. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1831
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:50:00 -
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Zyress wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK?
Supercap SD Timer games Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
223
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:00:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red.
lol that is risk yet you call Incursion running which actually has ship loss riskless? lololololo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc&feature=related CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:05:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:RubyPorto wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red. lol that is risk yet you call Incursion running which actually has ship loss riskless? lololololo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc&feature=related Riskless?
Not quite.
Nearly riskless and out-of-balance with the risk/reward schedules found throughout the rest of the game?
Hell yes. |
Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
213
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:08:00 -
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The nerf monster came and ate all the incursion runners. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
158
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:35:00 -
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CCP introduces new gameplay....
People cry about new gameplay....
CCP overreacts and nerfs gameplay to the point of being worthless.....
This pretty much sums of CCP's handling of any additions to the game.
Never did an Incursion, never felt the need to check it out, but also didn't care that other people were making isk at it. there are plenty of ways to make easy Isk in this game. If people want to complain about easy Isk making, perhaps there is a more appropriate target...... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1831
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:43:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:RubyPorto wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red. lol that is risk yet you call Incursion running which actually has ship loss riskless? lololololo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc&feature=related
I've flown in quite a few Incursion fleets. The only possible reason for people losing ships in VGs (which were the broken part) is absolute, miserable failure on both the FC and the Logi pilots part.
That's not risk inherent to the activity, it's risk caused by pilot error/idiocy. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
71
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:48:00 -
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That's one way to think of it.
Though if an activity is designed to be done in a group, I'd say the other players being poor at their role is part of the assumed risk. I wouldn't want to run a PUG in EVE. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
64
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:49:00 -
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They got fixed,people that wanted idk to drop on them en masses left,people that wanted to blitz while alt tab left,and people that can cope with the change stayed people are coming back its just better to go nullbear again so people do what require the least effort possible for maximal gain...incursions are not one of em any more...
Still nice just require effort,logistic and realization that it won't gonna rain isk again,without effort. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1831
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:50:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:That's one way to think of it.
Though if an activity is designed to be done in a group, I'd say the other players being poor at their role is part of the assumed risk. I wouldn't want to run a PUG in EVE.
It's a risk that only existed in the scrub pickup fleets. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Fatbottom Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:22:00 -
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The community of:
*posts faction/deadspace fit BS* LFSF
was hit by CCP (wrecking shot) |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
72
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:25:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:That's one way to think of it.
Though if an activity is designed to be done in a group, I'd say the other players being poor at their role is part of the assumed risk. I wouldn't want to run a PUG in EVE. It's a risk that only existed in the scrub pickup fleets. You're probably right. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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