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Girel
COF Security Holdings COF Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:54:00 -
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Ok is it just me our is absolutely no one doing Incursions right now?? The has been a Incursions in the next system to me for almost 3 days now and no one seems Interested in doing them anymore..... I remember before I left due to RL issues People used to do them left and right but now no ones even touching them now... CCP WTF did you do to make everyone stop doiong them??? |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
560
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:56:00 -
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They made them require just a little more :effort: than reading a guide on the internet and shooting things in the order mentioned within. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
398
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Posted - 2012.06.08 04:59:00 -
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Nerfed past the point where anyone wanted to do them for isk anymore. CCP in a nutshell. |

Jhango Fett
Armada Ministry Defence Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:02:00 -
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This is music to my ears. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
717
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:08:00 -
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Fixed. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |

Syndrea Caedrion
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:37:00 -
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Girel wrote:Ok is it just me our is absolutely no one doing Incursions right now?? The has been a Incursions in the next system to me for almost 3 days now and no one seems Interested in doing them anymore..... I remember before I left due to RL issues People used to do them left and right but now no ones even touching them now... CCP WTF did you do to make everyone stop doiong them???
Whole bunch of nulsec entities got upset that someone besides them was making money, and got them nerfed. How badly, I'll never know myself, but it went from a huge group thing that people did for the iskies if nothing else to people playing their solo thing again, like before the incursions were implemented. Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1116
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:40:00 -
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Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments. You should get in on it if it's such a low investment |

Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:42:00 -
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Incursions were mostly done by RMTers, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these guys are back botting hisec missions. |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1253
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Posted - 2012.06.08 05:46:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done by RMTers, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these guys are back botting hisec missions. Not sure if srs or... |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1005
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:00:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done by RMTers, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these guys are back botting hisec missions. Not sure if srs or... Yeah, I actually thought there were always tons of L4 botters in highsec... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
474
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:01:00 -
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Easy ISK faucet was removed, j4g went back to L4s in highsec for their comfy, risk-free, mind-numbingly boring isk generation. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
223
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:09:00 -
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CCP killed the NULL/LO sec Incursion communties right off the bat wih thier efed up nerf. Hi SEC communites are decimated to the point I doubt they will not be viable soon. DEV's responce was maybe we went to far some lip service at first then when no one procalimed thier awesomeness just clamded up and the silence is deafening
Unintended Bug Working as IntendedGäó |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1194
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:19:00 -
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I suppose all those "we do it for the group content added value" excuses where just that: excuses. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
32
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:25:00 -
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i think they went to far really, all they had to do to balance incursions really was nerf the isk payout from all vg's and maybe get rid of the NCN or at least cruiser only/BS only gate requirements in assaults. HQ's werent insanely hard but they still took time, upwards of 30mins for a 30m payout, 1m per minute. With eternal hulkageddon raging im almost mining 1m per minute worth of crappy pyroxeres.
I suppose adding random spawns would help but not having them set to "MUST KILL for payment". Simple solution to prevent them just being tanked all the time is to have random spawns include possible scrammer ships and stuff, endless options that didnt involved deleting incursions and recoding them from the floor up.
VG's was where most of the stupid isk/hr rates and the flood of LP came from. If you ever looked through the lists of top 10 LP winners NONE of them were the guys who routinely flew Assaults/HQ's. I flew assaults/HQ's for about 4 months or something, made about 1.2m LP. The VG spammers were always making 600k+ per incursion spawn. Dont break me break VG's... |

ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
105
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:53:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Nerfed past the point where anyone wanted to do them for isk anymore. CCP in a nutshell.
You are either meta-trolling at a level I do not understand or a J4G |

Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2012.06.08 06:57:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I suppose all those "we do it for the group content added value" excuses where just that: excuses. No the "Incursion Community" really believed that line with all their being.
Honest.
If you don't have a Mach though, please don't bother. They're doing group content added value here. |

Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
111
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:06:00 -
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The Incursion Community couldnt stand any longer DarthNefarius within their ranks, so they moved into WHs and over to the WH forum asking stupid questions and getting angry when you tell them WHs need .:effort:. |

Mallak Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
175
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:24:00 -
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Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Girel wrote:Ok is it just me our is absolutely no one doing Incursions right now?? The has been a Incursions in the next system to me for almost 3 days now and no one seems Interested in doing them anymore..... I remember before I left due to RL issues People used to do them left and right but now no ones even touching them now... CCP WTF did you do to make everyone stop doiong them??? Whole bunch of nulsec entities got upset that someone besides them was making money, and got them nerfed. How badly, I'll never know myself, but it went from a huge group thing that people did for the iskies if nothing else to people playing their solo thing again, like before the incursions were implemented. Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments.
You've obviously never had to scan moons & maintain many towers at once. |

Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
526
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Posted - 2012.06.08 07:59:00 -
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Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. |

Nirnias Stirrum
Tr0pa de elite. Against ALL Authorities
188
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:02:00 -
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Incursions were fixed... thats what happened. |
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Alice Saki
Analog Folk SRS.
102
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:05:00 -
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They are sitting in the corner tears in their Eyes, Cause Easy mode was removed.
And I'm with them Licking their Face. Yum. http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
405
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Posted - 2012.06.08 08:51:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:You are either meta-trolling at a level I do not understand or a J4G
J4G spy, actually. SirMolle sends his regards. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1817
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:11:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Girel wrote:Ok is it just me our is absolutely no one doing Incursions right now?? The has been a Incursions in the next system to me for almost 3 days now and no one seems Interested in doing them anymore..... I remember before I left due to RL issues People used to do them left and right but now no ones even touching them now... CCP WTF did you do to make everyone stop doiong them??? Whole bunch of nulsec entities got upset that someone besides them was making money, and got them nerfed. How badly, I'll never know myself, but it went from a huge group thing that people did for the iskies if nothing else to people playing their solo thing again, like before the incursions were implemented. Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments. You've obviously never had to scan moons & maintain many towers at once.
This is now a Tech Whine thread. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
574
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:19:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communications Liaisons
What the heck is this ??? The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1818
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:21:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communications Liaisons What the heck is this ???
ISDs are getting in on the trolling usually reserved for CCPs Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1008
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:25:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communications Liaisons What the heck is this ??? ISDs are getting in on the trolling usually reserved for CCPs I.. well this is interesting. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1254
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:37:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done by RMTers, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these guys are back botting hisec missions. Not sure if srs or... Yeah, I actually thought there were always tons of L4 botters in highsec... Not trolling but I seriously didn't know you could write bots for L4s. This IS news. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
1018
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Thorn Galen wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communications Liaisons What the heck is this ??? ISDs are getting in on the trolling usually reserved for CCPs I.. well this is interesting.
Since when is the claim that someone is an RMTer or botter a troll?
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
133
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Posted - 2012.06.08 09:44:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:Nerfed past the point where anyone wanted to do them for isk anymore. CCP in a nutshell.
Well balance a-la-CCP is more like introducing useless and broken features, brake efficient and practical ones, nerf ships that work properly, nerf nerf nerf because that makes a few junky nerds happy and still solving absolutely nothing, revamp FW but still leave NPC exploit/bugs, anoms npc bugs still not completely repaired and yada yada.
Then incursion nerf because their logic about isk in the game is about the same for balance. This is why you're playing an Eve that actual is only pleasing to no brainers loving shoot stuff that can't shoot back.
Bravo, awesome stuff. /clap
brb |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1818
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:21:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done by RMTers, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these guys are back botting hisec missions. Not sure if srs or... Yeah, I actually thought there were always tons of L4 botters in highsec... Not trolling but I seriously didn't know you could write bots for L4s. This IS news.
From what I understand, there are even bots that operate in WH space, doing sleeper sites.
L4s and Anoms have had well known bots for -longtimes-
Wouldn't be all that surprised if there were Incursion bots. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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Lipbite
Express Hauler
62
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Posted - 2012.06.08 10:58:00 -
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CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1026
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:19:00 -
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Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communications Liaisons
I approve of this visible moderation
:D
Much better than a ninja post deletion My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1820
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:29:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates.
So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

saltrock0000
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:33:00 -
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CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frenkly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1820
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:46:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed
How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
8
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Posted - 2012.06.08 11:59:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed
Incursion "community we-do-it-for-the-group-content" player spotted.
AFAIK CCP the ISK payouts rather than the gameplay itself. Since you have so much ISK, why, you could just play it for the community content, amirite? How would ISK payout nerfs affect you? I mean, surely you're not doing it for the ISK?!? |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
560
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:05:00 -
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Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Whole bunch of nulsec entities got upset that someone besides them was making money, and got them nerfed. How badly, I'll never know myself, but it went from a huge group thing that people did for the iskies if nothing else to people playing their solo thing again, like before the incursions were implemented. Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments.
Look at all the nullsec comunities fleeing nullsec in doves a year ago when anomalies were nerfed to below level 4 mission income.
Oh, wait, we're not in it only for the money. |

saltrock0000
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:06:00 -
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lollerwaffle wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed Incursion "community we-do-it-for-the-group-content" player spotted.
Not at all, afterall who does anything on this game for "the group" of people you dont actualy know. Null alliances arnt about the group. They are about each individual player out for himself, jsut so happens the only safe way is to be in a large group. Alliance leaders/corp CEO's dont put in so much effort for "the community/group" its to fill thier wallets.
Once flying with BoB I lost a curse in a small home defence fleet, docked got into a ship with salvager and some cargo hold to go scoop my wreck, and within the time it litteraly took me to dock adn reship, someone had not only looted but salvaged the wreck. Example - not group but self interests.
Eve is a game where everyone is out for themselfs, and yes they lie steal and fraudulently get what they want. Incursions were not the exception, but they forced and promoted teamplay.
Incursions whilst filling peoples wallets, created communitys FACT. Created content accessable to everyone and encouraged team play FACT. Did they make decent ISK yes of course, because like I stated before, who does anything not for the ISK (PVE related) |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
7772
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:14:00 -
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The Gǣno, don't reduce the ISK in incursions because we're not doing it for the ISK anywayGǥ crowd got called on their (very poor) bluff, and as it turned out, they were doing it for the ISKGǪ
saltrock0000 wrote:Incursions whilst filling peoples wallets, created communitys FACT. If that's a fact, then either the community created was very very tiny, or people would still be doing them.
Quote:who does anything not for the ISK (PVE related) Those who do it because it's fun and those who do it for the community (and those who do it to relax, andGǪ). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Carton Mantory
Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities
15
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:22:00 -
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The issue is rather simple.
Isk is the most important part of the game to all of players. Why play EVE if your not blowing up someones isk or you are making it.
You mess with isk and you change the game.
CCP should not listen to the players on the forum or some player CSM or at their annual event.
The game is just a game and CCP are in it for making real Isk .
The original idea of EVE was to have fun. If everyone could fly around in titans who cares. If the only purpose is to restrict players making isk that breaks EVE. EVE should never of been where you played or with whom you played. It was an idea of playing with others that liked the game. EVE is solo game again and makes me sad. |
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Arcan Winter
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:36:00 -
[41] - Quote
Easy, I hit summer break mode.... Well, keep training queues updated as long as account is active, beside that moved 95% of PC activities to RL summer related activities. Summer time is to good to spend with a PC game.....
So after all, thanx CCP for changing incursion to such degree that almost no one run them. Have saved me lot of time:) the question is, will I return after the summer and its getting dark again and the game time have run out... |

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
75
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:46:00 -
[42] - Quote
Who cares where they went.
plex price is dropping, thats all that matters |

Syndrea Caedrion
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.06.08 12:56:00 -
[43] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Syndrea Caedrion wrote:Girel wrote:Ok is it just me our is absolutely no one doing Incursions right now?? The has been a Incursions in the next system to me for almost 3 days now and no one seems Interested in doing them anymore..... I remember before I left due to RL issues People used to do them left and right but now no ones even touching them now... CCP WTF did you do to make everyone stop doiong them??? Whole bunch of nulsec entities got upset that someone besides them was making money, and got them nerfed. How badly, I'll never know myself, but it went from a huge group thing that people did for the iskies if nothing else to people playing their solo thing again, like before the incursions were implemented. Unfortunately, I am sure that CCP isn't even close to finished to ******* with hisec players in favor of those who make stupid amounts of money for relatively low investments. You've obviously never had to scan moons & maintain many towers at once.
Not by myself. I wager that neither has any nulsec entity either, they only have more people in their "army" than many third world nations.
Really, try not to perpetuate the bullshit cycle that has sway over the minds of the devs of this game. It's obvious that no one in CCP actually plays their game anymore, otherwise the nerfs would go in a far different manner. |

Girel
COF Security Holdings COF Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.06.08 13:19:00 -
[44] - Quote
I was Just curious as to what happened to them... I used to enjoy the having to form fleets with other players to do them and having my guardian on the field repairing ships and keeping the fleet alive while the others Blasted everything. Idk I just liked the Group environment that was part of them.... There had to be more than just People complaining about making more isk then people in Nullsec but whatever guess I will find another use for my Guardian. |

Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
74
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:48:00 -
[45] - Quote
Ya Huei wrote:Who cares where they went.
plex price is dropping, thats all that matters agree, plex dropping, screw all incursion runners |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1387
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Posted - 2012.06.08 15:49:00 -
[46] - Quote
they gave it up because zombies drop beans and ammo and that's much more fun than isk and LP The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
101
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:15:00 -
[47] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK?
How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK? |

Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:16:00 -
[48] - Quote
Zyress wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK? At the highest level of gameplay PVP is for the ISK, too.
True story. |

Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
101
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:27:00 -
[49] - Quote
I've always enjoyed flying solo anyway, even when I was in alliances and corporations with other people the only time I flew with them was mining ops and the ocassional Pvp roam, so I never actually did an incursion. I could care less if they were in the game, but it does seem that the Nullbears were the ones pushing for the nerf, so if you want to blame someone, there's your pointer. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1831
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Posted - 2012.06.08 17:50:00 -
[50] - Quote
Zyress wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK?
Supercap SD Timer games Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
223
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:00:00 -
[51] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red.
lol that is risk yet you call Incursion running which actually has ship loss riskless? lololololo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc&feature=related CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |

Disregard That
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:05:00 -
[52] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:RubyPorto wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red. lol that is risk yet you call Incursion running which actually has ship loss riskless? lololololo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc&feature=related Riskless?
Not quite.
Nearly riskless and out-of-balance with the risk/reward schedules found throughout the rest of the game?
Hell yes. |

Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
213
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:08:00 -
[53] - Quote
The nerf monster came and ate all the incursion runners. |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
158
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
CCP introduces new gameplay....
People cry about new gameplay....
CCP overreacts and nerfs gameplay to the point of being worthless.....
This pretty much sums of CCP's handling of any additions to the game.

Never did an Incursion, never felt the need to check it out, but also didn't care that other people were making isk at it. there are plenty of ways to make easy Isk in this game. If people want to complain about easy Isk making, perhaps there is a more appropriate target...... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1831
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:43:00 -
[55] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:RubyPorto wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:CCP over nerfed them, Now speaking as someone with enough ISK to fund all my accounts for over 3 years, i certainly dont have a reason/the urge to actualy even log onto the game anymore.
It is funny, CCP have totaly killed incursions. So i guess in thier eyes it was prohibited. Yet SCAMMING, stealing all 0 risk HIGH reward and quite frankly wrong and bannable in other games, is A OK to CCP. Seems very odd, very odd indeed How are scamming and theft 0 risk activities? You spend quite a lot of time on each scam/heist with no guarantee of a worthwhile payoff. That's called risk. Most larger scams also run some risk of going into the red. lol that is risk yet you call Incursion running which actually has ship loss riskless? lololololo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqC5FnvAEc&feature=related
I've flown in quite a few Incursion fleets. The only possible reason for people losing ships in VGs (which were the broken part) is absolute, miserable failure on both the FC and the Logi pilots part.
That's not risk inherent to the activity, it's risk caused by pilot error/idiocy. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
71
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:48:00 -
[56] - Quote
That's one way to think of it.
Though if an activity is designed to be done in a group, I'd say the other players being poor at their role is part of the assumed risk. I wouldn't want to run a PUG in EVE. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
64
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:49:00 -
[57] - Quote
They got fixed,people that wanted idk to drop on them en masses left,people that wanted to blitz while alt tab left,and people that can cope with the change stayed people are coming back its just better to go nullbear again so people do what require the least effort possible for maximal gain...incursions are not one of em any more...
Still nice just require effort,logistic and realization that it won't gonna rain isk again,without effort. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1831
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Posted - 2012.06.08 18:50:00 -
[58] - Quote
Makkal Hanaya wrote:That's one way to think of it.
Though if an activity is designed to be done in a group, I'd say the other players being poor at their role is part of the assumed risk. I wouldn't want to run a PUG in EVE.
It's a risk that only existed in the scrub pickup fleets. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |

Fatbottom Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:22:00 -
[59] - Quote
The community of:
*posts faction/deadspace fit BS* LFSF
was hit by CCP (wrecking shot) |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
72
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:25:00 -
[60] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:That's one way to think of it.
Though if an activity is designed to be done in a group, I'd say the other players being poor at their role is part of the assumed risk. I wouldn't want to run a PUG in EVE. It's a risk that only existed in the scrub pickup fleets. You're probably right. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1222
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:27:00 -
[61] - Quote
Disregard That wrote:Zyress wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Lipbite wrote:CCP killed the only group-oriented PvE content in hi-sec which was like 1/3 of past expansion + greatly devalued their own game for majority of their customer (a.k.a "hisec-ers, we are 75%"). So most people just returned to their pre-incursion activities + probably some of them now farming easy FW LPs in gun-less frigates. So, you're saying people weren't doing it for the groups, they were only doing it for the ISK? How many things that are done in the game besides PvP aren't for ISK? At the highest level of gameplay PVP is for the ISK, too. True story.
Also, trading is PvP and it's indeed done for the ISK. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Apolyon I
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
75
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:36:00 -
[62] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:CCP introduces new gameplay.... People cry about new gameplay.... CCP overreacts and nerfs gameplay to the point of being worthless..... This pretty much sums of CCP's handling of any additions to the game.
 Never did an Incursion, never felt the need to check it out, but also didn't care that other people were making isk at it. there are plenty of ways to make easy Isk in this game. If people want to complain about easy Isk making, perhaps there is a more appropriate target...... CCP did what they had to do, shutoff easy isk fountain.
people do enjoy incursion still do them, only lazy, risk-adverse carebears leave
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
169
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:39:00 -
[63] - Quote
Fountain of isk dried. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
224
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Posted - 2012.06.08 19:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:CCP introduces new gameplay.... People cry about new gameplay.... CCP overreacts and nerfs gameplay to the point of being worthless..... This pretty much sums of CCP's handling of any additions to the game.
 ......
Pretty much sounds like it. I'm surprised W-Space survived the beating it must have taken from the entrenched NULL SECcers whines. I guess the combined whines of NULL & WHolers was too much. CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
720
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Posted - 2012.06.08 21:04:00 -
[65] - Quote
We never cared about WH's, risk/reward was clearly in balance. Incursions still need to be nerfed more. Cut payouts by 50% for all ships worth more than 10m. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1011
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:28:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:Fountain of isk dried. Now looking for Wells of ISK Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
39
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Posted - 2012.06.09 04:39:00 -
[67] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:We never cared about WH's, risk/reward was clearly in balance.
Agreed.
It seems pretty well accepted that the average wormhole shmoe takes more risk and puts in more effort to get his greater reward over his nullsec counterpart. Unsurprisingly, almost everyone has been happy to leave that little slice of Eve known as wormholes as is because it has generally been an astounding success in terms of adding well-balanced diversity to the game.
I will also confidently add that nullsec players have generally supported substantial buffs to lowsec income and content, as we recognize a blatantly broken and neglected gameplay element and swathe of community.
That same respect and consideration, however, has never been extended to the obviously broken and imbalanced incursion content.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
640
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:23:00 -
[68] - Quote
As it turns out about 90% of the people running incursions were doing it just because it was the thing that got the most possible isk per hour. Not because they actually enjoyed the content, or liked meeting new people, or had a solid group of friends that they liked to do PVE content with.
They were carebears, the only important thing to them is the number in their wallet, actual interaction with other human beings is irrelevant to them so they quit.
The people you'll find running incursions now are the few people left who were actually doing them because they liked them for reasons beyond the quantity of income they generated. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
909
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Posted - 2012.06.09 06:26:00 -
[69] - Quote
the solution was to make them exclusive to lowsec
problem solved eh |

Trollin
72
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Posted - 2012.06.09 16:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only.
Nothing quite like greed to build and hold groups of individuals together
they are individuals afterall... . |
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COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
89
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:15:00 -
[71] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:As it turns out about 90% of the people running incursions were doing it just because it was the thing that got the most possible isk per hour. Not because they actually enjoyed the content, or liked meeting new people, or had a solid group of friends that they liked to do PVE content with.
They were carebears, the only important thing to them is the number in their wallet, actual interaction with other human beings is irrelevant to them so they quit.
The people you'll find running incursions now are the few people left who were actually doing them because they liked them for reasons beyond the quantity of income they generated.
Mostly left because the income and the bothersome issue of moving ships from point A to point B each time was more bothersome than actually rewarding. Add to that that few people actually play and have a life outside game that makes it that they cannot engage more than few hours of gameplay
Add to that when making fleets (HQ/AS) takes ages and not to forgive that if someone leaves the whole fleet just stands at a planet doing nothing but linking fukung images in fleet. And VG running sites then having someone leave and again standing at a planet doing nothing. Making the influence bar being high all the time etc etc.
HQ/AS never needed nerf, only thing they needed to do was random spawns and less payout more LP for VG and not having to kill EVERYTHING on a site.
Only real payout issue with incursions was the Legion fleets or the Nightmare fleets running OTA/NCO that had massive income per hour.
Scout sites need boost since tthey give less payout than ratting in feaking highsec.
Also funny fact that another fleet stealing sites from another fleet is not a given risk is quite funny for me. ___________________ I left incursion few days ago since I did not feel like it was something interesting anymore. There is to little people running this nowdays that having a fleet is bothersome and FCing even more. Also logging in each time and notice that next incursion is 30j away and have to move 3 ships to next site is well bothersome. Found that running Missions in highsec with friends was better than looking for people in broken or dead communities.
Not saying that it did not need any balancing but saying that this nerf was a good one just screams ignorant to me that did not do his homework and screams NERF being the sheep he is.
Balancing was needed but again CCP like always doing it wrong. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |

COMM4NDER
Umbrella Holding Inc Umbrella Chemical Inc
89
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Posted - 2012.06.09 17:17:00 -
[72] - Quote
doublepost.. Features & Ideas Tag shortcuts - Make an FC enjoy his position more! Overview - Show fleet members only! |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
238
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Posted - 2012.06.12 22:58:00 -
[73] - Quote
Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them. The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |

ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.06.12 23:11:00 -
[74] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them.
I thought you quit already.
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Disdaine
406
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Posted - 2012.06.13 01:33:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP rolling something back....
Couldn't possibly mean anything.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72880 |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1874
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Posted - 2012.06.13 01:57:00 -
[76] - Quote
That they're missing the point? They needed to buff Assaults and HQs, not re-buff VGs. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1497
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Posted - 2012.06.13 02:00:00 -
[77] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them.
OTAs went from being too easy to dangerous. People avoid them because poorly tanked ships can't be rescued by hero logistics, and when ships blow up people panic and blame the logistics, and the logistics don't like being the whipping boy. So the logistics quit, so none has fleets anymore.
CCP needs to learn the art of driving a tack with a tack hammer, rather than hitting everything with their 500lb hammer of doom. Any PvPer knows that even a 1% improvement in performance is enough to change the outcome of a fight. OTAs were buffed by about 20%: full waves have to be killed, there are more ships in each wave, and those ships are more dangerous. The Vanguard income nerf was well deserved, but the simultaneous buffing of vanguard sites along with increasing Sansha influence gains was heavy-handed.
In the meantime, staging sites are still left alone because they are of no interest to anyone.
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Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria T A B O O
33
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Posted - 2012.06.13 04:29:00 -
[78] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:the solution was to make them exclusive to lowsec
problem solved Goons idea screwed them in the first place. Why to listen to them AGAIN, just to screw it again? Makes some sence though, since goons declared war to ccp, so you are making stupid proposals in order to bring it down. But it seems like if ccp is stupid enought to listen to you for the first time, at least switch back some time later. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
948
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Posted - 2012.06.13 04:32:00 -
[79] - Quote
Kreeia Dgore wrote:Goons idea screwed them in the first place. Why to listen to them AGAIN, just to screw it again? Makes some sence though, since goons declared war to ccp, so you are making stupid proposals in order to bring it down. But it seems like if ccp is stupid enought to listen to you for the first time, at least switch back some time later.
yeah somehow I don't think that eve losing a bunch of retired wow raiders would be bad eh |

Rukia Taika
Dueces Wyld Jokers Wild.
12
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Posted - 2012.06.13 04:57:00 -
[80] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them.
Dude. Seriously take a few steps back and remember to breath. I know you been talking alot about the incursion nerfing and bat beating it took and alot of the community disappeared due to said beating. and with the current Dev blog on incursions of the Roll back on things. you all can find the link for that not hard.
Darth Take a break relax enjoy the summer and most of all...have fun
Peace |
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Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2012.06.13 05:06:00 -
[81] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve?
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1617
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Posted - 2012.06.13 05:28:00 -
[82] - Quote
Uinuva Karma wrote:Incursions were mostly done -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----, they are basically the only people who care about ISK/hr in a game.
Now these -----Edit-----ISD Tyrozan-----hisec missions.
Trolling is prohibited.
ISD Tyrozan Ensign Community Communications Liaisons
oh FFS CCP TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
239
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Posted - 2012.06.13 06:09:00 -
[83] - Quote
Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve?
lol but PvP aint about greed  The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |

Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2012.06.13 12:59:00 -
[84] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve? lol but PvP aint about greed  Rite, no one fights over tech moons. |

Lexmana
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
545
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Posted - 2012.06.13 13:11:00 -
[85] - Quote
Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve? You have never heard of Fweddit have you? |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
239
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:13:00 -
[86] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Voith wrote:Lexmana wrote:Looks like the 'communities' doing them were built on greed only. Like every other community in Eve? You have never heard of Fweddit have you?
What you trying to tell me Faction Warfare complexes are not being farmed like mad by Minmatar speed tanking 8 day old alts? These guys are making more ISK by selling LP's hand over foot then the Incursion runners were at thier height!  The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |

Mutnin
SQUIDS.
231
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Posted - 2012.06.13 19:47:00 -
[87] - Quote
Sanshas kidnapped them all and made them mindless drones farming Faction Warfare plexes. |

Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
317
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:22:00 -
[88] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:Kreeia Dgore wrote:Goons idea screwed them in the first place. Why to listen to them AGAIN, just to screw it again? Makes some sence though, since goons declared war to ccp, so you are making stupid proposals in order to bring it down. But it seems like if ccp is stupid enought to listen to you for the first time, at least switch back some time later. yeah somehow I don't think that eve losing a bunch of retired wow raiders would be bad
Mission runners are bad and need to be removed from the game Players who were looking forward to a (full) incarna are bad and must be griefed until they leave. High end ore in WH is bad needs to be removed Incursion runners are bad and need to go/nerfed. High sec miners are bad for the game and need to be removed
Congratulations, on your campaign, you are really successful in removing all of them, but what you might not realise is, that a possible result is a slow death of the game.
I am certain you or your glorious leaders have some plans on how to ruin the fun of Dust players. If Dust also fails, like a lot of CCP projects in the past then the company is a very bad position and that would certainly affect the future of EVE.
....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced. |

Obsidian Dagger
Nitrus Nine
75
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Posted - 2012.06.13 20:27:00 -
[89] - Quote
CCP has seen common sense and is reversing most of the incursion nerf apparantly. SO yay that.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72880 <- sauce
I might even be able to join in the fun again soon! |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
243
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:43:00 -
[90] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:As it turns out about 90% of the people running incursions were doing it just because it was the thing that got the most possible isk per hour. Not because they actually enjoyed the content, or liked meeting new people, or had a solid group of friends that they liked to do PVE content with.
They were carebears, the only important thing to them is the number in their wallet, actual interaction with other human beings is irrelevant to them so they quit.
The people you'll find running incursions now are the few people left who were actually doing them because they liked them for reasons beyond the quantity of income they generated.
90% while CCP Soundwave or others refuse to disclose thenumbers even I doubt that many left the HI SEC incursions. Thenumbers that left NULL and lo SEC incursions though are probably between 95-100% You are calling the peeps tha twere doing the LO SEC Incursions carebears? The day that CCP 'fixes' stop sucking is the day they start fixing vaccum cleaners |
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