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Shayden
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Posted - 2004.10.26 11:10:00 -
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I was just wondering if anyone can explain the reason why that the covert ops ships are that slow, and are that poor to keep a mwd going. Perhaps its not meant for flying high speeds just sit and scout cloaked. But im liking my buzzard so much that i cant help wondering why ccp made them a bit slow.
Any non covert ops users can comment this, but i'd like to hear experiences from other covert ops pilots.
Should they get an increase in speed?
Or should the Cap management be balance a bit more?
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Shayden
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Posted - 2004.10.26 11:10:00 -
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I was just wondering if anyone can explain the reason why that the covert ops ships are that slow, and are that poor to keep a mwd going. Perhaps its not meant for flying high speeds just sit and scout cloaked. But im liking my buzzard so much that i cant help wondering why ccp made them a bit slow.
Any non covert ops users can comment this, but i'd like to hear experiences from other covert ops pilots.
Should they get an increase in speed?
Or should the Cap management be balance a bit more?
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.10.26 11:59:00 -
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well, it's not the cap that bashes the mwd use, it's the cloak that doesn't allow it.
Well, I just fill it with overdrives or stabs and I'm off...
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2004.10.26 11:59:00 -
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well, it's not the cap that bashes the mwd use, it's the cloak that doesn't allow it.
Well, I just fill it with overdrives or stabs and I'm off...
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Yseult Atreus
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Posted - 2004.10.26 14:30:00 -
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340m/s not really that slow. As for the mwd, stick a cap booster on.
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Yseult Atreus
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Posted - 2004.10.26 14:30:00 -
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340m/s not really that slow. As for the mwd, stick a cap booster on.
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Minyon
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Posted - 2004.10.26 15:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Yseult Atreus
340m/s not really that slow. As for the mwd, stick a cap booster on.
Covert ops ships have very high masses just like Assault Frigates do about 2m kgs so thay will be slow whit a mwd on 
i was thinking of geting a buzzard and useing it as an ecm jamming ship for killing battle ships (yes i know you all think its a bad idea) but if it can go over 2km/s it will just get killed very fast  So could you please tell me how fast you can get it to go whit a mwd?
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Minyon
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Posted - 2004.10.26 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Yseult Atreus
340m/s not really that slow. As for the mwd, stick a cap booster on.
Covert ops ships have very high masses just like Assault Frigates do about 2m kgs so thay will be slow whit a mwd on
i was thinking of geting a buzzard and useing it as an ecm jamming ship for killing battle ships (yes i know you all think its a bad idea) but if it can go over 2km/s it will just get killed very fast So could you please tell me how fast you can get it to go whit a mwd?
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.10.26 17:06:00 -
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My Cheetah has 505m/s base speed in my current setup. 2km/s with MWD.. no problem.
I terrible lag CPU though in that ship, with skill at lvl 4, so a Cheetah would need it at 5 to kit any senseable medslot outfit.
Combat in a CovertOps is just a bit expensive on the long run imo, so i didn¦t bother thinking about it so far. At least not before finishing Cov Ops Frig skill level 5.
I think Buzzard has more CPU spare and more med slots, so you could actually fit something useful in it. Still the shields, armor, structure and resistances of a CovOps don¦t make me really wanting to bring that $$ ship anything near that has teeth.
For cloak combat purpose i would suggest using a Crow. Cloak, 3 Launchers, 10MN AB, Web, Scrambler, etc do the trick better on the offense side.
For the cap issue. I think it¦s in need of a slight increasement. I have all cap skills at 5, and i have problems jumping from one gate to another in every 3rd sector.
That¦s why i have 1 MWD and only caprechargers in medslots atm 
Not to speak of using MWD and EW at the same time 
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Mimo
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Posted - 2004.10.26 17:06:00 -
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My Cheetah has 505m/s base speed in my current setup. 2km/s with MWD.. no problem.
I terrible lag CPU though in that ship, with skill at lvl 4, so a Cheetah would need it at 5 to kit any senseable medslot outfit.
Combat in a CovertOps is just a bit expensive on the long run imo, so i didn¦t bother thinking about it so far. At least not before finishing Cov Ops Frig skill level 5.
I think Buzzard has more CPU spare and more med slots, so you could actually fit something useful in it. Still the shields, armor, structure and resistances of a CovOps don¦t make me really wanting to bring that $$ ship anything near that has teeth.
For cloak combat purpose i would suggest using a Crow. Cloak, 3 Launchers, 10MN AB, Web, Scrambler, etc do the trick better on the offense side.
For the cap issue. I think it¦s in need of a slight increasement. I have all cap skills at 5, and i have problems jumping from one gate to another in every 3rd sector.
That¦s why i have 1 MWD and only caprechargers in medslots atm
Not to speak of using MWD and EW at the same time
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.10.26 17:34:00 -
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I have a cheetah and it is ok on speed. But its impossible to come up with a setup that is both fast and has decent weapons on it. I think ccp intended to have them as scout ships only and didn't want them to be able to compete with other frigs in PvP.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.10.26 17:34:00 -
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I have a cheetah and it is ok on speed. But its impossible to come up with a setup that is both fast and has decent weapons on it. I think ccp intended to have them as scout ships only and didn't want them to be able to compete with other frigs in PvP.
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Shayden
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Posted - 2004.10.27 07:30:00 -
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The Cheetah of course is based on the vigil hull. One of the fastest frigates. With one mwd i get my buzzard up to 1300m/s....
Its not bad if you fit launchers with defenders but i still think the speed should be around 1500m/s. And thats only a small increase in base speed. Oh well *crosses fingers*
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Shayden
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Posted - 2004.10.27 07:30:00 -
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The Cheetah of course is based on the vigil hull. One of the fastest frigates. With one mwd i get my buzzard up to 1300m/s....
Its not bad if you fit launchers with defenders but i still think the speed should be around 1500m/s. And thats only a small increase in base speed. Oh well *crosses fingers*
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.10.27 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
I have a cheetah and it is ok on speed. But its impossible to come up with a setup that is both fast and has decent weapons on it. I think ccp intended to have them as scout ships only and didn't want them to be able to compete with other frigs in PvP.
you would think for 120mill frig they would throw us a bone and at least let us stay cloaked while we jump! 
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.10.27 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
I have a cheetah and it is ok on speed. But its impossible to come up with a setup that is both fast and has decent weapons on it. I think ccp intended to have them as scout ships only and didn't want them to be able to compete with other frigs in PvP.
you would think for 120mill frig they would throw us a bone and at least let us stay cloaked while we jump!
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Steevodeevo
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:18:00 -
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It would help if we could go into jump without decloaking first. Trying to autopilot thru a jump with cloak on is usually the last mistake you make when an enemy is around...
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Steevodeevo
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:18:00 -
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It would help if we could go into jump without decloaking first. Trying to autopilot thru a jump with cloak on is usually the last mistake you make when an enemy is around...
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:56:00 -
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Well i agree with most of what is said above. I must say though that i cant see these ships ever being combat ships or active support ships in a larger battle. They are just too weak IMO.
I think the entire class is in need of a bit of a sweetner though as they are tricky to use effectively.
The speed is poor when you consider that you cant use speed boosters while cloaked and the cap is too small, and even a 13.5au/sec warp does not realy make up for this. I have found myself running out of cap on long warps which as a character with over 16 mill SP i thought was something i would not see again.
As for the cloaked jumping - thats got to be an oversight. It is imposible to fly the ship cloaked on autopilot without you keep hitting stop at both sides of the gate, so i end up flying the ship everwhere manually, which works better, but why should this ship suffer this particular problem ?
I must finally add though that these ships do have real advantages especialy in long term fleet combat that make them an absolutely necessairy addition to any fleet 
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:56:00 -
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Well i agree with most of what is said above. I must say though that i cant see these ships ever being combat ships or active support ships in a larger battle. They are just too weak IMO.
I think the entire class is in need of a bit of a sweetner though as they are tricky to use effectively.
The speed is poor when you consider that you cant use speed boosters while cloaked and the cap is too small, and even a 13.5au/sec warp does not realy make up for this. I have found myself running out of cap on long warps which as a character with over 16 mill SP i thought was something i would not see again.
As for the cloaked jumping - thats got to be an oversight. It is imposible to fly the ship cloaked on autopilot without you keep hitting stop at both sides of the gate, so i end up flying the ship everwhere manually, which works better, but why should this ship suffer this particular problem ?
I must finally add though that these ships do have real advantages especialy in long term fleet combat that make them an absolutely necessairy addition to any fleet
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.10.27 11:53:00 -
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Anyone fitting a MWD to a Covert Ops frig and expecting to be able to fight with it is missing the point. You can't use the MWD while cloaked, so you might as well go buy a Stiletto if you want the speed and save about 90% of the cost.
Originally by: Hakera
you would think for 120mill frig they would throw us a bone and at least let us stay cloaked while we jump!
Agreed.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.10.27 11:53:00 -
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Anyone fitting a MWD to a Covert Ops frig and expecting to be able to fight with it is missing the point. You can't use the MWD while cloaked, so you might as well go buy a Stiletto if you want the speed and save about 90% of the cost.
Originally by: Hakera
you would think for 120mill frig they would throw us a bone and at least let us stay cloaked while we jump!
Agreed.
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Shayden
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Posted - 2004.10.27 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sphalerite
Anyone fitting a MWD to a Covert Ops frig and expecting to be able to fight with it is missing the point. You can't use the MWD while cloaked, so you might as well go buy a Stiletto if you want the speed and save about 90% of the cost.
Erm dude... what youre saying is that you fight cloaked? you dont make much sense.
But i agree with the other posts about the ability to stay cloaked when jumping. The thing about the ships is that they work great in the role of spying and to gain information. But i think that the ships should not be limited to that only. Heck a frigate with the cheapest cloaking device can do the same AND work as an active part in the fleet battle.
I think ccp should look at the cap problem of the ships, because they really dont have any. Why should you not be able to fit a mwd and have it holding on these ships? Why?
Its called ELITE FRIGATE isnt it? 
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Shayden
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Posted - 2004.10.27 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sphalerite
Anyone fitting a MWD to a Covert Ops frig and expecting to be able to fight with it is missing the point. You can't use the MWD while cloaked, so you might as well go buy a Stiletto if you want the speed and save about 90% of the cost.
Erm dude... what youre saying is that you fight cloaked? you dont make much sense.
But i agree with the other posts about the ability to stay cloaked when jumping. The thing about the ships is that they work great in the role of spying and to gain information. But i think that the ships should not be limited to that only. Heck a frigate with the cheapest cloaking device can do the same AND work as an active part in the fleet battle.
I think ccp should look at the cap problem of the ships, because they really dont have any. Why should you not be able to fit a mwd and have it holding on these ships? Why?
Its called ELITE FRIGATE isnt it?
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Akallabeth Avaria
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Posted - 2004.10.27 13:02:00 -
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Yeah, i use a dual mwd setup while im travelling, and only use the cloak when i need! Anyone seen the covert ops ship description?
"Designed for commando and espionage operation, its main strength is the ability to travel unseen through enemy territory and to avoid unfavorable encounters."
Why cant these ships use a passive targetter and a ship scanner while cloaked?`Then they truely would be espionage ships!
"Stay out of the road if you wanna grow old"
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Akallabeth Avaria
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Posted - 2004.10.27 13:02:00 -
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Yeah, i use a dual mwd setup while im travelling, and only use the cloak when i need! Anyone seen the covert ops ship description?
"Designed for commando and espionage operation, its main strength is the ability to travel unseen through enemy territory and to avoid unfavorable encounters."
Why cant these ships use a passive targetter and a ship scanner while cloaked?`Then they truely would be espionage ships!
"Stay out of the road if you wanna grow old"
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2004.10.29 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shayden
Heck a frigate with the cheapest cloaking device can do the same AND work as an active part in the fleet battle.
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Gosh - Yeah - i think this statement realy highlights the current problem with covert ops perfectly. Why spend 60-70 mill when you can do the same for 5 mill. I had never thought of it like that b4
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2004.10.29 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shayden
Heck a frigate with the cheapest cloaking device can do the same AND work as an active part in the fleet battle.
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Gosh - Yeah - i think this statement realy highlights the current problem with covert ops perfectly. Why spend 60-70 mill when you can do the same for 5 mill. I had never thought of it like that b4
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2004.10.30 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akallabeth Avaria
Why cant these ships use a passive targetter and a ship scanner while cloaked?`Then they truely would be espionage ships!
Yeh I suggested this a while back also, would make the ship scanner module useful at last.
Its a real shame that the cov ops ship is so slow, its ment to be a scout but whenever I get asked to go scout ahead of the fleet I get there long after the intis and only just before the BS. They should definatly have a much higher base speed. The high warp speed really isnt that useful as most jumps arnt long enough to make it up to full warp speed.
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2004.10.30 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akallabeth Avaria
Why cant these ships use a passive targetter and a ship scanner while cloaked?`Then they truely would be espionage ships!
Yeh I suggested this a while back also, would make the ship scanner module useful at last.
Its a real shame that the cov ops ship is so slow, its ment to be a scout but whenever I get asked to go scout ahead of the fleet I get there long after the intis and only just before the BS. They should definatly have a much higher base speed. The high warp speed really isnt that useful as most jumps arnt long enough to make it up to full warp speed.
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