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xxxak
Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:10:00 -
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Is the Bellicose an underrated ship for 10-30 man gangs? It seems to me that a 7.5% TP bonus on a cruiser V pilot would do a lot as far as increasing DPS vs anything smaller than a BS. Yes, no? Flames?
The Huginn/Rapier are too expensive to justify using them as a TP platform, I think....
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:55:00 -
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A TP is barley helping any gang.
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xxxak
Caldari No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.10.04 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos A TP is barley helping any gang.
Wanna.. like.. elaborate on that?
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Bibbleibble
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Posted - 2009.10.04 20:21:00 -
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If I remember correctly, the Bellicose is actually somewhere in between the Stabber and the Rupture, balancing speed and damage. It's faster than a rupture, and does more damage than a stabber.
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Lunewraith
Amarr Blue Republic
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Posted - 2009.10.04 23:22:00 -
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Wouldn't a Vigil be better if just for the TP bonus? Faster, far more agile=better at keeping distance while providing bonuses. Great suicide tackler as well.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2009.10.04 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 04/10/2009 23:26:47 I got on KMs with a Scythe. Ill mine the **** out of you.
Edit: in retrospect that sounds very kinky.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2009.10.04 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lunewraith Wouldn't a Vigil be better if just for the TP bonus? Faster, far more agile=better at keeping distance while providing bonuses. Great suicide tackler as well.
This.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 00:05:00 -
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[Bellicose, New Setup 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Target Painter II Target Painter II
Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Civilian Gatling Autocannon, Civilian Autocannon Ammo Civilian Gatling Autocannon, Civilian Autocannon Ammo Civilian Gatling Autocannon, Civilian Autocannon Ammo
Medium Particle Dispersion Projector I Medium Particle Dispersion Projector I Medium Particle Dispersion Projector I
Bouncer II x1 Warrior II x3
horrible but.... hummmm i think i'm gonna fly one just for the lols - putting the gist back into logistics |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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Posted - 2009.10.05 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Typhado3 on 05/10/2009 00:20:34 not really no.
It needs a mwd to get in range so only 3 slots for painter, unless you decide you need a point or web. Also you very rarely need to focus fire a frigate when you have a fleet, usually a couple bc's/cruisers/warrior II's will deal with the frigates. You would be much better off in a hurricane, could easily deal with plenty of tacklers.
if you have cruiser 5 fly a rapier, since speed effects sig in tracking calculations a few webs will be far, far more effective than a few painters. The belliclose is supposed to be the cheap option for newer pilots to the minmatar line of ewar, yet it's most skill intensive cruiser we have.
It just really isn't very good in it's job of ewar support. best to use it as a half tackler/half dps/half ewar ship. In which case are the slight painter bonuses really worth the speed of the stabber or the tank/dps of the rupture?
also the whole point of minmatar ewar is to help kill small stuff, kinda pointless when webs/scrams do it much better and our only real weapon against small ships is long range slow tracking. tbh painters fit in more with caldari hell caldari even get a ship which has a useful painter bonus but i doubt ccp will go to the trouble of reworking minmatar. Last I heard ccp's opinion is that ewar is one of the areas minmatar perform porely in. ------------------------------
Just a crazy inventor ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2009.10.05 10:43:00 -
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I used to use one for mission salvaging on my alt, before I got my Hurricane. Also had a remote rep on it, for the extra tough missions.
That's about it really....
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kyrv
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Posted - 2009.10.05 10:50:00 -
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Thinking about a recent fight a target painter/webber combo would have helped combat some guardians.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2009.10.05 11:18:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 05/10/2009 11:20:30 The bellicose was kinda decent before the great nano nerf (not for target painting anyway), right now its rather broken and useless.
If you want to paint stuff, use a vigil, its cheaper and does the job better.
Actually, cant recall when the last time was I saw a bellicose, not even 3 week old noobs flying them these days it seems.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Beyond Virginity
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Posted - 2009.10.05 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos A TP is barley helping any gang.
You are very very wrong. Bellicose is an underrated ship, but not just because of the TP bonus. I'll give you a hit ... it has something to do with Dominion, 4 mid slots and AF's. :) --- I smack just for myself. Allow faction cap boosters to be traded via normal market ! |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.10.05 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib You are very very wrong. Bellicose is an underrated ship, but not just because of the TP bonus. I'll give you a hit ... it has something to do with Dominion, 4 mid slots and AF's. :)
I believe they are rethinking their thinly veiled Jaguar buff and are going back to the drawing board
The shield buffer/AC Bellicose is a nasty customer. Highly manoeuvrable, fast and with decent damage. Surprises the hell out of people because, well its a 'lolBelli' ain't it
When AFs get the revamp and start flooding space proper, TPs may just be module of preference for gangs. Almost same damage increase as a web but without the range restriction ..
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.05 14:16:00 -
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It's still pretty bad compared to a Rupture / Stabber unless you have a ton of Torp Ravens / SBs in your gang. _________________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |
Petra Katell
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.10.05 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Suas It's still pretty bad compared to a Rupture / Stabber unless you have a ton of Torp Ravens / SBs in your gang.
Confirming that TP's only affect missiles and don't at all help turret tracking
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Suas
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.10.05 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Petra Katell
Originally by: Suas It's still pretty bad compared to a Rupture / Stabber unless you have a ton of Torp Ravens / SBs in your gang.
Confirming that TP's only affect missiles and don't at all help turret tracking
Confirming you are a bit silly.
It's far more viable for Torp users as most targets should already be webbed / tackled (and if they aren't your gang is terrible), if turret users have no tracking issues then the TP does nothing for them. Whereas it will always (except vs BS that are already painted I suppose) increase torp damage.
Jeez, think for a second, won't you?
Stop trying to make up excuses for this ship. It's still not good and no competent FC would want you in one unless the TPs were really needed (Torps). _________________________
HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE! |
fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: fuxinos A TP is barley helping any gang.
You are very very wrong. Bellicose is an underrated ship, but not just because of the TP bonus. I'll give you a hit ... it has something to do with Dominion, 4 mid slots and AF's. :)
Telling me im wrong and argumenting with things like "its going to be diffrent in the future", is wrong.
Just because Pirate ships get a boost in Dominion, doesnt change the fact that they suck at the moment.
Same applies for the Bellicose, its not underrated, it currently is trash.
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steveid
Helljumpers Alliance 12345
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:29:00 -
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Fly a hyena. You will live longer. If you read this then you have to lick my balls. |
steveid
Helljumpers Alliance 12345
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Posted - 2009.10.05 18:34:00 -
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[Hyena, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Target Painter II Target Painter II Target Painter II
Standard Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Standard Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile [empty high slot]
Particle Dispersion Projector I Particle Dispersion Projector I
If you read this then you have to lick my balls. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.06 05:39:00 -
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I use a tanking Belli for quick missions when there is little time. Fitted to take advantage of the bonus and skilled for it, it can be a effective cruiser.
But it's still a cruiser.
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2009.10.06 07:12:00 -
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Back, many ages ago, when it had a 10% optimal range bonus it was a great sniper. I used to do level 3 missions in it and pick off anything that came for me at a distance.
But these days I don't know. But one things is for sure, it's not a solo ship. And it don't have enough powergrid to use three artilleries, so you must go close range auto cannons to use the bonuses.
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity Wicked Nation
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Posted - 2009.10.06 13:26:00 -
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bellicose isnt a bad solo anti-frig ship.
highs: AC+assault missiles+neut mids: 2x webs + stuff lows: 1600 plate + stuff Reward small gang/solo pvp!
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: arbiter reborn on 06/10/2009 14:28:57 ill agree, if you run alot of missiles 50% tp's are fuking awesome not to mention it basicly boosts everyones traking by 50%, but solo with a dual lse w ac fit you can get suprising results, definatly a underated and underused ship
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:42:00 -
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Boosted TPs are like scripted TCIIs, except with a vastly bigger bonus and that work for everyone in the game.
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Susy Assulu
Caldari Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.10.06 14:54:00 -
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Why not one of the recons? Especially if you have cruiser V
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Suas
Originally by: Petra Katell
Originally by: Suas It's still pretty bad compared to a Rupture / Stabber unless you have a ton of Torp Ravens / SBs in your gang.
Confirming that TP's only affect missiles and don't at all help turret tracking
Confirming you are a bit silly.
It's far more viable for Torp users as most targets should already be webbed / tackled (and if they aren't your gang is terrible), if turret users have no tracking issues then the TP does nothing for them. Whereas it will always (except vs BS that are already painted I suppose) increase torp damage.
Jeez, think for a second, won't you?
Stop trying to make up excuses for this ship. It's still not good and no competent FC would want you in one unless the TPs were really needed (Torps).
youre really very wrong; for a start even with a webbed target there is you transversal to consider, especially when your close, and big ships shooting low sig high tank cruisers can alwayd do with a painter
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.10.06 15:42:00 -
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And in what situation will your guns have perfect tracking other than BC/cruiser vs BC/BS? Being able to hit something != perfect tracking
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Forum Chav
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Posted - 2009.10.06 18:23:00 -
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Bellicose - AF Killer
triple rocket launchers med neut small neut
mwd point twin webs
plate suitcase nano
no rigs
3 x valk ii's 2 x warrior ii's
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Bellicose
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.07 13:28:00 -
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So much hate
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