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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:14:00 -
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Iam an interceptor pilot and depending on 10mn ab. since the locking-time is crusial for me... if I burn around with a mwd I get killed straight away. The BS's can lock me and kill me when i get into range... i dont have the 20 sec. to lock, web, scramble and then get out.... so iam not wellcoming shiva. I think if iam gonna keep doing intercepting iam going to jump into a regular frig.
MWD gets u killed!
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:14:00 -
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Iam an interceptor pilot and depending on 10mn ab. since the locking-time is crusial for me... if I burn around with a mwd I get killed straight away. The BS's can lock me and kill me when i get into range... i dont have the 20 sec. to lock, web, scramble and then get out.... so iam not wellcoming shiva. I think if iam gonna keep doing intercepting iam going to jump into a regular frig.
MWD gets u killed!
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Felsin
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:18:00 -
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yea i have been thinking about this long and hard and well. I dont have a clue what to do lol. I only fly frigs and this new change is throwing me for a loop..what to do what to do.
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Felsin
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:18:00 -
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yea i have been thinking about this long and hard and well. I dont have a clue what to do lol. I only fly frigs and this new change is throwing me for a loop..what to do what to do.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:20:00 -
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How terrible that a BS can lock you and shoot at you. I feel your pain.
Using an MWD doesn't make you easier to hit, in my experience, just easier to lock. You go fast enough that the increased sig. radius is still insufficient for most BS gun tracking.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:20:00 -
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How terrible that a BS can lock you and shoot at you. I feel your pain.
Using an MWD doesn't make you easier to hit, in my experience, just easier to lock. You go fast enough that the increased sig. radius is still insufficient for most BS gun tracking.
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slapp
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:22:00 -
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fly in groups, use griffins (ew) and kessys (defender missiles)
while the others do the damage
and use mwd II....and a lot of skills
in pvp versus a guncruiser you'll get wtfpwned...
face it, taranis is a ceptor, that just deals too much damage (300dmg on wrecking hit with tl2 ions -yeah, it's mine...it was done on a cruiser's armor)
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slapp
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:22:00 -
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fly in groups, use griffins (ew) and kessys (defender missiles)
while the others do the damage
and use mwd II....and a lot of skills
in pvp versus a guncruiser you'll get wtfpwned...
face it, taranis is a ceptor, that just deals too much damage (300dmg on wrecking hit with tl2 ions -yeah, it's mine...it was done on a cruiser's armor)
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:42:00 -
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thing is, ok so mwd gives you a sig the size of a battleship. but still, how often does a BS gun hit a BS sized target going at 3km/s 5km from it?? not often.
so its not as bad as you might think.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:42:00 -
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thing is, ok so mwd gives you a sig the size of a battleship. but still, how often does a BS gun hit a BS sized target going at 3km/s 5km from it?? not often.
so its not as bad as you might think.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:49:00 -
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The solution is to remove the sig radius increase on MWD's, its stupid.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.10.26 22:49:00 -
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The solution is to remove the sig radius increase on MWD's, its stupid.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.10.26 23:02:00 -
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Using oversized ABs on Interceptors is stupid.
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Ronyo Dae'Loki
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Posted - 2004.10.26 23:02:00 -
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Using oversized ABs on Interceptors is stupid.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.10.26 23:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Using oversized ABs on Interceptors is stupid.
hmm... no it isnt.
if 2 of us, me in an ab fitted inty, you in an mwd fitted one, were to orbit a ship at the same distance with the ship firing the same gun type at both of us, you would get hit for more damage. about, i'd guess, 2-3 times more. this is because your sig is increased by 5 times, but on the other hand you are going faster.
i agree its not a clear cut decision... but surely thats how it should be? people make a cchoice when they fit theyre ship?
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2004.10.26 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ronyo Dae'Loki
Using oversized ABs on Interceptors is stupid.
hmm... no it isnt.
if 2 of us, me in an ab fitted inty, you in an mwd fitted one, were to orbit a ship at the same distance with the ship firing the same gun type at both of us, you would get hit for more damage. about, i'd guess, 2-3 times more. this is because your sig is increased by 5 times, but on the other hand you are going faster.
i agree its not a clear cut decision... but surely thats how it should be? people make a cchoice when they fit theyre ship?
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Random
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Posted - 2004.10.27 00:09:00 -
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i personaly dont use ab on my intys, but i dont see why its being removed. The only thing i see wrong with the 10mn afterburner fitting is that missile intys get some edge over the gunnboats. Like a crow for example, standard luchers cost only 3 in powergrid to fitt and u dont have to sacrefise much to fitt 3 standard ML + 10mn afterburner, and still do optimal damige. While gunboats have to go for the smalest guns possleble + 2-3Micro aux. Other than that i dont see anithing wrong with oversised ab fitting.
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Random
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Posted - 2004.10.27 00:09:00 -
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i personaly dont use ab on my intys, but i dont see why its being removed. The only thing i see wrong with the 10mn afterburner fitting is that missile intys get some edge over the gunnboats. Like a crow for example, standard luchers cost only 3 in powergrid to fitt and u dont have to sacrefise much to fitt 3 standard ML + 10mn afterburner, and still do optimal damige. While gunboats have to go for the smalest guns possleble + 2-3Micro aux. Other than that i dont see anithing wrong with oversised ab fitting.
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.10.27 00:41:00 -
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nah, 10 ab isnt needed on crow, or any other elite frig.
MWD makes up for the sig radius nicely, and having the extra grid or slots to fit decent cap stuf and a 400mm plate does wonders for making it up even more.
now, cruisers. that is another story.
A cruiserwith one MWD gets pwned, a cruiser with two gets pwned but only by being webbed. A cruiser with 2x100mn AB however can be quite effective, but again a cruiser with 1x 100MN AB gets pwned.
Cant really see the future for the cruiser once speed can no longer be its defense and offense.
Take your average cruiser setup in PVP these days:
5x small guns
2x MWD/100mn AB
Web, scrambler or both.
plate if MWD's and med repairer and some stuff.
Cruisers are used as destroyers.
After dual speedboost nerf they cant be anymore.
What will they be used for then ?
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Marcus Aurelius
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Posted - 2004.10.27 00:41:00 -
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nah, 10 ab isnt needed on crow, or any other elite frig.
MWD makes up for the sig radius nicely, and having the extra grid or slots to fit decent cap stuf and a 400mm plate does wonders for making it up even more.
now, cruisers. that is another story.
A cruiserwith one MWD gets pwned, a cruiser with two gets pwned but only by being webbed. A cruiser with 2x100mn AB however can be quite effective, but again a cruiser with 1x 100MN AB gets pwned.
Cant really see the future for the cruiser once speed can no longer be its defense and offense.
Take your average cruiser setup in PVP these days:
5x small guns
2x MWD/100mn AB
Web, scrambler or both.
plate if MWD's and med repairer and some stuff.
Cruisers are used as destroyers.
After dual speedboost nerf they cant be anymore.
What will they be used for then ?
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Eli Whitney
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Posted - 2004.10.27 01:01:00 -
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As far as I know Shiva isn't going to have the oversized module nerf. That will be post shiva sometime.
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Eli Whitney
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Posted - 2004.10.27 01:01:00 -
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As far as I know Shiva isn't going to have the oversized module nerf. That will be post shiva sometime.
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:31:00 -
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Back in the days when i started flying intys, i always sweard too mwds.... but after trying a 10mn ab on everything changed:) now I loose 1 inty every 2'nd month... with and mwd... 1 every 2'nd week:P
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:31:00 -
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Back in the days when i started flying intys, i always sweard too mwds.... but after trying a 10mn ab on everything changed:) now I loose 1 inty every 2'nd month... with and mwd... 1 every 2'nd week:P
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capt
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:38:00 -
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Iam an interceptor pilot and depending on 10mn ab. since the locking-time is crusial for me... if I burn around with a mwd I get killed straight away. The BS's can lock me and kill me when i get into range... i dont have the 20 sec. to lock, web, scramble and then get out.... so iam not wellcoming shiva. I think if iam gonna keep doing intercepting iam going to jump into a regular frig.
MWD gets u killed!
Please correct me if I am wrong but what you are actually saying is :
"I think that theres no way EVER that any BS should be able to lock me or even land a shot or missile on me. I should MTFPWN that BS at easy while the BS pilot can't do nothing about it. I WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE!!!!"
Thank god we don't live in your ideal game world.
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capt
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:38:00 -
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Iam an interceptor pilot and depending on 10mn ab. since the locking-time is crusial for me... if I burn around with a mwd I get killed straight away. The BS's can lock me and kill me when i get into range... i dont have the 20 sec. to lock, web, scramble and then get out.... so iam not wellcoming shiva. I think if iam gonna keep doing intercepting iam going to jump into a regular frig.
MWD gets u killed!
Please correct me if I am wrong but what you are actually saying is :
"I think that theres no way EVER that any BS should be able to lock me or even land a shot or missile on me. I should MTFPWN that BS at easy while the BS pilot can't do nothing about it. I WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE!!!!"
Thank god we don't live in your ideal game world.
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Random
i personaly dont use ab on my intys, but i dont see why its being removed. The only thing i see wrong with the 10mn afterburner fitting is that missile intys get some edge over the gunnboats. Like a crow for example, standard luchers cost only 3 in powergrid to fitt and u dont have to sacrefise much to fitt 3 standard ML + 10mn afterburner, and still do optimal damige. While gunboats have to go for the smalest guns possleble + 2-3Micro aux. Other than that i dont see anithing wrong with oversised ab fitting.
totaly agree... on the crow thing
They can fit a 10mn ab plus all the stuff they normaly would use and still do full damage firing all their weaponry while using the ab. Any turret based frig using 10mn ab's will not hit much if at all while using the ab. Plus they have to sacrifice so much firing power and general stuff to be able to fit the 10mn ab and weaponry.
Crow = full damage with AB on, full damage with AB off
Rest = hardly any damage with AB on, crappy damage with AB off
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.10.27 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Random
i personaly dont use ab on my intys, but i dont see why its being removed. The only thing i see wrong with the 10mn afterburner fitting is that missile intys get some edge over the gunnboats. Like a crow for example, standard luchers cost only 3 in powergrid to fitt and u dont have to sacrefise much to fitt 3 standard ML + 10mn afterburner, and still do optimal damige. While gunboats have to go for the smalest guns possleble + 2-3Micro aux. Other than that i dont see anithing wrong with oversised ab fitting.
totaly agree... on the crow thing
They can fit a 10mn ab plus all the stuff they normaly would use and still do full damage firing all their weaponry while using the ab. Any turret based frig using 10mn ab's will not hit much if at all while using the ab. Plus they have to sacrifice so much firing power and general stuff to be able to fit the 10mn ab and weaponry.
Crow = full damage with AB on, full damage with AB off
Rest = hardly any damage with AB on, crappy damage with AB off
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: capt
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Iam an interceptor pilot and depending on 10mn ab. since the locking-time is crusial for me... if I burn around with a mwd I get killed straight away. The BS's can lock me and kill me when i get into range... i dont have the 20 sec. to lock, web, scramble and then get out.... so iam not wellcoming shiva. I think if iam gonna keep doing intercepting iam going to jump into a regular frig.
MWD gets u killed!
Please correct me if I am wrong but what you are actually saying is :
"I think that theres no way EVER that any BS should be able to lock me or even land a shot or missile on me. I should MTFPWN that BS at easy while the BS pilot can't do nothing about it. I WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE!!!!"
Thank god we don't live in your ideal game world.
More like:
I think that there's no way a BS should ever be able to hit me unless the user isn't stupid--i.e. he webs me. Otherwise he shouldn't be able to him me when I'm orbiting him at 2.5km. And even though he'll only wreck me 1 in 250 times, that one wrecking hit will blow me to smithereens.
Now THAT I agree with. What are the odds a battleship (sea-wise) will hit your speedboat?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2004.10.27 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: capt
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Iam an interceptor pilot and depending on 10mn ab. since the locking-time is crusial for me... if I burn around with a mwd I get killed straight away. The BS's can lock me and kill me when i get into range... i dont have the 20 sec. to lock, web, scramble and then get out.... so iam not wellcoming shiva. I think if iam gonna keep doing intercepting iam going to jump into a regular frig.
MWD gets u killed!
Please correct me if I am wrong but what you are actually saying is :
"I think that theres no way EVER that any BS should be able to lock me or even land a shot or missile on me. I should MTFPWN that BS at easy while the BS pilot can't do nothing about it. I WANT TO BE INVINCIBLE!!!!"
Thank god we don't live in your ideal game world.
More like:
I think that there's no way a BS should ever be able to hit me unless the user isn't stupid--i.e. he webs me. Otherwise he shouldn't be able to him me when I'm orbiting him at 2.5km. And even though he'll only wreck me 1 in 250 times, that one wrecking hit will blow me to smithereens.
Now THAT I agree with. What are the odds a battleship (sea-wise) will hit your speedboat?
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