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Doomed Predator Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:51:00 - [31] Another EVE is dying thread The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again
Urziah Kamech	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:54:00 - [32] Now I am a relatively new player. I just reactivated my account after years of not playing (aside from a few days of trial here and there), but I played a bit in the early days of launch of EVE. Guild moved on to another game, so I didn't stay around. If I remember correctly, in the early days one could always be attacked anywhere you went. I can imagine that some don't like that, but it was part of the thrill. We banded together with a bunch of guys and gals in local, and once one of us could start a corp, we started one of the first founded corps in the game. Our goal? Having fun. Now see things the way you want to, but a large part of that fun was the danger. True, if you just want to mine and produce and not be bothered, the danger isn't fun. We however, mainly were involved into mining and production, but hell did we love the danger! Some of us started specializing in combat to protect the others while hauling cargo or while mining in lower sec systems. That was one of the best times I've ever had in an MMO. Granted, maybe we were lucky with our little bunch, but it was really dead fun. I personally would like to see more danger in the game, more purpose to 0.0 and a chance for the carebears to be carebears. But it would be silly if someone who doesn't want danger can achieve the same as those that are willing to take the risk of going to low sec or even 0.0 on their own. I agree with the OP on a lot of points, I disagree that it is those that don't want to PvP that ruin the game. If anyone is potentially ruining it, it is CCP, since they are the only ones who can. And correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they trying to make changes so that more people would be attracted to go to 0.0? Just give it some time. I bet more PvP will be coming back, since you are obviously not the only one complaining about the current state of the game. Don't rule out the non PvPers, because that would just not make sense. They make a large portion of the player base. Loosing those would be losing part of the game. (You know, less income means less devs, means less content and upgrades. And CCP would be stupid not to cater to also that group. Just look at it as a process of balancing. First it was more or less all out PvP, now maybe it's a bit too safe, and low and behold, the next expansion is trying to get more people into 0.0. I recon that has a good reason. ;) Good read though mate.
FlyinS Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:54:00 - [33] Originally by: Rells To understand this we have to look at why carebears are carebears. One type of carebear is simply a palyer with a feeling of inadequacy in combat; they feel that they will lose or have suffered setbacks and so became a carebear. These carebears can be converted with the right training and some success. The second type of carebear, however, can not possibly be converted and even trying to do so is a waste of time. These people think that PvPers are psychotic raving wackos in real life. This type of carebear has difficulty separating in-game morality from out of game morality. Your entire rant fails with the assumption that these are the only two reasons people are carebears.
Lord Haur Amarr StarHunt	Posted - 2009.10.06 16:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Rells What I was talkign about are equal sized markets spread about the galaxy such as we had in 2003 and 2004. cough Yulai? cough
Aurora Nyx Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:01:00 - [35] I'm so glad i stopping reading after the first sentence.
Cpt Branko The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Malcanis Rells, whilst I understand what you're saying and why you're saying it, I think you're overly pessimistic, overly prescreptive and over-generalising. It is no secret that I have very little sympathy for people who demand ever-increasing levels of safety under the false flag of "playstyle". You can read over my forum record if you like. Hell, read the very first post I made on these forums. I have always consistently advocated maximum player freedom, minimum NPC freedom. I would agree that around the 15 month period late 2007-to end of 2008 CCP took their eye off the ball and made several horrible strategic errors in overboosting hi-sec. However, I believe that they have recognised their error - the hints to this effect are there for anybody to read - and have begun the long, slow process of correcting it as best they can. Dominion, if it works as intended, will be a significant step in this direction. The relatively low carrying economic capacity of 0.0 has long been a legitimate objection to getting more people living in 0.0, and CCP have recognised this and taken steps to amend the situation. Meanwhile, steps like the 11% tax rate for NPC corps are as explicit a signal as anyone could hope for that the old times of invulnerable unbalanced ISK-whoring in hi-sec are numbered. Back in the day it used to be that if you wanted to get rich, you went to 0.0. That's not the case now, but I believe that CCP want it to become that way again. I have a huge amount of respect and gratitude for what you've done with Agony Unleashed. An invaluable service has been provided in exactly the way it should be done: in game, by players. All I'm asking from you now is one thing: Keep the faith. Hang in there, bro. Times are changing, and I believe for the better. This. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:07:00 - [37] Originally by: Adonis 4174 I must have been away too long. Does Carebear now mean someone who wants pvp banned? "When I use a word," Rells said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Adonis 4174 I must have been away too long. Does Carebear now mean someone who wants pvp banned? "When I use a word," Rells said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less." Now now, I never said anything like that so drop the quotes. If that is your impression of what i said then that is entirely your fault. I said exactly what I said.
Cassandra Masami	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 06/10/2009 16:04:55 Myth #11: Carebears can be coaxed out of being carebears through things like faction warfare and other transitional game play styles. Yeah well we saw how badly that worked out. The problem is that type 2 carebears cant be convinced to fight ever and type 1 carebears are so unsure of themselves that without guidance they wont fight at all. The easiest way to create more type 1 carebears is put them in a pvp situation with questionable "pickup" fleet commanders and little organization and feed them to the wolves. The only way type 1 carebears can be lured out is through guidance and training and assimilation into a larger pro organization. So that leaves the only target for faction warfare the alliance players that are lookign for some new combat. Once they see all the rules and anti-alliance enforcements, that market is also gone. In short faction warfare was perhaps the biggest waste of time in the history of eve. I'm a carebear, and I've been a carebear for about nine or ten months. I know, I know, I'm the worst of the worst. Lower than those that can flip new players in the starter systems. I mission , I mine , I occasionally manufacture , and I've even done the odd courier/trade run. And of course, I avoided every form of ship-to-ship PvP that I possibly could. I'm also a lone wolf. So far, everything I do is done either solo, or with the help of my alts. (If you care why, its because I have odd and irregular play times, and because I dislike corp politics.) So now that we have established I'm just a slimy lowdown wretched good for nothing carebear, it must shock you to know I joined the Caldari State Protectorate (Caldari FW militia) two weeks ago. No support or training from a massive PvP training corp. Just taking what I've read on the forums and guides, going out solo in my T1 crap fitted kestrel (I'm currently on "Red Shirt #6"), running some plexes or FW missions, only engaging when I feel I have a chance of winning, and rarely joining fleets because EveVoice doesn't work. Right now I'm enjoying myself. I have yet to win a fight or score a kill, but I'm learning, and I'm having fun so I don't care. So please tell me, am I a Type I or a Type II carebear? Or am I just some weirdo who shouldn't be playing in an MMO?
Korovyov Cool Story Bro	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:10:00 - [40] I ACCIDENTALLY EPIC THREAD. IS THIS BAD? ------------------------- Have Rocket, Will Travel.

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:11:00 - [41] Originally by: Aurora Nyx I'm so glad i stopping reading after the first sentence. You didn't miss much unless you're into tears. Just another "PVPer" whining and sobbing about carebears.
Anslo The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:14:00 - [42] Carebears run Eve, we will always run Eve. We pay the most to play this game, so we are catered to. We get to say what we want, if you don't like it play another game. Eve belongs to carebears, and nothing you can do will change that ever :)
Ikserak tai	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Ikserak tai on 06/10/2009 17:20:33 Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 06/10/2009 16:24:08 Originally by: Connner Did you just invent Myth#9? There still are many 'mini Jita's' all over the place, Rens and Hek are two I can think of right away. You cant seriously be comparing Rens' volume to that of Jita can you? No, I thought not. Rens is a place people go if they are annoyed to go to jita for distance because they have a lot of cash or because they hate the lag. By comparison all other markets are micro comapred to jita. What I was talkign about are equal sized markets spread about the galaxy such as we had in 2003 and 2004. Are you a moron or what? You first talk about PvP as some holy pursuit, then you want "equal" markets sprinkled throughout Eve. In a player controlled economy, SOMEONE is going to have to control the entire Eve economy in order to ensure "equal" size markets. This is absurd. Jita is so big BECAUSE of economy oriented PvP. Jita IS PvP. All Pvp is not pew-pew, plankton. Last night I went to three regions and Tritanium and Tungsten Carbide were not available. Not a SINGLE unit available anywhere in three entire regions, two of which are well-populated. The price of these advanced materiials have doubled and tripled in a three day span. SOMEONE has decided to hoard these items, and now control the market for them. Thousands of players just "lost" a huge PvP market battle, and players will be spending billions more for this stuff in the months to come. How's THAT FOR PvP?? The guy that said "this is wrong on so many levels I don't know where to begin" made more sense than your entire post. Your basic definition of PvP is so limited it defeats your whole argument. Go polish your ship, it's apparantly the only thing you understand. YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:21:00 - [44] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Aurora Nyx I'm so glad i stopping reading after the first sentence. You didn't miss much unless you're into tears. Just another "PVPer" whining and sobbing about carebears. At least he's actually done something in game, unlike your sole achievement of becoming so blatant a forum troll that you got banned.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:23:00 - [45] Originally by: Cassandra Masami And of course, I avoided every form of ship-to-ship PvP that I possibly could. Don't feel bad. The great majority of "PVPers" follow this very same doctrine. They mostly engage in battles they have slim chances of losing. It's just they psych themselves into thinking somehow their balls are bigger in real life and are superior to those that choose to minimize there losses by avoiding ship-to-ship combat. I've been smacked, called a coward, *****, on local for escaping gatecamp ganks and ganks in general . I'm a coward for running from a 10-man camp \o/ YAY!
Thuranni Queens of the Stone Age Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:27:00 - [46] Quote: To understand this we have to look at why carebears are carebears. One type of carebear is simply a palyer with a feeling of inadequacy in combat; they feel that they will lose or have suffered setbacks and so became a carebear. These carebears can be converted with the right training and some success. The second type of carebear, however, can not possibly be converted and even trying to do so is a waste of time. These people think that PvPers are psychotic raving wackos in real life. This type of carebear has difficulty separating in-game morality from out of game morality. The vast majority of pvpers are great and decent people that are playing a game and put the combat in the context of the game. Carebears want the game company to take care of them, right the perceived wrongs of the world and be "fair" to everyone. Are you dense or something? I don't PVP simply because I have no interest to do so. I run a POS in W space, and I am not averse to PVP in any way - If someone shows up in my W space with intent to mess my **** up, I will fight back, and have done so quite successfully in the past. I don't seek out PVP simply because it bores me, and I'd rather just do my own thing. I have PVPd actively in the past, and I recognize it as a important aspect of EVE and don't wish it removed. The people you are describing are the vast, vast, vast minority of non-PVPing players.
nafiy gnaw	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:28:00 - [47] -Sorry for the dose of hard reality but the fact is that carebears have ruined every single game they have managed to secure a hold and dominant position in.- I hate saying this, but a certain, 11-million uber-carebear (compare to the eve carebear, every single WOW player is a uber carebear) dominated game that has orcs and elves in it, is well alive and running. This simply leaves your argument to tatters. In fact, compare to EvE where no-where in space is 100% safe, that losing a PvP fight will result in losing real work, any other, alive, MMO game out their are carebear-dominated and I could hardly say they're ruined. Every single none-EvE game is carebear dominated, so every-single MMORPG is dead, other than EvE........oh wait There goes the MMORPG industry, and Rells' epic argument. -nafiy
Rells Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:28:00 - [48] Edited by: Rells on 06/10/2009 17:30:09 Rells is laughing at the vitriol. Its been a slow week at work. Gotta have something to do. Originally by: nafiy gnaw -Sorry for the dose of hard reality but the fact is that carebears have ruined every single game they have managed to secure a hold and dominant position in.- I hate saying this, but a certain, 11-million uber-carebear (compare to the eve carebear, every single WOW player is a uber carebear) dominated game that has orcs and elves in it, is well alive and running. This simply leaves your argument to tatters. In fact, compare to EvE where no-where in space is 100% safe, that losing a PvP fight will result in losing real work, any other, alive, MMO game out their are carebear-dominated and I could hardly say they're ruined. Every single none-EvE game is carebear dominated, so every-single MMORPG is dead, other than EvE........oh wait There goes the MMORPG industry, and Rells' epic argument. -nafiy I said ruined, not bankrupt. There are an endless supply of people willign to do mind numbing repditive tasks for no reason whatsoever. But if you are holding up WoW as an example of a great game, I would but a really good hardhat if i were you. Things WILL be thrown at you metaphorically.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:28:00 - [49] Originally by: Rells Now now, I never said anything like that so drop the quotes. Read a book. Originally by: Rells If that is your impression of what i said then that is entirely your fault. I said exactly what I said. Exactly what you said? You mean "Who's that trip-trapping over my bridge?"
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Malcanis At least he's actually done something in game, unlike your sole achievement of becoming so blatant a forum troll that you got banned. Really? I got banned? I must have missed the memo And speaking of trolls, how have you been doing lately? Still funding the hate-a-carebear-a-day campaign? And say, you must obviously know what I've done in game to make such general accusations. I troll spiteful idiots like you that only spew hate and rage over carebears. Keep on hatin', buddy.

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:33:00 - [51] The only carebear arguement which annoys me is the one where they try to claim that PvE is a seperate playstyle, rather than just a bunch of activities played out on a PvP stage. Eve is PvP. Anything which excludes competitive interaction is bad. (That doesn't mean killing people in the face ... well, not exclusively) アニメ漫画です
Akiba Penrose	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Rells Sorry for the dose of hard reality but the fact is that carebears have ruined every single game they have managed to secure a hold and dominant position in. The only MMO game iv played is EVE Online, so im not that experienced in the MMO world. It would be interesting to know which games has been destroyed/changed by carebears. Could you name a few?
Hoo Is	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:35:00 - [53] The problem is there are 2 types of PvPers 1) Your so called Alliance guy, who fights for his alliance to gain territory and kill his enemy 2) You so called scavenger. That gate camps, blobs, and ganks The problem is there are too many Type 2's floating around. I don't mind PvP, when it has a purpose other than 'Fer teh lulz'. Faction warefare and 0.0 Sov Warfare are great. Ganking miners and gate camps, not so much. You make it so there is less useless ganking and camping, and more purposeful PvP, and the carebears will go. ---- a reply which adds nothing to a thread or results in a thread being bumped with no new discussion worthy content is considered spam and as such warrants a forum ban
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:38:00 - [54] Please see the highly successful and ever thriving MMO; Shadowbane, for details on how a fully open PvP environment wihtout checks and balances is really really good game design. Oh wait...
Korovyov Cool Story Bro	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Rells Its been a slow week at work. Gotta have something to do. When I had a slow week at work I got laid off. True story. ------------------------- Have Rocket, Will Travel.
Bethany Blaze Amarr Cool Story Bro	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Korovyov Originally by: Rells Its been a slow week at work. Gotta have something to do. When I had a slow week at work I got laid off. True story. Damn, that's how my slow week ended too.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:40:00 - [57] Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2 Originally by: Malcanis At least he's actually done something in game, unlike your sole achievement of becoming so blatant a forum troll that you got banned. Really? I got banned? I must have missed the memo And speaking of trolls, how have you been doing lately? Still funding the hate-a-carebear-a-day campaign? And say, you must obviously know what I've done in game to make such general accusations. I troll spiteful idiots like you that only spew hate and rage over carebears. Keep on hatin', buddy. Ahahaha hate? For you? That'll be the day. No, seriously, I reserve my hate for people who, however despicable, have actually done something. All you've ever done is troll an internet forum - and not very well at that. What pitiable losers like you fail to appreciate is that someone can sincerely enjoy an activity like playing EvE, and post an honest viewpoint on it that just so happens to contradict your own. I've had plenty of useful and enjoyable discussions from good people whom I respect on the other side of the carebear fence, so to speak, because they weren't frothing little hatesacks like you. You don't even advance the cause you claim to support. All you do is try and degrade the debate and reduce it to a few CTRL-C CRTL-V talking points; You're the Rush Limbaugh of carebears.
Korovyov Cool Story Bro	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:42:00 - [58] Edited by: Korovyov on 06/10/2009 17:42:34 Originally by: Bethany Blaze Damn, that's how my slow week ended too. PROTIP: If you got laid off on a slow week, I have the corp just for you. True story. ------------------------- Have Rocket, Will Travel.
Michwich	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:43:00 - [59] Everyones PVP'ing in this game as far as im concerned. Whether it be fighting, missioning, trading, whatever its all a competition. The only problem seeming to be the differnt styles and their crowds proclaiming thiers is the most important. So whos more important? Objectively the type with the most people playing. CCP has those numbers.
Bethany Blaze Amarr Cool Story Bro	Posted - 2009.10.06 17:44:00 - [60] Originally by: Korovyov Edited by: Korovyov on 06/10/2009 17:42:34 Originally by: Bethany Blaze Damn, that's how my slow week ended too. PROTIP: If you got laid off on a slow week, I have the corp just for you. True story. Is it the one I'm in right now? Why haven't I heard of this before?



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