It has been a very long time since I have seen any new stuff on the Nobel Exchange. Is it completely dead. Is there any news about the Nobel Exchange or ?. On the market I see a lot of different clothing in many different colours. When is all this apparel going so be available.

Yes, for now.

What do with the 250,000 AUR I have?!

What do with the 250,000 AUR I have?!

I hope it is soundly killed and the content goes to player industry/sandbox - including ship skins

Can't wait for Goons to start flying pink ships to gank in.

It has been a very long time since I have seen any new stuff on the Nobel Exchange. Is it completely dead.

It has been a very long time since I have seen any new stuff on the Nobel Exchange. Is it completely dead. Is there any news about the Nobel Exchange or ?. On the market I see a lot of different clothing in many different colours. When is all this apparel going so be available.

I hope it is soundly killed and the content goes to player industry/sandbox - including ship skins

[...] Is it completely dead. [...]

The moment textures hit space via the NeX, is the same moment i unsub. Every company has gone down the p2w or pay to advance faster slope(with a few incredibly rare exceptions), CCP won't be different.

The moment textures hit space via the NeX, is the same moment i unsub. Every company has gone down the p2w or pay to advance faster slope(with a few incredibly rare exceptions), CCP won't be different.

When they put Dust BPOs/BPCs to NeX store and we'll get to milk ISK from Dustmites you'll wish you had more free Aurum to buy those BPOs/BPCs...

I LoL'ed at the guy ignoring Plex for 9 years

I wonder, how does PLEX give you anything that isn't achievable through gameplay, again?

I LoL'ed at the guy ignoring Plex for 9 years

I wonder, how does PLEX give you anything that isn't achievable through gameplay, again?

The moment textures hit space via the NeX, is the same moment i unsub. Every company has gone down the p2w or pay to advance faster slope(with a few incredibly rare exceptions), CCP won't be different.

Without some kind of hub/bar/place to meet other avatars it has almost no purpose but I don't think CCP realize that if they added a hub they would get sales and a large amount of players that log on just to hang out in the hub, Cantinas for everyone!

i think i can count on one hand the number of times i've even looked at that since it was introduced....

It has been a very long time since I have seen any new stuff on the Nobel Exchange. Is it completely dead. Is there any news about the Nobel Exchange or ?. On the market I see a lot of different clothing in many different colours. When is all this apparel going so be available.

Without some kind of hub/bar/place to meet other avatars it has almost no purpose but I don't think CCP realize that if they added a hub they would get sales and a large amount of players that log on just to hang out in the hub, Cantinas for everyone!

I agree. The problem with Incarna was its complete and utter uselessness. Giving us avatars but no way to interact. Ha, ha! And starting with the most depressing looking CQ on top of it.

Anyway, common rooms should not be that hard to implement. Though I wonder how they will look like in Jita. Perhaps a queue!?
And corp/alliance separees. Perhaps an offical-looking meeting room where the managers can be important and show off their NEX clothes along with live feed to the regular corp-grunts-¦ CQ.

Because that sounds like incredibly useful content...

Well you have to admit that it beats grinding L4s.

I hear you.

However, the cancer is already here and can't be cured, so why not give the bears something to shut them up even for a short while?

Because that sounds like incredibly useful content...

More socializing certainly isn-¦t wrong in a MMO.

WiS is there, so why not finish it by giving it a purpose (a possibility to meet/show off your avatar)? That does not mean that the spaceship aspect becomes irrelevant or that CCP should not concentrate on in spaceships.

I wonder, how does AURUM give you anything that isn't achievable through gameplay, again?

Just what CCP needs: Bandwidth being taken up by players who aren't even playing the game.

In larger numbers than what already happens.

The number of players online means nothing if we can't shoot most of them and they aren't buying spaceships.

Imagine the whine induced by WiS players the gankers cant kill lol

I'm glad that you are amused. Please continue advocating for this feature.

I will also continue to be amused at the lack of results of your advocacy.

Imagine the tears, indeed!

Please point out the place I "advocated" FOR WiS.
Oh yeah, I didnt.

Troll elsewhere ganktard

All I can say to this is can I borrow a bucket anybody?

I believe I've been called a tard by a qq queen on the Eve O GD forums!

I need to harvest these tears, and my other buckets are all full.

Because it will hurt CCP's bottom line in the end. Those people would be taking up connection sockets that actual players could be connecting to - and enriching Eve.

But if CCP's aim for EVE is to build the ultimate s-f sim, then people doing that "useless" (in your eyes) content will be "enriching EVE."

And that's their stated ultimate aim, as shown even in the video that Hilmar linked in his "apology" letter.

So yes, they've sensibly re-trenched and are concentrating on FiS, but that's not going to last forever, and they'll be revisiting the avatar-based content a year or two down the line.

So you must be in the wrong game.

People doing whatever doesn't destroy eve. What does destroy eve are those people who attempt to strong-arm CCP into fundamentally changing the game from its ruthless, cutthroat roots.

But if CCP's aim for EVE is to build the ultimate s-f sim, then people doing that "useless" (in your eyes) content will be "enriching EVE."

And that's their stated ultimate aim, as shown even in the video that Hilmar linked in his "apology" letter.

So yes, they've sensibly re-trenched and are concentrating on FiS, but that's not going to last forever, and they'll be revisiting the avatar-based content a year or two down the line.

So you must be in the wrong game.

I'm willing to bet that if players can't connect to the available sockets due to cybersexing in stations (CiS) content, that the subs would probably take a pretty serious hit.

Tell yourself what you like, though.

Edit: Oops quoted the wrong post.

What, you mean the concept of "multiplayer Elite"?

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I'm willing to bet that if players can't connect to the available sockets due to cybersexing in stations (CiS) content, that the subs would probably take a pretty serious hit.

Tell yourself what you like, though.

I doubt CCP are unaware of the problems improving the game might bring - and yet strangely, they still hew to the idea of the "ultimate s-f sim".

I doubt CCP are unaware of the problems improving the game might bring - and yet strangely, they still hew to the idea of the "ultimate s-f sim".

What are you trying to say?

The basic inspiration for the game was Elite, they wanted to make a multiplayer version of that game. It's always been intended to have PvP and PvE content together.

So it's really a question of balance, and that's a real question. Go too far PvE and CCP might increase their subs, sure (lots of people out there want a great PvE s-f game), but there's also a higher risk of churn because it's the dangerous nature of EVE that makes the people who stick with it stick with it (even us EVE carebears :) ). On the other hand, if the game were PvP only (like a PvP arena with a chat lobby), CCP would lose a lot of people too. PvP arena games don't gel well with the roleplaying element that requires time and commitment to train up to be any good at anything - it might work if you could jump into a high skliled toon (like in GW's PvP arena), but imagine the outcry if that happened!

Also, "ruthless" and "cuthroat" only have meaning because of the background that you have to put time and effort into the game. There's more gankery and shenanigans in most multiplayer PvP games than in EVE, but they aren't "ruthless" or "cutthroat" because there's no RP element.

So yeah, WiS is perfectly at home within this concept.

NEX is useless because all we have is Captain Quarters which takes up several times more CPU and GPU than the actual game itself. Its resource heavy for something you look at pretty then forget about it after.

It has been a very long time since I have seen any new stuff on the Nobel Exchange. Is it completely dead. Is there any news about the Nobel Exchange or ?. On the market I see a lot of different clothing in many different colours. When is all this apparel going so be available.

Doesn't seem to make much sense for people to buy things off the NeX when you can't really show it off. I would think that the people who wanted a monocle or goggles have already purchased them. Outside of that, what the hell good is a new pair of boots or pants going to do for me?

I can't imagine that they thought the NeX would be utilized much with only CQ's. I have to believe they intended WiS to be the thng that drives NeX sales. The NeX is what's keeping my hopes up that they still intend to impliment a real WiS feature.


I think it would be interesting to see how many transactions the NeX actually generates. Something tells me it's REALLY low.

Demonstrated by the massive protests, the firing of a vast new art department, the failed marketing campaign to popularize Auram and the NeX, and finally by CCP's abandonment of WiS as a feature worthy of any real development time.

WoT gold can be accumulated through regular gameplay, too.

TF2 MT items also drop via regular play and can be traded with other players.

Turbine Points in LOTRO can be earned via in-game achievements.

It's pretty common to make any gameplay affecting items that you want to sell via MTs (in the case of CCP - everything) also available through (excruciatingly painful) in-game grinds - guess it puts players' minds at ease with rgds to "fairness" and makes picking up the game easier to rationalize ("I won't have to spend any money on this if I don't want to").

No, as demonstrated by Hilmar's apology letter, where he apologized for his mistakes but stuck to his guns for the long-term future of EVE by linking the video with WiS in it as the "vision".

Incarnageddon was not about the concept of WiS being crap, it was about a whole lot of things, including the implementation of WiS offered in Incarna being laughable (no multiplayer interaction).

WiS has been promised by CCP, and anticipated by many perfectly respectable EVE players (including The Mittani, as I've pointed out), for years, only a few EVE troglodytes reject it outright.

The NeX is exactly the same thing as plex. CCP designed it to work exactly like plex. Instead of gametime that other people can purchase off you, they made it clothing and eventually ship skins that people buy off you.

It's no different then plex.

Good luck with that.

I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry.

CQ is a computational nightmare as-is. Its design was not well-thought and it shows.

Scaling the disaster up to multiplayer mode won't get Eve new customers. it will probably have the opposite effect.

GǪaside from PLEX being economy-neutral, with a clearly defined entry and exit from the economy, whereas NeX items have been given some pretty significant protections from ever exiting it.

List the things that can't be lost.

Anything you wear.

Just because your PC won't handle it doesn't mean everyone elses won't.

Good thing you can just sit in a hanger.

Will you please do me a favor.

Think about that rationally for a second. Please.

So you can't run CQ with your PC?

This whole GÇ£readingGÇ¥ thing isn't for you, huh?

Ok.

The fact that you cannot lose the stuff you wear makes it different from everything else in EVE and makes it fundamentally different from PLEX (especially since PLEX are economy neutral). No other item in EVE has this kind of protection.

NeX items are nothing like PLEX.

This whole GÇ£readingGÇ¥ thing isn't for you, huh?

Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS? Yes, he did.
Then goes on to talk about the beast of a pc he has? Yes, he did.

So what the **** is complaining about?

Don't you use PLEX to get AUR to purchase from the NeX.

It's no different from selling PLEX on the market.

You guys are only complaining about the NeX because it's clearly set up like a MT shop. PLEX on the other hand, even though it's still RMT, doesn't get any complaints because it's not done in the same reaction.

And you don't lose the clothing you picked in the character creator

Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS?

Actually, I said it was currently a computational nightmare.

Where did I say nobody could run it?

It has been a very long time since I have seen any new stuff on the Nobel Exchange. Is it completely dead. Is there any news about the Nobel Exchange or ?. On the market I see a lot of different clothing in many different colours. When is all this apparel going so be available.

Don't you use PLEX to get AUR to purchase from the NeX.

People seem to be overlooking this.


It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

It's no different from selling PLEX, but you don't have a problem with that, I take it?

You guys are only complaining about the NeX because it's clearly set up like a MT shop. PLEX on the other hand, even though it's still RMT, doesn't get any complaints because it's not done in the same shop setup.

I'm sorry, but there is no logical reason to have any problem with the NeX, as long as they never sell anything that is gameplay altering. You shouldn't be buying ammo or ships that didn't at least first require you to purchase ammo or ships from a player.

And you don't lose the clothing you picked in the character creator, that's irrelevant. If they did make it possible to lose the NeX clothing then they'd pretty much guarantee that when WiS comes, no one would buy clothing off the NeX.


Putting a NeX item on the market is the exact same thing as putting a PLEX on the market. You just converted PLEX into another digital goods instead of it being gametime.

"I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

Then next time you want to get cute about someone elses ability to read, I'd ask you to refer to your own posts, genius.

And maybe go look up the word, imply.

Did he not make a post implying that no one would be able to run WiS?

I did not imply anything bro. I stated quite plainly that they would probably mostly fry.

Most means not all.

Not all means not all.

There was never any implication of 'all.'

If Boat takes us out on a fleet and everybody dies but a few people, did Boat wipe the whole fleet?

Think about it.

I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry."

It's no different from selling PLEX on the market. Someone spend real world currency on a game item that they're selling to other individuals. Whether that item is the PLEX directly or a shirt from the NeX, it's all derived from the exact same thing.

Ok.


That is so totally not an implication that you think that most people won't be able to run WiS. You're so totally right, dude.

I thnk my advice to other guy is also fitting to you as well.

Reread what was being said.

Care to explain then why the NeX Store even exists at all if there is no difference?

Care to explain then why the NeX Store even exists at all if there is no difference?

Are you serious, you don't get it, or are you being retorical?

Oh don't worry, I 'get' the NeX Store more than you could possibly imagine.

I can only say that PLEX should be purchased through the NeX, and that having it seperated in the way that they do leads to a lot of confusion and the impression that one is different from the other, when they're not.

Whether the PLEX is purchaed to add gametime or to purchase a shirt, it all starts from the same point. Someone spent money to purchase PLEX. To complain how that PLEX is used is silly. A shirt doesn't effect anyone, any more then someone who used the plex to add a month to their EVE subscription.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that there are people bitching about the NeX who sell PLEX that someone else used to buy **** off the NeX. Don't see anyone bitching about thier PLEX being used to buy a ******* shirt though.

I'm guessing that at the current metric, the minute the door opens and people try to interact in stations their collective video cards and processors will mostly all fry.

CQ is a computational nightmare as-is. Its design was not well-thought and it shows.

Scaling the disaster up to multiplayer mode won't get Eve new customers. it will probably have the opposite effect.

This is the part where I ask if anyone knows why, despite the fact that CCP constantly state that they don't have enough isk sinks, they created an entirely new, completely pointless, non-transferable currency for NEX rather than just making it take isk in order to make it serve as an (allegedly much needed) isk sink.

Can't wait for Goons to start flying pink ships to gank in.

You can exchange the Nobel Prize? What is the going rate?