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Estella Vance	Posted - 2009.10.18 10:57:00 - [31] Uh, oh. That lottery is still going? Phew; I thought that draw is done already and someone else got my titan(s)
Dumb Jerk	Posted - 2009.10.18 21:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Ji Sama Quoting for truth. Also i will be buying between 100-200 tickets over the weekend Lets see if we cant get the ball rolling :D Your quote from the main BIG thread. As of the writing of this post, you have not done so. Don't you trust BIG? I'd like to hear the MD elite crowd, esp. auditors and the like, to render an opinion.
Ray McCormack Kisoken Innovations	Posted - 2009.10.18 21:42:00 - [33] Originally by: Dumb Jerk I'd like to hear the MD elite crowd, esp. auditors and the like, to render an opinion. Who the hell are you to expect my opinion? You moronic poefda, get a grip and realise you need to stfu. Titan BPC Auction \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.18 23:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Dumb Jerk Originally by: Ji Sama Quoting for truth. Also i will be buying between 100-200 tickets over the weekend Lets see if we cant get the ball rolling :D Your quote from the main BIG thread. As of the writing of this post, you have not done so. Don't you trust BIG? I'd like to hear the MD elite crowd, esp. auditors and the like, to render an opinion. Well I am not into lotteries, I have said I would buy tickets, its just evalfs/protonpowers ipo came in the way, and I threw 1.75B that way. I will buy my tickets, as I have said. I just have obligations that are more important right now, as paying investments etc. :D When you grow up and become a big boy you will understand what i am talking about. But to make you happy :D 1B isk send to TS for 100 tickets...
cosmoray Bella Vista Holdings Corp	Posted - 2009.10.19 00:07:00 - [35] Originally by: Dumb Jerk Originally by: Ji Sama Quoting for truth. Also i will be buying between 100-200 tickets over the weekend Lets see if we cant get the ball rolling :D Your quote from the main BIG thread. As of the writing of this post, you have not done so. Don't you trust BIG? I'd like to hear the MD elite crowd, esp. auditors and the like, to render an opinion. Alright for the record: 1. It is NOT a SCAM 2. You read the rules before you played 3. TS has every right to not do a drawing until ALL tickets sold 4. If you didn't like rules you shouldn't have invested My other opinions: 1. I would have thought it would take ages to sell 300B in lottery tickets 2. I don't play lotteries 3. I don't agree with BMBE or BIG's approach to customers, but that is "my personal opinion" and TS has every right to stick to the rules as written If you hadn't already written of the 10M ticket cost when you entered, what were you thinking?
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.10.19 00:34:00 - [36] Originally by: Dumb Jerk I'd like to hear the MD elite crowd, esp. auditors and the like, to render an opinion. My opinion? You didn't read the contract before buying the ticket. I think TS is within the realms of his posted rule and guideline. Tools for Research Business
NoNah	Posted - 2009.10.19 03:59:00 - [37] Personally, I would feel scammed if he either altered the prizes(some have suggested down to a single titan for the 12k tickets sold) or refunded. Looking at it as an investment I've locked up isk in it knowing fullwell it would take time and it wouldn't payout in any other way than a win or a loss. If he now started refunding the ticketisk I would like interest on the money spent, being unable to use it for other things - and for no good what so ever. Obviously it's not reasonable for him to pay out interest. If a draw is held, I get exactly what I paid for, whenever it's drawn. There's a simple way of ending the lottery, buy out the remaining tickets. Personally I'm quite happy with the investment done. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 532044
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.10.19 05:03:00 - [38] Edited by: Brock Nelson on 19/10/2009 05:03:21 Originally by: NoNah Personally, I would feel scammed if he either altered the prizes(some have suggested down to a single titan for the 12k tickets sold) or refunded. Looking at it as an investment I've locked up isk in it knowing fullwell it would take time and it wouldn't payout in any other way than a win or a loss. If he now started refunding the ticketisk I would like interest on the money spent, being unable to use it for other things - and for no good what so ever. Obviously it's not reasonable for him to pay out interest. If a draw is held, I get exactly what I paid for, whenever it's drawn. There's a simple way of ending the lottery, buy out the remaining tickets. Personally I'm quite happy with the investment done. Um...it's a lottery. You risk either win it all or lose it all; it's a gamble, not an investment. Tools for Research Business
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.19 09:46:00 - [39] Quote: I'd like to hear the MD elite crowd, esp. auditors and the like, to render an opinion Don't include me (auditor) in the "MD elite" crowd, I resent that. Also, the tickets are a contract, with written terms. The lottery holder is sticking to the terms so it's not a scam, just an over-optimistically planned operation. It'll backfire, and the drop in future ticket buyers will be the "retribution" for being over-optimistic. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
RAW23	Posted - 2009.10.19 11:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Brock Nelson Edited by: Brock Nelson on 19/10/2009 05:03:21 Originally by: NoNah Personally, I would feel scammed if he either altered the prizes(some have suggested down to a single titan for the 12k tickets sold) or refunded. Looking at it as an investment I've locked up isk in it knowing fullwell it would take time and it wouldn't payout in any other way than a win or a loss. If he now started refunding the ticketisk I would like interest on the money spent, being unable to use it for other things - and for no good what so ever. Obviously it's not reasonable for him to pay out interest. If a draw is held, I get exactly what I paid for, whenever it's drawn. There's a simple way of ending the lottery, buy out the remaining tickets. Personally I'm quite happy with the investment done. Um...it's a lottery. You risk either win it all or lose it all; it's a gamble, not an investment. Any investment with a risk factor is a gamble; a lottery is no different. As with any other investment you calculate the risk vs. the potential return. The only difference is that in a lottery you know the risk of losing your investment is extremely high. However, as in this case that is normally balanced against an exceptionally high return if you don't lose your stake. In the UK there is a goverment run savings scheme called "Premium Bonds". You buy your bonds and each month all the bonds are entered into a draw that pays out various cash prizes up to a million pounds. This is as an alternative to interest payments and the one can expect to win over the long term are roughly approximate to what one would expect to earn in interest over the same period if the money were placed in another form of savings. Also, I understand that stock brokers hedge their deals by gambling on the market using spread betting firms. And Von Neuman and Morgenstern's "Theory of Games and Economic Behaviour" strongly suggests that that gambling and trading/investment are isomorphic, at least as far as strategy is concerned.
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.19 15:52:00 - [41] I think this whole endeavor was badly planned. The fact that there is no escape clause, time limit, or other alternative option is just unfortunate. What I wonder, is when will the titan producers pull a plug on this. Or if they even can at this point.
AFT3RM4TH	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:35:00 - [42] This is a good lesson learned. Read the fine print carefully! At least you only lost a few isk (which truthfully you really didnt lose) then losing thousands in RL currency.
Dumb Jerk	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:41:00 - [43] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Don't include me (auditor) in the "MD elite" crowd, I resent that. (other reasonable statements presented in a calm, respectful tone) I'm sorry, I honestly didn't realize that it was an insult. You have my apologies. Thank you for your measured tone and a reasoned evaluation of the situation. If only there were more dispassionate discussion in the forums...
Ray McCormack Kisoken Innovations	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:05:00 - [44] Originally by: Dumb Jerk Thank you for your measured tone and a reasoned evaluation of the situation. If only there were more dispassionate discussion in the forums... lol? Titan BPC Auction \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:45:00 - [45] IMO lets just stop feeding it, it will go away...
Dumb Jerk	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Ji Sama IMO lets just stop feeding it, it will go away... Sorry, but I'm not a fan of yours either. And, under no circumstances will I stop. You can be absolutely certain that I will continue to monitor the situation closely and comment upon it until it is resolved. I'm not sure if you've checked the main thread yet, but I still don't see your 100 tickets listed. I don't suppose you "forgot" something between posting to the thread and hitting the Give Money button?
Dear Abby Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:23:00 - [47] Originally by: Testiteppo I have 17m can I help? yes buy some lottery tickets.
TornSoul BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Dario Wall Torn should have thought about all the possible outcomes, and taken in to account the possibility of not selling all the tickets. Well... FWIW : Quote: [19:02] <TornSoul\|BIG> http://bttl.big-eve.com/Default.aspx [19:02] <TornSoul\|BIG> take a look at the site [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> The BIG "Tripple Titan" Lottery ends saturday, <a date>() OR when 30,000 tickets have been sold. [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> want a diff date? [19:03] <xxx> dont put date imho [19:03] <xxx> in case something goes wrong [19:03] <xxx> ie too slow selling [19:03] <xxx> we wouldnt want anyone to cross the word [19:03] <xxx> or finish with minus :D [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> k [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> I'll remove the date () Actual date removed to avoid discussions about the actual date (Which by now is long past) As Ray has already said/repeated Originally by: Ray McCormack I don't see what the problem is here. My understanding of the situation is that some producer(s) approached TS asking him to raffle off their products. They established and agreed on a lottery format. It's going a bit slower than some may like, that's certainly not TS's fault. As some have stated he's a stickler for the rules, and will stick to his word tighter than any equivalent metaphor, despite and in spite of all the criticism. However it's clear it's not his choice to change the format. BIG Lottery
Kalrand Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:47:00 - [49] Originally by: TornSoul [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> The BIG "Tripple Titan" Lottery ends saturday, <a date>(*) OR when 30,000 tickets have been sold. [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> want a diff date? [19:03] <xxx> dont put date imho The comment above where I said this was badly planned, I'd like to apologize for that. Your clients seem to be idiots though.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:58:00 - [50] Originally by: Dumb Jerk Originally by: Ji Sama IMO lets just stop feeding it, it will go away... Sorry, but I'm not a fan of yours either. And, under no circumstances will I stop. You can be absolutely certain that I will continue to monitor the situation closely and comment upon it until it is resolved. I'm not sure if you've checked the main thread yet, but I still don't see your 100 tickets listed. I don't suppose you "forgot" something between posting to the thread and hitting the Give Money button? No mister Jerk, i just accedently the one billion to TS, instead of BIGgames.. It then blew up the whole computer.... My parry goes to the farther, who kills babby when babby cant friggith back.
Dumb Jerk	Posted - 2009.10.20 17:55:00 - [51] Ji Sama, I have no idea what you're trying to convey. Will you be buying the tickets as you said you would? If not, I hope you'll be an exemplar of honesty and edit your posts that say you will buy the tickets. Esp. the one in the BIG thread, which might give people the impression that the lottery is selling better than it actually is. Torn (or Ji or Daemonspirit or whoever), I fail to see how purported chat logs explicate the situation. After all you've said and done to date, I can't imagine why anyone would accept them as real. Not least because it appears that you've forgotten seconds in the time stamps.
Ray McCormack Kisoken Innovations	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:05:00 - [52] Originally by: Dumb Jerk After all you've said and done to date What TS has done to date (over the past 6 years+) makes him one of the most trusted, most consistent individuals in this game. Originally by: Dumb Jerk Not least because it appears that you've forgotten seconds in the time stamps. Those are IRC chat logs, as can be seen from the \|BIG tag, and depending on your client and setup you won't necessarily see seconds. Titan BPC Auction \| Some people call me the space cowboy, yeah
Trustworthy Joe	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:06:00 - [53] Originally by: Dumb Jerk Ji Sama, I have no idea what you're trying to convey. Will you be buying the tickets as you said you would? If not, I hope you'll be an exemplar of honesty and edit your posts that say you will buy the tickets. Esp. the one in the BIG thread, which might give people the impression that the lottery is selling better than it actually is. Torn (or Ji or Daemonspirit or whoever), I fail to see how purported chat logs explicate the situation. After all you've said and done to date, I can't imagine why anyone would accept them as real. Not least because it appears that you've forgotten seconds in the time stamps. heres a thought: maybe Ji used an alt. doesnt that make sense Mr. alt? i mean after all, Ji is currently running businesses, and the less wallet logs the better. besides, its nothing a goon like you could understand. keep at it TS want a sig? thats great! post it in response to my posts!
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.20 18:41:00 - [54] Not only is he a troll, he is also a ******ed troll... I said i wired the 1b isk, i said i wired them by accident to TS instead og BIGgames. The situation is under control, everything is ok. Move along now!
Dumb Jerk	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:26:00 - [55] Edited by: Dumb Jerk on 20/10/2009 20:35:34 Originally by: Ji Sama I am an idiot. I wired the 1b isk, i said i wired them by accident to TS instead og BIGgames. The situation is under control, everything is ok. Pretend like I'm not obviously lying! And yet the ticket log shows no purchase of 100 tickets. And until it does, its obvious you're not telling the truth. edit: almost forgot ya Mc. It doesn't matter where the supposed log text came from when you cut, paste, and edit it. Here's some log text; I swear its real: [19:02] <TornSoul\|BIG> http://bttl.big-eve.com/Default.aspx [19:02] <TornSoul\|BIG> take a look at the site [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> The BIG "Tripple Titan" Lottery will earn us serious ISK. [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> want a piece of the action? [19:03] <xxx> A date will limit us. dont put date on the website [19:03] <xxx> so no one can claim we're scamming them [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> yeah, we need to be able to hold the ISK indefinitely [19:03] <xxx> can't give anyone chance to say its a scam. just poorly worded contract. [19:03] <xxx> we wouldnt want anyone to have recourse for getting isk back [19:03] <xxx> that would suck:D [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> k [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> I'll remove the date. How about a side bet? I bet 1 billion isk we can keep this thing going for at least a year. What do you think? It must be real, right? I mean, its right there on the screen.
Solisk Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics New Eden Retail Federation	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Dumb Jerk Edited by: Dumb Jerk on 20/10/2009 20:35:34 Originally by: Ji Sama I am an idiot. I wired the 1b isk, i said i wired them by accident to TS instead og BIGgames. The situation is under control, everything is ok. Pretend like I'm not obviously lying! And yet the ticket log shows no purchase of 100 tickets. And until it does, its obvious you're not telling the truth. edit: almost forgot ya Mc. It doesn't matter where the supposed log text came from when you cut, paste, and edit it. Here's some log text; I swear its real: [19:02] <TornSoul\|BIG> http://bttl.big-eve.com/Default.aspx [19:02] <TornSoul\|BIG> take a look at the site [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> The BIG "Tripple Titan" Lottery will earn us serious ISK. [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> want a piece of the action? [19:03] <xxx> A date will limit us. dont put date on the website [19:03] <xxx> so no one can claim we're scamming them [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> yeah, we need to be able to hold the ISK indefinitely [19:03] <xxx> can't give anyone chance to say its a scam. just poorly worded contract. [19:03] <xxx> we wouldnt want anyone to have recourse for getting isk back [19:03] <xxx> that would suck:D [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> k [19:03] <TornSoul\|BIG> I'll remove the date. How about a side bet? I bet 1 billion isk we can keep this thing going for at least a year. What do you think? It must be real, right? I mean, its right there on the screen. Is this the lottery equivalent of someone *****ing about Ebank or a scam offering? 1. The rules were posted before you purchased your ticket. 2. You read the rules. 3. You purchased tickets. 4. The 30,000 tickets have not been completely sold out yet. 5. Stop being such a cry-ass and let it run its course. The rules said no refunds, correct? If the tickets don't sell and TS decides to refund the money, I wouldn't consider it in bad form at all if he withheld your refund for the lulz.
Ji Sama Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Dumb Jerk Edited by: Dumb Jerk on 20/10/2009 20:35:34 Originally by: Ji Sama I am an idiot. I wired the 1b isk, i said i wired them by accident to TS instead og BIGgames. The situation is under control, everything is ok. Pretend like I'm not obviously lying! And yet the ticket log shows no purchase of 100 tickets. And until it does, its obvious you're not telling the truth. Its obvious you dont know anything. I am telling the truth! And that is a fact.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:16:00 - [58] Originally by: Dumb Jerk At what point would MD and the like consider it to be a total failure or scam? This MD peon would consider it a total failure and a scam when it sold the first ticket.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:37:00 - [59] I want the 20 IQ I lost by reading the OP's posts back. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
MeNoLikee	Posted - 2009.10.21 06:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I want the 20 IQ I lost by reading the OP's posts back. You crap on this board all the time. When you give me back my time?

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