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Larkonis TrassIer Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:05:00 - [31] This thread is shaping up to be pretty good... I don't even know where to start. For those who haven't realised it yet, you've all been trolled massively by a dainty little Azn girl. Grats. Through your ignorance and short sightedness you've pretty much allowed it to happen. /whiteknight As for the other 'issues' here. 4/9 current CSM members are from big 0.0 entities, hardly dominating it. And it's only right in some ways as 0.0 is the supposed 'endgame'. Of course these people are going to be able to generate lots of support and lots of political capital quickly. If you're unhappy about it then make more contacts in game or QQ more and get back in your hugbox. If you have a problem with the way things are being done then either run yourself, try and make some constructive posts or cancel your sub. Making inflamatory and ill informed posts just makes y'all look like mongs and if this forum is filled with flamebait then noone will see any of the constructive posts. With reference to the 'thumbs up' and Maz's post. The 3 supports are all from individuals, most of the 100 or so posts on that thread were made by a dozen or so people. The system in it's current form is a bit broken. I forwarded issues which didn't have 'majority' support or even much support at all. The forum interface especially with regards to the CSM stuff is pretty woeful and should hopefully get a revamp with Spacebook/COSMOS. Blame CCP For that, not us. As for the old 'what has the CSM done for us!?!?!?!' crowd. It's barely been active for 18 months. We're only just starting to see the labours of CSM 1 come to light. It's not a case of raising an issue, CCP rubber stamping it and then getting it in the next hotfix. Regardless, you should all grow up a bit. The amount of nerdrage your are generating over a quasi political advisory group in an internet spaceships game is staggering. It's like The Phantom Menace all over again. Next thing you know we'll be having RL assassinations with delegates keeling over left right and centre, the victims of snipers, poinsoners and bomb makers.
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Ernest Borgnine It goes against every principle of Democracy that goons of all people should be allowed to be voted in and the fact there's even representatives from PL just goes to show how broken the system is. CCP should ban them all. Woah now. I wouldn't go that far. IMO the Goons have just as much right to be in EvE as anyone else. The fact that they have multiple guaranteed seats on the CSM is what troubles me. Anyways, what I would like to see happen is a change in the way CSMs bring up issues to CCP, instead of bringing whatever they feel like. I would like to see them given forum tools to set up polls. A CSM would review all the threads regarding an issue, condense and rewrite it into an intelligent and unbiased format, and set one-click voting options. Those with high vote counts would be allowed to be brought up while blatant self serving issues with nearly zero public support will not be allowed for discussion coughmazzilliucough The fact that this thread is actually getting supports should be evident enough (hey I'm just as surprised as you are ) BTW, CSMs should be held accountable for their words and behavior on the forums. I cringe when I see an elected CSM trolling and behaving badly. It's shameful. It tarnishes the CSM credibility and brings upset and negative attitudes towards the whole process. Trolling and general asshat-ery behavior from a CSM should warrant closer CCP observation and possible review to dismiss. You want to be an official representative of the playerbase, start behaving as such. __________________________________ Want to help fix the CSM process? Show your support here.
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.19 16:53:00 - [33] Originally by: Dirty Wizard BTW, CSMs should be held accountable for their words and behavior on the forums. I cringe when I see an elected CSM trolling and behaving badly. It's shameful. It tarnishes the CSM credibility and brings upset and negative attitudes towards the whole process. Trolling and general asshat-ery behavior from a CSM should warrant closer CCP observation and possible review to dismiss. You want to be an official representative of the playerbase, start behaving as such. HONOURE (I like the way Mazz represents me, btw~)
Traidor Disloyal Private Nuisance	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:08:00 - [34] Originally by: De'Veldrin If the members of the CSM themselves are going to treat the position like a joke, dump it. I'd rather CCP spent my subscription money on new hardware than sending asshats like Mazz to Iceland so she can be an attention *** in RL as well as pixel land. Right here, what De'Veldrin, wrote is how I feel. If the position is going to be treated has a joke then put em all in clown suits so we can at least get a laugh at em when they do the CSM panel at the Fan Fest. Drive a little car on stage and have the CSM reps all bail out of it beeping each others noses and throwing pies at each other. *********************************************** I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Drive a little car on stage and have the CSM reps all bail out of it beeping each others noses and throwing pies at each other. Okay, now this I can totally support.
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.19 17:40:00 - [36] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 19/10/2009 17:39:58 Yes... the CSM has totally become a laughing stock of EVE Online. Supported. Looks like PL has become the new Goonswarm... heh. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Raivi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:27:00 - [37] Edited by: Raivi on 19/10/2009 18:28:08 Originally by: Dirty Wizard Trolling and general asshat-ery behavior from a CSM should warrant closer CCP observation and possible review to dismiss. You want to be an official representative of the playerbase, start behaving as such. I completely agree. The CSM should be representative of the needs and views of the voters. As a avid troll and dedicated voter, the fact that some of the CSM members don't troll is offensive to my sensibilities, political/moral beliefs, religion and sexuality. ---------------------------------------------
Raivi Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.19 18:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Traidor Disloyal put em all in clown suits so we can at least get a laugh at em when they do the CSM panel at the Fan Fest. Drive a little car on stage and have the CSM reps all bail out of it beeping each others noses and throwing pies at each other. Oh oh oh please this. WTB picture/video of Vuk Lau in a clown suit ---------------------------------------------
Fille Balle Ballbreakers R us	Posted - 2009.10.19 19:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Drake Draconis Agreed... but the problem remains none-the-less. Even If I was to run and (possibly) could pull it off as I have a bit of an ace up my sleeve support wise. <.<;;; (Don't look so shocked... just because you hate my guts doesn't mean there's isn't a large contingent of people who do like me : O P ) I don't think its worth the effort or trouble in all honesty. That should say something to you people... think about that for a bit. For starters... the CSM has no checksum in place for crap that mazz pulls. One voice against a pile of CSM's who abuse that power is not going to help me whether I'm In it or not. Secondly... the obvious brick wall of communication is likely NDA's and that's not good for someone (such as myself) who scream in the face of stupidity. Thirdly... I'm a rather contrary person... people don't like me because I don't hesitate to shine a 100 million candle spotlight in your face if your a moron. Not likely to win points there... even for the fact that I would never pull the crap mazz did... or lark (which was minor in comparison IMHO which should have cost Lark more than he had to pay but mazz did far worse). CCP should enforce a strict set of rules concerning the submission of ideas and the process of which they are benched. And I refuse to accept Mazz's "Pathetic" excuse for why she pushed it forward without proof from CCP itself. None of that NDA bull####. I would support this proposal under normal circumstances but Bunyip has a valid point. So I'm torn at the moment... but I agree... there is a serious problem... and it needs to be resolved... pronto. IF they can bring any idea to the front of the list with minimal to ZERO public support... the CSM should likely be shut down and scrapped to be replaced by something with a little more accountability than it has today. Not an easy thing to fix to be sure. This is supposed to be (I REALLY HATE USING THIS WORD) Democratic process in which people bring forth ideas... they are critiqued... tested... and then the CSM votes those things that are popular. But this is nothing.... the CSM are praticually dictators who agree to cooperate and vote on things.... we are just the peanut gallery who have no sway or control over the situation. They choose to listen or to ignore... or laugh at us. That's not how this is supposed to work... If CCP intended to push this forward they would have never have bothered with the CSM in the FIRST PLACE. They would bypass them entirely... after all they are in charge and at large. So all it comes down to is this... if the CSM is really who they are... then who do they answer to? Sure as hell ain't us. I'd vote for you To OP: Sorry, but that's all I have to say on this matter. Thank you.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:17:00 - [40] hey guys i've had the best idea ever. pay me, and i'll raise whatever pet issue you want. it can even be a really stupid issue. or even this one. to make this scam proof, i am going to ask to get paid at the rate of one 30 day PLEX license per assembly hall thread. so if i end up going back on my word, youall can ban me! i'm going to set the deadline at the 25th of october for this BUY A PIECE OF HISTORY TODAY MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Supwithdat	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:24:00 - [41] Awesome idea. I got this thing I want you to take up with CCP. How about having some filter function on the forum, so that players that are easily trolled can't respond to a post for, say, 30 minutes or so, giving them enough time to think about the post they read? Meh, who am I fooling, some people are too dumb to know they are being trolled, and would probably never catch it.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre REIGN Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.19 20:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Fille Balle I'd vote for you To OP: Sorry, but that's all I have to say on this matter. Thank you. You serious? I'd figure you've grown tired of me. :) ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Hubris Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:14:00 - [43] i am so outraged by this CSM and its level of corruption because of mazzilliu. I put all the data into this graph and as you can see the level of corruption is growing and spiraling out of control in direct relation to how many posts mazzilliu makes in this forum. It will be SO out of control that CCP will no longer be able to control the csm reps. They will build mazzilliu a throne room with a niffty gold chair, that has massage built in even!!!! CCP employees will be forced to bring mazzilliu offerings of pineapples, brandy and icecream. Or face mazzilliu's wrath. I may have to create a totally new thread so we can really get to the bottom of this and get rid of mazzilliu forever. Or the spiral may continue and engulf all of eve. The repercussions of this could cause tens of thousands of people (in real life) to only give up and down thumbs as answers. Then because some gangs may think they are throwing gang signs the gangs will "cap them in their nerdy asses". I for one do not want to get a capped in my nerdy ass. SO SUPPORT THIS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . - uncensored eve discussion and battle reports www.BattleDB.com
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.19 22:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Drake Draconis Looks like PL has become the new Goonswarm... heh. Welcome to a year and a half ago. I don't want to upset you, but nanos are going to get nerfed. :(
Captain Thunk Sniggerdly	Posted - 2009.10.19 23:28:00 - [45] Originally by: Dirty Wizard Somehow this "issue", despite receiving less than 1% thread support, made it onto the table with CCP. Isn't the whole purpose of the CSM Process to represent player interests and bringing them to CCP in an intelligent and structured presentation? Can anyone honestly say this CSM is speaking on the players behalf? Popularity has absolutely nothing to do with whether an idea is good or good for Eve. Bear in mind it was the playerbase that absolutely insisted to CCP by overwhelming popular support to have can flagging introduced to the game. They were warned what would happen but they demanded it. So it was introduced and the people that demanded it got blown up in hillariously comic fashion as a direct result. Also, if you had the courage of your convictions you wouldn't be posting on a 2 month old alt
Jason Edwards Internet Tough Guy	Posted - 2009.10.19 23:29:00 - [46] If you first realize the purpose of the csm. The point becomes fairly moot. CSM exists because of PR. Before the CSM... any issue unfixed for 3-5 years is BAD CCP. Now... WHY ISNT THE CSM DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. BAD CSM. No point doing anything tbh. Just dont vote for mazz. csm voting should be soon. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded.
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2009.10.20 00:56:00 - [47] I agree with the sentiment, but it's not the system at fault, it's the players who aren't using it to begin with that are. With only ~10% voter turnout to date, there's plenty of scope for you to make some friends of your own and vote for somebody else you like instead. /Ben
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.10.20 03:06:00 - [48] Edited by: Dirty Wizard on 20/10/2009 03:06:35 Originally by: Captain Thunk Also, if you had the courage of your convictions you wouldn't be posting on a 2 month old alt The only motivation behind calling out an alt is to tailor personal attacks against them. I deprive you of this ammunition. And I find it a little humorous that most of the attacks in this thread stem from sniggerdly and PL. You guys mad? __________________________________ Want to help fix the CSM process? Show your support here.
Dianeces The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.20 03:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Dirty Wizard And I find it a little humorous that most of the attacks in this thread stem from sniggerdly and PL. You guys mad? we are v. mad because our grand plan to sieze control of the csm has been foiled by this very thread
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.20 04:04:00 - [50] Edited by: mazzilliu on 20/10/2009 04:04:29 Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Dirty Wizard And I find it a little humorous that most of the attacks in this thread stem from sniggerdly and PL. You guys mad? we are v. mad because our grand plan to sieze control of the csm has been foiled by this very thread posting legion. the posts made by PL are probably as genuine as those made by the OP(ridiculously genuine). also hubris's graph is the best. the mazzilliu throne room will be my next CSM proposal MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.10.20 04:14:00 - [51] Edited by: Dirty Wizard on 20/10/2009 04:15:46 Mazzilliu you do understand your incessant trolling makes the CSMs as a whole look bad, right? In all seriousness. Are you deliberately trying to tarnish the CSMs already battered public reputation? If so, it just further reinforces the need for reform. __________________________________ Want to help fix the CSM process? Show your support here.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.20 04:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Dirty Wizard Edited by: Dirty Wizard on 20/10/2009 04:15:46 Mazzilliu you do understand your incessant trolling makes the CSMs as a whole look bad, right? In all seriousness. Are you deliberately trying to tarnish the CSMs already battered public reputation? If so, it just further reinforces the need for reform. it's ok, i have hired an entire legion of poasting mercenaries to whitewash my legacy so history will remember me as the best csm to ever walk this space video game(and also a girl in real life(the best girl)). as for you, you should probably rum for csm and then raise this issue and disband it from the inside. a self destructing csm would be pretty funny MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Herschel Yamamoto Agent-Orange	Posted - 2009.10.20 04:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Dirty Wizard Mazzilliu you do understand your incessant trolling makes the CSMs as a whole look bad, right? In all seriousness. Are you deliberately trying to tarnish the CSMs already battered public reputation? If so, it just further reinforces the need for reform. Thing is, she's doing it on the Assembly Hall. We already know the dirty truth. Can the opinion people here have of the CSM really get any worse?
Dirty Wizard	Posted - 2009.10.20 04:52:00 - [54] Edited by: Dirty Wizard on 20/10/2009 04:55:28 Originally by: mazzilliu as for you, you should probably rum for csm and then raise this issue and disband it from the inside. a self destructing csm would be pretty funny First, I can never run for CSM as I am on active duty. Second, the purpose of this thread is NOT to destroy the CSM. To the contrary. The intended purpose of this thread is to bring reform with checks and balances so black sheep incidents like you and Larkonis never happen again. Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Thing is, she's doing it on the Assembly Hall. We already know the dirty truth. Can the opinion people here have of the CSM really get any worse? Doubtful IMO. I can only wonder what's going through the heads of the other CSMs. __________________________________ Want to help fix the CSM process? Show your support here.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.20 05:00:00 - [55] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Dirty Wizard Mazzilliu you do understand your incessant trolling makes the CSMs as a whole look bad, right? In all seriousness. Are you deliberately trying to tarnish the CSMs already battered public reputation? If so, it just further reinforces the need for reform. Thing is, she's doing it on the Assembly Hall. We already know the dirty truth. Can the opinion people here have of the CSM really get any worse? i dont think the opinion of the CSM in the assembly hall was ever positive. everywhere else(ingame, within corps, average eve players like joe the pirate, members of REAL EVE-MARICA) people seem a bit more chill about it but on eve-o even innocuous posts about the csm itself attract whining about the CSM like flies to poop. as such, i am trying to decide whether my fall campaign should be sarah palin themed or obama themed again and which will generate more whining. in before "it was all fine before MAZZ RUINED EVERYTHING" posts MAZZILLIU 2009. CHANGE I CAN IMPOSE ON YOU.
Issler Dainze Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2009.10.20 05:08:00 - [56] I can see where it would be easy (particularly after some of the CSM 3 actions) to become cynical about the CSM process. That said I think the solution lies in greater player participation. More and better candidates. Holding CCP and the CSM accountable for their actions (or inaction). Getting the word out in game to all the players that aren't in big alliances or associated with the 0.0 end game that they need to find a candidate to support. I don't have any connections to big alliances or 0.0 politics and represented just those players I just suggested should rally to become involved. I was elected to CSM 2 and got nearly 1000 votes in the last election despite RL time conflicts that prevented any real effort for election to CSM 3. (and thanks to Lark got to be in the CSM 3 anyways! ) So one thing I posted repeatedly last election was to really look at who you were voting for. I hope that the importance of that suggestions is now particularly clear! In at least two cases folks were elected that made it pretty clear that taking the job seriously wasn't really their focus. And you know what, they acted pretty much like they promised. So please consider being part of the solution to fix the problems you see in the CSM. Participate! Run! Or challenge candidates that have shown a lack of character or that have made the primary focus of their campaign the ownership of mammary glands. And get other people to do the same! The CSM is only as good as you choose to make it. I'm going to give this a "thumb", not so much to throw out the current process but as a call to action for all the pilots of Eve to join in making the CSM better! Issler
Argonis Valentio Senex Legio	Posted - 2009.10.20 09:09:00 - [57] Originally by: mazzilliu Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto Originally by: Dirty Wizard Mazzilliu you do understand your incessant trolling makes the CSMs as a whole look bad, right? In all seriousness. Are you deliberately trying to tarnish the CSMs already battered public reputation? If so, it just further reinforces the need for reform. Thing is, she's doing it on the Assembly Hall. We already know the dirty truth. Can the opinion people here have of the CSM really get any worse? i dont think the opinion of the CSM in the assembly hall was ever positive. everywhere else(ingame, within corps, average eve players like joe the pirate, members of REAL EVE-MARICA) people seem a bit more chill about it but on eve-o even innocuous posts about the csm itself attract whining about the CSM like flies to poop. as such, i am trying to decide whether my fall campaign should be sarah palin themed or obama themed again and which will generate more whining. in before "it was all fine before MAZZ RUINED EVERYTHING" posts You did ruin everything, EVE is a much worse place to live after the short reign of Mazzulliu. Just yesterday I heard a little Caldari boy quote, "Mazzilliu killed my mumma, puppa, brudahs and those other things. She stolez my c4ndi too." So I asked the little boy why she did those things, "Mazzilliu is da debbil, the pur3 eveel that be sh3 makes justece dead cold." There we have it people, the devil, the tyrant, the witch - Mazzilliu. On other news, Mazzilliu's reign of terror and suppression is over! crowd roars Anyway, I'm for disbanding CSM. I would like to disband CSM because CCP is not correct 100% of the time, and this is one of those times (just look at certificates LMFAO). I would also like to see CSM disbanded because its a clear separation of the classes and we can't have that, it would lead to possible discrimination, for example - Mazz is one of those Council of Sin Management delegates, or was! I will never associate with that CSMer! Yeah I believe I'm drunk, but hey! You have to put up with it yarr
Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.10.20 10:45:00 - [58] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale All I hear is bawwwwww What he said.
Captain Thunk Sniggerdly	Posted - 2009.10.20 11:51:00 - [59] Originally by: Dirty Wizard The only motivation behind calling out an alt is to tailor personal attacks against them. I deprive you of this ammunition. Your character Dirty Wizard has a long posting history in Assembly Hall, are you seriously saying you made a specific alt to post here while protecting your mains identity? Afraid of 'political assassinations'? The problem isn't with the CSM, it's with you taking ingame internet spaceship politics way too seriously. Whether you like it or not, being flown out to Iceland every now and then is a perk of being elected to what is a time consuming and volountary position. There's no actual need for CCP to do this, it's offered as an incentive to stand. Personally, I suspect your motives and your behaviour. It seems too much of a coincidence you've singled out Goons and PL for reform while trying to hide who you actually are behind an alt created specifically for this very purpose. The only motivation behind using an alt is to mask your own alliance based political affiliations.
HELIC0N ONE GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.10.20 11:52:00 - [60] waaaaaaaa why is the CSM not giving ME the RESPECT I DESERVE waaaaaaa (this thread owns)

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