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2)Shadowbane: a fantastic non-consensual PVP hardcore only game, only not enough MMO players signed up, because carebears refused to subscribe to it, the game died.

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Originally by: Eternal Bellend

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4)WOW û just because a game makes millions DOES NOT MEAN ITS ANY GOOD. This game has destroyed so much about MMOS: instances, PVE servers, arenas and battlegrounds, no death penalty. I mean its chess online with nurse to wipe away your carebear tears when you fall over and get hurt. Just tell me why do over 10 million people pay for it making Blizzard one of the MOST COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL MMO COMPANIES IN HISTORY, just why?

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Originally by: Eternal Bellend

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ii)If you ainÆt got a CEO screaming at you to be on a 0.0 gate camp shift for 12 hours or an 8 hour small fleet roam you are in the wrong game.
iii)Pounding an enemy POS for 12 hours.

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Originally by: BurnHard

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Edited by: BurnHard on 19/10/2009 14:17:21
Edited by: BurnHard on 19/10/2009 14:15:29
Lol?

Point 1: you demonstrate here how popular PvE activity is in an MMO by showing how, when you separate PvE from PvP, everybody heads over to the PvE server and nobody shows up on the PvP server.

Point 2: again, you demonstrate here how a game will eventually die if it caters only to PvP players and ignores PvE.

Point 3: i've no idea about that but I'm pretty sure it didn't die for that reason alone. Much like the space based MMO around just before Eve came out (I can't remember its name, but I do remember The Enslaver played it!), it probably died because a better alternative came out.

Point 4: yes, just why are Blizzard one of the MOST COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL MMO COMPANIES IN HISTORY, just why?

I also started in 2003. I remember the unrestricted PvP very well, especially in high sec (moo, space invaders, etc.). I'm guessing if CCP hadn't put in gate guns and concord, the servers would have shut down a very long time ago. But anyway, on the whole, you've proven the point you've tried to disprove: if a commercial entity wants to survive in MMO space, it's got to provide PvE content and viable limitations on the opportunities for grief, at least for a good proportion of its paying player base.

EDIT: I'm sorry, I didn't realise this was an irony post. I should have read down!

LOOOOOOOL.

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Originally by: Eternal Bellend

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Yep this is indeed a parody post and thank you to those who got the joke and took the time to respond in kind. I am not an alt of Bellum and I am deeply flattered that so many thought I was.

Bellum thank you for taking it in the spirit that it was intended, it is appreciated.

In my real EVE life my main (nope not saying who that is) has been in and out of this game since 2003 and is a 100% carebear mission runner, so scared of NPCs that it took me months and months of playing before I tried level 3s never mind level 4s. I still have no clue what many of the modules do and much of the EVE interface remains a mystery. With Eternal I ran through the new tutorials and learnt stuff (you can drag and drop with the skill queue - WOW).

Since the beginning I have seen many many PVP versus PVE posts, some made good suggestions but many have been pointless. EVE is a big sandbox and a big universe with room enough for everyone. Not everything is balanced and EVE is rarely a win win game; at best it can be a zero sum (someone wins because someone loses) with a small margin. On the PVP\PVE argument I have never liked the extremes from both sides, too often people fail to "walk a mile in the other's shoes" and see their point of view. On the PVE side I love L4s but they are an ISK printing machine and once you have scrapmetal processing 4\5 why would you mine? On the PVP side I have seen players just burn out because of the demands of 0.0 alliances - EVE is a game for fun and not a second job of 8 hour shifts "on the line - for the corp" (you can join the real marines for that).

On both sides there are some thin skins. When I posted the parody my fear was that it would be the PVPers who would take umbrage, instead as a PVEer I am humbled that they have seen the humour. I wish all the PVEers could have to. So maybe we should all chill a bit more, keep the e-peen in the trousers, and remember we all have one thing in common - we love EVE.

I will be keeping Eternal and the corp name (best 1.5 million ISK I ever spent) and using him for FW and to learn PVP, funded by my carebear main. His skills will be crap so he should not be too difficult to make go pop.

Fly safe, and be good. If you can't be good then be careful!

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Originally by: Sentious Trill

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"Lets save this great game, lets demand a return to the 2003 rule set; we may only have 5000 online but it will be 5000 who know that this game is truly about."

Don't we have like 5000 or so pvp players who live in low and null sec space?

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Originally by: Throckbane

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Obvious troll is obvious.

Either way, +1 for mention of Shadowbane, best game ever. Shadowbane didn't die because of carebears (I'm a converted carebear because of that game), it died because it had more bugs than the neighborhood hooker, and the learning curve was even more intense than Eve.

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