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Eternal Bellend
L33T Death's Head Carebear K1LL3R5
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:25:00 -
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I think that all right thinking EVE players recognise that the game is in crisis, is in risk of dying or becoming a WOW clone as it moves more and more from its original design concept. We the players have been BETRAYED by CCP as they continue to pander to the carebear ôgive it to me now without thinking or working mentalityö.
As has been stated before by some great pro-PVP posters (personal heroes of mine) the carebears have destroyed every MMO game and are doing the same to EVE. So lets look at some of the UNDISPUTABLE facts about carebears impact on MMOs:
1)They destroyed the great original MMO Ultima Online, because of their incessant whining about ôgriefersö, because they could not stand up to the mark and be hardcore PVP, the game was split into Felucca (the great original rule set) and wussy ***** carebear heaven Trammel. The result was that the game died overnight, Felucca rule set servers were COMPLETELY EMPTY. Trammel just continued and grew as players did their carebear activities of dungeon crawling, crafting and gear shopping. The original UO is dead it has become the ôSIMS Onlineö.
2)Shadowbane: a fantastic non-consensual PVP hardcore only game, only not enough MMO players signed up, because carebears refused to subscribe to it, the game died.
3)AOC started with hardcore PVP servers but because of complaints have introduced PVP game breaking rules around honour killing, murderer labelling etc. The result is more carebear wussy ***** players on those servers destroying the game concept by hiding behind NPC policemen. Another great PVP experience destroyed and these servers now have MORE THAN 200 players on them.
4)WOW û just because a game makes millions DOES NOT MEAN ITS ANY GOOD. This game has destroyed so much about MMOS: instances, PVE servers, arenas and battlegrounds, no death penalty. I mean its chess online with nurse to wipe away your carebear tears when you fall over and get hurt. Just tell me why do over 10 million people pay for it making Blizzard one of the MOST COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL MMO COMPANIES IN HISTORY, just why?
Now lets look at EVE. I started in 2003 (on another character) and it was a truly fantastic open PVP activity. There was no CONCORD, gate guns, WTZ, penalties to module stacking etc. In a T1 frigate or cruiser you could really get out there and ruin someoneÆs day. For example lets think of the great and never imitated MOO corp, what a great bunch of guys who really knew what EVE was about. To remind us:
a)They gate camped even hi-sec and blew away every new noob who was stupid enough to jump through. HARDCORE!
b)They dumped cans around gates to cause lag so by the time the screen loaded you were in your clone. LOL
c)They used the poor EVE code and rule set to make their weapons mega-powerful (long range, stacked modules). So POP went the noobs pod at 200KM. ***** and giggles.
d)Again because of poor code they duped ISK meaning they had the best and biggest ships before anyone else.
e)They were truly committed, being on 24 hours a day in shifts; hardcore PVP. Not for them the carebear nuisance of RL jobs, friends and families. They knew where their loyalties and commitment lay û to EVE pixels and an online heroism.
f)Fantastic threads against all the carebear wussies who shouted about griefing. On the EVE box it said you could be a pirate so ôrole-playö pirates they were. These legendary threads went on for pages over weeks and months. And they won everyone, hands down, no argument!!!!
Then the rot set, in game CEOs threatened to leave. I mean the game had started with 6000 online and it fell to under 5000. CCP thought about their wallets, pay checks and bonuses and gave in.
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MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:31:00 -
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Holy crap!  .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Eternal Bellend
L33T Death's Head Carebear K1LL3R5
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:31:00 -
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Part 2
In came Concord, gate guns and other PVP game breaking mechanisms. Then they fixed the missions giving carebears some PVE to do. In the old game if you didnÆt PVP then GTF mining in your puny Imicus for a few months until you could buy a real ship. It has been down hill since then; no escrow and contracting scamming made more difficult, WTZ, industry expansion, LP stores etc etc.
And where has this got EVE exactly? Yeah I mean 45000 players logged on and a thriving economy and player base but NONE of these people have any idea what the game should be about, so lets remind them:
i)Harcore PVP or GTFO.
ii)If you ainÆt got a CEO screaming at you to be on a 0.0 gate camp shift for 12 hours or an 8 hour small fleet roam you are in the wrong game.
iii)Pounding an enemy POS for 12 hours.
iv)Smack talking people with YOUR SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE, IN GAME KNOWLEDGE AND COMMITMENT.
v)REMEMBER IN PVP EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU IS A USELESS NOOB.
So lets put the carebear whines about suicide ganking, can flipping, ninja looting in the cry baby dustbin they deserve. So lets stop the molly coddling and has been said in another thread
- this game is about hardcore PVP independent minded and free thinking players who DEMAND THAT ALL PEOPLE PLAY AS WE DO OR GTFO.
Lets save this great game, lets demand a return to the 2003 rule set; we may only have 5000 online but it will be 5000 who know that this game is truly about.
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Sergep Vitor
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:32:00 -
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tl;dr
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Neoenderli
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:34:00 -
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You do realize the more players that are online that have no idea what is going on, is more prey for you, right?
Your ideas suck.
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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:36:00 -
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Yet another Bellum Eternus rant about how the game is dying?
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:37:00 -
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Irony, gotta love it 
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You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag.
Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited! |
Tyslas
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Neoenderli
Your ideas suck.
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MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:40:00 -
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Ok, Re-read it. And I know you're not serious. Good write though. I got a couple of chuckles from it. . What's disturbing is that there probably is a couple of peeps that think this is what Eve should be about.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Kharamete
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:44:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Serge Bastana
Irony, gotta love it
Irony doesn't work on the internet.
Particularly not in internet spaceships  
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:44:00 -
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Ultima Online? Pfff… newcomer.
♥ The Realm, and its thoroughly vicious PvP. 
…or MUME for that matter.
———
“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Bellend
2)Shadowbane: a fantastic non-consensual PVP hardcore only game, only not enough MMO players signed up, because carebears refused to subscribe to it, the game died.
This is my favorite line  .
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
SgtMjrJeroen
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.19 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: SgtMjrJeroen on 19/10/2009 14:03:02
Originally by: Eternal Bellend
tl;dr
sigh...
Edit: this is a troll, right? |
Oriens Pars
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:09:00 -
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WHERE ARE MY VIRGINS?!?
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Tbear
Cave Bear Mining
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:14:00 -
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Geeze, if all these other games died due to PVP, must be a reason there....I wonder what it is...
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: BurnHard on 19/10/2009 14:15:29
Lol?
Point 1: you demonstrate here how popular PvE activity is in an MMO by showing how, when you separate PvE from PvP, everybody heads over to the PvE server and nobody shows up on the PvP server.
Point 2: again, you demonstrate here how a game will eventually die if it caters only to PvP players and ignores PvE.
Point 3: i've no idea about that but I'm pretty sure it didn't die for that reason alone. Much like the space based MMO around just before Eve came out (I can't remember its name, but I do remember The Enslaver played it!), it probably died because a better alternative came out.
Point 4: yes, just why are Blizzard one of the MOST COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL MMO COMPANIES IN HISTORY, just why?
I also started in 2003. I remember the unrestricted PvP very well, especially in high sec (moo, space invaders, etc.). I'm guessing if CCP hadn't put in gate guns and concord, the servers would have shut down a very long time ago. But anyway, on the whole, you've proven the point you've tried to disprove: if a commercial entity wants to survive in MMO space, it's got to provide PvE content and viable limitations on the opportunities for grief, at least for a good proportion of its paying player base.
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Malusae
Caldari
Death Trip
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:20:00 -
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Also . .
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Captain Mastiff
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:38:00 -
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Cool story bro
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Tiny Tove
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:45:00 -
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I do not recognise you as one of Navigator's or Fallout's favourite forum rule breaking posters. Your next ban is in the post... be with you shortly.
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WTB: Unwritten Forum Rules and list of posters you're not allowed to Report. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: BurnHard
FAIL, not so much after edit.
PvE isn't a problem when it is done properly and I haven't actually seen anyone claim anything else. What has been claimed is issues with the current implementation and fears about changing existing working aspects of the game for no other reason, but to cater to the lazy and selfish. Just like any other aspect of EVE, if part of PvE starts causing issues, you change it to fix them.
PvE or PvP isn't a magic solution to guarantee success. Crappy implementation of either can drive people to other games and kill your game. They also aren't enough, if you can't code the game properly. AOC was a bad game in the beginning with huge ass balance issues with classes and items, lack of PvP or PvE content, broken sieges, item duping and lack of promised features. Shadowbane on the other hand and I'll quote "I haven't met anyone who's been able to keep the game running stable for more than half-an-hour without the game crashing so hard a complete "flip-power-switch" ordeal was needed. Seriously, if you ever manage to get it to work, this crap is practially unplayable due to the lag." Surprisingly people aren't willing to play broken games, when working alternatives are abundant and by the time you fix things people have moved on.
As for the early EVE, I didn't care for it and didn't want to subscribe. I loved the idea and still do, but it was a bare bones game, that wasn't worth paying a subscription for. I'm glad it survived the bumpy beginning and has matured well. But it wasn't the PvE content that brought me here and it certainly isn't the thing keeping me interested.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:46:00 -
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No.
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Milena Lanordes
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:56:00 -
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Am i the only person who thinks all that carebear vs pvp'er jabbering is just childish?
Everytime i hear someone saying carebear, the image of a 12 years old pimple face comes to my mind.
Seriously dude, grow up! Everybody is free to play this game as he likes. And nobody cares if you like that or not. You can create as many threads as you like, but it won't change anything about that fact. So why bother?
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Nyxster
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Posted - 2009.10.19 14:59:00 -
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GB22003.
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Tenokiro
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tenokiro on 19/10/2009 15:06:36
Eternal Bellend, if you were the owner of a company that created games for a living, would you rather earn 5 million euros or 50 million euros every month? CCP have bills to pay too you know.
There does not exist enough hardcore players to populate a game world as huge as EvE. I can understand your frustration and having hardcore players in a game is fantastic, but there doesn't exist that many of them. Therefore CCP will have to get money from us, the carebears.
I for one would most likely not be playing eve if there were people camping every gate, attempting to rob every noob blind of every ISK he had. What do you think would happen if there were only "hardcore" players left in eve, do you honestly believe that it would be the eden that you so desire.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Bellend
So lets look at some of the UNDISPUTABLE facts about carebears impact on MMOs:
Where are your citations?
Start with a verifiable source which defines the meaning of the word carebear. On average, if you ask five Eve players to define Carebear you will get over nine thousand different definitions.
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Mukuro Gravedigger
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:15:00 -
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And here I thought I had a chance at holding the title for posting "walls of text"...
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malusae
Also . .
I keep seeing that character in EVE signatures, why is it so popular?
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Anslo
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:35:00 -
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Bellum, your tears make me so happy :3
Carebears own this game, deal with it :)
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Ubik Null
Minmatar
The Ore House
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:36:00 -
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<yawn> Nice try, but it doesn't quite make the grade. 2/10
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Micah Virgo
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Micah Virgo on 19/10/2009 15:54:29
The level of sarcasm in the OP's post is maximum.
Edit: Bah didn't post on main.
Double Edit: Forgot to add 10/10
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:51:00 -
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I like the fact that I coined the nickname "Bellend" for him, lol
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Hot Fudge
Minmatar
Sweet -N- Sticky
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:53:00 -
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Sounds like a certain someone wants an I WIN button, eh?
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Sweet, sticky, and bad for your health. |
Acid Flipper
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.10.19 15:54:00 -
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Post is meh, your name is gold though.
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regti onlat
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Bellend
I think that all right thinking EVE players recognise that the game is in crisis, is in risk of dying or becoming a WOW clone as it moves more and more from its original design concept. We the players have been BETRAYED by CCP as they continue to pander to the carebear ôgive it to me now without thinking or working mentalityö.
OH no, can I has your stuffz?
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MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ubik Null
<yawn> Nice try, but it doesn't quite make the grade. 2/10
Wat? His name alone is WIN! 
C'mon people! You don't see the humor in this? It's everything but an SNL skit.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Eternal Bellend
L33T Death's Head Carebear K1LL3R5
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tiny Tove
I do not recognise you as one of Navigator's or Fallout's favourite forum rule breaking posters. Your next ban is in the post... be with you shortly.
Hey Tiny Tove I have seen your films and pictures on the Internet. Wow a real film star posting in my threads, I'm so excited. I really like in the films how you handle your roles and make your character so believable.
Thank you for bringing so much happiness to my life.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Bellend
Part 2
Lets save this great game, lets demand a return to the 2003 rule set; we may only have 5000 online but it will be 5000 who know that this game is truly about.
if they gave out nobels for being a dimwit you'd be an outstanding candidate.
want to guess what kind of resources a game with 5k players would have to grow and improve with?
better yet why don't you write your own eve emulator and run your own game eve just eh way you fancy it.
as it stands pvp seems to absorb a rather greater amount of dev time and interest than the number of pvp'ers would justify. 
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Eternal Bellend
L33T Death's Head Carebear K1LL3R5
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: regti onlat
Originally by: Eternal Bellend
I think that all right thinking EVE players recognise that the game is in crisis, is in risk of dying or becoming a WOW clone as it moves more and more from its original design concept. We the players have been BETRAYED by CCP as they continue to pander to the carebear ôgive it to me now without thinking or working mentalityö.
OH no, can I has your stuffz?
NO its all blown up except for a civilian shield booster
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Capt Fossil
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.10.19 16:58:00 -
[39]
11/10
I like the beat, and they keep on biting.
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Skex Relbore
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:06:00 -
[40]
People need better snark meters I can't believe how many thought this was a serious post.
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Dharh
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:07:00 -
[41]
You are basically whining about the fact that MMOs game cant survive without carebears, which you also hate.
Tough ****. This is how the world works. When chaos rules, when there is nothing but war, nothing good happens.
War is fun (if it weren't for people actually dying and being in pain war would be fun irl too). We get it. Sometimes even carebears like to shoot people in the face. But this is a sandbox. It doesn't cater exclusively to PVP, it can't.
Fact is if everyone PVP'd all the time and didn't carebear for at least a little while there would be no minerals and products, thus there wouldn't be enough economy to support all the PVP. There are extremes where some people PVP all the time 100% of the time, and there are people who carebear mine/mission 100% of the time. Most are in between. It's the only way EVE can work.
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Kzintee
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:09:00 -
[42]
Whoooosh is the sound a joke makes when it flies over your head.
That's addressed to all the people who are replying with "troll", "no", "live with it", etc.
10/10
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Ukucia
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:31:00 -
[43]
OP's corp name needs more numbers in the place of letters.
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Dharh
Gallente
Ace Adventure Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:32:00 -
[44]
Understood. Don't care. I like wooshing noises.
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Iva Soreass
Tribal Core
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:34:00 -
[45]
you really are a bell end.
Your momma is so fat, PL thought she was a dypso moon and took her. |
Irida Mershkov
Gallente
War is Bliss
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:39:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 19/10/2009 17:42:01
Originally by: bumblefck
I like the fact that I coined the nickname "Bellend" for him, lol
Can't believe it took until this post for someone to point it out though.
Edit: wait, no people said it earlier in the thread.
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Kweel Nakashyn
shadow and cloaking
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2009.10.19 17:41:00 -
[47]
hahaha troll,
Fetchez la vache !
moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:02:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 19/10/2009 17:42:01
Originally by: bumblefck
I like the fact that I coined the nickname "Bellend" for him, lol
Can't believe it took until this post for someone to point it out though.
Edit: wait, no people said it earlier in the thread.
Sad but true. I like the OP though, he's a funny guy!
Historical link so that no one may doubt my meme-setting ability
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:11:00 -
[49]
I liked it.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:13:00 -
[50]
Made me chuckle.
Too long to read again though.
--Vel
In the world of emoticons, I was colon capital d. |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:23:00 -
[51]
10/10
Would read again, would recommend to a friend.
Superobvious fake edit: Just finished reading again. 11/10 Would still recommend to a friend, still want to read again.
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LeeIaa
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:39:00 -
[52]
quit saying carebear and pirate, dirty dirty words
It is Risk adverse, and Risk takers.
The first run and hide in station, high sec, forums.
The second scare the first to do those actions mentioned above.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:42:00 -
[53]
Well yes, but it's been accepted since Quake and before that camping is a risk-averse occupation.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:42:00 -
[54]
Originally by: LeeIaa
quit saying carebear and pirate, dirty dirty words
It is Risk adverse, and Risk takers.
The first run and hide in station, high sec, forums.
The second scare the first to do those actions mentioned above.
DO YOU NOT READ
Do you feel blame? Are you mad? Uh, do you feel like wolf kabob Roth vantage? Gefrannis booj pooch boo jujube; bear-ramage. Jigiji geeji geeja geeble google. Do you begep flagaggle vaggle veditch-waggle bagga?
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LeeIaa
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:45:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: LeeIaa
quit saying carebear and pirate, dirty dirty words
It is Risk adverse, and Risk takers.
The first run and hide in station, high sec, forums.
The second scare the first to do those actions mentioned above.
DO YOU NOT READ
Do you feel blame? Are you mad? Uh, do you feel like wolf kabob Roth vantage? Gefrannis booj pooch boo jujube; bear-ramage. Jigiji geeji geeja geeble google. Do you begep flagaggle vaggle veditch-waggle bagga?
forum ate it
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Eternal Bellend
L33T Death's Head Carebear K1LL3R5
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Posted - 2009.10.19 19:56:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Iva Soreass
you really are a bell end.
S3xy name.
Would you like to polish my Thorax?
R U a G3RL in RL? If so can we make babies?
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Eternal Bellend
L33T Death's Head Carebear K1LL3R5
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:02:00 -
[57]
Originally by: LeeIaa
quit saying carebear and pirate, dirty dirty words
But they are the only dirty words I can say. If I say real naughty words mommy comes down into the basement and washes my mouth out with soap and keeps my benefit check.
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Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Kahora Catori
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:10:00 -
[58]
This is the type of rant I was having the other day when that little bastard Helios got out of scram range with his little sliver of hull left... damn you!
(So what got away from you?.. don't tell me... a Bestower?)
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Erik Amirault
Gallente
543
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:12:00 -
[59]
Wall of improperly formatted text. I smell troll all over this.
So let me say this in response:
Screw PvE.
Screw PvP.
It's about time I got to play EvP- Enemy/Environment versus Player. Yeah, I want to control CONCORD and every rat ship out there. Same goes for Recon 3/3 toxic dump- I want to move that onto every last stargate in this game. You want blobbing? You want to make sure you sell every last ship you can make? Give me EvP- so I can smash every ship that undocks, and destroy the stations you hide in.
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Chaos Hellbreth
Caldari
Drusus Mercenaries
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:31:00 -
[60]
I'm not really going to argue one way or another on this, but this has reminded me of a question I've had for a loooong time.... Whats the point of PvE in an MMO? An online game, by its very definition, is about player interaction... There isn't much player interaction in PvE... I mean, sure you can fleet up to run a plex... but to what end? Plexes dont change, there are only so many missions in game... no real story... isn't PvP sort of an "endgame" content? PvE for the sake of PvE is really just a waste of your time and money.
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Rordan D'Kherr
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:32:00 -
[61]
Empire carebears need to lose stuff so they don't suffer from boredom. So suicide ganking, can stealing, ninja salvaging etc. is the best what EvE has to offer in Empire.
I'd like to have a sudden Armageddon day again.
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Yerotun
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:40:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Rordan D'Kherr
Empire carebears need to lose stuff so they don't suffer from boredom. So suicide ganking, can stealing, ninja salvaging etc. is the best what EvE has to offer in Empire.
I'd like to have a sudden Armageddon day again.
That day wasn't too bad, until the dreads and what not started appearing in dodixie, and blowin stuff up. but then again explosions are always nice so all in all was a blast.
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Doomed Predator
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:49:00 -
[63]
The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Jmanis Catharg
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:49:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 19/10/2009 20:51:42
I have a confession and apology to make. I ran a mission last night. Don't hate me for it please, I just feel so guilty I need to make a public apology to all the players in the whole EVE universe who I've affected by this.
I came home from work at 5, had some dinner, then played some sport from about 6:30 to 8, got changed, did some household chores and personal admin. By this stage it was 10pm and I realised I had a spare hour before downtime and ultimately, bed. That's when I did it.
I logged onto EVE, flew out to my mission running ship and accepted a level 4 mission in high-sec. 40 minutes later I was 12 million credits richer. To boot, I even took out my salvage destroyer and recovered the loot and salvage. That added another 10 million, taking the results of my blatant abuse of broken game mechanics to 22 Million ISK.
How can I live with myself now? I've abused a broken game mechanic, the results of which have undoubtedly rippled across the entire EVE universe and made the game nigh-on unplayable. And for that, I apologise to all.
Edit: In other news, none of my sell orders aren't selling because I get undercut by people camping their orders all day long and PvP won't have me because I'm not online to defend the POS all day.
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
I went to the forums for special powers and all I got was a dancing padlock and a banhammer.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.19 20:55:00 -
[65]
1. OP isn't me.
2. I LOLed. Someone took the time and effort to make a parody character and make this post, 10/10. The sheer number of people continuing to think it's a serious post is hilarious.
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.19 21:00:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Bumblefck
I like the fact that I coined the nickname "Bellend" for him, lol
Yeah... no. Dozens of people have beat you to it years ago. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard there buddy.
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.19 21:09:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Bumblefck
I like the fact that I coined the nickname "Bellend" for him, lol
Yeah... no. Dozens of people have beat you to it years ago. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard there buddy.
Perhaps you should apply some of that stellar reflection to your thread creations, matey
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.19 21:43:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Bumblefck
I like the fact that I coined the nickname "Bellend" for him, lol
Yeah... no. Dozens of people have beat you to it years ago. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard there buddy.
Perhaps you should apply some of that stellar reflection to your thread creations, matey
I would, but it's just so easy to troll people like yourself. I'd miss out on all that fun.
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
Beer and Smoke Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:00:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Bumblefck
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Bumblefck
I like the fact that I coined the nickname "Bellend" for him, lol
Yeah... no. Dozens of people have beat you to it years ago. Don't pat yourself on the back too hard there buddy.
Perhaps you should apply some of that stellar reflection to your thread creations, matey
I would, but it's just so easy to troll people like yourself. I'd miss out on all that fun.
Then you are suggesting that you expressly create troll threads?
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2009.10.19 22:08:00 -
[70]
I'm amused that someone spent a lot of time making a fake Bellum post, but with vastly inferior proofreading.
Saying the game is dying is not accurate. EVE seems to have more subscribers than ever before.
I suppose you could be worried that despite it's success in attracting players, it's turning into a WOW clone, but I'm just not seeing the recent 'carebear friendly' changes.
The last few big ones have been..
FW: Low sec content only. Discourages carebearing, encourages people to go into low sec and shoot up their enemies.
Wormholes: null sec content. Discourages carebearing, encouraging people to venture out into the unknown where they can be shot.
FW missions! Low sec content only. Nerf to hi sec mission runners by adding low sec L4 missions that are actually worth running.
And next up we have a sov system overhaul, which is also null/low sec only.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.10.19 23:12:00 -
[71]
Thankyou Bellum, I chuckled :)
10/10 - got the tone exactly right, would read again.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.19 23:49:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Bumblefck
Then you are suggesting that you expressly create troll threads?
I'm suggesting that you're being toyed with, repeatedly, by multiple people, at their whim.
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Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Laerelyn Love
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Posted - 2009.10.19 23:56:00 -
[73]
good laugh. +1
op gets a cookie.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.10.20 00:10:00 -
[74]
Op is spot on. Agree 100%.
Also poasting in a Bellum alt thread.
Quote:
[03:39:05] Emperor Salazar > HOLY **** ITS ZEBA
[03:39:20] Emperor Salazar > NEVER STOP POASTING
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The AEther
Caldari
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.10.20 00:16:00 -
[75]
It's not a fake Bellum post, it is a troll thread. What makes it a good troll is that despite the OP revealing his intention by making a parody on Bellum's character and corp name, half the players posting in this thread have taken it way too seriously, especially ones posting on 1st page and including our carebear forum warrior MatrixSkye MkII.
A+ for the parody
C for the actual OP content - could have been made funnier
B+ for entire troll
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.10.20 00:18:00 -
[76]
This thread prooves that a wall of text, no matter how many paragraphs, is still a wall of text.
Having read the first line I have no desire to continue reading the following drivel.
Show me a full time pvp player and I'll show you a person who buys GTC's or plexes.
Enjoy the rest of the evening/morning/afternoon depending on your time zone as there's nothing in this thread worth wasting any more time on.
Eve-online Industrial Organiser thread full batch manufacturing
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Whoopie DooDah
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Posted - 2009.10.20 00:39:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Eternal Bellend
i)Harcore PVP or GTFO.
if everyone did nothing but pvp, the game would die due to lack of items etc, whereas if everyone carebears, then the game stills works.
you are the cancer buddy, YOU!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.10.20 02:54:00 -
[78]
I kinda agreed with the OP 
Then I thought it could be Bellum making fun of himself.
Yeah, someone when through that trouble. Like the corp name though, are they recruiting?
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Eternal Bellend
L33T Death's Head Carebear K1LL3R5
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Posted - 2009.10.20 15:14:00 -
[79]
Yep this is indeed a parody post and thank you to those who got the joke and took the time to respond in kind. I am not an alt of Bellum and I am deeply flattered that so many thought I was.
Bellum thank you for taking it in the spirit that it was intended, it is appreciated.
In my real EVE life my main (nope not saying who that is) has been in and out of this game since 2003 and is a 100% carebear mission runner, so scared of NPCs that it took me months and months of playing before I tried level 3s never mind level 4s. I still have no clue what many of the modules do and much of the EVE interface remains a mystery. With Eternal I ran through the new tutorials and learnt stuff (you can drag and drop with the skill queue - WOW).
Since the beginning I have seen many many PVP versus PVE posts, some made good suggestions but many have been pointless. EVE is a big sandbox and a big universe with room enough for everyone. Not everything is balanced and EVE is rarely a win win game; at best it can be a zero sum (someone wins because someone loses) with a small margin. On the PVP\PVE argument I have never liked the extremes from both sides, too often people fail to "walk a mile in the other's shoes" and see their point of view. On the PVE side I love L4s but they are an ISK printing machine and once you have scrapmetal processing 4\5 why would you mine? On the PVP side I have seen players just burn out because of the demands of 0.0 alliances - EVE is a game for fun and not a second job of 8 hour shifts "on the line - for the corp" (you can join the real marines for that).
On both sides there are some thin skins. When I posted the parody my fear was that it would be the PVPers who would take umbrage, instead as a PVEer I am humbled that they have seen the humour. I wish all the PVEers could have to. So maybe we should all chill a bit more, keep the e-peen in the trousers, and remember we all have one thing in common - we love EVE.
I will be keeping Eternal and the corp name (best 1.5 million ISK I ever spent) and using him for FW and to learn PVP, funded by my carebear main. His skills will be crap so he should not be too difficult to make go pop.
Fly safe, and be good. If you can't be good then be careful! 
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2009.10.20 19:16:00 -
[80]
10/10 good troll
but no
i`m selfish
not my game so i`d rather have 5000 players rather then 65847326543 braindead apes from wow
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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:32:00 -
[81]
this thread maxed out my ability to enjoy things
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el caido
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.10.21 21:44:00 -
[82]
So ... wait ... I don't get it. Bellum made a post where he wasn't whining?
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Rocky Sullivan
Amarr
Demolition Crew
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Posted - 2009.10.21 22:01:00 -
[83]
i used to think like the op when i was unemployed and nothing else to do but play internet games.
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Aunt margret
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Posted - 2009.10.21 22:05:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
The sheer number of people continuing to think it's a serious post is hilarious.
Don't knock those guys, they allways agree with everything you say
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Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.10.21 22:15:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 21/10/2009 22:16:31
Originally by: Zeredek
I keep seeing that character in EVE signatures, why is it so popular?
It's Suiseiseki from the anime/manga series Rozen Maiden. The sigs are popular because ... idk, most people think Crumplecorn's sigs are funny? Click the signature to see the rest of them.
The character in question is popular because of a particular forced meme on the Internet ~desu. She has a verbal tic ~desu - she adds desu to the end of about everything she says, even if it doesn't fit the meaning of the sentence ~desu. http://whatport80.com/Desu
I give the troll 8/10 - just barely believable enough to catch your eye for a few seconds, but not subtle enough to keep the belief going once you're done reading it. Humorous nonetheless.
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Throckbane
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.10.21 22:55:00 -
[86]
Obvious troll is obvious.
Either way, +1 for mention of Shadowbane, best game ever. Shadowbane didn't die because of carebears (I'm a converted carebear because of that game), it died because it had more bugs than the neighborhood hooker, and the learning curve was even more intense than Eve.
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Discrodia
Gallente
Unknown-Entity
Maru Ka'ge
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:21:00 -
[87]
x_x
*shocked silence*
Wow.
Just wow.
I am ****ing stunned reading this.
While I feel that CONCORD and sentries are important in making the sec status of a system mean something, I personally hate the security standing system. I shouldn't be penalized for engaging in PvP in losec, especially when it forces me to live in a cave on the dark side of some 0.0 moon.
I support this thread 
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kurg
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Posted - 2009.10.21 23:34:00 -
[88]
Perfect example of "Kids stay in school and just say NO"!
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Jelana Windweaver
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:03:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Jelana Windweaver on 22/10/2009 00:04:15
EVE players, what does the scouter say about his sarcasm level??
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dr doooo
University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:18:00 -
[90]
Edited by: dr doooo on 22/10/2009 00:21:46
Just because the op is 'tongue in cheek', it doesn't necessarily mean that it is a troll, or that the sentiment doesn't hold water (with maybe a bit of scotch mixed in?).
For what it's worth, I have been reliably informed that CCP have actually been running a forum web-bot for the last few months, and we need only eight more 'signed's' before they role-back Eve to 2004 at the next downtime. so.................
/Signed.
(as a p.s. - the attitude to the op in this thread pretty much validates the points the op is making. OK, so the game as it was back then wasn't going to launch ccp into the big time, but pretty much anyone who played back then agrees that it was more fun. I spent most of my time back then carebearing, and it was much more enjoyable for the fact that you could die and lose anything up to everything you owned at any time, if you were stupid. Why create a mollycoddled fantasy sandpit almost as dull as real life?)
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Sp4rt4nII70
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:25:00 -
[91]
Quote:
2)Shadowbane: a fantastic non-consensual PVP hardcore only game, only not enough MMO players signed up, because carebears refused to subscribe to it, the game died.
I guess that's why so called carebears 'take over' every MMO... They make up the vast majority of the paying customers.
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MatrixSkye MkII
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.22 00:38:00 -
[92]
This... disease called carebear MUST BE CONTAINED!
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Zulf BesGUowy
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:29:00 -
[93]
EvE is Economic game designed for mass not only for those who want only pvp.EVE is for those who want socialise with orher,EVE is awesome SF game where all can enter virtual world,Thank you CCP for that,even if pvp is great in EVE and even if pvp have big impact in game,pvp is only Dessert.
Grab your guns and stop whining,here a lot target in space,even eve is full of carebears,or go to counter strike,lineage,battle field,where pure pvp...
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Seriah Rezin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:37:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Eternal Bellend
4)WOW û just because a game makes millions DOES NOT MEAN ITS ANY GOOD. This game has destroyed so much about MMOS: instances, PVE servers, arenas and battlegrounds, no death penalty. I mean its chess online with nurse to wipe away your carebear tears when you fall over and get hurt. Just tell me why do over 10 million people pay for it making Blizzard one of the MOST COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL MMO COMPANIES IN HISTORY, just why?
Blizzard is actually THE most commercially successful MMO company in history, at least in the West. By a wide margin too.
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Raekek
Caldari
New Eden Regimental Navy
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2009.10.22 21:36:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Eternal Bellend
ii)If you ainÆt got a CEO screaming at you to be on a 0.0 gate camp shift for 12 hours or an 8 hour small fleet roam you are in the wrong game.
iii)Pounding an enemy POS for 12 hours.
This is a joke. I'm all for pvp, but one of the main reasons why I play this game is because it's not insanely addicting, and I don't have to play 12 hours straight to have some fun in it. I wouldn't want to either, because you have to admit, yes this game can be boring at times, and YES some of us do have lives - playing 8-12 hours straight sounds too much like something you would do in WoW. You fail.
WoW is so successful because it's insanely easy, straightforward, addicting, and offers instant gratification. Who doesn't like a game like this? Its simplicity makes it open to a larger agegroup, probably to anyone from ages 8+. For EVE, anyone with an undeveloped brain would never play it because it's beyond their comprehension. So the age range is probably more like 18+ for EVE.
Today I saw someone during class lecture playing WoW on his laptop LOL
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Zandrox
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Posted - 2009.10.22 21:38:00 -
[96]
2)Shadowbane: a fantastic non-consensual PVP hardcore only game, only not enough MMO players signed up, because carebears refused to subscribe to it, the game died.
Ok that is the funniest statement I have read all day. People didn't subscribe to it because the game was ****. When you have a large portion of your beta testers quit because their posts about glaring game issues were being deleted it might be a clue that something is wrong with your game. SB's concept was great but the implementation was **** poor. Couple that with the game servers melting in open beta or doing the same during guild seiges and I am going to guess that that is why that game failed. Even all the developers that Wolfpack hired on from the shut down UO team at Origins could not save it.
I don't really have a side in this debate as frankly I think it is silly and has been going on in all MMOs since they began back in the MUD days. But I really felt that a glaring inaccuracies in the original post had to be pointed out.
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necrosia demora
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Posted - 2009.10.22 21:55:00 -
[97]
Originally by: BurnHard
Edited by: BurnHard on 19/10/2009 14:17:21
Edited by: BurnHard on 19/10/2009 14:15:29
Lol?
Point 1: you demonstrate here how popular PvE activity is in an MMO by showing how, when you separate PvE from PvP, everybody heads over to the PvE server and nobody shows up on the PvP server.
Point 2: again, you demonstrate here how a game will eventually die if it caters only to PvP players and ignores PvE.
Point 3: i've no idea about that but I'm pretty sure it didn't die for that reason alone. Much like the space based MMO around just before Eve came out (I can't remember its name, but I do remember The Enslaver played it!), it probably died because a better alternative came out.
Point 4: yes, just why are Blizzard one of the MOST COMMERCIALLY SUCCESSFUL MMO COMPANIES IN HISTORY, just why?
I also started in 2003. I remember the unrestricted PvP very well, especially in high sec (moo, space invaders, etc.). I'm guessing if CCP hadn't put in gate guns and concord, the servers would have shut down a very long time ago. But anyway, on the whole, you've proven the point you've tried to disprove: if a commercial entity wants to survive in MMO space, it's got to provide PvE content and viable limitations on the opportunities for grief, at least for a good proportion of its paying player base.
EDIT: I'm sorry, I didn't realise this was an irony post. I should have read down!
LOOOOOOOL.
THIS
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fatherted1989
Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.10.22 22:36:00 -
[98]
Sorry i forgot eve was dying.
go to any games board and there's always a post like 'xxxx is dying noooo'
grow up you pukes
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AvaAlt
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Posted - 2009.10.22 23:01:00 -
[99]
Best thread ever.
Even when it is made painfully obvious the whole thread is bait...the fish just keep biting.
12/10
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Lewsina
Minmatar
Retribution. Inc.
REIGN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:03:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Eternal Bellend
Yep this is indeed a parody post and thank you to those who got the joke and took the time to respond in kind. I am not an alt of Bellum and I am deeply flattered that so many thought I was.
Bellum thank you for taking it in the spirit that it was intended, it is appreciated.
In my real EVE life my main (nope not saying who that is) has been in and out of this game since 2003 and is a 100% carebear mission runner, so scared of NPCs that it took me months and months of playing before I tried level 3s never mind level 4s. I still have no clue what many of the modules do and much of the EVE interface remains a mystery. With Eternal I ran through the new tutorials and learnt stuff (you can drag and drop with the skill queue - WOW).
Since the beginning I have seen many many PVP versus PVE posts, some made good suggestions but many have been pointless. EVE is a big sandbox and a big universe with room enough for everyone. Not everything is balanced and EVE is rarely a win win game; at best it can be a zero sum (someone wins because someone loses) with a small margin. On the PVP\PVE argument I have never liked the extremes from both sides, too often people fail to "walk a mile in the other's shoes" and see their point of view. On the PVE side I love L4s but they are an ISK printing machine and once you have scrapmetal processing 4\5 why would you mine? On the PVP side I have seen players just burn out because of the demands of 0.0 alliances - EVE is a game for fun and not a second job of 8 hour shifts "on the line - for the corp" (you can join the real marines for that).
On both sides there are some thin skins. When I posted the parody my fear was that it would be the PVPers who would take umbrage, instead as a PVEer I am humbled that they have seen the humour. I wish all the PVEers could have to. So maybe we should all chill a bit more, keep the e-peen in the trousers, and remember we all have one thing in common - we love EVE.
I will be keeping Eternal and the corp name (best 1.5 million ISK I ever spent) and using him for FW and to learn PVP, funded by my carebear main. His skills will be crap so he should not be too difficult to make go pop.
Fly safe, and be good. If you can't be good then be careful!
When I first read this thread I was like OH GOD, when will this stuff ever stop. CAnt we all jus tget along....
then I read this post.
I respect you. just for this post an dhow you ADMIT that you are looking at both sides. I respect that and just wish taht all teh PVPvPVE CRAP would stop. Ppl pay to play eve to play eve. THERE is no one but the person who PAYS to tell them how they should play. I personaly am jus tgettin ginto PVP after being in game for 2 years. I waited so long so I could have decent skills adn MOAR tools avalable to me.
but nicely said once again
Fly safe man and good luck
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:19:00 -
[101]
great thread but not everyone can join the marines, I can't for several reasons not least is the fact that I'm not a US Citizen. I think it more to do with the fact that I'm over 30 years old and am slightly overweight. I like beer more than getting shot at.
The arguement is actually a three way slanging match between pvpers, mission runners and industrial pilots. Add in the fact that SOMEONE HAS to do the logistics otherwise it all grinds to a halt anyway means that it could even be a four way arguement.
Instead I'd rather see individual players realise you don't actually need two, three or even six characters to play Eve online to it's full potential one character does not have to fit into a cookie cutter shaped hole and be one specific class.
Besides if you can do a level 4 mission in a tech 2 fitted tech 2 ship then pvp is only a t1 cruiser t2 fit away. Sure it's a slightly different ball game of course - the risks are different and there's no website telling you what to expect when you do find something (normally a carrier about to be hot dropped on to your fleet of ibises! Hello lemmings!!), but ALL aspects of the game are open to EVERYONE it just takes the will and the patience to learn the nuances in each discipline.
Altruism is displayed in the animal kindgom, lets have more of that in New Eden and make it a BETTER quality dark harsh universe out there.
Eve-online Industrial Organiser thread full batch manufacturing
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2009.10.23 01:24:00 -
[102]
I don't know of any ways to make this thread good, but for once, I don't know of any ways to make it worse either. Simply amazing. 10/10 you magnificent bastards.
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Sentious Trill
Pakistani Taxi Drivers
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:11:00 -
[103]
"Lets save this great game, lets demand a return to the 2003 rule set; we may only have 5000 online but it will be 5000 who know that this game is truly about."
Don't we have like 5000 or so pvp players who live in low and null sec space?
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Life is Experience
New Eden Hardware Emporium
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:23:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Sentious Trill
"Lets save this great game, lets demand a return to the 2003 rule set; we may only have 5000 online but it will be 5000 who know that this game is truly about."
Don't we have like 5000 or so pvp players who live in low and null sec space?
You win the thread.
Eve-online Industrial Organiser thread full batch manufacturing
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Dynast
Eve Defence Force
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.10.23 02:32:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Throckbane
Obvious troll is obvious.
Either way, +1 for mention of Shadowbane, best game ever. Shadowbane didn't die because of carebears (I'm a converted carebear because of that game), it died because it had more bugs than the neighborhood hooker, and the learning curve was even more intense than Eve.
Huge cost of city loss relative to ease of sieging in the first couple years didn't help either. That and it was really easy to make a character that was worthless, and the lag/crashes in sieges were more epic than the sieges, and two thirds of everyone duped (in retrospect, I should have as well), and there was no semblance of class balance for about three of five years. Oh, and ****ing vamp scouts; so awful I can blame them for release even though they weren't in at release.
Sigh... RIP, Shadowbane.
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