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Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
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So, shieldtanking is not an option in PvP? I think this argument is nonsense, not only because you could use a Tempest Fleet Issue for e.g. PvE, but also because people do indeed PvP with 6-midslotted Shieldtankers... or even less :o

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Gravemetric sensor strength

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Originally by: Milamar Tokugawa

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Please Please fix the tier 1 navy cruisers, everyone but the Navy Augoror really dont perform any job :P Otherwise pretty good changes, still would like to see the firetail even faster than a inty :)

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Originally by: Caldor Mansi

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Nice.
When will be Raiding and Purple gear introduced..?

Go ahead and make EVE dumber and dumber, you're doing it well.

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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium

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we do not want to nerf it on that aspect since it is supposed to be part of a sandbox game to adapt a ship outside its original purpose.

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shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank.

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However, we feel the current slot changes (5 med/ 7 lows) and the shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank.

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Originally by: Caldor Mansi

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Nice.
When will be Raiding and Purple gear introduced..?

Go ahead and make EVE dumber and dumber, you're doing it well.

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* Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships? o A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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Offering EoM ships to players would either mean having them drop through loot somehow, which is not really acceptable, or require them to be a fully fledged pirate organization, with territory, asteroid belt infestation, LP stores, agents and complexes. Doing so is a tremendous task which is not planned or even considered at the time being.

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Remember that due to the magnitude and nature of this change, you may fly a ship that has its slot layout changed during Dominion. If that is the case we highly recommend you to dock before the expansion downtime to minimize any issue that could possible arise after.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Well, on the navy salad camo, I made a proposition adding to the others:

Navy ships in brushed steel and coal:

Dominix
Vexor

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* Q: The Rattlesnake is as useful as an unplugged microwave in the Sahara desert.
o A: While it does less damage than the other pirate battleships or even a close range fitted Dominix, remember it can project damage further with the missile velocity bonus, while having an amazing shield tank. On a passive tank configuration, it can hardly be stopped with ECM (drones and high Gravemetric sensor strength), sensor dampeners (still drones), tracking disrupted (no turrets), cannot be energy drained (passive shield tank) while itself using energy neutralizers and hardly feeling the side-effects.

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* Q: Can we have ships from mini-factions like the Equilibrium of Mankind?
o A: Offering EoM ships to players would either mean having them drop through loot somehow, which is not really acceptable, or require them to be a fully fledged pirate organization, with territory, asteroid belt infestation, LP stores, agents and complexes. Doing so is a tremendous task which is not planned or even considered at the time being.

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* Q: Why are Rogue Drones not offering me ships?
o A: Rogue Drones do not care about politics, marketing or profit and as such you can't have their stuff, no matter how cool they may look. More accurately, they literally are the ship they infest, so any cohabitation with a pod-pilot would be short at best.

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* Q: The Republic Fleet Tempest sucks.
o A: The current Fleet Tempest changes are supposed to go on par with CCP Nozh changes to projectile turrets, so keep that in mind while doing your calculations. Also, due its current slot versatility (6 med/6 lows) there are always going to be people that prefer a certain setups over others, thus it is not possible to make everybody happy no matter how we change it. However, we feel the current slot changes (5 med/ 7 lows) and the shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank.

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* Q: Why does the Machariel not have a 8/7/5 layout?
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Navy skins should not be camo. There is no space jungle for them to hide in, and especially seeing how navy ships are very RP based, they should stick to RP. Unless you want to introduce space jungles.

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You guys used the same excuse when you knocked the Helios out of the park with the ugly stick. You could have swapped Imicus/Maulus/Keres/Helios around since nobody flies the Maulus/Keres, but NO. You decided it would be better to kick all the Gallente pilots in the nuts and to hell with what your PAYING CUSTOMERS thought about it.

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I mean, it makes absolutely no sense to take the fastest, most agile (ish) BS, and then be forced to gimp its greatest strength by whacking plates and armour rigs on it. It's nonsense. There's precious little diversity in BS at the moment, and adding another armour-tanked turret BS to the multitude of armour-tanked turret BS is stupid. Make it a 6-6 shield tank, and for God's sake fix the insane CPU requirements of Shield Transporters. Get away from this tedious armour-tanking turret BS monotony and inject some diversity and life into BS. Same goes for the Tempest itself.

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Excellent points from Gypsio. I too would rather see the tempest be shield tanked, by that, I mean, 6/6 and with equal shields armor so you can shield OR amor tank as desired.

We already have tons of armor/turret BS in the game. Dominix, megathron, hyperion, armageddon, abbaddon, apocalypse - Typhoon too, kinda.

I want to see viable caldari/minmatar RR shield gangs, the way we have viable amarr/gallente RR armor gangs. Part of that is making more minmatar ships do shield, and the other part is, as Gypsio said, reducing the CPU use of shield transporters.

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* Q: Why does the Machariel not have a 8/7/5 layout?
o A: This is quite a dilemma. While shield tanking would definitely help to keep the ship nimble by fitting low slots with appropriate modules, it would still conflict with PvP tackling equipment, which defeats the intended role of that vessel. Furthermore, it will keep a speed advantage even if armor plating a ship is your hobby.

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See Fleet Tempest. The Machariel's role is to be a fast, mobile BS. It's absurd to armour-tank it and nobody will. It should be 6-6 at least - the "PVP tackling equipment" that it needs is just MWD and point, leaving plenty of room for an appropriate shield buffer tank on a 6-7 medslot Mach. And fix the bloody CPU requirements of Shield Transporters so that shield remote-rep BS gangs are actually possible (meaning that a Megathron or Armageddon should find it as easy/difficult to fit a Large Shield Transporter as they do a Large Remote Armour Repairer), rather than the current exercise in shoehorning coprocessors on to your BS.

Also, the Navy Hookbill is horrifically short of CPU. And where's the roflket fix?

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MAY not like the new skins? 90% of the responses to those skins say they're JUNK.
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Do you guys not understand that the camo skin is horrid? Whatever artist thought it looked good doesn't deserve the title and should be demoted.

You've been given many suggestions that DON'T SUCK.

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Originally by: Jordan Musgrat

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Navy skins should not be camo. There is no space jungle for them to hide in, and especially seeing how navy ships are very RP based, they should stick to RP. Unless you want to introduce space jungles.

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Read this - an RP explanation for camo on fancy military ships.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1195675

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Edited by: Abrazzar on 19/10/2009 17:04:08
Well, on the navy salad camo, I made a proposition adding to the others:

Navy ships in brushed steel, coal and cobalt lights:

Dominix
Vexor

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Originally by: Ravenja

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Originally by: Reten Kip

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MAY not like the new skins? 90% of the responses to those skins say they're JUNK.
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Do you guys not understand that the camo skin is horrid? Whatever artist thought it looked good doesn't deserve the title and should be demoted.

You've been given many suggestions that DON'T SUCK.

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A perfect example of CCP not giving a damn. And it would be so simple to fix, it doesn't have to be balanced, doesn't affect game mechanics, etc... Pure stubbornness or broken feedback loop.

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Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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Originally by: Cornette

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Sucks boatloads really but I'm not surprised in the slightest that they ignoring us. Its CCP thinking with their wallet firsthand. They got a load of unsold salad issue mega models so forcing us to suck it down is easier then scrap the models.

My most beautiful ship will now be a space forest. Woopidoo

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* Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships? o A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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Q: Why does the Machariel not have a 8/7/5 layout?
A: This is quite a dilemma. While shield tanking would definitely help to keep the ship nimble by fitting low slots with appropriate modules, it would still conflict with PvP tackling equipment, which defeats the intended role of that vessel. Furthermore, it will keep a speed advantage even if armor plating a ship is your hobby.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Edited by: Abrazzar on 19/10/2009 17:04:08
Well, on the navy salad camo, I made a proposition adding to the others:

Navy ships in brushed steel, coal and cobalt lights:

Dominix
Vexor

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Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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Originally by: CCP Ytterbium

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Faction ships obtainable through low/null-security space criminal organizations (Angel Cartel, Blood Raiders, Guristas, Sansha's Nation and Guristas) are sorted as pirate ships.

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* Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships? o A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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MAY not like the new skins? 90% of the responses to those skins say they're JUNK. Why not just make it hot pink, at least then it wouldn't be trying to be legitimate. Better yet, just take the damn ship out of the game entirely.

You guys used the same excuse when you knocked the Helios out of the park with the ugly stick. You could have swapped Imicus/Maulus/Keres/Helios around since nobody flies the Maulus/Keres, but NO. You decided it would be better to kick all the Gallente pilots in the nuts and to hell with what your PAYING CUSTOMERS thought about it.

Now, you're going to do it AGAIN. Do you guys not understand that the camo skin is horrid? Whatever artist thought it looked good doesn't deserve the title and should be demoted.

You've been given many suggestions that DON'T SUCK. Allow me to reiterate a few:

* Leave the damn thing alone. <-- BEST SUGGESTION
* Roden style paint scheme <-- SECOND BEST SUGGESTION
* Naval camo that DOESN'T SUCK
Examples of Naval Camo that doesn't suck, pick one and use it:
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3995/50819321pv1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/USS_Louisville_CA-28-600px.JPG
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/military-camouflage-6.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h92000/h92362.jpg

As it stands now I'm either going to sell my salad issue Megathron, or just trash it. I'm leaning toward trashing it.

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The Vindicator? It can't do any more peak gun DPS than the Kronos or Hyperiorn. Once you consider the rep bonuses of both those ships, and the numerous advantages of the Kronos over the Vindi, there is really little reason to choose the Vindi over either the Hype or the Kronos.

All of the reasons you list as an advantage for the Vindicator: speed, agility, sensor strength- none of those are worth anything. Your guns will miss 100% of the time if you're moving even the smallest amount, so speed and agility don't count for anything. Sensor strength? You'll still be jammed solid by a Falcon even if you have two ECCM fit, so what is the point in calling slightly higher sensor strength an advantage?

I don't even know why I bother posting however. Nothing will be changed.

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I read this:

Q: Can we have ships from mini-factions like the Equilibrium of Mankind?
A: Offering EoM ships to players would either mean having them drop through loot somehow, which is not really acceptable, or require them to be a fully fledged pirate organization, with territory, asteroid belt infestation, LP stores, agents and complexes. Doing so is a tremendous task which is not planned or even considered at the time being.

But what about Khanid Kingdom? They are a fully fledged organization with agents and such.

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1. The amount of people who fly or even look at navy cruisers is FAR lower than the amount of people who fly navy battleships (because for the most part faction cruisers are not worth the resources compared to HACs ...) thereby reducing the people who would post about it.


2. Unlike the Navy Dominix especially, the Navy Vexor/Deimos (and Mega, to be fair) camouflage somehow avoided the typical "Let's Make Everything Symmetric Even If It Looks Like Crap Because We're A Bunch Of Lazy Sods" mode. But then, the totality of THAT mode is best left for its own thread ...


3. The new Navy BS camo schemes aren't even the same colors as the navy cruiser schemes. (slow clap for CCP here!) The Navy BS paint looks like Day-Glo compared to the Navy Cruiser paint, and it's not a good effect. Given their love of inappropriate copying and pasting, you'd figure they'd be all over the eyedropper tool!


4. It doesn't take an art critic to figure out that the black-and-white effect, the evolution of the originally-all-black Navy Mega, looks orders of magnitude better than the current poorly-executed camouflage and was indeed the intended paint until CCP's physical modeling team screwed up somewhere along the line. I'm surprised it's still being kept for the Navy Comet, if it's not the intended Gallente color

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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss

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I hate the idea of Guristas being the new drone experts. Gallente are now kinda "defunct", especially since blaster tracking just gets worse and worse relative to other offensive weapons from various factors every patch, while other races get more buffs.

I despise the Navy Megathron skin change. You've made possibly the prettiest looking ship, one of the ugliest. What next? Baby-blue Nyx? Oh and I love the way you dont listen to your players telling you it looks crap and not to change it, for the sake of the 20 or so people that bought desk models.

With the exception of the new tier of Navy ships I dont see these changes improving Eve at all.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Well, on the navy salad camo, I made a proposition adding to the others:

Navy ships in brushed steel and coal:

Dominix
Vexor

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Hot. CCP, fire your artists and do this.

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Originally by: Yon Krum

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Just do the RD ships, and stop making excuses. We want our tentacle battleships!

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Originally by: Zaknussem

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Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
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Aah, I missed that bit in the explanation (stupid me). Then the answer is obvious; the modellers screwed up when making the Navythron model, and CCP are trying to cover up the mistake by (gasp!) pretending it was to be that way all along.

Not a big issue in and of itself, but it seems to solidify the trend that October is the month when CCP act extra jerky. Wonder what the connection is to that?

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Originally by: Zaknussem

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The hull changes for the Cov. Ops were needed to correct an older error regarding T2 hull assignments. The Helios was never supposed to have any other hull than the Imicus. Compare the Gallente frigate lineups with the lineups of the other races, and it will be clear as day to you. It has nothing to do with appearance or popularity of hulls. It sucks, but there you go. I'm not saying that the skin changes were necessary and or justifiable, but comparing them to the hull changes is comparing apples and oranges.

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Originally by: Zaknussem

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And regarding the "PAYING CUSTOMERS!!!" comment, I suggest you read the EULA again. This is CCP's game, not yours. You're only paying to be allowed to use it. IIRC the EULA does not state that CCP has to listen to their customers, so be grateful that they do.

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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker

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Originally by: Reten Kip

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Well, on the navy salad camo, I made a proposition adding to the others:

Navy ships in brushed steel and coal:

Dominix
Vexor

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Hot. CCP, fire your artists and do this.

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Looks like an Amarr Gallente combo. No thank you.

--Isaac

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Vindicator? It can't do any more peak gun DPS than the Kronos or Hyperiorn. Once you consider the rep bonuses of both those ships, and the numerous advantages of the Kronos over the Vindi, there is really little reason to choose the Vindi over either the Hype or the Kronos.

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Originally by: Nai'gah

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Please refrain from posting images into threads directly.Applebabe

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Vindicator? It can't do any more peak gun DPS than the Kronos or Hyperiorn. Once you consider the rep bonuses of both those ships, and the numerous advantages of the Kronos over the Vindi, there is really little reason to choose the Vindi over either the Hype or the Kronos.

All of the reasons you list as an advantage for the Vindicator: speed, agility, sensor strength- none of those are worth anything. Your guns will miss 100% of the time if you're moving even the smallest amount, so speed and agility don't count for anything. Sensor strength? You'll still be jammed solid by a Falcon even if you have two ECCM fit, so what is the point in calling slightly higher sensor strength an advantage?

I don't even know why I bother posting however. Nothing will be changed.

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...we do not want to nerf it on that aspect since it is supposed to be part of a sandbox game to adapt a ship outside its original purpose.

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Originally by: something somethingdark

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So just that I understand the design process here :

Step 1 : Realize that there is a problem
Step 2 : Raise issue
Step 3 : Ignore it for years
Step 4 : Get drunk
Step 5 : Make the art department do stuff
Step 6 : Realize your late and SPRINT to some changes
Step 7 : Unleash changes to the TESTSERVER and ask playerbase for input
Step 8 : Stick your fingers in your ear and go *LALALALALALA*
Step 9 : Continue doing so untill patch release
Step 10: ?????
Step 11: Profit!

Is that about correct ?

p.s. Fine, you screwed up the navy mega resin model, I agree ... No need to take it out on the rest of eve.

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Q: The Republic Fleet Tempest sucks.
A: The current Fleet Tempest changes are supposed to go on par with CCP Nozh changes to projectile turrets, so keep that in mind while doing your calculations. Also, due its current slot versatility (6 med/6 lows) there are always going to be people that prefer a certain setups over others, thus it is not possible to make everybody happy no matter how we change it. However, we feel the current slot changes (5 med/ 7 lows) and the shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank

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Originally by: Nyack

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god damn it i need more people to shoot in syndicate!

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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The Vindicator? It can't do any more peak gun DPS than the Kronos or Hyperiorn. Once you consider the rep bonuses of both those ships, and the numerous advantages of the Kronos over the Vindi, there is really little reason to choose the Vindi over either the Hype or the Kronos.

All of the reasons you list as an advantage for the Vindicator: speed, agility, sensor strength- none of those are worth anything. Your guns will miss 100% of the time if you're moving even the smallest amount, so speed and agility don't count for anything. Sensor strength? You'll still be jammed solid by a Falcon even if you have two ECCM fit, so what is the point in calling slightly higher sensor strength an advantage?

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Originally by: something somethingdark

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So just that I understand the design process here:

Step 1 : Realize that there is a problem
Step 2 : Raise issue
Step 3 : Ignore it for years
Step 4 : Get drunk
Step 5 : Make the art department do stuff
Step 6 : Realize your late and SPRINT to some changes
Step 7 : Unleash changes to the TESTSERVER and ask playerbase for input
Step 8 : Stick your fingers in your ear and go *LALALALALALA*
Step 9 : Continue doing so untill patch release
Step 10: ?????
Step 11: Profit!

Is that about correct ?

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Originally by: Dav Varan

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Pirate ships.

Frigs 75% reduction in damage taken from sentry guns.
Cruisers 60% reduction in damage taken from sentry guns.
BS 40% reduction in damage taken from sentry guns.

^^ this would have been nice.
Gives all pirate ships a roll.

Suberb bonuses when ship is used in piracy ( GCC ) activitys.

Currently there are no frigates and very few T1 cruisers that can be effectivelly used for piracy under gate guns.

Overpowered ? not really when you take into account cost.

Too imaginative ? definatelly.

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Well, played a bit around with photoshop and made a reoloring how I think camouflage could be added without destroying the model's details:

Dominix in Camouflage, Umbra and yellowish lights.

Like this, it has some structure and doesn't just look like lettuce in space.

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Originally by: Anabella Rella

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No more camo paintjobs, please! It was mildly amusing on the Firetail and Vexor, but on the BS? Really?

I'd rather see Susan Boyle in a leopard print corset and stiletto heels holding a whip than see another forest camo BS!

(Sorry in advance for that mental picture....I gagged myself a little with that one)

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Originally by: Nai'gah

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Please refrain from posting images into threads directly.Applebabe

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Navy ships in brushed steel, coal and cobalt lights:
Dominix
Vexor

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Q: The Republic Fleet Tempest sucks.
A: The current Fleet Tempest changes are supposed to go on par with CCP Nozh changes to projectile turrets, so keep that in mind while doing your calculations. Also, due its current slot versatility (6 med/6 lows) there are always going to be people that prefer a certain setups over others, thus it is not possible to make everybody happy no matter how we change it. However, we feel the current slot changes (5 med/ 7 lows) and the shield/armor hitpoint swap will help more as the almost mandatory PvP med slot equipment would inevitably conflict with a shield tank

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Well, played a bit around with photoshop and made a reoloring how I think camouflage could be added without destroying the model's details:

Dominix in Camouflage, Umbra and yellowish lights.

Like this, it has some structure and doesn't just look like lettuce in space.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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lettuce in space.

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Originally by: Katabrok First

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I usually don't post on devblog threads, but this time I had to. I really think that the way CCP is treating us in the camothron issue is totally wrong. What I read in this devblog was: "We will use the camo as it is, so shut up and swallow it". I dislike this new paint job, but CCP's attitude has been the worst possible.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Rogue Drones do not care about politics, marketing or profit and as such you can't have their stuff, no matter how cool they may look. More accurately, they literally are the ship they infest, so any cohabitation with a pod-pilot would be short at best.

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Originally by: Caldor Mansi

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This is sad...

5 pages of whine about silly ship textue but absolutely no one minds the fact that the production of T2 ship require several POS, their defense and maintenance - ice harvesting, 0.0 ore mining and their refinement via simple and complex reactions, component construction, BPO invention and research, production skills and slots, on top of this there is a quite logistical effort to accomplish this tasks and all this is being replaced by couple hours of solo mission grind...

But yeah, cry for textures...

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Originally by: Ghoest

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The camo babble is absurd - mainly because its drowning out the universal disdain for the Fleet Tempest changes from players who fly Caldari.

THE NEW TEMPEST IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!!

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Originally by: CCP Navigator

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People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order in these forums.

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Originally by: AeonOfTime

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*expects faction ship prices to burst through the roof just about... now. *

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Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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Originally by: Caldor Mansi

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This is sad...

5 pages of whine about silly ship textue but absolutely no one minds the fact that the production of T2 ship require several POS, their defense and maintenance - ice harvesting, 0.0 ore mining and their refinement via simple and complex reactions, component construction, BPO invention and research, production skills and slots, on top of this there is a quite logistical effort to accomplish this tasks and all this is being replaced by couple hours of solo mission grind...

But yeah, cry for textures...

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Originally by: Caldor Mansi

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This is sad...

5 pages of whine about silly ship textue but absolutely no one minds the fact that the production of T2 ship require several POS, their defense and maintenance - ice harvesting, 0.0 ore mining and their refinement via simple and complex reactions, component construction, BPO invention and research, production skills and slots, on top of this there is a quite logistical effort to accomplish this tasks and all this is being replaced by couple hours of solo mission grind...

But yeah, cry for textures...

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker

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Originally by: Reten Kip

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Well, on the navy salad camo, I made a proposition adding to the others:

Navy ships in brushed steel and coal:

Dominix
Vexor

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Hot. CCP, fire your artists and do this.

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Looks like an Amarr Gallente combo. No thank you.

--Isaac

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For Amarr I actually made this paint. IMHO, Amarr Navy should be bright and glorious. They see themselves as the saviors of the universe and not as something dark and ominous.


I did a bit of playing around with photoshop and found out what is making the camo on gallente so sub-par: It covers the whole ship, obfuscating the details on the model design.

This makes the ship look spray painted, botchy and boring. I'd propose, if you have to stick with camo, add areas of solid color and use more colors on details.

For example using the template from above links, make everything in coal black camouflage and everything steel a solid color, even if it's just another shade of green and small mechanical details in steel or grey. This way it'd retain the level of detail of the original ship.

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Originally by: Terranid Meester

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Personally Id rather have a Roden megathron since their shipyards have started popping up everywhere. People who moan for 5 pages about a texture ARE sad. You don't have to buy a ship if you don't like the way it looks.

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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Edited by: Abrazzar on 19/10/2009 17:04:08
Well, on the navy salad camo, I made a proposition adding to the others:

Navy ships in brushed steel, coal and cobalt lights:

Dominix
Vexor

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Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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• sloppy
• lazy on CCP's part (no surprise here)
• full of the typical CCP cowardice that we have come to know and love, in that you, as usual will not admit to having fucked up, once again

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We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste.

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Originally by: Caldor Mansi

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Nice.
When will be Raiding and Purple gear introduced..?

Go ahead and make EVE dumber and dumber, you're doing it well.

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Originally by: Reten Kip

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Edited by: Reten Kip on 19/10/2009 16:30:40

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* Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships? o A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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MAY not like the new skins? 90% of the responses to those skins say they're JUNK. Why not just make it hot pink, at least then it wouldn't be trying to be legitimate. Better yet, just take the damn ship out of the game entirely.

You guys used the same excuse when you knocked the Helios out of the park with the ugly stick. You could have swapped Imicus/Maulus/Keres/Helios around since nobody flies the Maulus/Keres, but NO. You decided it would be better to kick all the Gallente pilots in the nuts and to hell with what your PAYING CUSTOMERS thought about it.

Now, you're going to do it AGAIN. Do you guys not understand that the camo skin is horrid? Whatever artist thought it looked good doesn't deserve the title and should be demoted.

You've been given many suggestions that DON'T SUCK. Allow me to reiterate a few:

* Leave the damn thing alone. <-- BEST SUGGESTION
* Roden style paint scheme <-- SECOND BEST SUGGESTION
* Naval camo that DOESN'T SUCK
Examples of Naval Camo that doesn't suck, pick one and use it:
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3995/50819321pv1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/USS_Louisville_CA-28-600px.JPG
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/military-camouflage-6.jpg
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h92000/h92362.jpg

As it stands now I'm either going to sell my salad issue Megathron, or just trash it. I'm leaning toward trashing it.

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Originally by: Sylvaen

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Edited by: Sylvaen on 21/10/2009 13:27:35
Dear CCP,

You requested and received plenty of feedback on these changes via the Test Server forum.

Please confirm your intentions were honest by indicating any feedback that has lead you to make changes to your original ideas.

Thx

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Originally by: CCP Fallout

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Faction ships are getting a makeover. Find out all the details by checking out CCP Ytterbium's newest dev blog.

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Q: Why having camouflage skins on navy battleships?
A: The black and white skin you were used to on the Megathron Navy Issue has never been the proper Gallente Navy version paintjob and this is why it was changed. As some of you guessed, the correct one was already used on the EVE store Megathron Navy miniature. We are deeply sorry you may not like the new skins, however this unfortunately remains a matter of taste. But if you ask me, my preference would be that dreadnoughts in siege mode should transform into huge space robots with vacuum cleaners.

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