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MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:31:00 - [1] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 20/10/2009 19:35:43 Well, we have Mazzilliu, in this thread, "selling" issues that need addressing for in-game items (PLEXes). No big deal if it's meant as a joke. If it's not, is there a way we could "impeach" elected players? Edit: If it is a joke I have to admit it's kind of funny and we've been trolled by CCP . Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:50:00 - [2] It's you. You're the worst poster on all of EVE-O. _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
Soma Khan	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:52:00 - [3] Originally by: Suas It's you. You're the worst poster on all of EVE-O. ___
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Suas It's you. You're the worst poster on all of EVE-O. At least he is active and doesn't abandon his threads.
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Suas It's you. You're the worst poster on all of EVE-O. Wow, do you mean that? I'm the worst poster on ALL of Eve-O? That is quite an honor. I'm flattered . Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:56:00 - [6] Crossposting bad. I will let it slide this time Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.20 19:56:00 - [7] Originally by: MatrixSkye MkII No big deal if it's meant as a joke. Captain Piccard is sat in a chair, his head in his hand. Because of what you just posted.
Lou Margoulin	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:02:00 - [8] Edited by: Lou Margoulin on 20/10/2009 20:02:01 Politics go with corruption, at least this is transparent corruption.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Malcanis Captain Piccard is sat in a chair, his head in his hand. Because of what you just posted. Is that Malcanoid for "Yes, it was a joke"?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Malcanis Captain Piccard is sat in a chair, his head in his hand. Because of what you just posted. Is that Malcanoid for "Yes, it was a joke"? Now he is holding his head in both hands.

Irida Mershkov Gallente Black Marsh X	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:11:00 - [11] Jesus Christ stop ****ing whining.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:13:00 - [12] Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 20/10/2009 20:15:49 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Malcanis Captain Piccard is sat in a chair, his head in his hand. Because of what you just posted. Is that Malcanoid for "Yes, it was a joke"? Now he is holding his head in both hands. Well, sorry to burst your pop-culture reference bubble but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that it was, in fact, a joke. If you actually know something then... Oh right, forgot who I was talking to. Nevermind. Originally by: Irida Mershkov Jesus Christ stop ****ing whining. Hey man, they nailed him to a board, I bet you'd whine a bit too.
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Well, sorry to burst your pop-culture reference bubble but I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that it was, in fact, a joke. If you actually know something then... Oh right, forgot who I was talking to. Nevermind. His reference was to Picard facepalming, which was in reference to the comment about the thread being a joke, which is techinically worse then if the thread is real. Hence the facepalm. Fake Edit: Well at least that is how I interpret it. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Slade Trillgon His reference was to Picard facepalming, which was in reference to the comment about the thread being a joke, which is techinically worse then if the thread is real. Hence the facepalm. Fake Edit: Well at least that is how I interpret it. Your interpretation is plausible, sadly though my Malcanoid->English decoder ring is broken. Is it a facepalm because it's obviously a joke, obviously not a joke, or is it some other element which is revealed only when examined through the dark glass of Malcania?
Apotamkin	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Jesus Christ stop ****ing whining. I wish people would stop whining about people whining
Discrodia Gallente Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:43:00 - [16] My IQ dropped 10 points reading this thread. ________________________________________________ I'm the station camper with the Phobos whose annoying you I will provide a rebuttal as soon as Scotty, the posting manager allows.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:43:00 - [17] It doesn't matter for the process if money was exchanged or not to have an issue raised. If the issue isn't worth raising, the majority of the CSM will vote it down. The exchange of ISK doesn't make a difference. Paying ISK isn't equal to instant elevation to CCP.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Black Marsh X	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:44:00 - [18] Originally by: Apotamkin Originally by: Irida Mershkov Jesus Christ stop ***ing whining. I wish people would stop whining about people whining I've got to have something* to do.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:53:00 - [19] Originally by: LaVista Vista It doesn't matter for the process if money was exchanged or not to have an issue raised. If the issue isn't worth raising, the majority of the CSM will vote it down. The exchange of ISK doesn't make a difference. Only as long as the majority of the CSM can't be bought. I wonder how long it will take till all or most of them can be bought. Will be interesting to see if or how it will be limited, if it spreads...
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:01:00 - [20] Edited by: MatrixSkye MkII on 20/10/2009 21:01:30 Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: LaVista Vista It doesn't matter for the process if money was exchanged or not to have an issue raised. If the issue isn't worth raising, the majority of the CSM will vote it down. The exchange of ISK doesn't make a difference. Only as long as the majority of the CSM can't be bought. I wonder how long it will take till all or most of them can be bought. Will be interesting to see if or how it will be limited, if it spreads... This. Someone with enough isk (or real life money for that matter) can theoretically bribe enough CSMs to bring up an issue. Ironically enough, the CSM was created to curb this kind of stuff (remember T20?) Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!

Jaabaa Prime Minmatar Quam Singulari Cult of War	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:07:00 - [21] I would never have looked at the referred post, thanks. I guess that this CSM member's credibility just dropped into a bottomless chasm. In politics, there is always some level of "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" (also called lobbying), but I don't really think that publicly announcing your intentions (even if they are not "expressly" against the rules) would ever gain you sympathy amongst your peers (both as a member of the CSM and as an EVE player). As far as I see it, it should be up to the CSM to vote the afore mentioned person out of the CSM, and if the current rules and regulations don't provide for it, approve a motion that a CSM member can be voted out of office AND then vote him/her out. Wasn't there some kind of provisioning for backups ? The CSM should take this seriously and purge this kind of behaviour from the council. (As you noticed, I said the CSM, not CCP. They are supposed to represent us, the players, and they all should respect that and act accordingly) --
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:13:00 - [22] Originally by: LaVista Vista It doesn't matter for the process if money was exchanged or not to have an issue raised. If the issue isn't worth raising, the majority of the CSM will vote it down. The exchange of ISK doesn't make a difference. While it is true that the exchange of ISK may not guarantee an eventual game-alteration, to say that democratically elected representatives selling their offices makes no difference to the process of the representative council is to be just about as wrong as you possibly could be.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Catherine Frasier While it is true that the exchange of ISK may not guarantee an eventual game-alteration, to say that democratically elected representatives selling their offices makes no difference to the process of the representative council is to be just about as wrong as you possibly could be. What I'm saying is that the fact that there's ISK involved between 2 persons doesn't short-circuit the CSM process before it reaches CCP. And even then, CCP can just say "No" if a stupid reason is raised. Don't get me wrong, I think that selling "issues" is morally wrong. But I don't think that it's as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:27:00 - [24] Originally by: LaVista Vista What I'm saying is that the fact that there's ISK involved between 2 persons doesn't short-circuit the CSM process before it reaches CCP. Of course it does. Elected representatives are in place to represent the electorate not to represent the highest bidder or earn a little cash selling their offices while the concerns of the electorate take a back seat.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Elected representatives are in place to represent the electorate not to represent the highest bidder or earn a little cash selling their offices while the concerns of the electorate take a back seat. That all depends on which voters (s)he represents… If it was the mercs that voted the CSM in question in, then his/her behaviour probably echoes the expectations of the electorate perfectly, and will match their concerns just fine. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:53:00 - [26] Originally by: Tippia If it was the mercs that voted the CSM in question in, then his/her behaviour probably echoes the expectations of the electorate perfectly, and will match their concerns just fine. You are confusing in-game and out-of-game behaviour.
Havohej Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Malcanis Captain Piccard is sat in a chair, his head in his hand. Because of what you just posted. Is that Malcanoid for "Yes, it was a joke"? Now he is holding his head in both hands. From this point on, proper syntax for /doublefacepalm shall be "Matrix and Malcanis, on the forums." "You can still steal their stuff." - CCP Explorer
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:42:00 - [28] Well if you kept up with the goings on in AH then you'd realize that Mazzilliu ran out of ideas and important issues to bring up to the CSM months ago and she is fairly bored so needs something interesting to do. I'd rather have someone sell out by letting anyone "buy" an issue to be raised rather than some huge dork like Anhk refuse to listen to anyone in the community and only push the ideas that she thinks should be raised. Those are the real selfish ones that end up harming the game. What Mazz is doing is a harmless joke really. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:47:00 - [29] Originally by: MatrixSkye MkII Well, we have Mazzilliu, in this thread, "selling" issues that need addressing for in-game items (PLEXes). No big deal if it's meant as a joke. If it's not, is there a way we could "impeach" elected players? How's that different from REAL-WORLD politics ? And the mechanism is simple, and the same : STOP ELECTING THEM _ We are recruiting \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
MatrixSkye MkII Minmatar	Posted - 2009.10.20 22:59:00 - [30] I think some may be confusing in-game actions with out-of-game actions. CSM position = REAL-LIFE POSITION to better a product for its customers. Trading PLEX's (IN-GAME ITEM) = IN-GAME ACTIVITY. And Akita T, the difference is that for out-of-game actions there are consequences. In this case there doesn't seem to be any for abusing an elected position. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!



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