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Crop Circle	Posted - 2009.10.20 20:59:00 - [1] Hello all, I created some can art in Uedama system a few days ago but sadly it was removed. I'd like to hear your thoughts on can art, does it belong in eve or is it just litter that should be removed? Here's a link to some screenshots of the ssc EVE logo. The sign was not meant to be on the same grid as the stargate but eve grid mechanics are mysterious and it ended up being visible from the gate. I'm not emorageposting or anything, just want to know what the general population of eve thinks of the subject. tl:dr click the link.
Tippia Raddick Explorations Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:04:00 - [2] I remember Uedama before the 30-day secure can auto-removal… It could at times rival Jita for lagginess due to the can spam. So… yeah… I suppose, as long as it's just regular jet cans, knock yourself out. They'll clean themselves up in short order. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Crop Circle	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:09:00 - [3] It was anchored small secure containers, didn't even lag that much for me and I'm using a 4 year old laptop. Are you talking about before they upgraded the servers?
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2009.10.20 21:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Tippia I suppose, as long as it's just regular jet cans, knock yourself out. They'll clean themselves up in short order. ...or someone will help. I scooped over 40 eve casino small standard cans before they switched to using jet cans, now I scoop the 1 unit of ammo. (Which is not nearly as satisfying.)
Taladool	Posted - 2009.10.21 00:33:00 - [5] Thats pretty cool looking, keep up the good work
RabbidFerret The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.21 01:58:00 - [6] I've always been fond of can art since I started doing it in early 2005. This 3d Tie Interceptor from star wars was the last piece I did, but it was back in late 2006 or early 2007. It was eventually removed because someone wanted to put a POS at the moon. Linky Sadly, CCP has always been very clear that can art is against the EULA and is illegal in the game and I am agreed to incline with them. Server performance > artistic expression.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.10.21 02:02:00 - [7] Can art is great! I don't see how maintaining your art once every 30 days is a huge deal. Either you care about your can art and it stays around or you don't and it gets deleted. Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2009.10.21 02:12:00 - [8] whyd you use a frigate.. wouldnt a hauler work best here? Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. LAnce is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Syberbolt8 Gallente Knights of Kador Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.10.21 03:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Vaal Erit Can art is great! I don't see how maintaining your art once every 30 days is a huge deal. Either you care about your can art and it stays around or you don't and it gets deleted. as I understand it GM's removed it, its only been up for a day or 2. Support the DEAD HORSE POS's
Lachesis Moirae Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.10.21 07:13:00 - [10] Originally by: RabbidFerret I've always been fond of can art since I started doing it in early 2005. This 3d Tie Interceptor from star wars was the last piece I did, but it was back in late 2006 or early 2007. It was eventually removed because someone wanted to put a POS at the moon. Linky Sadly, CCP has always been very clear that can art is against the EULA and is illegal in the game and I am agreed to incline with them. Server performance > artistic expression. I remember that, I have some screenshots somewhere. When you warped to 0 at the moon it would put you right in the ****pit. That was amazing to see, it sucks that it's gone now.

Archon Thea	Posted - 2009.10.21 19:21:00 - [11] Originally by: RabbidFerret This 3d Tie Interceptor from star wars was the last piece I did, but it was back in late 2006 or early 2007. It was eventually removed because someone wanted to put a POS at the moon. That's pretty nice, how many can's did you use?
Katarina Littewskovic	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:10:00 - [12] Edited by: Katarina Littewskovic on 21/10/2009 21:14:58 I must say I was flattered when I first saw Crop Circle's sign. Usually you just see not-so-pleasing-to-the-eye VERY ordinary corp advertising. Dull. Boring. Commercialism. The finger at 'em! Crop Circle's sign made me change my mind, though. Truly inspiring, and (to me) a pleasure to look at, without being intrusive on the commercial side of things. Sure: who am I to judge which piece of art deserves to stay and which doesn't? I do believe there are many ppl who enjoy the odd nicely done sign here and there. I made one of my own, just to see if I can do it. During the 5 hours I worked on it, I had like 20+ ppl address me and say, 'wow, nice sign', but not ONE single player said, 'Take this down, you are lagging my server!'. I agree that if the cans severely lag the servers as has been stated above, that is surely undesirable. BUT: Technical issues as an excuse to remove them? PLEASE. I've been a server admin for years on many gameservers (not EVE, but once you've seen a couple online games, you notice certain similarities :) Linux, Windows, you name it. And ONE thing I've learned is this: Where there's a WILL, there SURE is a WAY. 'Technical issues' are usually not shortcomings of a system, but rather a cheap excuse of the ppl programming it. By no means do I intend to insult the ppl who maintain EVE. I enjoy the game, and probably will for quite a while. Hence my plead: EVE DEVELOPERS / PROGRAMMERS : Be part of the solution, not of the problem :) Maybe the lag caused by cans could be reduced. Maybe some art / graffiti system could be implemented that does NOT involve cans. Maybe with bitmaps, maybe like the CONCORD billboards near the gates. Who knows. If YOUR creative thinking is a true match to some of the can artists I've seen linked here, you will find a way in no time. Be creative, some of this stuff is too precious to give way to 'technical issues'. Please do! o/ Katja aka T
Aaron Eternal Frontier	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:41:00 - [13] Can art is cool, ive seen some great ones in my time, I like the skill and patience of the artist. perhaps a system could be devoted to can art, u cant stop the desire for people to exprerss themselves in an artful way.
Ranger 1 Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:42:00 - [14] Creativity vs. lag. Not an easy choice. Personally I would like to see Billboards finally being used for creative advertisments (or even personal messages, preferably overly theatrical threats or public humiliation apologies). I believe there was talk of this being worked on at one point, I hope it gets implemented at some point in the future. ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you.
Katarina Littewskovic	Posted - 2009.10.21 21:54:00 - [15] - I just had a chat with Crop Circle. Of course we don't know what EXACTLY causes the lag. Crop Circle suggested that maybe a new anchorable object with no container functionality might already do the trick. Maybe just a little light. No can artist actually uses the cans to store stuff in there anyway, I suppose. There are so many little bits and pieces that make this game so loveable: Quafe, The Device, The Damsel, A Lot Of Money, you name it. Don't take the fun out of the game! Developers! Please talk to your customers! :)
sg3s Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Katarina Littewskovic Edited by: Katarina Littewskovic on 21/10/2009 23:06:58 - I must say I was flattered when I first saw Crop Circle's sign. Usually you just see not-so-pleasing-to-the-eye VERY ordinary corp advertising. Dull. Boring. Commercialism. The finger at 'em! Crop Circle's sign made me change my mind, though. Truly inspiring, and (to me) a pleasure to look at, without being intrusive on the commercial side of things. Sure: who am I to judge which piece of art deserves to stay and which doesn't? I do believe there are many ppl who enjoy the odd nicely done sign here and there. I made one of my own, just to see if I can do it. During the 5 hours I worked on it, I had like 20+ ppl address me and say, 'wow, nice sign', but not ONE single player said, 'Take this down, you are lagging my server!'. I agree that if the cans severely lag the servers as has been stated above, that is surely undesirable. BUT: Technical issues as an excuse to remove them? PLEASE. I've been a server admin for years on many gameservers (not EVE, but once you've seen a couple online games, you notice certain similarities :) Linux, Windows, you name it. We're not talking about a bunch of rented 'gameservers'. We're talking about internet roots and the management thereof, including all aspects of network performance, cache + CPU handling etc. And ONE thing I've learned is this: Where there's a WILL, there SURE is a WAY. 'Technical issues' are usually not shortcomings of a system, but rather a cheap excuse of the ppl programming it. By no means do I intend to insult the ppl who maintain EVE. I enjoy the game, and probably will for quite a while. Hence my plead: EVE DEVELOPERS / PROGRAMMERS : Be part of the solution, not of the problem :) Maybe the lag caused by cans could be reduced. Maybe some art / graffiti system could be implemented that does NOT involve cans. Maybe with bitmaps, maybe like the CONCORD billboards near the gates. Who knows. If YOUR creative thinking is a true match to some of the can artists I've seen linked here, you will find a way in no time. Be creative, some of this stuff is too precious to give way to 'technical issues'. Please do! o/ Katja aka T Good points, and true, mostly. I agree 'technical issues' is overused as an excuse, but they do actually exist... Before the can nerf there has been some discussion on why the items in space lag so much and if it couldn't be fixed using different methods. Came down to that the structure it all happened in was too interwoven/core to eve, changing it would be rewriting much of eve, this is were it becomes a technical issue. It is possible, everything is possible after all, but it is not worth the time nor money and an easier more obvious option was available (which would also benefit other parts of eve (free the empire belts!))... That said, I am for 'saving' projects like this... That is some fine piece of art you made there dude... That shouldn't have hurt anyone so kinda dissapointing a GM decided to remove it (would've been fun to look it up).
Kweel Nakashyn shadow and cloaking Mordus Angels	Posted - 2009.10.22 11:57:00 - [17] Originally by: Katarina Littewskovic Maybe some art / graffiti system could be implemented that does NOT involve cans. Maybe with bitmaps, maybe like the CONCORD billboards near the gates. Graffitis on billboards !! \o/ Fetchez la vache ! moar(tm) < soon(tm) :(
Serpents smile	Posted - 2009.10.22 12:06:00 - [18] Edited by: Serpents smile on 22/10/2009 12:06:48 Originally by: Katarina Littewskovic - There are so many little bits and pieces that make this game so loveable: Quafe, The Device, The Damsel, A Lot Of Money, you name it. Don't take the fun out of the game! I dunno, looks like the current head in charge of ingame ascetics wants things to be cold and harsh looking. Fluffy stuff like can art probably doesn't belong in there. If you know the level 4 mission recon, pocket 2 mission 1 had a bunch of asteroids in them. Looking from above on the whole they where shaped like a bug. Last patch they changed that so that little novelty, which gave me a smile on my face because it showed some dev had some humor when creating this part, got wacked for no reason. At least non I can come up with.

CCP StevieSG	Posted - 2009.10.22 13:18:00 - [19] Moved to Features and Ideas from Eve General- Stevie

Katarina Littewskovic	Posted - 2009.10.22 15:54:00 - [20] - Quote: sg3s: ...an easier more obvious option was available (which would also benefit other parts of eve (free the empire belts!))... Like what? :) Probably I'm just missing the point, or did you mean, they simply prohibited can art and that was it? @ Serpents smile: I'd like to keep the discussion to a factual level, if possible. Of course, it LOOKS like some corporate entity ignores customers' craving for fun and entertainment. It seems like more and more features which make this game fun and unique have to give way to 'technical issues' and corporate decisions. Makes me pretty angry as well. But let's not insult people. SOME emoting probably cannot be suppressed when it comes to things like the ones we are talking about. But: if we want to be heard, we need to stay serious. So: I agree with your point, but try to be positive :)

Scientist2536	Posted - 2009.10.23 01:51:00 - [21] Edited by: Scientist2536 on 23/10/2009 01:56:05 Was flyin through Udema and capped it for prosperity cause it was sick First Second Must say bravo 10/10 execution, and proportions are great I cried when they took down my billboard in Ibura, but pics not nearly as good as yours but haus to boot
AtheistOfDoom Amarr The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.23 02:56:00 - [22] Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 23/10/2009 02:56:48 Originally by: RabbidFerret Linky ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Pesets The Hunt Club	Posted - 2009.10.25 04:39:00 - [23] Edited by: Pesets on 25/10/2009 04:40:50 From what i understand, it shouldn't really lag if you have an overview filter for cans and their brackets. It really just boils down to what you consider "art" though. While i would argue that TIE fighter was definitely awesome, i don't think everyone would necessarily appreciate having to load a hundred cans just to see the EVE logo. It does look neat but, tbh, the first thing that comes to mind is "[s]he must've had hell of a lot of spare time", not "omg that's unbelievably creative". I'd propose a middle ground that can art shouldn't be anchored near gates and stations. Places like static plexes/sightseeing beacons seem like a better place for them. Anchoring them at planets is also an option. True, it means a lot less people will ever see it on a planet, but then it would also add some true emergent exploration to the game that tries so hard at delivering it. Truly amazing works might even become known sightseeing points in their own right...
Kaya Divine Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.10.25 06:11:00 - [24] Can art is lovely, when I encounter it.. it really do put smile on my face...which is art all about....waking up emotions. Shoot your shot...
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2009.10.25 08:51:00 - [25] Originally by: AtheistOfDoom Edited by: AtheistOfDoom on 23/10/2009 02:56:48 Originally by: RabbidFerret Linky ... I remember that one - came across it while looking for a POS location. The image doesn't make it very clear, but it was a pretty good 3-D sketch. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule
Leeham Gallente Dissonance Corp Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.10.25 10:55:00 - [26] Why not allow can art in certain systems? I have yet to see anyone who wasnt in awe of the can rings and numerous designs that once floated at the eve gate
Crop Circle	Posted - 2009.10.25 18:20:00 - [27] When I was making the logo there was one person that said it was crap and that he was going to petition it, I didn't count how many said it was awesome in local but they were many. My impression is that the majority of people don't mind lagging a bit when they get to see something cool. If CCP had some will and managed to implement a feature that complemented art (people with some time to spare) in lets say the next 10 years I'd be like this
IRISH RIAN Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.26 16:05:00 - [28] I like can art. the smilie faces always make me laugh. i would rather see can art then pilots putting damn recruitment ads, isk selling ads, or market/contract orders. Why is the eve cemetary allowed if can art isn't. all those corpse in space is sick i would rather see can art. Unless it it becomes ad's to real world stuff. All is good Chillax (Chillin meets Relaxing). I salute all service memebers. POW-MIA ur not forgotten.
Archon Thea	Posted - 2009.11.12 03:42:00 - [29] Originally by: Tippia I remember Uedama before the 30-day secure can auto-removalà It could at times rival Jita for lagginess due to the can spam. Soà yeahà I suppose, as long as it's just regular jet cans, knock yourself out. They'll clean themselves up in short order. Why would I make a sign with jetcans that disappear in 2 hours? It's not even possible on this scale, it took close to 23 hours to make it.
Jade Kitana	Posted - 2009.11.12 04:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Leeham Why not allow can art in certain systems? I have yet to see anyone who wasnt in awe of the can rings and numerous designs that once floated at the eve gate One man's art is another man's eye sore. If someone wants to spend all kinds of time on something like this, fine. But it shouldn't persist to force others to look at it. Despite what many say, not eveyone appreciates the "art" in this. Besides, it's an imersion breaker.



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