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Mr Xanatos	Posted - 2009.10.23 11:17:00 - [1] Me and a few friend have tried using a Lvl 5 agent that is on a hi/low sec border to pull hi sec missions without much luck. We have asked for at least 20 missions and not one of them is in hi sec, all are in the agents system or the neighbouring low sec system. There is also a lvl 2/4 agents in systme and we are having the same results with them. The neighbouring hi sec systems that we want to land the mission in is in a different region, is this the reason the agents wont give us hi sec mission or are we just having a run of bad luck?
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.10.23 11:31:00 - [2] Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec
Mr Xanatos	Posted - 2009.10.23 11:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Tian Nu lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Lvl 5 Agents are all based in low from what I know but they give some of their missions in hi sec if you use an Agent who is on a hi sec/low sec border. I have friends who make a living running hi sec lvl 5's as there are 7 of them who just accept the hi sec missions and reject the rest which results in pretty much as constant stream of hi sec missions. This is what I am aiming for but I think the region thing is catching me out
Zarlis Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.23 12:28:00 - [4] Kill mission agents don't seem to give missions that cross constellations so as long as the hisec system is in the same constellations as the agents you should get some missions in that system. I have used this in reverse as i have used an agent in hisec next to a low sec system but never got missions in lo sec as it was in the next constellations
adriaans Amarr Ankaa. Nair Al-Zaurak	Posted - 2009.10.23 12:46:00 - [5] it has to be in same constallation -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr! Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail. QFT!
Mr Xanatos	Posted - 2009.10.23 13:06:00 - [6] Originally by: adriaans it has to be in same constallation Just checked and they are different regions and constellations. Dumb luck, loads of time wasted by few of us grinding up standings. Its the only border agent for the NPC we mission for so have to switch to Caldari now Thanks for the input LET THE GRIND BEGIN
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.23 15:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Mr Xanatos ... loads of time wasted by few of us grinding up standings. If you have a gang, might as well run them in losec. You should be able to fend off most pirate gangs if you're in a gang of your own. Losec L5 missions are more of an issue when running them solo IMO. Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
goazer Amarr Dark Amarr Brotherhood	Posted - 2009.10.23 16:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too.
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.10.23 21:04:00 - [9] Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 21:03:59 Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. As I told I seen only ONE happy to know there is moreà Pls show me agents that will give me most high sec lvl 5 ?

CCP Dropbear	Posted - 2009.10.23 21:20:00 - [10] Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever.


Horchan Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.23 21:46:00 - [11] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Don't count on that lasting forever. --- DesuSigs
Lady Aja Caldari Interspatial Logistics Rogue Elements.	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:39:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. BAHAHAHA! if you was not reading this right now? what would you be doing instead of reading my sig?
Tian Nu	Posted - 2009.10.23 22:47:00 - [13] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. there you go, lvl5 are not suposed to be in high sec.
Zach 101	Posted - 2009.10.23 23:16:00 - [14] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. yes all lv 5 agents are in lowsec and can go to highsec the only problem with that is that means no caps but i guess that is only a 'for now'
Cadde Gallente FireworX	Posted - 2009.10.23 23:40:00 - [15] It doesn't matter if it's a combat agent or a courier/mining agent. It's the type of mission that decides where you get it. (Or how far away it can be) Unfortunately it's one of mine and my brothers little secrets so i can't tell you exactly how it works. All i wanted to say is, it doesn't matter if there's a constellation or even a region border... nuff said! My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.10.24 02:29:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. <3 you
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.24 04:02:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. Made my day. More meat to the grinder.
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.24 04:38:00 - [18] mmm, that's good, get those who want to fly lvl5's into the meat grinder. Or is it a desolate wasteland with no one in it? -----------------------------------------------------
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.24 08:20:00 - [19] Edited by: Qui Shon on 24/10/2009 08:20:11 Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. Populating lowsec by way of luring PvE folks in with a shiny bait, is always going to be a failed proposition, giving scattered and sparse results at best. If you want more then the odd PvE squad to gank for yourself, it's the scanning mechanics you need to change.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.24 09:40:00 - [20] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. Very well, probably it is a thing that you should do, but would CCP care to give a before and after the change report of the number of level 5 mission done? It would be a interesting statistic. Even more interesting a statistic of the number of level 5 missions currently done in high sec and low sec, possibly broken for agent or at least race.

Aingelluss	Posted - 2009.10.24 12:03:00 - [21] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. Hate you really do
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2009.10.24 12:54:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. If you do that please make it apply in opposite direction also. Ie if you ask mission in hi sec from agent bordering low sec it will not send you to low sec either. Would be only fair if low sec agents will stop sending you to hi sec, right ?
Celia Therone	Posted - 2009.10.24 13:21:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. God forbid that there'd actually be interesting and challenging PvE in the... PvE environment. That makes no sense whatsoever, please nerf the sandbox immediately to prevent this.
Contralto GCHQ	Posted - 2009.10.24 15:30:00 - [24] Edited by: Contralto on 24/10/2009 15:30:59 I thought Faction Warfare would be enough to feed lo sec piracy with fresh meat? If this happens I guess we are going to have to give up lvl V's or adapt! I see Eccm T3's, Tengu tanker, Tengu Damage and Warfare link Loki for the Sig radius bonus in my Crystal ball. Marauders and RR Domi's will have to be mothballed that's for sure!
Suas Perkone	Posted - 2009.10.24 16:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Celia Therone Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. God forbid that there'd actually be interesting and challenging PvE in the... PvE environment. That makes no sense whatsoever, please nerf the sandbox immediately to prevent this. Oh boy. Cry more. _________________________ HELLO! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. PREPARE TO DIE!
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.24 19:02:00 - [26] Originally by: Contralto Edited by: Contralto on 24/10/2009 15:30:59 I thought Faction Warfare would be enough to feed lo sec piracy with fresh meat? If this happens I guess we are going to have to give up lvl V's or adapt! I see Eccm T3's, Tengu tanker, Tengu Damage and Warfare link Loki for the Sig radius bonus in my Crystal ball. Marauders and RR Domi's will have to be mothballed that's for sure! I foresee additional posts by those who are so terrified of low sec that they don't take even a look into low sec. For if those people did, they'd find that once more than 2-3 jumps from high sec (not counting fw zones) you can go 10 jumps without seeing a single player. And there are lvl5 agents in that desolate wasteland. You can go there in a shuttle and proclaim yourself king of the system and none will dispute it because no one but you is there to see it. -----------------------------------------------------
Ivanna Nuke Daralux	Posted - 2009.10.24 19:16:00 - [27] Soon Level 5 missions will require you to have flown 64 jumps into null sec space, and used officer fitted T3 ships to convince the agent that you are worthy.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.24 19:50:00 - [28] Originally by: King Rothgar I foresee additional posts by those who are so terrified of low sec that they don't take even a look into low sec. For if those people did, they'd find that once more than 2-3 jumps from high sec (not counting fw zones) you can go 10 jumps without seeing a single player. And there are lvl5 agents in that desolate wasteland. You can go there in a shuttle and proclaim yourself king of the system and none will dispute it because no one but you is there to see it. Yeeeeaaah , nobody but you.... and every single person looking at ded statistics on the map. If you want more people to gank, and of course you do, this is a failed method. I just wish CCP would realize that.
Alvatore DiMarco Gallente Inquest	Posted - 2009.10.24 19:59:00 - [29] (TL;DR at bottom for you exceptionally lazy bastards) Hmmm. I don't understand all the tears. Well, maybe I do. Greedy people who want no risk and all reward, plus not sharing that reward with anyone else. It's all bull**** though. If you can fly a Lv5 mission you should also be able to gather up a fleet to fly it with, even if the other people in the fleet are just there to deal with PvPers. Even if they're there to help mission, effective PvE fits aren't perfect for PvP but with enough people you should still be able to chase off anyone who wants to start something. I've never flown a Lv5 mission (never been that interested), much less a lowsec mission (aside from couriers), but I've spent enough time in Eve to know that you don't go anywhere without keeping your eyes open. That's just a basic rule, isn't it? Keep your eye on the overview and keep Local where you can see it easily. Just basic Eve 101 stuff. When you go into a place where people can shoot you, anticipate being shot at (fit your ship accordingly) and if neccessary, take friends/corp members/alliance members/etc with you. TL;DR: To All Crying L5 Missioners - Either abandon your L5 incomes or HTFU and L2EVE.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife	Posted - 2009.10.25 00:04:00 - [30] Edited by: Mahke on 25/10/2009 00:05:46 Originally by: King Rothgar Originally by: Contralto Edited by: Contralto on 24/10/2009 15:30:59 I thought Faction Warfare would be enough to feed lo sec piracy with fresh meat? If this happens I guess we are going to have to give up lvl V's or adapt! I see Eccm T3's, Tengu tanker, Tengu Damage and Warfare link Loki for the Sig radius bonus in my Crystal ball. Marauders and RR Domi's will have to be mothballed that's for sure! I foresee additional posts by those who are so terrified of low sec that they don't take even a look into low sec. For if those people did, they'd find that once more than 2-3 jumps from high sec (not counting fw zones) you can go 10 jumps without seeing a single player. And there are lvl5 agents in that desolate wasteland. You can go there in a shuttle and proclaim yourself king of the system and none will dispute it because no one but you is there to see it. I have seriously thought about this. The problem is that combine the invest (get sp for a ship that can solo V's), danger, distraction, and most critically, complete standings trashing make lowsec level V's not worth doing for most people, despite being excellent isk/hour. If you want to see more people doing V's in lowsec, we need more anti-pirate/drone missions and less anti-empire ones. edit: actually, EVE pve in general would benefit from a (difficult, to make standings still matter ofc) mechanism to recover standings even when they've gone to hell.

Celia Therone	Posted - 2009.10.25 01:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Alvatore DiMarco I've never flown a Lv5 mission (never been that interested), much less a lowsec mission (aside from couriers), but I've spent enough time in Eve to know that you don't go anywhere without keeping your eyes open. TL;DR: To All Crying L5 Missioners - Either abandon your L5 incomes or HTFU and L2EVE. Here's a thought... Why don't you actually try and see how these aspects of the game work now before commenting on whether it's a good idea to change them? This wont hugely impact me because I mostly run level 5's to help out in-game friends that have spent literally months of time training (often more than one account) with the aim of running these missions. These are people who already run low sec pos (as do I), explore in low sec (as do I) and occasionally do low sec PvP (not really my thing but it's part of low sec). Is this a change that will really encourage people into low sec or will it just be another nail in the low sec coffin, discouraging those who are testing the low sec waters?
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.10.25 03:25:00 - [32] Originally by: Celia Therone Originally by: Alvatore DiMarco I've never flown a Lv5 mission (never been that interested), much less a lowsec mission (aside from couriers), but I've spent enough time in Eve to know that you don't go anywhere without keeping your eyes open. TL;DR: To All Crying L5 Missioners - Either abandon your L5 incomes or HTFU and L2EVE. Here's a thought... Why don't you actually try and see how these aspects of the game work now before commenting on whether it's a good idea to change them? This wont hugely impact me because I mostly run level 5's to help out in-game friends that have spent literally months of time training (often more than one account) with the aim of running these missions. These are people who already run low sec pos (as do I), explore in low sec (as do I) and occasionally do low sec PvP (not really my thing but it's part of low sec). Is this a change that will really encourage people into low sec or will it just be another nail in the low sec coffin, discouraging those who are testing the low sec waters? So you form a team and go do Lvl5 missions? I guess that means you are competent pilots with quite a good chunk of isk in your name. Wait, I have an idea! What if there was an in-game way to formalize the team you and your friends have built allowing you to pursue common goals? I don't know, we could call it, say ...corporation? And if you are determined you could even go to war with those camping you out of the systems that hold those lvl5 missions? But that need a formal way to say to those pirates you are at war, eh? Like declaring war, wardeccing...something like that. And then, CCP could put a way in game for gangs and fleets to operate cohesively and have bonuses when properly organized... but yeah, I know, it's hard to wait for the implementation of all these features, ain't it?
Celia Therone	Posted - 2009.10.25 06:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Tagami Wasp So you form a team and go do Lvl5 missions? I guess that means you are competent pilots with quite a good chunk of isk in your name. Wait, I have an idea! What if there was an in-game way to formalize the team you and your friends have built allowing you to pursue common goals? I don't know, we could call it, say ...corporation? And if you are determined you could even go to war with those camping you out of the systems that hold those lvl5 missions? But that need a formal way to say to those pirates you are at war, eh? Like declaring war, wardeccing...something like that. And then, CCP could put a way in game for gangs and fleets to operate cohesively and have bonuses when properly organized... but yeah, I know, it's hard to wait for the implementation of all these features, ain't it? Funny thing is, in low sec we generally just fight. That whole war dec thing doesn't seem to come into play much. Pirates seem to like using it to harass newbies in high sec though. But carry on theory-crafting. And how this plays into completing level 5's I don't know. You seem to assume that people who would attack you in level 5's are just folks looking for a good fight. Nope, they're looking for a cheap kill and tears. So they'll happily be in a 'war' with you as long as it shuts you down and spend the time hiding in station and playing elsewhere (like safely in high sec) on their alts.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2009.10.25 08:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Alvatore DiMarco (TL;DR at bottom for you exceptionally lazy bastards) Hmmm. I don't understand all the tears. Well, maybe I do. Greedy people who want no risk and all reward, plus not sharing that reward with anyone else. It's all bull**** though. If you can fly a Lv5 mission you should also be able to gather up a fleet to fly it with, even if the other people in the fleet are just there to deal with PvPers. Even if they're there to help mission, effective PvE fits aren't perfect for PvP but with enough people you should still be able to chase off anyone who wants to start something. I've never flown a Lv5 mission (never been that interested), much less a lowsec mission (aside from couriers), but I've spent enough time in Eve to know that you don't go anywhere without keeping your eyes open. That's just a basic rule, isn't it? Keep your eye on the overview and keep Local where you can see it easily. Just basic Eve 101 stuff. When you go into a place where people can shoot you, anticipate being shot at (fit your ship accordingly) and if neccessary, take friends/corp members/alliance members/etc with you. TL;DR: To All Crying L5 Missioners - Either abandon your L5 incomes or HTFU and L2EVE. You are missing some point: - level 5 missions for the most part are fairly boring as the "solution" to make them "challenging" was "add more cap disrupting towers" and the response was "bring passively tanked and missile spewing ships", not the best ship for PvP; - the return are good for 2 players but not for a larger fleet, making it not rewarding to bring a large fleet, especially when the pilots in the fleet can do several level 4 in high sec in the same timeframe. So people do level 5 for the novelty or, if they can spawn them in high sec, to farm the LP, but there is no real interest to make them a low sec constant activity as there are more interesting and more rewarding activities you can do in low sec. So, as in your TL;DR, most people will abandon level 5 if they can be done only in low sec.
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.10.25 11:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: goazer Originally by: Tian Nu Edited by: Tian Nu on 23/10/2009 11:31:45 lvl 5 = low sec i think i seen one (and only) lvl5 in high sec Wrong, agents are in lowsec, but if the next door system is in highsec, you will get lvl 5 missions to highsec too. Don't count on that lasting forever. If you do that please make it apply in opposite direction also. Ie if you ask mission in hi sec from agent bordering low sec it will not send you to low sec either. Would be only fair if low sec agents will stop sending you to hi sec, right ? If Level 5's are going to be limited to low-sec (or possibly 0.0) then it's only fair in return to ask that Level 1's stay out of low-sec and 0.0 (pirate faction missions excluded), but not the others. Of course, making Level 5's worth running in the first place is another angle that's almost being ignored in this discussion.
Dirk Mortice	Posted - 2009.10.25 14:38:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Don't count on that lasting forever. Have my babies
Loco Eve State War Academy	Posted - 2009.10.25 15:09:00 - [37] run some in low sec. and then you will get some in high sec.
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.25 18:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Zaknussem If Level 5's are going to be limited to low-sec (or possibly 0.0) then it's only fair in return to ask that Level 1's stay out of low-sec and 0.0 (pirate faction missions excluded), but not the others. Of course, making Level 5's worth running in the first place is another angle that's almost being ignored in this discussion. 80k LP for a mission that takes a mere hour solo is not an unreasonable reward. Of course, to make that time you need a carrier or an epically pimped out BS. The carrier is cheaper and can be insured though, so the latter option is a bit silly. I agree that lvl5's are a bit boring. Nearly all of them are just frigate spam with some neut towers. It's amazing really. A good lvl4 mission has 40M isk in bounties, a typical lvl5 has about 10M. I find my most common weapon on lvl5's is not my fighters or sentries, it's a swarm of hobgoblin II's. They should really change that. Make it more like lvl4 blockade but do all 5 spawns at once. On a related note, all of them should have acceleration gates removed. They should be made true capital ship missions. As said, if you split it 3-4 ways like is currently done by many, you are better off just running lvl4's. -----------------------------------------------------
Zaknussem Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.10.26 14:50:00 - [39] Originally by: King Rothgar A good lvl4 mission has 40M isk in bounties. I'm gonna have to call you out on that one, because I don't buy it. A L4 mission that pays out 40M ISK in bounties is a very rare thing indeed, up to the point that I doubt it even exists. The highest reliable bounty amount I've seen is 29M ISK for all 6 pockets of Guristas Extravaganza. That doesn't count the agent reward or corp taxes. All 6 pockets of Angel Extravaganza actually pay less than the Guristas version. Worlds Collide and The Blockade could possibly equal or surpass this, but it depends upon whether the rare rat spawns or not, and then again whether it's the valuable rat that spawns or not.
King Rothgar Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2009.10.27 04:56:00 - [40] 40M in bounties is indeed incorrect, what I meant to say is total isk payout. Running Sansha blockade in 0.1 sec yields about 40M between bounties and isk mission reward. This is on top of around 10k LP. Pirate invasion (sansha) has about 6k LP reward with ballpark of 30-40M in bounties/isk reward in the same system. The largest isk payout I've gotten in a lvl5 is about 20-25M between mission reward and bounties, the lowest amount of LP I've ever received was 72k. The point isn't the exact numbers here, it's that up until you reach lvl5's, isk rewards outweigh LP rewards. But once at lvl5 the isk reward nearly vanishes and you are left with nothing but tons of LP. This is the result of lvl5's spawning very few BS's compared to a typical lvl4. Instead of BS's worth 800k+ a piece, you get 3-4 frigates worth 25k. In any case, lvl5's are worth it if you solo or duo them. 3+ players and it's just pointless IMHO. -----------------------------------------------------

Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.10.27 11:16:00 - [41] The "bounties" in L5's are tags. I apparently ran for crappy agents then, because I got as low as 54k LP from some, for example Location Location 1/5. Which gave 40m in tags, 12m in salvage, 14m in reprocessed loot, roughly. Your ideas about L5's being filled to the brim with frigs is completely wrong btw. You only think that because you only do the non-gated ones. Putting these things in lowsec was and is one of CCP's most ridiculous ideas. Not many people are going to bother looting there. I sure didn't, just a quick blitz in cheap ships, dock and travel fit. They apparently still don't get it that they are the ones who killed lowsec with the "commitment to battle" way of thinking, and downright silly scanning mechanics. Stacking all the cards in favor of the aggressor, the result we have is a given.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2009.10.27 12:07:00 - [42] Edited by: Durzel on 27/10/2009 12:08:12 Intelligent people aren't going to fly pimped PVE-fit ships in lowsec unless they're in a corp that already "controls" the system, regardless of anything CCP would do to lowsec rewards. Unless I'm mistaken people running L5s in neighbouring highsec systems aren't flying their L5 ships into lowsec anyway, they're just jumping in a shuttle, picking up the mission and getting the f*** out asap. So in that respect it's not as if pirates are missing out on juicy pimp ship kills either way. That being said being able to run highsec L5 missions when the agents themselves are all in lowsec does seem like a bit of an oversight. They're all in lowsec for a reason. shrug
Actumarius Caldari Malevolent Intentions	Posted - 2009.10.27 12:31:00 - [43] Risk and reward. Secure the system and reap the benefits. Or join a corp that has. Otherwise stay in hi-sec and play EVE in boring mode.
Borg Shopper	Posted - 2009.10.27 18:41:00 - [44] Easier to secure deep/true null sec (0.05 and below) than low sec. The costs of such security would overwhelm the finances of any OP in low-sec... Mish belong in hi-sec, where you fit for them. Otherwise, they'd be omni dmg and highest DPS would win (a la Sleepers). Amarr = own the WH... EVE would lose flavor if that were to happen Easier to do a 0.0 site than a lvl 5 anyhow
R Ramjet Virgin Galactica	Posted - 2009.10.27 23:29:00 - [45] I've been running L5 missions for a few months now, in a gang of 4. We (now) only accept Hi-Sec missions, as in the one and only lowsec mission we attempted, we were scanned down and jumped on by no less than 20 pirates within 10 mins of entering the mission. They also proceeded to leave someone watching the accel gates for the next few days until the mission expired. I'm not upset about a losing a few BS's or having PvP in my mission, that's part of eve. But blobs of pirates, + the L5 mission spawn Vs. 4 PvE setups is a guaranteed loss. The L5 agent system is most often camped, and the systems around it are bustling with pirates awaiting l5 mission setups permanantly. The point I'm trying to make here is that low sec L5 mission running is not 'acceptable risk', it is suicide. You will get scanned down, and you will get blobbed, no matter how much protection you bring. Even aligning and getting out in time is not an option, because there is so much scram frigs in L5's, and these are often spawn triggers. Also, as mentioned earlier in this thread. Sharing L5 mission rewards is not profitable when spread out further than a few pilots - so hiring protection really isn't worth it. This on top of the type of missions available (At least half mission offers are factional, and will incur standing loss with another faction, or drone missions with no bounties.) and the low income incentive relative to L4's. I suggest that removing Hi-Sec L5 offers should seal the fate of almost all L5 mission running.
Terminus Vindictus Caldari	Posted - 2009.10.28 00:04:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Don't count on that lasting forever. I really don't understand the rationale for CCP removing L5's from being able to be run in hisec. I'd be curious to find out how many players run L5's in losec overall. What the reasoning for taking out what's one of the few challenging aspects of the game for those players who want to focus on hisec PvE? Assuming none or very few of the players who currently run L5's in hisec would venture into losec solo with their PvE setups, what's the point of even having L5's in the game if they'd just sit idle? There's no imbalance caused by L5's being available in hisec. /baffled... Hello, I'm from the Government and I'm here to help.
wallenbergaren	Posted - 2009.10.28 10:56:00 - [47] You're baffled? Grow up Why do you think the agents are in lowsec to begin with? It's not hard to do them there. If you're too much of a ***** then your loss
Zaza Zebra	Posted - 2009.10.28 11:57:00 - [48] It's easy to get isk from lvl 5 missions, do 8 of them, get the tags together, maybe buy some more and get a faction bs from lp store, sell it and you get more from them then 8 lvl 4 missions. quite profitable I'd say. But on topic, lvl 5 missions were designed to be in low sec, game mechanics have allowed them to be in high sec. be glad. If they weren't no one would have bothered. I'd say risk it or don't. Everyone has their own playstyle based on what the game allows. Some like low sec and some don't. That is why it is a sandbox. All part of the game.
Martini20 RiotDay	Posted - 2009.11.06 06:15:00 - [49] Originally by: R Ramjet The L5 agent system is most often camped, and the systems around it are bustling with pirates awaiting l5 mission setups permanantly. The point I'm trying to make here is that low sec L5 mission running is not 'acceptable risk', it is suicide. You will get scanned down, and you will get blobbed, no matter how much protection you bring. Even aligning and getting out in time is not an option, because there is so much scram frigs in L5's, and these are often spawn triggers. this !


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