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Ronja
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:22:00 -
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...big bad falcon came and ruined our party again, perma jammed 4 of us while we were pirating on a gate. ECCM or not, damn things are outa control. We,the piwats, need a counter to this crap. It can one of the three thins below: 1) nerf falcon to only be able to jam one or two targets, 4 is just insane, wtf we weren't in marauders or anything 2)improve counter to ECM which happens to be ECCM, which happens to be useless 3)allow pirates use falcons on the gates that means no sentries, skill maybe? lol at this option myself :)
Either way, there is a clear imbalance on ECM. Even a bs with 2 ECCM get jammed is ******ed. Nerf the damn thing inline with other recons. Blah blah blah
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Xing Fey
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:32:00 -
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The falcon cannot permajam any BS whatsoever. Even marauders cannot be reliably permajammed without SDAs.
I find your story very unlikely.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:40:00 -
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the postnerf falcon is too weak and needs a boost. Permajammed 4 of you. How damn bad were you being unable to kill a single falcon???
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FISHANDCHIPS
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:47:00 -
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4) quit your jibba jabba
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mchief117
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ronja ...big bad falcon came and ruined our party again, perma jammed 4 of us while we were pirating on a gate. ECCM or not, damn things are outa control. We,the piwats, need a counter to this crap. It can one of the three thins below: 1) nerf falcon to only be able to jam one or two targets, 4 is just insane, wtf we weren't in marauders or anything 2)improve counter to ECM which happens to be ECCM, which happens to be useless 3)allow pirates use falcons on the gates that means no sentries, skill maybe? lol at this option myself :)
Either way, there is a clear imbalance on ECM. Even a bs with 2 ECCM get jammed is ******ed. Nerf the damn thing inline with other recons. Blah blah blah
i would like to shake the hand of the piolet of said falcon
any time a player can **** of a pirate so much that he posts to try and nerf it must have been a increadable player
the game allready favors pirates both in low and high sec so it really make me feel happy that its not compleatly one sides in there favor
and if a falcon was able to perma jam 4 BS you have not set your ships up right
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.10.26 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera the postnerf falcon is too weak and needs a boost. Permajammed 4 of you. How damn bad were you being unable to kill a single falcon???
fail pirate is fail pirate i guess.
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2009.10.26 19:17:00 -
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(Jedi mind trick) This is not the troll you are looking for...
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Ronja
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.26 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ronja on 26/10/2009 20:42:33 Since you inglorious basterds won't listen, I'll have to tell the story of a fun gate camp gone wrong :)
- 4 of us sitting on the gate, making marshmellows...strawberry ones, g4y chit-chat and all that... - next thing scout reports a megathron on the other side, yay we scream, drop the soap and prime the guns - Megathron jumps in, 4 of us start to reduce it to dust. We have a hype, sleipneir, phobos and harbinger - ebil falcon uncloaks 40km off, jams us all, can't kill bs, and we stay hoping cycle drop - my sleipneir burns to the said ebil falcon and get on top of him, under 500m, still perma-jammed - my mates get a few rounds off between the ecm cycles but jammed the whole time. - we see our newbie harb drop to sentries/mega, then hype, then phobos... - the whole time not a single lock on the ebil falcon - damn thing needs to only work in optimal or soemthing, jezzzz
PS CCP hates pirates, only nerf us all day long in every imaginable way. The only two things that were given to us were HICs and illegal boosters and that really applies to all 0.0 also
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.10.26 20:50:00 -
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The problem is not with the Falcon/Rook, but rather: 1. The chance based nature of ECM. 2. The uselessness of ECCM, has no function beyond countering ECM. 3. The lamest mechanic ever devised.
The ECM mechanic needs a serious overhaul. Having a module that forces another to watch a cinematic without having a reliable way to prevent makes for such poor game-play that I am at a loss as to why it still exists in its current form.
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WuChiJIanRen
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: WuChiJIanRen on 26/10/2009 21:04:37 " Even a bs with 2 ECCM get jammed is ******ed."
At that moment neither of you had an ECCM,don't you? So don't mention a 2-ECCM-BS gets jamed by full-fire from a falcon please.If any of you had a PECCM or an ECCM,dare the falcon jamed 4 ships?
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Mkiaki
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:20:00 -
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LOL, more tears.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ronja Edited by: Ronja on 26/10/2009 20:42:33 Since you inglorious basterds won't listen, I'll have to tell the story of a fun gate camp gone wrong :)
- 4 of us sitting on the gate, making marshmellows...strawberry ones, g4y chit-chat and all that... - next thing scout reports a megathron on the other side, yay we scream, drop the soap and prime the guns - Megathron jumps in, 4 of us start to reduce it to dust. We have a hype, sleipneir, phobos and harbinger - ebil falcon uncloaks 40km off, jams us all, can't kill bs, and we stay hoping cycle drop - my sleipneir burns to the said ebil falcon and get on top of him, under 500m, still perma-jammed - my mates get a few rounds off between the ecm cycles but jammed the whole time. - we see our newbie harb drop to sentries/mega, then hype, then phobos... - the whole time not a single lock on the ebil falcon - damn thing needs to only work in optimal or soemthing, jezzzz
PS CCP hates pirates, only nerf us all day long in every imaginable way. The only two things that were given to us were HICs and illegal boosters and that really applies to all 0.0 also
- hype is a battleship? check - sleipneir is a battleships? dont check - phobos? dont check - harbinger? dont check?
so 1/4 were a battleship. your hyperion had really ECCM fitted? mind to share the killmail?
and for the long story. you can be sure the mega was just bait. they had you scouted out long before and the racial jammer fitted to knock out exactly your gang. someone played the games smarter than you.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.10.26 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 26/10/2009 21:24:58
I smell troll but...
You know you have to activate ECCM right?
and
I seem to recall the ecm ships getting a rather large nerf recently. Try turning down the "suck".
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Reggie Stoneloader
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.10.26 22:31:00 -
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I like number 3 the best. If only there was a large ECM boat, maybe battlecruiser or larger.
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Kara Sharalien
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Posted - 2009.10.26 22:53:00 -
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obligatory BECAUSE OF FALCON!
Originally by: Thuul'Khalat WHY YOU VIOLENCE MY BOAT?!
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Battlingbean
Heaven's Gate The Drift.
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Posted - 2009.10.26 23:04:00 -
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Where were your drones?? And if that fails fly a curse, then the falcon is beyond screwed.(I'm a falcon pilot )
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Avatoin
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Posted - 2009.10.27 00:25:00 -
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Please... the falcon just got nerfed so it can't jam you from a 100km away. But the fact 1BS and 3BC Hauls got permajammed by a single falcon seems to point to incompetence on your side and not an overpowered ship on theirs.
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Ronja
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.27 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
- hype is a battleship? check - sleipneir is a battleships? dont check - phobos? dont check - harbinger? dont check?
so 1/4 were a battleship. your hyperion had really ECCM fitted? mind to share the killmail?
and for the long story. you can be sure the mega was just bait. they had you scouted out long before and the racial jammer fitted to knock out exactly your gang. someone played the games smarter than you.
-Nobody said there were 4 battleships, comprehensive reading <--fail -Can't use drones on gates under sentries, they died long ago -Yes, I conceive the point on using a Scorpion. However, thats not the point since falcon without sentries is much better than Scorp under sentry fire. Can't use curse under sentries either.
I've personally had an abaddon (diff encounter )with 2 eccm and still get jammed. Falcon got a boost to strength of ECM and the nerf to range. It's still overpowered. I'm all in favor of force multiplier ships but there has to be a counter and that current -> ECCM is useless. Boost ECCM and keep your falcon as is, totally outperforming all other recons, totally fine with me.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2009.10.27 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ronja
Originally by: darius mclever
- hype is a battleship? check - sleipneir is a battleships? dont check - phobos? dont check - harbinger? dont check?
so 1/4 were a battleship. your hyperion had really ECCM fitted? mind to share the killmail?
and for the long story. you can be sure the mega was just bait. they had you scouted out long before and the racial jammer fitted to knock out exactly your gang. someone played the games smarter than you.
-Nobody said there were 4 battleships, comprehensive reading <--fail -Can't use drones on gates under sentries, they died long ago -Yes, I conceive the point on using a Scorpion. However, thats not the point since falcon without sentries is much better than Scorp under sentry fire. Can't use curse under sentries either.
I've personally had an abaddon (diff encounter )with 2 eccm and still get jammed. Falcon got a boost to strength of ECM and the nerf to range. It's still overpowered. I'm all in favor of force multiplier ships but there has to be a counter and that current -> ECCM is useless. Boost ECCM and keep your falcon as is, totally outperforming all other recons, totally fine with me.
Here's your problem right here: Gate guns. Maybe if you didn't have a criminal flag you'd have won. IT wasn't 4 on 2, it was 4 on 2+gate guns. Here's a tip, pick your battles better. Don't ask for a ship to be nerfed because you fail at strat.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.10.27 01:28:00 -
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decent troll bro
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Sith LordX
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Posted - 2009.10.27 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ronja ...big bad falcon came and ruined our party again, perma jammed 4 of us while we were pirating on a gate. ECCM or not, damn things are outa control. We,the piwats, need a counter to this crap. It can one of the three thins below: 1) nerf falcon to only be able to jam one or two targets, 4 is just insane, wtf we weren't in marauders or anything 2)improve counter to ECM which happens to be ECCM, which happens to be useless 3)allow pirates use falcons on the gates that means no sentries, skill maybe? lol at this option myself :)
Either way, there is a clear imbalance on ECM. Even a bs with 2 ECCM get jammed is ******ed. Nerf the damn thing inline with other recons. Blah blah blah
No your just a troll. It does what its sipose to do, thats its roll.
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Cedims
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Posted - 2009.10.27 13:31:00 -
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Oh come on, OP...
They just DID nerf the Falcon a little while back. What do you need, a silverplate full of victims? Crybaby!
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.10.27 14:04:00 -
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Gangs without the ability to counter ECM boats deserve to get blown up.
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ddred
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:39:00 -
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Nerf the falcon again? No. I allready sold my falcon because of the nerf. I doubt we need to stop production of them alltogether.
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Ronja
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ronja on 27/10/2009 16:53:13 dudes, what you don't get is that i can fly all the recons in game so I'm not biased towards one ship that I can't beat. The problem is that eccm is lame and doesn't produce the needed protection. Every newb 5 months into a game now tries to fly a falcon cause its uber. It's fine that ECCM works but cmon, jam all four of us, really? Either fix ECCM or make some chagnes to falcon, such as: -ECM modules cpu-heavy so falcons can't fit that many -make ECM suspeptible to otimal and fallof ranges -reduce targeting range for falcon so damps could be used against it -max target only 2 ships -somthing
Troll I must :) ECM is just too anoying to counter when we get constantly blobed with a bunch of them
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Nemtar Nataal
Demonic Retribution Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2009.10.27 16:55:00 -
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stop whining
/me moves on
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Ronja
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.10.27 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nemtar Nataal stop whining
/me moves on
I have an alt in your alliance, I will find you and r@pe your corpse.....
Back to the issue: ECM = iWin button still exists
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Swan Stratesses
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Posted - 2009.10.29 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ronja
Originally by: Nemtar Nataal stop whining
/me moves on
I have an alt in your alliance, I will find you and r@pe your corpse.....
Back to the issue: ECM = iWin button still exists
whine me a river: yes there is always a chance to be jammed regardless of number eccm's installed, but if you "win" one chance of 100 then you just looser and should ragequit.
P.S. Can I have your stuff?
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