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Plave Okice Red Federation	Posted - 2009.10.28 12:33:00 - [61] Originally by: Dani Leone Like the idea of making more rats scramble though, perhaps all frigate belt rats should have a chance of scrambling. Yeah I like this, I'd go as far as all npc frigs warp scrambling, in missions too.
Corwain	Posted - 2009.10.28 12:55:00 - [62] I'm sick of people going AFK in POS And screw those people that go AFK while docked Going afk is the cancer that is killing EVE! Down with all AFK cloakers! -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.10.28 13:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Corwain I'm sick of people going AFK in POS And screw those people that go AFK while docked I know.. those people could undock or come out of the POS at any time with no warning and attack someone that's ratting or mining.. it's totally unfair! How about we make it take some kind of fuel to sit in a POS or a station? Yeah... Or maybe a magic missle of some kind that bumps them out of the POS or pulls them out of the dock? ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Melika Akhostov	Posted - 2009.10.28 14:37:00 - [64] Edited by: Melika Akhostov on 28/10/2009 14:46:50 I dont think cloaking modules themselves should be touched in anyway. I just think there there is a need for a pos module than can only be ancored in space where the owner has sov. Which can scan cloakers, or even send a decloaking pulse, Even if it takes 30minutes to do so. This way afk cloakers that just sit in system on an alt all day just fore the sake of frustrating the resedents there, need to either DO something, move safe spots every half and hour, or GTFO. we could go and ask for cycle timers on cloaks or damage or crap like that, but that would also hurt the person stuck in deap space, who suddenly needs to cloak up to take a crap or answer the phone. Aswell as actual scouts/recon gangs.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.10.28 14:48:00 - [65] you feel unsafe in your ratting system in a company with a cloaker? :-D its a legal tactic either to prevent you from ratting or kill you if you do
Melika Akhostov	Posted - 2009.10.28 15:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 28/10/2009 14:49:46 you feel unsafe in your ratting system in a company with a cloaker? :-D its a legal tactic either to prevent you from ratting or kill you if you do. Cloak is fine, even if it makes it hard to catch careful, cloaky carebears in their ravens sometimes. Both sides have benefits of cloaks. The problem is not that they are there... its that you cant do anything nothing about it. Why the falcon nerf? I loved my falcon and it could jam at over 200km where hardly anyone could do sweet nothing about it.. oh wai.. You can form a gang and have everyone sitting around wishing for something to shoot. but they're not going to get it from some guy thats logged an alt in your system, then left home to take his gf to the movies, or gone to bed.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.10.28 15:20:00 - [67] Edited by: Robert Caldera on 28/10/2009 15:22:46 an afk cloaker does no harm and is a bad comparison to the falcon nerf for this reason. I understand your point but its exactly why cloakers are great. You can go have fun with your GF while scary carebears are sitting in their POS because of that :-DDDDD You wont get them ever otherwise in their rattings POSes, afk cloaking is a great tool against hiding bears.
Melika Akhostov	Posted - 2009.10.28 15:23:00 - [68] Edited by: Melika Akhostov on 28/10/2009 15:26:19 Originally by: Robert Caldera Edited by: Robert Caldera on 28/10/2009 15:22:46 an afk cloaker does no harm and is a bad comparison to the falcon nerf for this reason. I understand your point but its exactly why cloakers are great. You can go have fun with your GF while scary carebears are sitting in their POS because of that :-DDDDD You wont get them ever otherwise in their rattings POSes, afk cloaking is a great tool against hiding bears. Fact of the mater is its actually a perfect tactic.. its too good. Costs u nothing, mind ****s your opponent.. and eventual frustration on part of the resedents of those systems leads to them just logging off, or bit-ching, and alliances falling apart. All this done by a few guys that wearn't even at home. It not only bugs the bears but even the pvp pilots that have to put up with the wines... and the miners/bears are needed to build the ships. fuel the poses ect.
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.10.28 15:32:00 - [69] I dont think its too good, just get some company of your corp-m8s for carebearing if you are afraid of a single cloaker. I dont have any solace with alliances falling apart because of their whining carebears, its a sign of a bad alliance anyways.
Lilly Tebron	Posted - 2009.10.28 15:37:00 - [70] What most people are upset with seems to be the behavior of regular ships using cloaking devices other than the "Covert Ops Cloak". And most don't seem to have a problem with it's defensive capabilities, but rather its offensive ones, I.E. its ability to allow an cloaked ship the ability to scan you down at a mining belt and jump on you when he is ready, all for a negligible trade off. Meanwhile the true stealth ships give up quite a bit in the way of survivability (All t2 cov ops ships are comparably much more fragile than their HAC counterparts), and the only additional advantage they get is the ability to warp while cloaked (Which I will admit is nice). I would propose that all cloaking devices except the Covert Ops Cloak II turn off your directional scanner while operating. This would allow a cloaked ship to safe up and stay online when someone needs to go afk for something, but also prevent the same /afk cloaker from scanning you down while cloaked. Thus providing some level of comfort to said null sec carebear. I would also like to see an increase in the survivability of "true cloak ships" CovOps, Stealth bombers and Force Recons so they are actually a threat to something other than an ibis solo. Force Recons especially. An example would be an increase in the resistances and HPs of the shield systems of all ships in this category to help give them some fighting chance in any sort of engagement other than a quick bomb run type of gank. Both of these changes would encourage people who want to be a threat to carebears with their cloaks to actually use a ship designed for the task rather than slap a cloak on a drake and win.

Melika Akhostov	Posted - 2009.10.28 15:55:00 - [71] Edited by: Melika Akhostov on 28/10/2009 15:59:36 Edited by: Melika Akhostov on 28/10/2009 15:57:19 Originally by: Lilly Tebron I would propose that all cloaking devices except the Covert Ops Cloak II turn off your directional scanner while operating. I think you've probly come up with perhaps a very good suggestion there and it also firmly sets the 'covert ops' ships role as the scout. at the same time a safespot'd ratter also has to uncloak if he wants to check what his dealing with... if its really someone out to get him.. or just a hauler passing through, or he wants to pass intel on to his buddies. But still doesnt address that u dont know if a afk cloaker is in a recon or not -_-
Robert Caldera	Posted - 2009.10.28 16:06:00 - [72] I think its a good idea of taking cloaky bears the capability of scanning while cloaked. This would even reduce the number of noob scout alts sitting in their cloaky rifters somewhere, only for the purpose of having eyes on something without real efforts of skilling for a covert. Quote: Time Flux Detected You are going too fast! Wait five minutes and try again. Go back One page \| Go back to forums ..I,,
Cedims	Posted - 2009.10.28 23:48:00 - [73] Yes, some people live cloaked, it's a choice that person makes. "MACRO" players in general sucks, I agree. Penalizing the rest of the players while not really solving the problem? Fail! Finding a better solution? Kickass! No egg-timer for the cloaks is my vote, mate.
Lilly Tebron	Posted - 2009.10.29 02:43:00 - [74] Quote: I think you've probly come up with perhaps a very good suggestion there and it also firmly sets the 'covert ops' ships role as the scout. at the same time a safespot'd ratter also has to uncloak if he wants to check what his dealing with... if its really someone out to get him.. or just a hauler passing through, or he wants to pass intel on to his buddies. But still doesnt address that u dont know if a afk cloaker is in a recon or not -_- Well I personally think that the form of psychological warfare presented by an afk cloaker is a valid form of disruption, it just should not be so easy to do. More to the point, an afk cloaker who would actually be able to scan you down is in one of three types of ships under my suggestion: CovOps frig (not a threat to anyone) Stealth bomber (paper thin ship with limited targets solo) and a force recon (largely very expensive for the risk v reward), so its much easier for the ratting care bear to decide if he wants to risk it, and what hes likely to face, and what his chances are. It also still possible for dedicated stealth fleets to accomplish what they want to do, and if you go with the improvements I suggested you might see an even larger number of stealthy fleets flying around, which only adds to variety (something I think is usually a good thing). Finally, considering the time, ISK, and skill requirements for a good force recon pilot (you really need recon 5 to have a decent fit in a force recon, otherwise you are short CPU) it drastically reduces the number of people who have alts lying around they can dedicate to an alt /afk cloaker. So now you are down to a more manageable number of mains who dedicate themselves to this sort of flying, and a few odd balls with alts that can do it. The ultimate goal is not to eliminate the strategy, just require a much larger effort in obtaining the ability to perform the strategy, and reward people who dedicate themselves towards this end, much in the same way Sniper HAC fleet pilots (those who are really good at it) are rewarded for their dedication and time, or other similar pilots who plow through specialized paths.
kveldulfson The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 07:50:00 - [75] It would have made more sense if the OP had suggested that only covert ships can fit a cloaking device Not that that has not been suggested before in these forums.....
Lilly Tebron	Posted - 2009.10.29 12:39:00 - [76] Quote: It would have made more sense if the OP had suggested that only covert ships can fit a cloaking device Not that that has not been suggested before in these forums..... Except that goes against the nature of EVE with regard to ship fitting, and that is freedom of choice. It would be the same as saying a Blaster Guns can only be fit to Gallente ships or Minmatar are the only ships allowed to fit Projectile. We are allowed to fit modules which are unconventional. The argument is simply that a regular (non covops) cloak is simply too much when fit to certain types of ships, and (in my mind, this is even more important) that the benefits of dedicating yourself to the path of the covert ops pilot does not provide enough benefit when compared to other similar paths when you can achieve nearly the same thing with a regular cloak and have a vastly superior ship to boot.
Larinioides cornutus	Posted - 2009.10.29 13:38:00 - [77] The problem isnt with the cloak, but, as many has said it, with the afk. Many MMO I've seen where they disconnect you if you afk for a while, I dont see why that cannot be applied to eve. 15 mins or so and it'd attempt to log you off.
Cedims	Posted - 2009.11.05 23:38:00 - [78] Originally by: Larinioides cornutus The problem isnt with the cloak, but, as many has said it, with the afk. Many MMO I've seen where they disconnect you if you afk for a while, I dont see why that cannot be applied to eve. 15 mins or so and it'd attempt to log you off. Absolutely not, IMO... I do a lot of manufacturing, and a lot of noobs mine, which often takes long cycles for them, so they walk away for a bit... only then to come back and be logged out, what a bunch of crap! Lame-ass way of conserving server capacity. Not what I would like to pay for. FAIL!


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