You conveniently forgot to include what happened to those engaging in Piracy activities. Granted there will always be a small amount of Piracy happening in isolated areas but history has shown time and time again when it becomes a large scale activity affecting the welfare of citizens, the Authorities will hunt them down, kill them and or force them into hiding.

Seems it's always the same MO with players who advocate and try to justify the massive increase of Suicide Ganking in this game. Always trying to 'Rationalize away' opposing statements using broad 'Generalizations' presented with half truth 'Examples'.

Religious implication of the quote notwithstanding, Eve Online is not a kingdom.

Also, when you say "some of the high sec miner types" are up in arms, you mean a handful of very verbal forum posters.

"EVE is a game" is true. It is also a dodge.

EVE is (among other things) an activity. One filled with both weak willed and strong willed people. As in real life, the strong willed will find a way to do what they want regardless of the actions of others. The Weak willed will quit or whine/rage about unfariness. If you don't think enough of your chosen pass time/activiy to adapt to chainging circumstances to stay in that passtime/activity (because it's just a game), then why do it in the 1st place?

The people whining on the forums about the unfairness of having their Hulk smashed rather than being silent aren't observing the "it's just a game rule". If it were just a game to them, they'd simpyl log out/unsub and be gone, right?

This is not to say that EVE online is perfect and that no dissent is warranted, we all have thing we don't like, or that we think could be inproved. But we aren't talking about that, we are talking about weak minded individuals who buy into fallacy-land logic like "what's bad for me is bad for the game".

Which is why I say EVE may not be "real", but it mimics real life in one key aspect: only the strong survive.

If people whining on the forums bothers you...that makes you weak.

Join wolfpack?

So much wrong here.

But i'll adress one simple point. They made it my right to judge them in public by complaining in public. If a person simply quits the game or quits mining over the ganking but remains silent, I still have a negative opinion of them, but won't go out of my way to say it.

But these guys are doing it on the forums. Thus my suggestion to take a page from mission runners (who gave up some isk making ability by taking off the officer mods lol).

In my country (I'm American), some people like to throw up the whole "I have a right to free speech" thing when you say something against them. That's true,YOU do, so do I.

I'm not ccp, I can't force them to stop complaining, but by complaining without trying to adapt 1st, they consent to me and others calling them names like "weak" lol, just like how undocking in eve is consenting to pvp.........

The point is, people demonstrate character with their actions. The miners complaining about something that has always existed are demonstrating bad character.

But if ccp keeps suppording these types of players

Sadly, I would wager that the strongest among us are the miners. How many of us could sit here and do what they do? It's mind-numbing, and rather tedious.

You've never sat on a titan for an hour with a bored Boat waiting for enemies that never show up, have you...

I'm on the side of the hisec miners on this one. Something like 4k hulks have been destroyed. It is without a doubt more dangerous to be a miner in hisec than in nullsec. At least in nullsec you have the time to dock up at a POS if you see a neut in local, you only have 4 seconds in hisec and even then you might mistake the incoming ship for a returning industrial if you aren't on top of things every second. This is simply begging for a nerf like a buff to the Hulk and Mack or an even more powerful concord. I heard the same screaching when people were flying HACs at 10km/sec, how they deserved to fly these ships and their prey deserved to die because they were stupid, it was unbalanced and the balance was corrected. They cried and moaned that they would quit the game. Every time something gets overpowered it gets nerfed. Hisec ganking of Hulks deserves a nerf.

The real problem here is that nullsec alliances seem to need to generate content for their players. They should have better things to do with their time and isk than grief miners in hisec. Stuff like this never happened when people were fighting wars in nullsec. Now its one giant blue mob versus a few scattered alliances. That too deserves to be nerfed. This is blatant evidence that 0.0 is broken and giant flows of passive moon isk are making alliances fat beyond what they know what to spend their money on. Don't be suprised if ring mining destroys moon mining as an isk making operation. If that happens you will have the ultimate irony take place, the people griefing miners will have to turn to carebears and renters as a source of income to fund their pvp operations.

I'm on the side of the hisec miners on this one. Something like 4k hulks have been destroyed. It is without a doubt more dangerous to be a miner in hisec than in nullsec.

Nowhere in EVE is ever truly safe. Never has been and never should be.

EDIT: Also, people have a chance to hide in nullsec because the players have established a way for intelligence to be gathered so their members can be more secure. This is not necessarily handed to them, but worked for.

Well, kind of, local isn't really 'working for intelligence', but the intelligence network I suppose requires effort to establish.

not weak just dumb

You've never sat on a titan for an hour with a bored Boat waiting for enemies that never show up, have you...

You've never sat on a titan for an hour with a bored Boat waiting for enemies that never show up, have you...

For PvP and like to encourage more of it? Or perhaps you are an industrialist with a specific focus in game not directly concerned with PvP skilling to be effective at your role and therefore ineffective to apply teeth in response to criminal activities?

Want to validate a potential Career path in GëívGëí with new income potential that is ideally designed as simply a transferance of ISK from one pilot to another?

Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume as opposed to simply suprising soft industrial targets?

You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in GëívGëí where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve, criminals included, to ensure the game evolves instead of being kept dumbed down?

Or simply want to make GëívGëí less boring with adding more fun and challenging gameplay elements?

Would like to see CCP finally correct a long standing broken mechanic in the game which at best provides an exploit for the effected criminal party to profit further from and yet has been left in the game still?

"It's going to be awesome."

"It's absolutley on the list of things to do."

"We have a spaceships game, but you can't be han solo or boba fett, that's not clever."

How ?

Tal

You conveniently forgot to include what happened to those engaging in Piracy activities. Granted there will always be a small amount of Piracy happening in isolated areas but history has shown time and time again when it becomes a large scale activity affecting the welfare of citizens, the Authorities will hunt them down, kill them and or force them into hiding.

Seems it's always the same MO with players who advocate and try to justify the massive increase of Suicide Ganking in this game. Always trying to 'Rationalize away' opposing statements using broad 'Generalizations' presented with half truth 'Examples'.

I'm on the side of the hisec miners on this one. Something like 4k hulks have been destroyed. It is without a doubt more dangerous to be a miner in hisec than in nullsec. At least in nullsec you have the time to dock up at a POS if you see a neut in local, you only have 4 seconds in hisec and even then you might mistake the incoming ship for a returning industrial if you aren't on top of things every second. This is simply begging for a nerf like a buff to the Hulk and Mack or an even more powerful concord. I heard the same screaching when people were flying HACs at 10km/sec, how they deserved to fly these ships and their prey deserved to die because they were stupid, it was unbalanced and the balance was corrected. They cried and moaned that they would quit the game. Every time something gets overpowered it gets nerfed. Hisec ganking of Hulks deserves a nerf.

The real problem here is that nullsec alliances seem to need to generate content for their players. They should have better things to do with their time and isk than grief miners in hisec. Stuff like this never happened when people were fighting wars in nullsec. Now its one giant blue mob versus a few scattered alliances. That too deserves to be nerfed. This is blatant evidence that 0.0 is broken and giant flows of passive moon isk are making alliances fat beyond what they know what to spend their money on. Don't be suprised if ring mining destroys moon mining as an isk making operation. If that happens you will have the ultimate irony take place, the people griefing miners will have to turn to carebears and renters as a source of income to fund their pvp operations.

Out of those 4k miners 99% had no or near to no tank.

Just be aware that just trying to use bling wont really help you.

Better advice

However, adaptation to a point whilst neccesary for the mining contingent needs to stop when people start prescribing "how" you should play, but the application of a tank is pretty obvious in improving your survivability.

So it is with EVE, this huge Electro-Darwinian Experiment, the strong survive, the weak perish

Not so much about strength or weakness, more about the will to survive. With the will to survive comes the ability to thrive in Eve.