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LORD SKARKON	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:25:00 - [1] I (regretfully) purchased a retribution while not realizing at the time that the ship only has 1 medium slot. On top of that, it's hard to fit anything nice on it imo. That being said, I cannot figure out wtf the point of this ship is. I can see why people use the vengeance, but aren't rocket's utter crap? I wanted laz0rz :(
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:27:00 - [2] Is this the new domi/drake thread or something?
ovenproofjet Caldari Therapy. District Asylum	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:32:00 - [3] [Retribution, New Setup 1] Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1MN Afterburner II Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Idea is, you're the frigate killer. Any frig that comes inside of 14km will get obliterated by this ship. It does scary damage for a frigate on anything cruiser and up, sure it lacks tackle but thats what interceptors are for
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:36:00 - [4] NONONONONO! Use Energy Collision Accelerator I, CCCs don't belong!
ovenproofjet Caldari Therapy. District Asylum	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:42:00 - [5] Originally by: baltec1 NONONONONO! Use Energy Collision Accelerator I, CCCs don't belong! Not enough powergrid to do that without buying implants
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:46:00 - [6] Originally by: ovenproofjet Originally by: baltec1 NONONONONO! Use Energy Collision Accelerator I, CCCs don't belong! Not enough powergrid to do that without buying implants Get your Energy weapon rigging skill up and it will
ovenproofjet Caldari Therapy. District Asylum	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:49:00 - [7] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: ovenproofjet Originally by: baltec1 NONONONONO! Use Energy Collision Accelerator I, CCCs don't belong! Not enough powergrid to do that without buying implants Get your Energy weapon rigging skill up and it will True lol but I've got a carrier skill plan needs that training time! But yes, they do improve the DPS to about 150 which is pretty damn good from this little ship
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.10.29 16:59:00 - [8] I've seen Retributions used in two roles: - Lowsec PVE (L3-L4) - Damage dealer in frig roams (where a coercer may have arguably been better) I have no intention of buying a Retri until it has 2 mid slots. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
sceadaa	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:03:00 - [9] For PVP it's useless due do to 1 Med - no Scram/webber + Ab/Mwd. So I use it for PVE, low Missions, Ratting (searching for faction spawns in High), Highsec Complexes,... [Retribution, New Setup 1] Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I 1MN Afterburner II Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Salvager I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Note: Named Cap Relay because T2 does not fit, same with Corpii/Centii Items (but they are cheap), Cap Stable with everything on except the Salvager.
Grimpak Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren I've seen Retributions used in two roles: - Lowsec PVE (L3-L4) - Damage dealer in frig roams (where a coercer may have arguably been better) I have no intention of buying a Retri until it has 2 mid slots. -Liang what if it had 5 turrets? /nagging --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Liang Nuren I've seen Retributions used in two roles: - Lowsec PVE (L3-L4) - Damage dealer in frig roams (where a coercer may have arguably been better) I have no intention of buying a Retri until it has 2 mid slots. -Liang Coercer cannot tank.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Grimpak what if it had 5 turrets? I'm not immediately familiar with what the implications of that would be. I think if it had 5 turrets, double optimal (20% optimal) and double damage bonus (10% Damage) I might go for it. I have AF5 afterall. ;-) -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:39:00 - [13] I can get coercer to like 9-10k ehp with better damage than retri. Btw dont think you can "tank" something in gang... for example - you can get under guns of 1 harbi, but second 10k away will track you fine and tear you apart in 15secs /yes coercer will die in 10 secs heh, but also cost much less/. And dont forget, that faster frig /inty/ can easily get under tracking of med pulses...
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 17:55:00 - [14] Ehp is just a number on paper in my experience. I have found that having a tank in a gang does work and just because a large nasty ship locks you up doesnt mean your going to die to it. I have had upwards of 10 ships trying to whack me and still managed to get away. The dessies are great at anti inti work but they dont last long at all when shot at while the retri is a proven survivor.
Elyham Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:15:00 - [15] Originally by: LORD SKARKON I (regretfully) purchased a retribution while not realizing at the time that the ship only has 1 medium slot. On top of that, it's hard to fit anything nice on it imo. That being said, I cannot figure out wtf the point of this ship is. I can see why people use the vengeance, but aren't rocket's utter crap? I wanted laz0rz :( It works great for Empire griefing and mining battleship tear extraction.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:30:00 - [16] Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington on 29/10/2009 18:34:21 Originally by: ovenproofjet [Retribution, New Setup 1] Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II 1MN Afterburner II Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot] Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Idea is, you're the frigate killer. Any frig that comes inside of 14km will get obliterated by this ship. It does scary damage for a frigate on anything cruiser and up, sure it lacks tackle but thats what interceptors are for Hi, I'm an assault missile Caracal. I do the same thing better than you while moving faster (than your AB lolfit) with a better tank for a tiny fraction of the cost as well as mounting tackle gear at greater range and even being easier to skill for. You might also like to meet my friends Vexor, Thrasher and Ishkur. Retribution = worthless.
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Hi, I'm an assault missile Caracal. I do the same thing better than you while moving faster (than your AB lolfit) with a better tank for a tiny fraction of the cost as well as mounting tackle gear at greater range and even being easier to skill for. You might also like to meet my friends Vexor, Thrasher and Ishkur. Retribution = worthless. Hi. I also fly that caracal and I know it cant do what a retribution can do with its tank.
Samaritan Azuma Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:58:00 - [18] hi, im beng sarcastic If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
Jeremy Samson	Posted - 2009.10.29 18:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Jeremy Samson on 29/10/2009 18:59:41 You should probably sell this ship, or just reprocess it, the Retribution is 100% worthless compared to the huge amount of other ships you could be flying instead. (For pvp purposes obviously, who cares what you fly for PVE :p)
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:19:00 - [20] Originally by: baltec1 Hi. I also fly that caracal and I know it cant do what a retribution can do with its tank. What a Retribution can do with its tank is "die quickly". With no MWD (even if you fit one, one mid = no cap to run it), you have zero transversal, and die very quickly. Even a single cruiser can do 500+ dps, and there's no way you're going to tank that for very long. Against more than one ship it's just an execution, active tank won't make even the slightest difference, and your mediocre HP buffer will be gone before you can even hit the "warp out" button. If you doubt me, just ask the last person foolish enough to let me catch them flying a Retribution. They died in *six seconds* to my Phantasm. Three shots from my guns at zero transversal and he was a very expensive wreck. -----------
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:33:00 - [21] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Hi, I'm an assault missile Caracal. I do the same thing better than you while moving faster (than your AB lolfit) with a better tank for a tiny fraction of the cost as well as mounting tackle gear at greater range and even being easier to skill for. You might also like to meet my friends Vexor, Thrasher and Ishkur. Retribution = worthless. Hi. I also fly that caracal and I know it cant do what a retribution can do with its tank. By your logic we should all be flying PVE passive tanked rocket Drakes, because a tanked out brick that's outdone in every other way is awesome for pvp amirite?
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: baltec1 Hi. I also fly that caracal and I know it cant do what a retribution can do with its tank. What a Retribution can do with its tank is "die quickly". With no MWD (even if you fit one, one mid = no cap to run it), you have zero transversal, and die very quickly. Even a single cruiser can do 500+ dps, and there's no way you're going to tank that for very long. Against more than one ship it's just an execution, active tank won't make even the slightest difference, and your mediocre HP buffer will be gone before you can even hit the "warp out" button. If you doubt me, just ask the last person foolish enough to let me catch them flying a Retribution. They died in *six seconds* to my Phantasm. Three shots from my guns at zero transversal and he was a very expensive wreck. You base your argument on taking out a retribution with one of the best cruisers in game... I have flown retributions for very long time now and I can safely say most cruisers are not that much of a threat. Hell I can tank a fleet issue stabber forever and since I use an AB I dont get cap issues and I dont have a massive sig that will only hinder me.
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2009.10.29 19:44:00 - [23] Didn't we just have this thread? I like the retribution. It's very good for a frigate sized pure gunship, and IMO there aren't very many other ships can can project that much damage at that much range with that much tracking, while being so small (and contrary to what Merin says, it's not like it instantly dies when somebody looks at it the wrong way). I think that it is significantly better than every other AFs for the specific role of burning ceptors off of other people. Ishkur has to send its drones chasing after things and really the Retribution DOES have the most DPS and at very good range. Unfortunately it doesn't live very long if people want it to die, and there are other ships that can perform its role almost as well while also bringing a point to the gang. Frankly, I don't think it would be very much better with a point fitted anyway; it's not especially fast and it has high cap use so it doesn't make a good tackler. I think it'd be pretty good with a 5th turret; 240 dps at 22-23km with frigate tracking IS imho, good enough to spend a ship on.
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2009.10.29 20:11:00 - [24] Originally by: Terianna Eri and there are other ships that can perform its role almost as well I'd call doing its job at 60km for a 10th of the price a tad higher than "almost as well".
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.29 20:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington Originally by: Terianna Eri and there are other ships that can perform its role almost as well I'd call doing its job at 60km for a 10th of the price a tad higher than "almost as well". A caracal is not very good at taking on cruisers and BC nore can it take large amounts of fire in fleet fights, its just too big and cant tank enough. A retribution can do those things.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.10.29 21:00:00 - [26] Looks like some ppl have no idea and baltec is just lying. You cant tank fleet stabber with retri /you will survive maybe 20-25s vs properly fitted sfi/ and you cant tank large amounts of fire in fleet with it. Retri is worthless. I dont understand ppl bringing it to frig gangs, they are much more usefull frigs to use and i consider ppl bringing them to regular fleets ******ed.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.10.29 21:52:00 - [27] Originally by: baltec1 You base your argument on taking out a retribution with one of the best cruisers in game... Hint: a single Hurricane/Harbinger/etc will kill you faster. Quote: I have flown retributions for very long time now and I can safely say most cruisers are not that much of a threat. Hell I can tank a fleet issue stabber forever and since I use an AB I dont get cap issues and I dont have a massive sig that will only hinder me. Bull****. Either you're lying, or you only fight hilariously bad Fleet Stabber pilots. A dual-rep Retribution (cap booster in mid, otherwise you cap out almost instantly) can tank 165 dps if it doesn't use its cap-hungry guns. This Retribution will have 10k buffer. A Fleet Stabber will easily do 350 dps, and since the Retribution has zero threat of web/scram, it can park itself at optimal with zero transversal and apply almost all (if not all) of it to the Retribution. 200 net dps, 10k EHP to tank it on, the Retribution goes down in 50 seconds. And this is a completely unrealistic best-case situation for the Retribution, you'll die much faster in any real fight since you won't actually have that tank on anything outside of EFT. The fact that you think that comedy ship can actually tank a 10-man gang is just hilarious. Even one cruiser or BC will kill you, the other nine just make it a question of whether everyone in the gang can get on the killmail before you explode. -----------
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.10.29 22:00:00 - [28] pve ship, plain and simple.
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2009.10.30 07:12:00 - [29] Edited by: Sader Rykane on 30/10/2009 07:15:40 A retri can run pulse lasers + MWD indefinitely if your cap skills don't suck. [Retribution, Retribution] Small Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Micro B66 Core Augmentation Thermic Plating II Nanofiber Internal Structure II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Salvager I Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Energy Locus Coordinator I 41% cap stable. My skills. 20km range with scorch. Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
Yon Krum The Knights Templar R.A.G.E	Posted - 2009.10.30 07:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Merin Ryskin A Fleet Stabber will easily do 350 dps, and since the Retribution has zero threat of web/scram, it can park itself at optimal with zero transversal and apply almost all (if not all) of it to the Retribution. 200 net dps, 10k EHP to tank it on, the Retribution goes down in 50 seconds. And this is a completely unrealistic best-case situation for the Retribution, you'll die much faster in any real fight since you won't actually have that tank on anything outside of EFT. The fact that you think that comedy ship can actually tank a 10-man gang is just hilarious. Even one cruiser or BC will kill you, the other nine just make it a question of whether everyone in the gang can get on the killmail before you explode. The hilarious part is how badly Merin has omitted the role of sig radius on incoming damage. Unless you have the above no-speed-mod Retribution painted, the example fleet stabber will do about 35/120 = 29.16% of it's normal damage, or in this case 102 dps. Tracking is irrelevant to the Retri, since it's only hope is sig-tanking. Though I simply cannot be arsed to care enough and look it up, I suspect your fantastic Phantasm-on-Retri kill was against a moron with a MWD, which will get a Retri--or most AF for that matter--killed in short order versus even a T1 cruiser. Though it is an easily demonstrable fact that there are better anti-frigate platforms out there, from pure DPS/tracking standpoints (like the AS Caracal, Arbitrator, Thrasher, etc. ad nauseum), they are all with at least twice the sig radius and without twice the tanking ability. When faced with cruiser-sized guns, these other contenders melt quickly where the Retri might survive. Might, because of that lol-AB that's still not making it fast enough to get away from a MWD cruiser. The Retri's big problem is not the lack of a midslot, but the lack of either enough speed or enough firepower to rule its tiny "dps niche" for AF. So, to the OP, keep the Retri. It's fun to fly but is no solomobile. You can make it snipe to 58km, btw. The Coercer is cheaper (not 1/10th the cost after fitting!) with similar characteristics, but it dies after the first stern look unless you're already aligned and at speed. --Krum --Krum

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