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Samaritan Azuma
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:40:00 -
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just because its gallente
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King Dave
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Posted - 2009.11.01 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma just because its gallente
I am sure this is what those subsystems were indended for. Correct me if I am wrong though.
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Samaritan Azuma
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.11.01 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 01/11/2009 14:18:17 im not asking about subsytems intended purpose
im asking about the proteus, and how gallente ships tend to have a drone bay without having to be a drone boat
but im sure your arbitrary and common reply will earn you a few cool points with the forum community
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2009.11.01 14:19:00 -
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No. "Just because" is not a useful reason. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Jessica Fyers
Gallente Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2009.11.01 14:33:00 -
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Going by the same logic, all t3 ships should have a 25m^3 drone bay and 25 Mbit bandwidth. But this should not happen ever! Not even for the Proteus, which btw, if you use the right engineering subsystem (Augmented Cap Reservoir iirc) not only gives you enough bw to launch 5 light drones, it also gives you 100m^3 dronebay!!!!
Reason why this change would be bad: t3 hulls dont have any built in properties, rellying rather on the subsystems you mount. Changing the Proteus to have this as a standard bonus would open the way for the other t3 to come with a built-in bonus. Can you imagine a Tengu with built-in ROF, Legion with Laser Cap use, or Loki with speed/ agility? ---------------------------------------------- Some people say you should fight fire with fire... Nonsense of course; you should fight everything with fire! |
Miriiah
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Posted - 2009.11.01 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Fyers Going by the same logic, all t3 ships should have a 25m^3 drone bay and 25 Mbit bandwidth. But this should not happen ever! Not even for the Proteus, which btw, if you use the right engineering subsystem (Augmented Cap Reservoir iirc) not only gives you enough bw to launch 5 light drones, it also gives you 100m^3 dronebay!!!!
Reason why this change would be bad: t3 hulls dont have any built in properties, rellying rather on the subsystems you mount. Changing the Proteus to have this as a standard bonus would open the way for the other t3 to come with a built-in bonus. Can you imagine a Tengu with built-in ROF, Legion with Laser Cap use, or Loki with speed/ agility?
Yeah, because that's totally the same, oh wait no.
All the t3's should have 25m3 dronebay really, and comparing drone bay to RoF bonus and whatnot, that's one of the most ******ed things I've ever heard
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 01/11/2009 18:09:07 what proteus really needs drone wise is a 125 bandwidth drone boat config. The current max of 100 m/bit is crap. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 01/11/2009 18:09:07 what proteus really needs drone wise is a 125 bandwidth drone boat config. The current max of 100 m/bit is crap.
/me signed. I understand why ships like the Myrm got nerfed. The Myrm can fit 6 blasters on top of its drones. However, when fitting out the Proteus, I think the most turrets you can push out is 3 with the drone subsystem. Additionally, even to just get 100mb you need to fit 2 subsystems. It doesn't need a given 25mb and m3, but it DOES need a total of 125. Period. --
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Thenoran
Caldari Pelican.
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Thenoran on 01/11/2009 18:51:39 Give the Legion a dronebay before talking about any other T3 dronebay changes. The only subsystem that currently gives the Legion a dronebay also forces it as the primary weapon. Seeing as Amarr are supposedly the second drone-heavy race, the Legion should have the ability to get a dronebay with lasers or HAMs. The only T3 ship I can accept not having a dronebay as a secondary weapon system is the Tengu, as Caldari are the least drone using race.
Also, the 100m3 dronebay seems fine to me. Making it 125m3 would make the Ishtar obsolete, which is a specialized drone ship. On a side note, the Myrm should be given 100m3 bandwidth, 6 unbonused turrets aren't all that great, especially considering the low slots are usually used for active tanking. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
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Jessica Fyers
Gallente Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Miriiah
Originally by: Jessica Fyers Going by the same logic, all t3 ships should have a 25m^3 drone bay and 25 Mbit bandwidth. But this should not happen ever! Not even for the Proteus, which btw, if you use the right engineering subsystem (Augmented Cap Reservoir iirc) not only gives you enough bw to launch 5 light drones, it also gives you 100m^3 dronebay!!!!
Reason why this change would be bad: t3 hulls dont have any built in properties, rellying rather on the subsystems you mount. Changing the Proteus to have this as a standard bonus would open the way for the other t3 to come with a built-in bonus. Can you imagine a Tengu with built-in ROF, Legion with Laser Cap use, or Loki with speed/ agility?
Yeah, because that's totally the same, oh wait no.
All the t3's should have 25m3 dronebay really, and comparing drone bay to RoF bonus and whatnot, that's one of the most ******ed things I've ever heard
1/10 for reading comprehension.... I dont need to clarify my point. And spare the emoticons and insults, wont make your reply look cool or smart.
Also, why all t3 should have a built in dronebay? There are t1 and t2 ships that dont have a dronebay either (Cerberus, Zealot for instance). Want drones? Fit the appropriate subsystem or live without!
Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 01/11/2009 18:09:07 what proteus really needs drone wise is a 125 bandwidth drone boat config. The current max of 100 m/bit is crap.
Now THATS a good idea, /signed over and over! ---------------------------------------------- Some people say you should fight fire with fire... Nonsense of course; you should fight everything with fire! |
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Sentinel Borg
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Posted - 2009.11.01 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 01/11/2009 18:51:39 Give the Legion a dronebay before talking about any other T3 dronebay changes. The only subsystem that currently gives the Legion a dronebay also forces it as the primary weapon. Seeing as Amarr are supposedly the second drone-heavy race, the Legion should have the ability to get a dronebay with lasers or HAMs. The only T3 ship I can accept not having a dronebay as a secondary weapon system is the Tengu, as Caldari are the least drone using race.
Also, the 100m3 dronebay seems fine to me. Making it 125m3 would make the Ishtar obsolete, which is a specialized drone ship. On a side note, the Myrm should be given 100m3 bandwidth, 6 unbonused turrets aren't all that great, especially considering the low slots are usually used for active tanking.
No, it wouldn't make the Ishtar obsolete, as long as the Proteus costs much more. Other HACs are also topped by some T3 configurations. Zealot and Deimos for example.
And yes, the Legion should get 25 mbit/s with the Laser and HAM subsystem.
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:16:00 -
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A small base-dronebay for all hulls would be realy cool. Espezialy the gun-versions without any dronebay have real problems to defend themselve against any attacking drones or frigs.
But for this very small defens capability 15m3 band/bay would be enough (like Sacrileg). So you aren't a sitting duck anymore.
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Descrambled
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Posted - 2009.11.01 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 01/11/2009 18:51:39
Making it 125m3 would make the Ishtar obsolete, which is a specialized drone ship.
I disagree with this statement. Proteus is a Gallente ship so I agree with the OP it should have a bigger drone bay. 100m3 just seems rather odd
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Forge Lag
Jita Lag Preservation Fund
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Posted - 2009.11.02 01:12:00 -
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100 bandwidth is no Ishtar but it is somewhat acceptable. But having comparatively small drone bay on top of it (almost half of T1 cruiser - Gila) is just too much of pre-nerfing.
One set of sentries, one heavies, one smalls. No replacement drones at all, no alternate damage type, no mediums? After dedicating two subs for it?
Bandwidth or drone bay limit alone is workable but together they are just crippling. No damage no flexibility no durability no nothing.
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Thargorr
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.02 01:26:00 -
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You cannot build a blaster boat equivalent to the Deimost with the Proteus.
You cannot build a drone boat equivalent to the Ishtar with the Proteus.
Faction cruisers outperform the Proteus in all configurations.
T1 cruisers prove their superiority to the T3 hulls by their simple ability to fit a flight of light or medium ECM drones.
As it stands despite subsystems obviously designed with PvP in mind the strategic cruisers are useless in PvP without a decent drone bay.
Obviously the 25m3 bandwidth and bay would be added onto every offensive subsystem for every race, not to the base hull itself.
Attempting to argue otherwise simply reveals your ignorance of the importance of drone warfare in PvP and by extension your understanding of PvP itself.
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Kail Storm
Caldari Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.02 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Thargorr You cannot build a blaster boat equivalent to the Deimost with the Proteus.
You cannot build a drone boat equivalent to the Ishtar with the Proteus.
Faction cruisers outperform the Proteus in all configurations.
T1 cruisers prove their superiority to the T3 hulls by their simple ability to fit a flight of light or medium ECM drones.
As it stands despite subsystems obviously designed with PvP in mind the strategic cruisers are useless in PvP without a decent drone bay.
Obviously the 25m3 bandwidth and bay would be added onto every offensive subsystem for every race, not to the base hull itself.
Attempting to argue otherwise simply reveals your ignorance of the importance of drone warfare in PvP and by extension your understanding of PvP itself.
What are you talking about? You can make a 10x better Blaster boat with the Prot over the Deimost...Lol you might not be able to out DPS it [even though its close as hell] But thats what you get for having a 100k ehp tank vs a 35k ehp tank....LOL
Please xplain how the Prot isnt a better blaster boat than Deimos, Hell show me any faction fit cruiser that out does the Tank/Gank ratio of a Prot.
On the Drone Issue no T3 should have built in skills IMO, But all races do need an option and while the Tengu should not get a similiar I thin kit should go...
125/125 Full drone boat for gal with a 25/25 just for fitting any defensive sub system
75/75 Full Fit with 25/25 for 1/2 the avalible defensive subs
50/50 for min and 25/25 with 1/2 the defensive subs
25/25 for cald with 15/15 with 1/2 the avalibledef subs just basically to have 3 light ecm`s incase u need to bail out of battles.
These changes IMO would give T3 pilots the option to use Ecm drones more effectiely and therefore not be screwed when pvping once the ywarp jammed and back up arrives, I would PVP all the time in My tengu if I could have a even a small chance to break the lock and warp off after fighting 2-3 enemies in a row. If you run, You`ll only die tired :) |
Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.11.02 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Samaritan Azuma Edited by: Samaritan Azuma on 01/11/2009 14:18:17 im not asking about subsytems intended purpose
im asking about the proteus, and how gallente ships tend to have a drone bay without having to be a drone boat
but im sure your arbitrary and common reply will earn you a few cool points with the forum community
He's right, so don't be a arse.
Look at the Proteus subsystems, that are REQUIRED FOR THE SHIP TO FUNCTION.
The Offensive subsystem fitted determine your bandwidth, and GIVE YOU A DRONE BAY, size depending on the module fitted.
The Proteus is designed to be a customizable ship, the ship itself is barebones - what subsystems you fit on it determine it's purpose.
In other words, when it comes to T3 RTFM, then HTFU and STFU until you know what you're talking about.
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Thargorr
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.02 04:02:00 -
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So from your post Kali I understood you completely agree with all of my post but the bit about the Proteus not being a better blaster boat than the Deimos on account of it having a better tank right?
Well in my book it should have slightly better gank than the Deimos and better tank but the tank shouldn't be half as huge as it currently is. Finally no blaster boat is a true blaster boat without a flight of ECM meds.
Point is a flight of mediums is an essential to blasterboats that fit medium modules, the Proteus is not worth the investment until it gets that flight.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2009.11.02 06:30:00 -
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Strategic cruisers are at the moment primarily PvE ships.
What do they have over other specialized ships to justify the cost for PvP?
The only fit I find useful in PvP is their Covert ops configurations (plus bubble immunity) and since I fly Amarr, and the Pilgrim is better in a lot of ways.
I use my Legion for Exploration exclusively and it performs it's role admirably, I can farm a class 3 system out and just move on, no stopping for anything other than potential PvP threats. No need for drone bay here really, I know people who do similar in a Proteus with arguably better results because of some drone bay (with it's limited and micro-intensive use in a wormhole system which makes watching directional scanner hard).
Perhaps for PvP the Proteus might need better drone subsystem but trying the Covert ops Legion, I can't say there is anything they have over their Recon counterparts to justify the cost anyway.
Oh wait, there is 1 good thing about T3s, no bubbles! Interdiction Nullifier gives them an interesting advantage over others and I'd like to fly one in a gang with all T3s immune to bubbles, that sort of gang would make dictors useless and be able to dictate engagement.
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.11.02 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Forge Lag 100 bandwidth is no Ishtar but it is somewhat acceptable. But having comparatively small drone bay on top of it (almost half of T1 cruiser - Gila) is just too much of pre-nerfing.
One set of sentries, one heavies, one smalls. No replacement drones at all, no alternate damage type, no mediums? After dedicating two subs for it?
Bandwidth or drone bay limit alone is workable but together they are just crippling. No damage no flexibility no durability no nothing.
Yep. 100mbit/s for the T3 cruiser of the drone-specialist race with 2 subsystems devoted to drones is just... stupid.
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Redora
Gallente Universal Exports
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Posted - 2009.11.02 07:20:00 -
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Edited by: Redora on 02/11/2009 07:24:10
Originally by: Thargorr
Well in my book it should have slightly better gank than the Deimos and better tank but the tank shouldn't be half as huge as it currently is. Finally no blaster boat is a true blaster boat without a flight of ECM meds.
[Proteus, Gank Blaster] Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5
Max skills: 113,641 Effective HP 763 DPS
Similar fit Deimos can't A) fit a full rack of neutrons, B) only fits an 800 plate, and C has 2/3 mag stabs in lows. Does 543 DPS with 41,595 EHP.
[Deimos, Gank Blaster] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Vespa EC-600 x5
[Edit: Typo]
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Shade Millith
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.02 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: TheMahdi Strategic cruisers are at the moment primarily PvE ships.
What do they have over other specialized ships to justify the cost for PvP?
The only fit I find useful in PvP is their Covert ops configurations (plus bubble immunity) and since I fly Amarr, and the Pilgrim is better in a lot of ways.
I don't know about the loki or legion, but the proteus and tengu both can have ~170-200k EHP buffer tank's doing gank BC like damage with cruiser speed/agility (and the tengu can still fit a point and MWD with that fit). That's pretty freaking nice.
They're expensive, but you can get some stupidly nice performance if you do it right --------------------------------------------
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.11.02 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Redora Edited by: Redora on 02/11/2009 07:24:10
Originally by: Thargorr
Well in my book it should have slightly better gank than the Deimos and better tank but the tank shouldn't be half as huge as it currently is. Finally no blaster boat is a true blaster boat without a flight of ECM meds.
[Proteus, Gank Blaster] ...
Wouldn't it make sense to also be able to fit it as a Gank Drone boat? Currently this is not possible.
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Kail Storm
Caldari Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.02 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: TheMahdi Strategic cruisers are at the moment primarily PvE ships.
What do they have over other specialized ships to justify the cost for PvP?
The only fit I find useful in PvP is their Covert ops configurations (plus bubble immunity) and since I fly Amarr, and the Pilgrim is better in a lot of ways.
I don't know about the loki or legion, but the proteus and tengu both can have ~170-200k EHP buffer tank's doing gank BC like damage with cruiser speed/agility (and the tengu can still fit a point and MWD with that fit). That's pretty freaking nice.
They're expensive, but you can get some stupidly nice performance if you do it right
I always see guys saying they fit 150-200k buffers but will you please show me a fit Shade where its t2 fit 200k buffer with decent tackle and good dps?
I have seen a ton of 100k T3`s and fly one in my Tengu a 100k/650 dps Beast but I honestly never have seen em over 150k with t2 fitting and decent dps/Tackle
On the other topic I just built Diemos vs Prot and yeah its not even a comparison the Prot is 200 dps higher and 3 times the tank. If you run, You`ll only die tired :) |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.11.02 18:41:00 -
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Well, if I fly a Cruiser-Size vessel that cost about the same as a Marauder (not anymore but still dam expensive) I might use faction fittings :). I do not talk about A-Type stuff but Amarr Navy or C-Type for excample. It does not give you a 200 EHP buffer if you had 100 EHP with T2 but still provides a good boost (most times as you don't run into CPU/GRID problems that fast).
OT: still, a turret-ship without any drones is just to helpless as it can be disabled by absolut any EW ability to easy.
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Kail Storm
Caldari Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.02 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson Well, if I fly a Cruiser-Size vessel that cost about the same as a Marauder (not anymore but still dam expensive) I might use faction fittings :). I do not talk about A-Type stuff but Amarr Navy or C-Type for excample. It does not give you a 200 EHP buffer if you had 100 EHP with T2 but still provides a good boost (most times as you don't run into CPU/GRID problems that fast).
OT: still, a turret-ship without any drones is just to helpless as it can be disabled by absolut any EW ability to easy.
In that case a Missle ship needs drones as well for Ewar since it can be jammed ez...But guys I keep hearing that its super expensive as a Marauder? Nope they are 450-650 mil now and if you are patient and buy bad variants with peeps who need to sell em fast they are super cheap.
I pieced my 3rd Tengu together for 400 mil even now. yeah some faction is ok but to PVP in it better not be equal to the ships value...Basically now with a T2 fit T3 ship its about 5x the price of a hac. And in the Tengu`s case is much better than the Hacs since they have tiny or no drones anyways.
If you run, You`ll only die tired :) |
Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2009.11.02 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Redora stuff
small mistake there:
there are better ways to setup a gank deimos, also, use the same type of damage mods in both ships.
also, plates agility nerf makes baby jesus cry.
here's a more comparable gank fit (gank fit with less than 3 damage mods is no gank fit in my book):
deimos gank:
Quote: [Deimos, New Setup 1]
5x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M)
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
3x Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Armor Explosive Hardener II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II
2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
5x Vespa EC-600
497dps with null, over 22.5k EHP.
proteus gank (used gall MFS cuz T2 didn't fit and replaced for these aswell in the deimos, as you saw, also used your subsystem config:
Quote: [Proteus, test] Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Null M)
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
3x Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II
3x Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
5x Vespa EC-600 5x Warrior II
557dps with null + ECM drones, twice more the EHP (66.7k), wee bit less speed (200m/sec slower) and practically same agility (only less than 0.4 sec slower to align).
so, in a "comparable" way, I can get a proteus that gives off only 1 turret more of DPS, has some increased warpscram range, and more EHP, for 5x the price(?), and that's using gallente navy MFS, which can be replaced by more cost-effective T2 MFS if you replace the friction sub by a dissolution sub (getting more sensor str like that, 30pts with lvl4 skills btw), by losing the warpscram bonus only (and some 25dps).
in all honesty, the only thing I would pick a proteus for would be the EHP, but for such a huge pricetag, I wouldn't even get close.
with optimal+falloff of guns with null being pretty much the same as an also important factor, the "gank" proteus is a bit meh. ---
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EFT Worrier
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Posted - 2009.11.03 02:43:00 -
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What is really obscene is that the Legion can get 200m3 dronebay + 100mbit drones on top of 50% bonused nos/neut amount. Compared to the Proteus' 125m3/100mbit.
So much for Gallente being the drone specialist race?
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2009.11.03 03:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 03/11/2009 03:23:15
Originally by: EFT Worrier What is really obscene is that the Legion can get 200m3 dronebay + 100mbit drones on top of 50% bonused nos/neut amount. Compared to the Proteus' 125m3/100mbit.
So much for Gallente being the drone specialist race?
Erm, what? Last I checked max posible is 50/200 for Legion when using the Drone Synthesis Projector Offensive Modul. There are no other moduls for the Legion with band or drone cargo.
So 5 med at once but therefore 4 full sets with 3(4) Turrets. The other 3 offense Subs have all 0 band and 0 dronecargo. And no other sub give either band or dronecargo too.
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Kail Storm
Caldari Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.03 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Redora stuff
small mistake there:
there are better ways to setup a gank deimos, also, use the same type of damage mods in both ships.
also, plates agility nerf makes baby jesus cry.
here's a more comparable gank fit (gank fit with less than 3 damage mods is no gank fit in my book):
deimos gank:
Quote: [Deimos, New Setup 1]
5x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M)
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
3x Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Armor Explosive Hardener II Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II
2x Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
5x Vespa EC-600
497dps with null, over 22.5k EHP.
proteus gank (used gall MFS cuz T2 didn't fit and replaced for these aswell in the deimos, as you saw, also used your subsystem config:
Quote: [Proteus, test] Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
6x Heavy Neutron Blaster II (Null M)
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
3x Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II
3x Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
5x Vespa EC-600 5x Warrior II
557dps with null + ECM drones, twice more the EHP (66.7k), wee bit less speed (200m/sec slower) and practically same agility (only less than 0.4 sec slower to align).
so, in a "comparable" way, I can get a proteus that gives off only 1 turret more of DPS, has some increased warpscram range, and more EHP, for 5x the price(?), and that's using gallente navy MFS, which can be replaced by more cost-effective T2 MFS if you replace the friction sub by a dissolution sub (getting more sensor str like that, 30pts with lvl4 skills btw), by losing the warpscram bonus only (and some 25dps).
in all honesty, the only thing I would pick a proteus for would be the EHP, but for such a huge pricetag, I wouldn't even get close.
with optimal+falloff of guns with null being pretty much the same as an also important factor, the "gank" proteus is a bit meh.
Wait so 3x the tank is meh??? Its got the DPS of a BC and ability to disengage [with ecm drones] the Tank of a way powerful BC but the agility and speed of a cruiser and its just meh???
Guys buy faction ships and get 15% more dps and tank and pay 5 times that and you are getting a 25% DPS bonus and a 300% tank bonus and its meh? I think its wonderful. Also this cant be the full gank fit since I have seen them do 650 dps realiably without "Failfitting" also 100k ehp is pretty ez If you run, You`ll only die tired :) |
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