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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.15 05:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
oh believe me I have had my share of connection issues... somehow I only ever manage to lose drones though. and damn do I love to swear when I lose drones.[/quote
I know the feeling. Garde IIs cry when they hear my name 
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steejans nix
Amarr
0beron Construct
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Posted - 2009.11.15 10:11:00 -
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I use 2 accounts in running in diferent missions (dual monitors ftw), one in a 'mare chews out the proper missions while another will in a basic fit, slightly overtanked raven will go do the crap ones.
The only time I use both Bs's in same mission would be Blockade with the heavy tracking distruption.
Once you have got decent skills and a well setup ship you really don't find the second ship speed things up that much but using the second one for taking out the smaller easy lvl 4's does increase the isk fairly dramatically.
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NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.15 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: steejans nix
I use 2 accounts in running in diferent missions (dual monitors ftw), one in a 'mare chews out the proper missions while another will in a basic fit, slightly overtanked raven will go do the crap ones.
The only time I use both Bs's in same mission would be Blockade with the heavy tracking distruption.
Once you have got decent skills and a well setup ship you really don't find the second ship speed things up that much but using the second one for taking out the smaller easy lvl 4's does increase the isk fairly dramatically.
I've got to admit, I never thought about running dual missions. 
But I have to disagree on the dual ship not making that much of a difference. I've noticed a significant drop in completion times, even with very good skills. Interesting experiment to try for me though 
Have you actually done the isk/hr comparisons? My initial thought is that while the main is completing the missions at a 'normal' pace, it will still be faster than the alt. He'll be taking a longer amount of time, so I wonder if you're really completing more missions in the same amount of time.
Do you find yourself getting log jammed, with the main having completed a mission and drawn a crap mission the alt should be doing, but the alt is still working on the 1st crap mission? Do you go ahead and do the crap mission on your main just to get a new mission, or do you wait for the alt to finish?
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steejans nix
Amarr
0beron Construct
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Posted - 2009.11.15 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger
I've got to admit, I never thought about running dual missions.
But I have to disagree on the dual ship not making that much of a difference. I've noticed a significant drop in completion times, even with very good skills. Interesting experiment to try for me though
First off if you really know the misisons off by heart and never need to look at the mission guide it is very doable.
The way I do it is my Nightmare is always the primary missioner and get the more attention meaning the Raven can be sat idle at times, so in that regard I have overtanked it
Whilst I do see you're point of view and with the right pairing will work, for me its a case of a well skilled Nightmare agaisnt a Raven which can only be called adequate at best skilling wise.
If I had 2 turret ships skilled up I may well run in tandem on the bigger missions.
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Have you actually done the isk/hr comparisons? My initial thought is that while the main is completing the missions at a 'normal' pace, it will still be faster than the alt. He'll be taking a longer amount of time, so I wonder if you're really completing more missions in the same amount of time.
I must admit I have not done an isk per hour but what I have done is a time saving comparison, ie I would kill Recon pt 1 solo, in that time my Raven pilot could of killed duo of death, sansha spies etc and would also be looking for another mission.
Recon being an example of a mission where the second bs wouldn't speed it up at all until the very final wave as is timed spawns and you are pretty much waiting for them, same with EA part 5 if can kill fast enough.
Course Worlds Collide is 2 missions in one in effect, 'mare goes sansha side, Raven angel with the mare taking last room without swapping hardeners.
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Do you find yourself getting log jammed, with the main having completed a mission and drawn a crap mission the alt should be doing, but the alt is still working on the 1st crap mission? Do you go ahead and do the crap mission on your main just to get a new mission, or do you wait for the alt to finish?
I very rarely find myself completely log jammed with crap but at that point I ditch missioning for the night and do something else, but as a rule when on a mission sesion I will be keeping going hitting misisons, after a while you will get a feel for wether it is worth swapping missions over or leave the secondary do the one it about to start and do the easier one on the main, to get it out the way to get another.
Having several chances to get missions help a lot, myself I have 3 accounts and while one can't fly anything apart from a dessie or hulk he can still get lvl 4's so I get 6 missions lined up with 2 agents 2 jumps apart.
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Niphredill
Caldari
XQ Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.17 03:31:00 -
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I'm running missions in Amarr space with an Abaddon and Drake. The drake makes a perfect second ship...because it can easily handle some aggro...and I don't need to mess with a booster/repper or whatever.
It's also really nice to take out the disrupting ships fast.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.11.17 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
why does everyone keep saying 1 tank + 1 gank ship, are people really that incompetent at managing 2 characters 
By the time I switch clients, target more ships, and activate the guns on the second ship, the first ship has killed its first target and is wasting time.
I fly with a Raven (Tank, target selection, cruise missiles) + Domi (T2 sentries). The Raven flies in, grabs aggro, starts blowing stuff up. The Domi flies in, launches drones, "guards" the Raven. Stuff dies. Later the Domi pilot comes back with a salvage destroyer (haven't trained up minmatar frigates/cruisers, can't fly a hurricane), while the raven pilot is off starting the next mission.
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Wengel
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.11.17 08:49:00 -
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I fit a Nightmare for gank, with minimal tank.
I then use the second account in a Logistics ship.
Alt targets the Nightmare, enables the shieldtransporters and energy transporters, and orbits at 3000m.
Nightmare has 1 shieldtransporter on it, targets the Logistics alt, enables shieldtransporter and... then i never need to tab for the rest of the pocket. If alt gets agro, the orbit speed, low sig radius, decent tank and the large shield transporter from the nightmare is more than enough to keep it alive while the Tachs eat through the rats like a warm knife through butter.
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Ah Long
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.11.19 04:38:00 -
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I have been training up my Orca alt to be slightly more helpful in mission running. I've given it some thought, and this is what I came up with:
DPS Siege Golem, with 4x Ballistic Controls, 2x Target Painters, +5% range/velocity missile rigs, 3x Tractor Beams and a 5-slot slightly-lighter perma-tank based on medium boosters. It needs to be somewhat of a perma-tank, only because I've nearly lost this Golem a couple of times before to disconnections. The Golem is built around DPS, EFT says I'll be pushing 1.1k dps with rage torps. The tank should be able to handle most, if not all, rooms, and therefore will take initial aggro.
Alt will be in an Eos, and since he has decent leadership skills due to the Orca training, I figured he can help with the tank by providing gang links. He runs all 3 shield gang links, while filling up the other highs with 4x Salvagers with 2x Salvage Tackle rigs. Mids are cap mods and propulsion, and lows are a full proper armor tank (high resists to the typical Guri/Serp victims I have helps). I do realise that the Vulture has a bonus for shield links, but with the Eos, he can carry 2 flights of 3 sentries (Eos has 75 bandwidth), as well as light drones to assist with DPS as he's drone spec'd with no SP in missiles.
So while the Golem kills stuff at a reasonable rate, it will also tractor in wrecks. The Eos provides a little fire support, and runs gang links, and handles the salvaging duties. Hopefully this would help speed up missions a bit :)
Currently I'm running a pitiful-DPS cruise Golem (making the X-Large SB II cap stable has really gimped DPS), with the alt in a salvage Catalyst.
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GGjita
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Posted - 2009.11.19 07:42:00 -
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Solution:
2 Golem's each doing their own missions doing the loot/salvage thing as they go. It isn't too hard if you just get a second monitor and have a client in each one. Your looking at each account making about 45-50 mil/hr. (I know golem's can make 55-60mil/hr but you will lose some of your efficiency due to running 2 accounts at the same time).
90-100 mil/hr isn't that bad at all.
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Comproller
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Posted - 2009.11.20 05:54:00 -
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I have'nt any problems with my Duo of Knighthawk and Drake combo IN Level 4 Missions i really dont care for BattleShips they are over rated LOL so the DPS really is crappy but it works fine Im usually in and out of missions 45 min - 1 hour yes T2 drones help nothing like having group missiles and 10 drones eating the c**** outta stuff
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Carniflex
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2009.11.20 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Comproller
I have'nt any problems with my Duo of Knighthawk and Drake combo IN Level 4 Missions i really dont care for BattleShips they are over rated LOL so the DPS really is crappy but it works fine Im usually in and out of missions 45 min - 1 hour yes T2 drones help nothing like having group missiles and 10 drones eating the c**** outta stuff
Using Nightmare+Golem duo I do on averagae 4.7 level 4 missions per hour. Longest missions take approx 30 minutes. Then again it's just the killing phase, if you also loot and salvage when in your mission your times are not that bad. Granted that way it's relatively attention heavy and you can't just get up and go AFK for a while like you can with Nighthawk or Drake.
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