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Gaven Darklighter Gallente The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.04 23:42:00 - [121] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix DEEERP REDEEEDEEDERP DERPPPPPPPPP DERPITTY DRUPIDERPEEDEEPER DERRP What an astute observation tl;dr OP is crying again
Praetorian Phoenix	Posted - 2009.11.05 00:17:00 - [122] Originally by: Gaven Darklighter No risk, except being shot at by the player... and their corp. But that isn't risk right? If you weren't afraid of risking things you would be in 0.0 or low-sec. Nuff said. Prove me wrong? Just try and defend the stance that you're in high sec because it's a more challenging game. You do it because you can make loads of money without putting yourself in harms way. And you know it. Why can't you just admit it like at least a few of the people above you with some self-respect have.
Bud Johnson Broski Enterprises	Posted - 2009.11.05 02:36:00 - [123] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix Originally by: Gaven Darklighter No risk, except being shot at by the player... and their corp. But that isn't risk right? If you weren't afraid of risking things you would be in 0.0 or low-sec. Nuff said. Prove me wrong? Just try and defend the stance that you're in high sec because it's a more challenging game. You do it because you can make loads of money without putting yourself in harms way. And you know it. Why can't you just admit it like at least a few of the people above you with some self-respect have. Never stop trollin' brah.
Zedrik Cayne Gallente Standards and Practices	Posted - 2009.11.05 03:10:00 - [124] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix Originally by: Gaven Darklighter No risk, except being shot at by the player... and their corp. But that isn't risk right? If you weren't afraid of risking things you would be in 0.0 or low-sec. Nuff said. Prove me wrong? Just try and defend the stance that you're in high sec because it's a more challenging game. You do it because you can make loads of money without putting yourself in harms way. And you know it. Why can't you just admit it like at least a few of the people above you with some self-respect have. Hi..I'm Zedrik Cayne. And I find stupid people (Well, more often than not, they find me..Don't ask me how..it happens). The main reason I don't go out to 0.0 or low-sec, is that the concentration of stupid people is relatively low out there. In lowsec they get blown up by the local pirate populace who usually aren't stupid. In 0.0 they are plenty of roaming gangs who aren't stupid and make life insufferably hard for people who find stupid people. I also do not have huge swaths of time (uninterrupted time) to devote to the game..so while I may be logged in, I am not always at the keyboard. I don't make much isk finding stupid people. Its enough to get by on most of the time. While I am not proof of being afraid to risk stuff... I am an example of someone who isn't afraid, yet still hangs out in highsec (mostly, to be frank, to replace my losses when I do lose stuff). -- Originally by: "RedSplat" You're the internet equivalent of a Deepfried Mars bar filled with stupid.
Noble Angar	Posted - 2009.11.05 03:21:00 - [125] What's best about this thread is that despite the OP's intentions to spread awareness regarding his proposed looting solutions, the end result is that people will read this thread and desire to cause the types of feelings that drove OP to post such drivel. An example of this can be seen in the multitude of new subscribers to the game who state that they were driven to subscribe by stories of corp infiltration (gh-sc heist comes to mind), brilliant scams, and the overall openness of opportunities to be a complete scumbag. Clearly OP does not understand the game he claims to play!
Daemonspirit An Android Lust	Posted - 2009.11.06 16:06:00 - [126] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix HOWEVER, I feel that the current system whereby evil carebears can run in and harass the missioner into shooting is a poor way to remedy this situation. There is NO risk for the evil carebear in this situation, which is why I insist on calling you carebears. I'm not sure how to remedy the situation, but I feel like the best way to do it would be to change up missions. FFS - Best way to do it is: A) Don't mission in Hubs, B) Don't pull the trigger! I mission, sometimes a lot. I have never been ninja'd, or baited or "HARASSED INTO SHOOTING". I mean srsly! If you dont' pull the trigger: THEY CAN"T DO ANYTHING! Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix Overall though I would like to say I appreciate your ability to read AND analyze my claims, and successfully (I would argue) rebut them. This is what I wanted to get, not a bunch of people claiming "BUTTHURT" but what was I to expect eh? Just because people disagree with you, doesn't mean they didn't read your posts... And just because they don't address the issues you bring up, in the order you brought them up, and discuss them according to your liking or taste... Sorry, that doesn't necessarily make them wrong! ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
Praetorian Phoenix	Posted - 2009.11.06 19:19:00 - [127] Originally by: Noble Angar What's best about this thread is that despite the OP's intentions to spread awareness regarding his proposed looting solutions, the end result is that people will read this thread and desire to cause the types of feelings that drove OP to post such drivel. An example of this can be seen in the multitude of new subscribers to the game who state that they were driven to subscribe by stories of corp infiltration (gh-sc heist comes to mind), brilliant scams, and the overall openness of opportunities to be a complete scumbag. Clearly OP does not understand the game he claims to play! I actually started this game 5 years ago because of Lyticus's video "A Pirate's Life"
Evil Bugger Gatecrashers SCUM.	Posted - 2009.11.06 19:45:00 - [128] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix Originally by: Noble Angar What's best about this thread is that despite the OP's intentions to spread awareness regarding his proposed looting solutions, the end result is that people will read this thread and desire to cause the types of feelings that drove OP to post such drivel. An example of this can be seen in the multitude of new subscribers to the game who state that they were driven to subscribe by stories of corp infiltration (gh-sc heist comes to mind), brilliant scams, and the overall openness of opportunities to be a complete scumbag. Clearly OP does not understand the game he claims to play! I actually started this game 5 years ago because of Lyticus's video "A Pirate's Life" its a shame you weren't rickrolled, save us reading moar of your inane ramblings.
Elder Kromb Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.06 19:50:00 - [129] Im sure its been said with broski in this thread but... COOL STORY BRO! Seriously? u been playing for 5 years and cant handle high sec grievers? wait, seems its more like you don't understand game mechanics... Tbh, having been a "high sec pirate" myself for a good half a year, i can safely say most do it for solo killmails and lulz... Learn from experience. Less QQ more pewpew.
Dograzor	Posted - 2009.11.06 20:00:00 - [130] I have encountered a bunch of highsec piwates while mining/hauling/missioning in highsec. Most of them are experienced pilots who know what they are doing, so beware about the following things. - When getting flipped/ninja'd, check the ship and more important the pilot who's flying it. If he's an 2003-2007/8 player, he will have decent fighting skills. Also check sec status for a better idea who you are facing. - He will most likely fly a T1 frig or cruiser, but beware, he will be loaded with T2 fits. The T1 ship is to trick you into shooting them, since you will see it as easy picking especially if you have a bigger ship nearby. If you're not T2 fitted, don't bother engaging. - Don't use or leave cans full. Use a 2nd account to haul while mining, salvage, etc. If needed to transfer items between characters, drop a bookmark in the can, & take the items out of the can to the other character asap. - Check his corp. Then check local to see if any of his corp mates are in the system. Cause if you will aggro the guy in a bigger ship, mr. pirate can have 3-4 corp mates jump in and rr him. In most cases, a gang like that can easily keep your target alive while he pops you. If you got a corp as backup, make sure your corp is organized too, cause those gangs are efficient. And well, if his corp mates are waiting in the adjecent systems, you won't see them, then you sir, are screwed. =) - If you don't leave any valuables in can, you got no real reason to pop him. Just let him wait around till he buggers off. Some cases even go afkish, giving you the oppertunity to move your miner 4km further, and keep happily mining. It can take him a minute or 5-10 to realise that your can is out of reach. - Don't QQ, whine, cry about this. Welcome to Eve, get used to any forms of pirating. I gave you a list of things that can avoid you being blown up, so blame yourself when you get popped, cause it means the other guy is better at what you do. Suck it up. ^^
Kiljaedenas	Posted - 2009.11.06 21:34:00 - [131] Dude. Seriously. Although I'm an avid mission runner and can flippers REALLY ** me off, I have to say your rather epic series of posts and the corresponding replies on this is complete overkill. It is what many people have said: Adapt or die. I have played over a thousand video games in my life (and I'm not that old either) and I have never encountered anything with the amount of elaborate complexity or potential difficulty as Eve. This is exactly what the game is for: a true challenge for die-hard gamers, and although I have suffered some expensive losses from "hisec pirates" as you call them, it forced me to adapt, and become a better player. I learned, very quickly, the specific mechanics that allowed can flippers to do what they do, and piece by piece I became stronger. Now, I have far stronger skills and a corporation of powerful friends that will make anyone who can flips me seriously regret it unless they are very careful. This is Eve, and players have to learn for themselves of this risk. And I'm surprised that no-one posted the rather simple solution to can flippers: If you're in the middle of the mission firing at NPCs and a can flipper does his thing, just warp out to a station. Since your ship is no longer there, the NPCs attack the flipper, and since the flipper is most likely equipped for PvP his ship will most likely be rather terrible for PvE. He also will not want to have the tables turned on him if you immediately warp back in and attack so he has to deal with both you AND the NPCs, so he will want to get out of there very damn fast. Or, even if he is strong enough to take on the NPCs or can call nearby corpmates in to help him, that would mean that he would have to do the regular mission grind and from what I can tell, can flippers HATE to do that (any hisec pirates who read this feel free to agree/disagree/flame/whatever). There are thousands upon thousands of video games in existence that do not involve interaction with other human players. Anyone who starts playing an MMORPG, especially one as difficult as Eve, has to be aware of the possible risks. And as a player who is succesffully adapting to the risks of Eve (no one can ever claim to be fully adapted to it), I say this: 1) To players who complain about being can-flipped and then destroyed because they didn't think before they shot: ** off. You aren't worthy to play Eve. 2) To players that equate Eve to real life (this includes you OP): Turn off your computer, go out, get laid. Seriously. I mean it. 3) To OP: Let players learn the risks for themselves. If they don't like it and keep making the same mistakes, they can always quit and find a game more suitable for their skill level (or lack thereof). So SHUT UP!
Logit Probit	Posted - 2009.11.06 22:34:00 - [132] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix
Sader Rykane Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate	Posted - 2009.11.06 22:53:00 - [133] http://www.rense.com/general2/burg.htm Sig Gallery is currently down: Contact me ingame for prices.
Ssakaa Minmatar Starfish Operating Syndicate Independent Faction	Posted - 2009.11.07 13:40:00 - [134] Picking out a couple of things, OP. Quote: Eve is all about risk vs reward. For some, maybe. How about choice vs consequence? Y'know, the very thing that certain RPG forums get so incensed about. :decline: Eve, for me at least, is precisely about choices and consequence. When I first started to get into EVE mining more seriously, a pair of fine fellows decided to ruin my character's day by ganking her humble retriever in 0.5 space. Concorde paid them a visit, almost instantaneously. Who won out? They did, certainly. They chose to ruin my character's day, and paid the (almost non-existent) price -a destroyer or whatever it was. Was my character mad at them? No, because they did her a massive favour -- pay bloody attention, even (especially) if you're mining or missioning. Bone up on who is in your vicinity et cetera et cetera. I should have thanked them for teaching a sound lesson, but didn't, which was a shame. Both they and both I chose a flavour of x, and the consequences, y, were of benefit to both parties, I would argue. Quote: So then Eve really isn't a sandbox is it? It surely is. Okay, apples and pears, but go look at the single player PC market, or even better, the console one. The days of Planescape: Torment, Vampire Bloodlines Masquerade, (insert Black Isle/Troika game here) are gone. Not to labour the 'Choice and consequence' motif, but it takes a back seat, nowadays. That's really bad mojo, for some. :fatbeard: EVE actually injects C&C directly into your spinal chord, for which you and I should both be very grateful. And, further, you might consider discretely thanking those whom you are aggrieved by; their past choices might well make your character's own future choices better implemented, less risky and productive --the consequences more positive for you. (Edited to add:) Casual observation: By insulting some of the above posters, whom, in their own way, are trying to help you, isn't perhaps the best way to live 'n' learn, aye?
Boomershoot Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.11.07 13:52:00 - [135] Edited by: Boomershoot on 07/11/2009 13:52:36 Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix THEY CAN"T DO ANYTHING! You wish ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
Achura Morachu	Posted - 2009.11.07 14:49:00 - [136] Originally by: Kiljaedenas Edited by: Kiljaedenas on 06/11/2009 22:03:05 1) To regular can flippers: You suck. Just so you know my opinion of people like you hasn't changed. tl;dr: want more people to flip my can. I'm a noob. Been playing for maybe 3 months or so, tried mining (even joined a mining corp), tried missioning. Boring. Tried lowsec, not boring, but I don't have much faith in my Incursus to take on Inties, HACs and the like -- especially because I got my own private NRDS going (sandbox, remember). But then there was corp chat, and lots of people complaining about can flippers. So I invested a handfull of isks into a crappy mining cruiser, set out to top belt and mined away for a while. Punisher came, stole my precious Veldspar. Looked at me funny when I neuted, scrambled and webbed him (you know the saying: never pluck your miner into a roid without protection!) and blew him up. In terms of isks or kills it isn't worthwile of course, but to me it's great to learn the basics of PvP -- it's risk-free, I get to know which targets I can handle (rifters are tricky, vexors even more so) and what buttons to press at what times, and most of all it teaches patience. The only problem is that there's so precious few can flippers around. (posted with alt for obvious reasons)
RedSplat Noir.	Posted - 2009.11.07 17:07:00 - [137] Edited by: RedSplat on 07/11/2009 17:07:55 I personally consider can flipping no worse than accepting a Merc contract from someone. EDIT: I said PERSONALLY Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
Scout Ops	Posted - 2009.11.07 18:05:00 - [138] 9/10 good attention catching and elaborated writing style.
John Caffeine Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2009.11.07 18:17:00 - [139] Solution: remove concord and high-sec from the game.
Yurru Vaal	Posted - 2009.11.07 23:01:00 - [140] Originally by: John Caffeine Solution: remove concord and high-sec from the game. Never happen, game only got as big as it did because of the addition of Hi-sec, etc....
Gaven Darklighter Gallente The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction	Posted - 2009.11.08 00:27:00 - [141] Edited by: Gaven Darklighter on 08/11/2009 00:29:24 Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix Originally by: Gaven Darklighter No risk, except being shot at by the player... and their corp. But that isn't risk right? Stupid things with extra stupid Let me break it down for you: We harass you because you shoot us and we kill you and take your stuffs. I can't make you hit the F1 button. That's your poor judgement's job. P.S. ... I live in low sec 99% of the time. you are just an insufferable crytard who needs a ride in a whambulance
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.08 00:31:00 - [142] A little disappointed i missed the boat on this thread ... Just stopping by to say hi Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Scout Ops	Posted - 2009.11.16 01:27:00 - [143] tehn move to lowsec
Fat Buddah	Posted - 2009.11.16 02:58:00 - [144] I'm sorry but....after shooting down a ninja looter, knowing that they now have the right to shoot you for the next 15 minutes, why are you still there missioning ?
Xi Tzu Amarr V I R I I Cult of War	Posted - 2009.11.16 14:35:00 - [145] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix Did you read the definition of sociopath? Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt Callousness/Lack of Empathy Manipulative and Conning Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle Other Related Qualities: # Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them # Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired (C&P lul) Hmmm since I tick 5 out of 6 of those boxes I must be one too... not quite sure what "conning" is tho? ---------------------------------------------- Need to make new sig ----------------------------------------------
Mytzso Somali Coastguard Authority	Posted - 2009.11.16 16:39:00 - [146] I would just like to say that we at EYL strive to eradicate all forms of high-sec piracy. If you suffer from high-sec piracy related problems, do contact us and explain your difficulties in detail. We might be able to help you in our unique, traditional way.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2009.11.16 17:32:00 - [147] Hello, I'm Marko Riva and I'm a high sec pirate. Should I; a) delete my character because of the utter failure I am for not being in 0.0, because being told what to do and having to deal with idiots is a good thing b) have myself checked by a psychologist because I must have some mental disorders, possibly from being bullied too much in my early years c) remove the 'pirate' part because I'm not -10 and therefore not a true pirate d) remove the training wheels called high sec e) enjoy my freedom of movement and being able to idle when I want to, especially as I have no expensive assets that can be attacked f) get rich off of high sec idiots who fly way too expensive ships while not knowing how to use them Please pick 2 of the above, thank you. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. Alliance creation service, also corp updates
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.11.16 17:55:00 - [148] Originally by: Praetorian Phoenix Originally by: Gaven Darklighter No risk, except being shot at by the player... and their corp. But that isn't risk right? If you weren't afraid of risking things you would be in 0.0 or low-sec. Nuff said. Prove me wrong? Just try and defend the stance that you're in high sec because it's a more challenging game. You do it because you can make loads of money without putting yourself in harms way. And you know it. Why can't you just admit it like at least a few of the people above you with some self-respect have. Support my proposal to make L4 combat mission deadspaces equivalent to lo-sec. Then you'd be able to defend your wrecks before they're looted.
Thargorr Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:37:00 - [149] /signs Malcanis proposal.
Aurora IV	Posted - 2009.11.16 18:42:00 - [150] CCP made a video regarding this. I got it off their account on youtube: CCP Addressing This Topic

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