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Dinaahk Elam
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Posted - 2009.11.04 09:43:00 -
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A recent look of the concord records has shown that you engage in Piracy as shown here.
And that the pilot was indeed punished by Concord here.
Also recent records show that you actually were given some space from Against All Athorities here. Since you claim you dont pay rent, and you claim you didnt buy the space, we can assume that you are such great Allies with AAA because of your massive PVP prowess and Capital fleet, so you should be able to protect that space and the people in it.
For the record inquiring minds would like to know if this Concord record was indeed you coming for your people? Were they inside? Or was the thought of a free Hulk inside? Or are you just Pirates and use the excuse of Freedom fighters as a cover story.
You claim to be a NRDS Alliance, will your Overlords AAA allow you to open your space and allow you to administer it the way you see fit or are you really just pets? If you are AAA Holders then I guess you wont be able to do what you want in that space. If you are not then I guess you will want to allow neutrals use of your space as you did in Providence when you had space there.
The question is simple, if UK are not Pirates we can assume that the Hulk was your people, and if your not AAA Pet Holders we can assume you want to administer your space freely and allow NRDS in it, since you claim to be NRDS, and if your truly Freedom Fighters we can assume that your overlords will allow you to sheapard the weak and have a safe haven in your space.
So please UK fill us in and let us know, because all of this is quite confusing to me, and the multitude of others.
Which is it?
Sincerely,
Dinaahk Elam
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.04 10:27:00 -
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Catch and Providence are designated "free fire" zones for Ushra'Khan. This hardly needs explaining, as all the residents are either with us, or against us, even if neutral they still support the slaver empire by using their services and pay their taxes.
The pilot in question has been dealt with. All who break our ROE will be.
You see, many people that come to U'K have different backgrounds and some may disagree with certain things. Rest assured that it gets dealt with swiftly.
You'll have to await an response from someone higher up the food chain about our space ;)
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.04 11:31:00 -
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Rare isolated incidents of ROE violation occur in every alliance. I can show you examples of ROE violations from virtually every single alliance in Providence, however, us more professional NRDS alliances take action swiftly when such an incident occurs.
Personal opinion, not necessarily the opinion of Ushra'Khan: If a pilot or organization isn't willing to negotiate standings, I will not shoot them outside of a free fire zone, but if they aren't willing to help us end slavery, then I feel that they have no business in our space.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi if they aren't willing to help us end slavery, then I feel that they have no business in our space.
Does "helping you to end slavery" include the adoption of negative standings towards pro-slavery groups?
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.04 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Kazzzi if they aren't willing to help us end slavery, then I feel that they have no business in our space.
Does "helping you to end slavery" include the adoption of negative standings towards pro-slavery groups?
It would simply include having the intestinal fortitude to take a stand and show some form of dedication to the cause. Nothing more, nothing less. I personally would welcome refugee aid station volunteers just as much as black ops combat pilots. I have never seen U'K dictate the ROE of allies.
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.04 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Kazzzi if they aren't willing to help us end slavery, then I feel that they have no business in our space.
Does "helping you to end slavery" include the adoption of negative standings towards pro-slavery groups?
i personally dont care if he has blue or red to provibloc, as long he does something else that convinces me of his sincere efforts against the practise of slavery.
naturally, if they shoot the slaver bloc - they will be redded by those, this is a possible effect, not a necessity.
since there is just two things you can do in providence:
- support slavery by docking, ratting and other means of filling the slavers pockets - shooting those who commit above
its a clear a simple choice, and this has been elaboreated in devery detail ever and ever again.
and ever again.
its known.
teh orinal poster either intended to launch yet another mudfight against us, ignoring our well known and well propagated policy
or he is some rookie who failed to do his homework.
the lack of corp or alliance, and any other tag suggest he does not even have a pod license and thus just hacked his way into galnet.
Also interesting to see how much he admires concord, as if concord would be a fair entity - we all known theyre corrupted by amarr influence.
recruiting -forum
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Chooch Chooch
Chooch Inc. Twilight Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.04 14:10:00 -
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as some who has been fighting UK in and out of space, in bars pubs, even Krull made me sign a no fire zone in his pleasure hub if a UK comes in. I can freely say they are not Pirates.
How do we know this, yes they may be skinny and dark skinned and fly fast moving baoats that sneak up on unsspecting ships. Yes they may wear sunglasses in space, but the telltale eye pach and peg legs are usually missing, and instead of yelling ARRRR in local they yell we have come for our people.
As for them killing a Hulk maybe it iwas run by slaves, or maybe it was a "slight weapons malfunction"
On a side note after sticking up for UK here I think I need to take a shower as I suddenly feel dirty. But seriously criticize them where it should be don't make up stuff
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Codo Yagari
Epitoth Guard Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.04 14:44:00 -
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The residents of Providence are of cultures from all over New Eden, and Amarr in itself is a very diverse society, it is a grave mistake for Ushra'Khan and other anti-slavery forces to conduct NBSI in Providence and even any other region.
Some Amarrians do not support slavery, but this does not mean that we turn on our own heritage and fight it with ray and bomb. I do however consider it understandable that some, depending on heritage, perhaps as slaves, may have grudges against certain Amarrians, however this does by no means justify the murdering of the innocent. Providence is free space, and that freedom is maintained by CVA and the Holders. Why must those who are not opposed to these guardians of free space die? It is taking things too far. Way too far.
Ushra'Khan as freedom fighters should not only fight against the enslaving of humans, but also against the political opression that NBSI policy is. NBSI is the means of the desperate. To completely convert to all-region NRDS would at least be a step in the right direction.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.04 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Makk Catch and Providence are designated "free fire" zones for Ushra'Khan. This hardly needs explaining, as all the residents are either with us, or against us, even if neutral they still support the slaver empire by using their services and pay their taxes.
Is there a reason why Catch and Providence are free fire zones but the Amarr Empire, Khanid Kingdom or Ammatar Mandate are not? Since the pilots in those regions indirectly support slavery as well by taxes and fees?
Is it perhaps because Ushra Khan pilots make use of Empire services and thereby indirectly support slavery themselves?
I claim the 'indirectly supporting of slavery' argument is a false one. If you would indeed think so, then why not shun Empire markets and stations altogether and also apply your same principle there? ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Wanoah
Minmatar Msana Foundation
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Posted - 2009.11.04 16:26:00 -
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I think my weaselometer broke.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.11.04 17:51:00 -
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From what I'm hearing, U'K doesn't have an NRDS policy at all. An NRDS policy is a policy where someone is allowed to disagree with you, but so long as they don't actively work against you, they're allowed to do whatever they want without you using it as an excuse to blow them up.
U'K seems to have a policy that's more along the lines of 'With us or against us'. Either you're a brave fighter for freedom, equality, and love, or you're an evil slavery-supporting enemy of everything good. That's text book NBSI policy right there.
The only difference is that they can't necessarily prove which side you're on outside of their main theatre of operations, so they've decided to adopt NRDS policy outside of it to avoid any mishaps. But that doesn't mean they're an alliance with an NRDSI policy. It means they're an alliance with a benefit of the doubt policy.
Ushra'Khan: The only significant BOD alliance.
Addendum: The original accusations of piracy are foolish. U'K can be described as terrorists, if you want to, but I have yet to see any instances of them committing piracy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Dinaahk Elam
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.11.04 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Dinaahk Elam on 04/11/2009 20:29:22 This is not about Providence, this is about the fact that you seem to be nothing more than Pirates who hide behind a cause so you can Pirate.
You still have not answered my question, if neutrals came to your space would you give them refuge? or are you allowed to give them refuge? If you allow people to come and trade mine and rat in your space will that get AAA upset at you?
How can you claim to be NBSI in Providence and Catch only? You only live in Providence and Catch, so therefore there would never be an incident where you would be NRDS.
When UK had space in Providence you practiced NRDS, you lost that space unfortunately but such is life in 0.0 I guess. Earlier you claim to not want space, not need space, and now only a month or so later you are granted space.
How will you be allowed to administer this space? Will your overlords AAA allow you to have neutrals in there to trade with you, buy from you, rat and dock in your stations and pay your fees and support your anti slavery position and cause?
It is a fair question, How can neutrals help you? Will you allow Minmatar Faction Warefare Pilots to come to your space and rat sec and make isk? like the CVA do for support of Faction warefare?
If I were to bring down 1000 Freedom Fighters and a rifter for them to do battle in your strugle would I be blown from the skies or allowed to dock in your stations and deliver an offering?
It is a simple question, we all would like to know, are you bound by your AAA masters or are you free to do with your space as you wish? Or have you just changed one master (Amarrian Slaver) for another one (AAA Slaver)?
Sincerely,
Dinaahk Elam
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.11.04 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dinaahk Elam
This is not about Providence, this is about the fact that you seem to be nothing more than Pirates who hide behind a cause so you can Pirate.
Show us other records of them pirating. A single pilot pirating does not make U'K a pirate gang.
Quote: You still have not answered my question, if neutrals came to your space would you give them refuge? or are you allowed to give them refuge? If you allow people to come and trade mine and rat in your space will that get AAA upset at you?
Already answered: In free fire zones, neutrals get shot at. They live in the free fire zones. 1 + 1 equals...
Quote: How can you claim to be NBSI in Providence and Catch only? You only live in Providence and Catch, so therefore there would never be an incident where you would be NRDS.
Largely agreed, though it does mean that if a couple U'K pilots for their own personal reasons decided to fly outside of Providence/Catch, they wouldn't be allowed to just shoot at anyone that looked at them funny.
Quote: When UK had space in Providence you practiced NRDS, you lost that space unfortunately but such is life in 0.0 I guess. Earlier you claim to not want space, not need space, and now only a month or so later you are granted space.
Is this really surprising? I doubt there's any Alliance out there that will openly say "Yeah, we're pretty much screwed." U'K wasn't screwed, they continued to do well, and the space was a bonus.
Quote: How will you be allowed to administer this space? Will your overlords AAA allow you to have neutrals in there to trade with you, buy from you, rat and dock in your stations and pay your fees and support your anti slavery position and cause?
It is a fair question, How can neutrals help you? Will you allow Minmatar Faction Warefare Pilots to come to your space and rat sec and make isk? like the CVA do for support of Faction warefare?
CVAs purpose is to expand Imperial Space into nullsec. The TLF are enemies of the Empire, the 24th are supposed allies of the Empire. However CVA does not as a group support the 24th because CVA views them as far too disorganized. So there is no faction warfare support beyond coincidence: CVA might, at some point, fight members of the TLF if the TLF were to invade their space, but that would be the extent of their faction warfare.
Quote: If I were to bring down 1000 Freedom Fighters and a rifter for them to do battle in your strugle would I be blown from the skies or allowed to dock in your stations and deliver an offering?
It is a simple question, we all would like to know, are you bound by your AAA masters or are you free to do with your space as you wish? Or have you just changed one master (Amarrian Slaver) for another one (AAA Slaver)?
This is the only relatively worthwhile question in the whole piece, but simply because AAA requires some rules to be followed does not make them slavers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.04 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sapphrine on 04/11/2009 21:03:27 You'll notice that the pilot is no longer in U'K. We also take a dim view on pointless piracy. Piracy against slavers is simply the redistribution of wrongfully gotten gains.
I call it piracy to save you the trouble. Amarrian slavers are very much red to us and when we find new ones they are added as such.
The matter is closed
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Dinaahk Elam
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.11.04 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine Edited by: Sapphrine on 04/11/2009 21:03:27 You'll notice that the pilot is no longer in U'K. We also take a dim view on pointless piracy. Piracy against slavers is simply the redistribution of wrongfully gotten gains.
I call it piracy to save you the trouble. Amarrian slavers are very much red to us and when we find new ones they are added as such.
The matter is closed
It is good to see the UK made an example of him for the others in your organization, and set him aside.
However I have yet to be answered my question. Will UK support freedom in thier space and endorse NRDS in your space and allow refuge to those who seek it, or wont AAA allow that?
Will you set up a haven like others and allow free trade, mining, ratting, and the general supportive nature that you accuse neutrals doing in Providence in your space for you? If your truly NRDS or well want to be why wont it work in your space now like it did in Prvidence before? Are you allowed to administer your space as you see fit?
Sincerely,
Dinaahk Elam
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 04/11/2009 23:01:46
Dinaahk, we are free to run our space as we see fit, that means operating NRDS and set standings if and as we choose.
However, all our neighbors in the region operate NBSI and as we are completely surrounded by our allies there is no way into our space without 'running the gauntlet' so to speak.
This means 2 things. The first is that anyone wanting access to our space (including our blues) needs positive standings from our allies, something they need work out for themselves (we are of course willing to put in the good word where appropriate). Not becuase we won't let them in without positive standings, but because they likely won't get to our space intact. The second is we simply don't get neutrals in our space so the point is almost entirely moot. 0.0 away from the empire entrances is much simpler in this regard, something often overlooked by empire dwellers when they criticize NBSI alliances.
Of course we could pressure our allies to work toward running free-space, but this is not our goal, nor our priority. We support the ideal of free space and operate NRDS everywhere we feel militarily appropriate, but our goal is to end slavery and particularly the infestation in Providence and upper Catch.
Here's some food for thought: just a couple of days ago we allowed a red convey into our space so that several hundred slaves could be delivered into our care. We requested they be allowed free passage from our allies in our space, and held fire ourselves. This despite the fact the convoy was red to us and is an enemy on any other day.
It's all about priorities.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.04 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Dinaahk, we are free to run our space as we see fit, that means operating NRDS and set standings if and as we choose.
However, all our neighbors in the region operate NBSI and as we are completely surrounded by our allies there is no way into our space without 'running the gauntlet' so to speak.
Mr. Mithralia, I understand that you cannot accept responsibility for people that get shot while trying to get to your space. However, is a neutral pilot that has 'run the gauntlet' and arrived in your space exempt from fire by you and your allies? Do your allies operate NRDS in your space, or will you sit idly by and perhaps nod approvingly if one of your allies shoots a neutral in your space?
If you are unable to enforce NRDS upon your allies in your space, is it really your space? If you are unwilling to enforce NRDS upon your allies in your space, are you really practicing NRDS? ____
The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 00:15:00 -
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There's always one .. provide an honest answer and some slaver muck raker tries to make more of it than exists.
Merdaneth, we operate NBSI in all of Catch, make of that what you will, I won't repeat myself for your entertainment.
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Dinaahk Elam
Amarr Modern Marvels
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Posted - 2009.11.05 01:06:00 -
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So basically by isolating yourselves into a piece of space where you use AAA as a meatshield your saying you cant allow NRDS, and you dont want that space anyway kinda.
So you have in a nutshell answered my question, your no different than any other NBSI Alliance you hide behind a failed ideal, and preach that what goes on elsewhere is wrong, but your unwilling to do what is right in your own space.
No wonder Providence grows daily, they basically do the exact opposite of what the UK do and people flock to them, the region grows, people grow and make friends forge Alliances and infrastructure while you sit behind AAA precaching your anti slavery, when actually your just nothing more than AAA, Atlas, Goons, Bob / kenny / It, PL, NC etall.
I was hoping for a real UK esque answer instead I got a run around and deflection of the facts your not any different than any other 0.0 space holding Alliance and thier pets.
I was really hoping to see growth and potential of what was UK, but all I got is what UK is now. :(
Sincerely,
Dinaahk Elam
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.11.05 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia There's always one .. provide an honest answer and some slaver muck raker tries to make more of it than exists.
Merdaneth, we operate NBSI in all of Catch, make of that what you will, I won't repeat myself for your entertainment.
I can make the question more compact. If an ally is in your space, and a neutral or red (to the ally, mind) is present there, do you allow that ally to fire upon the pilot which is neutral to you?
This is an entirely different question from what you addressed, though you did address that question quite well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 02:21:00 -
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*Kazzzi looks at a map
Why does everyone insist upon basically comparing U'K to the Providence block? We are 1/10 the size of Provi, if that. We are fighting a war against far superior numbers and live close to the front lines. Truly neutral parties don't have easy access to where our space is located deep in Catch, we don't have hisec entrances available to them. Only an idiot or a Modern Marvel propaganda bot would expect us to treat our space any differently than our current ROE dictates.
We just broke ground on our new space, northern Catch is still in enemy hands and there is a war ongoing. To claim our space is safe for outsiders would be premature. Once the Imperial sympathizers are defeated, slavery ended and the region is secure then maybe we can start to think about the neutrals.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 08:41:00 -
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Lets try once more in simple words so that you might understand Dinaahk.
We fight Slavery. CVA support the Amarrian empire and claim Providence for the empire. We aim to disagree. By operating the region NRDS they create a meat shield and fund their operation in the area. By this alone, anyone operating in Providence is likely to be supporting slavers either divectly or by filling their coffers. This is the reason providence is a free fire zone.
Catch is a free fire zone because it is what is needed to deal with the security in the area and the region is held by -a-.
But what if a neutral gets to our space and wants to live there? Well the answer is i'd be rather impressed. To have traversed at least one region of 0.0 space without thinking to speak to any of the space holding entities involved and not to discuss standings just to say, 'is it ok to come here?'. Your argument is absurd. If a neutral shows up in deep Catch they didn't just accidentally roll into the space, they have shown up for a reason. If they haven't contacted us first then there is every chance that they will be shot. I mean really, if we announced neutrals are welcome in u'k space how happy do you think people would be about getting slaughtered jumping through HED-GP / Doril. It is hardly like they can just jump in from empire space and be in our space. As Karn showed, even reds can have safe passage in our space for the right reasons.
Finally, -a- are our allies. They don't dictate standings to us and we don't tell them to set people blue. We were gifted our space as we had proved ourselves in their eyes and it was seen as necessary for our continued growth as an alliance. I understand that the concept is alien to slavers but try to understand that two groups can act in such a way that is mutually beneficial with a little bit of thought :)
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jakiin
Originally by: Karn Mithralia There's always one .. provide an honest answer and some slaver muck raker tries to make more of it than exists.
Merdaneth, we operate NBSI in all of Catch, make of that what you will, I won't repeat myself for your entertainment.
I can make the question more compact. If an ally is in your space, and a neutral or red (to the ally, mind) is present there, do you allow that ally to fire upon the pilot which is neutral to you?
This is an entirely different question from what you addressed, though you did address that question quite well.
So your question is, do we dictate standings in our space whilst claiming that the area we hold is open to all and that people are free to use the space as they like?
No we don't dictate standings to our allies. Something about this mutual respect rather than holder - master relationship.
I think the problem in this thread is that alot of people seem to not understand that there are more ways to run NRDS than Pax Providence make out.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.05 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzzi We just broke ground on our new space, northern Catch is still in enemy hands and there is a war ongoing. To claim our space is safe for outsiders would be premature. Once the Imperial sympathizers are defeated, slavery ended and the region is secure then maybe we can start to think about the neutrals.
Your space is not safe for outsiders because you shoot at them. That has nothing to do with the Providence block. Basically, Ushra Khan has an NBSI policy in all the territories they frequent. Who really cares that Ushra Khan uses NRDS in the Drone Region or Delve? What people care most about is what policy an alliance uses in their own space and the space the visit frequently.
I can understand that your space isn't safe due to the war, but you are actively making your space unsafe.
You claim that people using Providence are indirectly supporting slavery. Would not people making use of your space indirectly support your own cause? However, you fire on both supporters of slavery and those against slavery in your own space.
Embrace your own pragmatism and bloodlust and stop painting these illusions of benevolence or NRDS. At this moment in its history Ushra Khan preys on neutrals because it feels it needs to. That's all there is too it.
Providence is a region of principles. People don't fire on neutral even though there are wars ongoing. That's the difference between moral Amarrian and an immoral terrorist.
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.05 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sapphrine
I think the problem in this thread is that alot of people seem to not understand that there are more ways to run NRDS than Pax Providence make out.
Running NRDS in high-security space is easy. Running NRDS in regions you rarely visit is easy. Running NRDS in the region you claim for your own, that is hard.
I only enslave people in the Amarr Empire, I don't enslave people in the Republic or elsewhere where the local laws don't allow it. Does that make me pro-slavery or against slavery?
Now, please apply the same logic to your NRDS stance.
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Kazzzi
Amarr Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kazzzi on 05/11/2009 12:05:20
Originally by: Merdaneth
Your space is not safe for outsiders because you shoot at them. That has nothing to do with the Providence block. Basically, Ushra Khan has an NBSI policy in all the territories they frequent. Who really cares that Ushra Khan uses NRDS in the Drone Region or Delve? What people care most about is what policy an alliance uses in their own space and the space the visit frequently.
You really don't know what you are talking about. When we lived in the Curse region, we maintained NRDS in Curse. This made it difficult to operate due to the extreme hostile nature of the area, but we followed our ROE and focused our attention on slaver infested Catch and Providence.
Our ROE is well publicized and easy to understand. Feel free to interpret it however you wish in order to invent arguments to slander us, but we've already heard it all before. You may call us pirates or terrorists, but it doesn't change the fact that we come for our people.
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.11.05 12:41:00 -
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There seems to be a common misunderstanding going on; Ushra'Khan are freedom fighters. They fight against the freedom of others, it is quite simple really. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Mattduk
Gallente Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Sapphrine
I think the problem in this thread is that alot of people seem to not understand that there are more ways to run NRDS than Pax Providence make out.
Running NRDS in high-security space is easy. Running NRDS in regions you rarely visit is easy. Running NRDS in the region you claim for your own, that is hard.
I only enslave people in the Amarr Empire, I don't enslave people in the Republic or elsewhere where the local laws don't allow it. Does that make me pro-slavery or against slavery?
Now, please apply the same logic to your NRDS stance.
Oh please... Someone remove this guy's access to galnet!
What is your goal, pilot? Are you calling is liars or are you trying to convince us to use NRDS everywhere?
Originally by: Merdaneth I only enslave people in the Amarr Empire, I don't enslave people in the Republic or elsewhere where the local laws don't allow it. Does that make me pro-slavery or against slavery?
If you enslave people, you are pro slavery, no matter where you do it. You people make me sick.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 13:28:00 -
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Stratio laughs at Dinaahk Elam's propaganda attempt. _____________________
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.11.05 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Sapphrine
I think the problem in this thread is that alot of people seem to not understand that there are more ways to run NRDS than Pax Providence make out.
Running NRDS in high-security space is easy. Running NRDS in regions you rarely visit is easy. Running NRDS in the region you claim for your own, that is hard.
I only enslave people in the Amarr Empire, I don't enslave people in the Republic or elsewhere where the local laws don't allow it. Does that make me pro-slavery or against slavery?
Now, please apply the same logic to your NRDS stance.
Thats an interesting argument if i ever heard any. ok so you only enslave people in your space but you don't do it elsewhere in this example and you want me to map that to our nrds stance. So in turn we only run NRDS in our space but NBSI everywhere else? Thats what logic would dictate based on what you said....
If you mean for me to work out what you actually mean and take your general meaning that you think we should operate nrds in our space based on the comparison that it works in providence then please see my explaination further up this thread. You're rehashing the same argument. NRDS in an empire border region is likely to mean alot of people entering your space are true neutral. NRDS in a region 20 jumps from the nearest empire entrance? Which true neutrals are you going to see out there then? Even CVA allows provi holders to shoot neutrals that have little to no history with concord and are acting suspiciously, its just common sense.
So to sum up, we have an 'enquiring mind' highlighting a case where we have a u'k pilot committing piracy and being ejected from the alliance for it and we have a second point asking why we don't run space deep in null sec as a nrds haven in an nbsi sea and further thinly veiled suggestions that we're both -a- pets or should be dictating how they act in our space....
You slavers are a confusing bunch you know...
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