Originally by: Bagehi

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A dev account with a name like "Incognito" posting support doesn't exactly feel very supportive ("Nozh" is another one people speculate about as the account seems to be the repeated bearer of bad news). I am increasingly wishing there was a page with the picture/name of the actual dev connected to their forum/posting persona. I fear both posting accounts would have a nice instead of a face and a name like "Anonymous". But, anonymous support is better than no support.

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Originally by: CCP Incognito

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Originally by: Bagehi

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A dev account with a name like "Incognito" posting support doesn't exactly feel very supportive ("Nozh" is another one people speculate about as the account seems to be the repeated bearer of bad news). I am increasingly wishing there was a page with the picture/name of the actual dev connected to their forum/posting persona. I fear both posting accounts would have a nice instead of a face and a name like "Anonymous". But, anonymous support is better than no support.

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Come to fan fest next year, I will buy you a beer.

Oops maybe there will be imposer Bagehi coming for beer.

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I personally would implement the redesign by making the tower a central module with struts that extend in all 6 directions to the radius of the pos shield.

Modules inside the shield just slot onto the struts (with the ranges rejiggered so if you're close to the tower core, you can open any module and move stuff around, no more playing pinball with a freighter because the modules are scattered around).

At the shield's edge, the strut expands to a circular or polygonal scaffold where the guns and so on can go. Special modules like jump bridges might extend out from the center of the scaffold.

The size of these features can be set so that there's always enough slots to fit any possible configuration.

When they're implemented, existing POS structures can be converted by a simple algorithm that slots them in at the closest possible new location.


while (modules_to_move) {
for each module that needs moving, compute distance to closest valid slot
move the module that is closest to its closest valid slot
}

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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

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I proposed my own spin on the POS redesign in one of the other threads a couple of months ago...

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I personally would implement the redesign by making the tower a central module with struts that extend in all 6 directions to the radius of the pos shield.

Modules inside the shield just slot onto the struts (with the ranges rejiggered so if you're close to the tower core, you can open any module and move stuff around, no more playing pinball with a freighter because the modules are scattered around).

At the shield's edge, the strut expands to a circular or polygonal scaffold where the guns and so on can go. Special modules like jump bridges might extend out from the center of the scaffold.

The size of these features can be set so that there's always enough slots to fit any possible configuration.

When they're implemented, existing POS structures can be converted by a simple algorithm that slots them in at the closest possible new location.


while (modules_to_move) {
for each module that needs moving, compute distance to closest valid slot
move the module that is closest to its closest valid slot
}

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The nice thing about the kind of revamps suggested in this thread (from a dev's POV) is that they are mostly cosmetic changes.

* Change the tower graphic to implement the struts (be they 2, 4 or 6 of them), and the module graphics so they attach to/wrap around the struts.

* Change the anchoring code so that modules can only go in strut positions. And permit people with the right roles to freely move modules without offlining them, for aesthetic reasons -- which also deals with the issue of the automated conversion giving suboptimal results.

* Change the access mechanics for most of the modules so that if you are within, say, 1km or 2.5km of a strut and inside the shield, you can interact with the modules (obvious exceptions might be ship hangers). So you could be 20km away from a corp hanger and still move stuff around -- this would get done by the Flying POS Monkeys moving stuff through the struts.

* Extra bonus idea: add a new "personal hanger" module that has a small ship bay (say, 2-3m) and cargo bay (100k?), so that individual players can have a place in the pos to stash their stuff. No more cans floating around inside the shield, no more dozens of ships in the ship hanger. For extra LOLs, have a "premium personal hanger" that is the only type that can be attached to the upscale "south side" of the POS.

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Originally by: sg3s

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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow

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I proposed my own spin on the POS redesign in one of the other threads a couple of months ago...

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I personally would implement the redesign by making the tower a central module with struts that extend in all 6 directions to the radius of the pos shield.

Modules inside the shield just slot onto the struts (with the ranges rejiggered so if you're close to the tower core, you can open any module and move stuff around, no more playing pinball with a freighter because the modules are scattered around).

At the shield's edge, the strut expands to a circular or polygonal scaffold where the guns and so on can go. Special modules like jump bridges might extend out from the center of the scaffold.

The size of these features can be set so that there's always enough slots to fit any possible configuration.

When they're implemented, existing POS structures can be converted by a simple algorithm that slots them in at the closest possible new location.


while (modules_to_move) {
for each module that needs moving, compute distance to closest valid slot
move the module that is closest to its closest valid slot
}

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The nice thing about the kind of revamps suggested in this thread (from a dev's POV) is that they are mostly cosmetic changes.

* Change the tower graphic to implement the struts (be they 2, 4 or 6 of them), and the module graphics so they attach to/wrap around the struts.

* Change the anchoring code so that modules can only go in strut positions. And permit people with the right roles to freely move modules without offlining them, for aesthetic reasons -- which also deals with the issue of the automated conversion giving suboptimal results.

* Change the access mechanics for most of the modules so that if you are within, say, 1km or 2.5km of a strut and inside the shield, you can interact with the modules (obvious exceptions might be ship hangers). So you could be 20km away from a corp hanger and still move stuff around -- this would get done by the Flying POS Monkeys moving stuff through the struts.

* Extra bonus idea: add a new "personal hanger" module that has a small ship bay (say, 2-3m) and cargo bay (100k?), so that individual players can have a place in the pos to stash their stuff. No more cans floating around inside the shield, no more dozens of ships in the ship hanger. For extra LOLs, have a "premium personal hanger" that is the only type that can be attached to the upscale "south side" of the POS.

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It's really not THAT simple.... but it can be done, which is the important part eh :)

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Originally by: Sollunux

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How'd we get to page 5...

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Originally by: Rigel 17th

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Has the idea of a taking a Titan and making it so that it can be converted into a station? My concept would be that a Titan could park anywhere in a system as long as it was off grid of stations and gates.

When the conversion process is started the titan will open in the middle and a station egg will emerge form the middle and expand. The size of the Titan station will determined by the Pilots level. The Titan Station will be able to hanger ships, store up to 100,000 m3 of gear in the corp hangar, 2 mil m3 in the hangar or more based on pilot rating, and be able to have a clone and medical bay on hand.

The additional feature is that the Titan Station would be able to defend itself. Also once erected a POS type bubble will be established. The Titan Station will allow a pilot to leave it once errected and the pilot can do whatever as long as he knows that when he is not in the station it cannnot defend itself.

When the station is deconstrcuted all ships and equipment that does not fit in their respective modules will be jettisoned. The time for a Titan Station to reconfigure back to a station would be 2 hours. Fuel would be the same as a tower with limitations.

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Originally by: Lashindra Mirn

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bam! to the top!

Great ideas, love it! make it happen CCP!!

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Originally by: Arawn Caledonia

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This is more along the lines of what I'd expect from an outpost. Just extrapolating a bit, do you really need 15 places to dock per system?

If only one new Starbase could be anchored per corp, per system, and they were to receive a massive HP/PG/CPU boost, our existing POS hardware could be integrated and potentially remotely controlled and refueled by the new Starbase. The hub of your corporations network, so to speak.

The old "starbases", having their ability to anchor CHA/SMAs removed, would become extensions in your network. Should the HUB be destroyed, they could still be configured and refueled manually.

It would also be nice if the new structures were moved from moons to planets but I'm not sure how that would affect your planning for the next expansion.

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Originally by: sg3s

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Originally by: Arawn Caledonia

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This is more along the lines of what I'd expect from an outpost. Just extrapolating a bit, do you really need 15 places to dock per system?

If only one new Starbase could be anchored per corp, per system, and they were to receive a massive HP/PG/CPU boost, our existing POS hardware could be integrated and potentially remotely controlled and refueled by the new Starbase. The hub of your corporations network, so to speak.

The old "starbases", having their ability to anchor CHA/SMAs removed, would become extensions in your network. Should the HUB be destroyed, they could still be configured and refueled manually.

It would also be nice if the new structures were moved from moons to planets but I'm not sure how that would affect your planning for the next expansion.

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It is nice to see that people really focus their bashing on the core issues here... The main part we're suggestion here is really the look and feel of a POS... If you haven't seen or used one a lot then this might indeed not sound sensible and you will be distracted by the optional suggestions that came up in the original thread (mind this is a summary with most of the popular ideas).

The only real reason 'docking' is suggested here is because loads others have asked/suggested this... Personally I am also against that, it is still just a POS and it shouldn't be taking over tasks from outposts...

HOWEVER the 'Mooring' suggestion is slightly different in this regard... It's an idea to let super capitals dock, something that is currently not in the game, and in a way that they're still not 100% safe for 100% of the time...

On the issue of stuff @ planets... They can't really do that as that might make it impossible to place an outpost somewhere... or at least annoying, the whole thing has issues, too tired to iterate on that

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Originally by: Athar Mu

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On the whole I would love to see POS's upgraded and them having a more user friendly UI and setup.

But you have to think about how the guns work. At the moment, if you clump all your guns at the top or the bottom then they are easy to take out. Also if they are short range then the ones at the bottom don't hit things at the top very well and if they are long range then all you have to do is sit next to them and orbit and they won't hit very well due to tracking. With the current POS's you can set up the POS to make the most of the tracking and range. If they are forced to be in certain places (ie top or bottom) this will reduce the ability of a POS to survive an attack. Also having limited hardpoints for guns will also affect the way they are set up and reduce their ability to survive an attack as you wouldn't be able set up a good deathstar.

Maybe changing the way modules that sit in the force field relate to each other but keeping the guns separate and on the outside would be a way to keep POS's from being too vulnerable to attack.

One thing I would like to see is having a queue so modules can be onlined one after another without the person having to wait to anchor the next. Keep the same onlining time etc but letting you put them into position and then add it too the queue.

Further to this, having templates (like ship setups) where as long as you have all the modules in say the corp hanger or in space next to the control tower, you could load a template and let it move and online for you. This would open up a whole new market for people to go into, as if you have an effective POS setup you could sell it for isk. I see this as being like a BPC, where you have to copy a template and it gives a certain number of times it can be used, that way it couldn't be sold on once its been used. Any POS setup using a template cannot produce another template, so templates cant be reproduced without the skill and knowledge that it took to set up the original. Only a POS setup manually can produce templates. Like BPC's can't be copied or ships reverse engineered to provide blueprints.

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Originally by: Gecko O'Bac

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Interesting thread with interesting ideas, most of which I support. I don't like very much the docking idea, since consolidating all the structures into a single control point would resolve most of the issues.

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The mooring idea is quite interesting though

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What I find strange though

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If we remove the force field then we can just proceed to attacking directly the station and the modules (like you can with an outpost). The force field functionality would have to be moved elsewhere, for example boosting the structure's shield hp by the right amount and transfering the reinforced functionality to the structure itself. Having the "moored" ships sit physically inside the station (IE: a corporate hangar like carriers) would help eliminating the force field, though It'd probably cause the same db issues that were cited before (though if you can pop a carrier with ships inside its corporate hangar, then I don't know how much different this would be).

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