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Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.11.05 16:45:00 - [1] When they can get a Machariel which has an extra lowslot, a falloff bonus and a massive speed advantage? Gallente Frigate IV, cruiser IV, then BS IV are the only skills you need to train up. I imagine if any pvper is rich and crazy enough to use a fleet 'pest, then they might as well go the extra mile with the new Mach. In pve there's even less reason to choose the weaker ship. Most other pirate battleships have specific functions and are differentiated greatly from their navy counterparts. Bhaalgorn is a BS sized pilgrim with BS tank and dps. Rattlesnake is a shield-buffered drone monster that can shrug off most kinds of ewar. Vindicator is an all or nothing brawler. Nightmare is a giant laser cannon/ T1.5 Marauder. Machariel is... a better, faster fleet tempest? I don't know the best way to make the mach more unique and still useful, but the least change for the better I can think of is to remove a highslot from the fleet 'pest and give its 6th mid back. Shield tankers might have a reason to fly it then. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.11.05 16:48:00 - [2] another question why would anyone buy a tempest
Eli Porter Amarr Altruism.	Posted - 2009.11.05 16:50:00 - [3] If they can get the Machariel, more power to them. However seeing as the Machariel costs a whole lot more and takes more skill points to fully utilize, then the Fleet Tempest might be a better choice to some.
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.11.05 16:54:00 - [4] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 05/11/2009 16:55:48 Originally by: Eli Porter If they can get the Machariel, more power to them. However seeing as the Machariel costs a whole lot more and takes more skill points to fully utilize, then the Fleet Tempest might be a better choice to some. Perhaps. I bought a fully rigged Machariel for 850 million this week (ccc, aux nano pump, nanobot acc). Fleet tempests go for 550 million. Like I said, if you have buckets of cash and you want to pvp in something expensive, might as well go for the better quality ship too. Usually anybody in Eve who is rich enough to pvp in a faction ship has also probably been playing long enough that they have the skills to fly more than one racial ship type, or wouldn't mind devoting the time to train them. Edit: For mission runners, skills and money are no object to better pve performance. The "too expensive" argument is irrelevant here. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance Extreme Prejudice.	Posted - 2009.11.05 17:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 05/11/2009 16:55:48 Originally by: Eli Porter If they can get the Machariel, more power to them. However seeing as the Machariel costs a whole lot more and takes more skill points to fully utilize, then the Fleet Tempest might be a better choice to some. Perhaps. I bought a fully rigged Machariel for 850 million this week (ccc, aux nano pump, nanobot acc). Fleet tempests go for 550 million. Like I said, if you have buckets of cash and you want to pvp in something expensive, might as well go for the better quality ship too. Usually anybody in Eve who is rich enough to pvp in a faction ship has also probably been playing long enough that they have the skills to fly more than one racial ship type, or wouldn't mind devoting the time to train them. Edit: For mission runners, skills and money are no object to better pve performance. The "too expensive" argument is irrelevant here. I just bought a mach for 990mil so Look at vindicator. You could argue that the navy mega is pointless now, but vidicator is going to cost twice as much.
Kazang Gallente Wrecking Shots	Posted - 2009.11.05 17:02:00 - [6] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton another question why would anyone buy a tempest We need a new buff the tempest campaign. It really is just so terrible. Anyway the fleet pest is 1/3 of the price of a mach, faction ships =/ pirate ships so comparing them its pretty stupid. Why would anyone buy a navy mega when you can get a vindi for epic dps and epic web bonus and it doesn't look like a flying hedgerow? Don't answer that it's a rhetorical question. Kazang
Arthur Frayn V.O.F.L IRON CORE H E L I C O N	Posted - 2009.11.05 17:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 05/11/2009 17:11:20 Originally by: TimMc I just bought a mach for 990mil so Look at vindicator. You could argue that the navy mega is pointless now, but vidicator is going to cost twice as much. Navy mega has more hp and an extra lowslot, giving it better tanking options. I know that's not much, but it's at least a valid reason to choose it over the vindi. Originally by: Kazang Anyway the fleet pest is 1/3 of the price of a mach Originally by: Arthur Frayn I bought a fully rigged Machariel for 850 million this week (ccc, aux nano pump, nanobot acc). Fleet tempests go for 550 million. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Kazang Gallente Wrecking Shots	Posted - 2009.11.05 17:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Kazang on 05/11/2009 17:59:31 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 05/11/2009 17:11:20 Originally by: TimMc I just bought a mach for 990mil so Look at vindicator. You could argue that the navy mega is pointless now, but vidicator is going to cost twice as much. Navy mega has more hp and an extra lowslot, giving it better tanking options. I know that's not much, but it's at least a valid reason to choose it over the vindi. Originally by: Kazang Anyway the fleet pest is 1/3 of the price of a mach Originally by: Arthur Frayn I bought a fully rigged Machariel for 850 million this week (ccc, aux nano pump, nanobot acc). Fleet tempests go for 550 million. Machs will be going up after the patch seeing as 0.0 and thus mach supply will likely be disrupted due to the sov changes. Then the demand will be rising due the buffs. 850 mil for a mach is bargain as the prices will be going up, possibly not permanently but for a start i would not be surprised if mach prices rise above a bil. If they don't then great its a reason for me to train large auto-cannons but I for one am expecting the price to go up. The fleet pest may also go up also of course but either way current going rate in jita for a mach is 1bil, which is a hell of a lot more than a fleet pest at 550. edit - I know npc 0.0 may not be vastly effected but its quite likely that there will be some disruption. Kazang
Airborne Ninja Minmatar Virtual HitMen	Posted - 2009.11.05 20:21:00 - [9] Because I like the Tempest and everyone will be firesaling them for Machariels.
Draeklore Unknown-Entity Maru Ka'ge	Posted - 2009.11.05 20:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Arthur Frayn When they can get a Machariel which has an extra lowslot, a falloff bonus and a massive speed advantage? Gallente Frigate IV, cruiser IV, then BS IV are the only skills you need to train up. I imagine if any pvper is rich and crazy enough to use a fleet 'pest, then they might as well go the extra mile with the new Mach. In pve there's even less reason to choose the weaker ship. Most other pirate battleships have specific functions and are differentiated greatly from their navy counterparts. Bhaalgorn is a BS sized pilgrim with BS tank and dps. Rattlesnake is a shield-buffered drone monster that can shrug off most kinds of ewar. Vindicator is an all or nothing brawler. Nightmare is a giant laser cannon/ T1.5 Marauder. Machariel is... a better, faster fleet tempest? I don't know the best way to make the mach more unique and still useful, but the least change for the better I can think of is to remove a highslot from the fleet 'pest and give its 6th mid back. Shield tankers might have a reason to fly it then. Use a Machariel in pvp if you love being primaried.
Lanais Suleia	Posted - 2009.11.05 21:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Draeklore Use any faction/pirate battleship in pvp if you love being primaried. Fixed.
1600 RT	Posted - 2009.11.05 22:16:00 - [12] the fleet pest cost half of a machariel the real reason is why someone would buy a fleet pest when they can buy a fleet phoon for the same or even less isk?
EmperorPirk Amiga Emperiet	Posted - 2009.11.05 23:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Airborne Ninja Because I like the Tempest and everyone will be firesaling them for Machariels. I'll take two. but then again, this signature isn't really relavent to this topic, now is it?
Ignitious Hellfury Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.11.06 00:57:00 - [14] Originally by: 1600 RT the fleet pest cost half of a machariel the real reason is why someone would buy a fleet pest when they can buy a fleet phoon for the same or even less isk? I do not think that will be even remotely true seeing as the fleet phoon comes from FW which gains LP from killing players... Killing players isn't quite the same as killing npcs...
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2009.11.06 01:31:00 - [15] They should just return the fleet tempest to its pre-changes state, making it a weaker crappier machariel is silly and counter-productive. Sure the 8-6-6 tempest isn't all that amazing either but it certainly makes it different from machariel, and I do like that you have that extra mid for more EW or room for a shield tank. So, please CCP won't you humour this bitter vet some and keep the fleet pest with 6 mids? PS. and pls pls pls reconsider the paintjob of gallente navy, the puke green camo motif is fugly. -- stuff --
Susung Alt Anti-defamation League	Posted - 2009.11.06 04:22:00 - [16] Edited by: Susung on 06/11/2009 04:23:01 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton another question why would anyone buy a tempest I have used tempest in w-hole remote armor repp groups where the xtra 2 highs get probe launcher and rr. kinda narrow niche everything else can be done better with the Mael or phoon.

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