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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.11.09 13:36:00 -
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The Third Quarterly Economic Report is published. Learn all about how well EVE's economy has been doing during the third quarter, and how Unholy Rage has made its mark in Dr.EyjoG's newest dev blog.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.09 13:47:00 -
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I'm not telling!
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.11.09 13:48:00 -
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Finally something worth reading. ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Virtuozzo
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.11.09 13:53:00 -
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Well, ok. Done reading.
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Dratic
Honour Bound Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.11.09 14:33:00 -
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Yup not a lot of new stuff in there if you watched the fanfest videos.
Would be interesting to see in the next one some analysis of the recent market speculation around moon materials.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.11.09 14:37:00 -
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Bravo on the prompt delivery! Now reading... --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.11.09 14:37:00 -
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It would be interesting to see not only the top 10 most used ships in total Eve but a finer granularity.
What are the top 10 most used ships in high sec, low sec and 0.0?
From that it is maybe possible to see the different styles of gameplay and that might be relevant to game design decisions also ... maybe.
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Luke S
Mad Bombers
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Posted - 2009.11.09 14:48:00 -
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that's a lot of pretty pictures ---
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Dave Meltdown
Capital Construction Inc.
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Posted - 2009.11.09 15:57:00 -
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Nice one!
Before adding more gravi sites trough upgrades in dominion, pls adjust the L4 loot tables/drone alloys to get the income of L4's more inline with 0.0 activities and boost mining ABC ores so that its worth mining with ships instead of mining by refining
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Winksos Transbithan
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:21:00 -
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Quote: This might be a good lesson regarding our real life economies, showing that if we allow markets to adjust without intervention from governments they correct much quicker than when we try to steer prices to the "correct" level - given that the rules of the market are clear and that information flows relatively freely between agents on the market.
Rules of the market clear? Free flowing information?
This reminds me of the joke about the chemist, the physicist, and the economist stranded on a desert island with no can opener. They come upon a cache of canned goods. Each specialist offers suggestions how to open the cans according to the lights of their professionùwhen it comes to the economist, he says, "Assume we have a can opener..."
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:35:00 -
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Great work. While I'm sure there is a tremendous amount of work that goes into producing a QEN such as this, I have a suggestion: how about administering a player poll with respect to what the players would like to see information wise in the next QEN?
All this QEN tells me is that CCP is trying to reinforce their position that RMT is bad for the game. Yeah, we get it. Now let's get on to something more interesting please. -- Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Tier 5 Battleships
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Karma
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:37:00 -
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Excellent! a new bed-time-story to tell the kids =^_^= will read now.
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Kanuo Ashkeron
Wormhole supervisory and Investigation team Blanket Men
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus I have a suggestion: how about administering a player poll with respect to what the players would like to see information wise in the next QEN?
What¦s about like making suggestions in this thread?
So I would like to see, which are all of the ISK faucets and sinks, and how much to they contribute to the eve money flow (granulated by high, low, nullsec and so on).
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Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
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Posted - 2009.11.09 17:17:00 -
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Some interesting points ive noticed.
Dreads dropped nearly 25%
I would like to know the makeup; Has there been an increase in revelations or at least a decrease not in the same proportion as the other 3? Or perhaps due to boosts of the naglfar and pheonix. Increase there?
The one I really am interested in is the moros. I've been monitoring the price of the moros since the dev blog. For example right now revelation mineral wise costs 1bil to build. While they continue to sell for about 1.3-1.5bil. Which is roughly expected. The build price is more or less the same for moros. Yet they are selling for 1.1bil at extensive volume. Which @ the time of the dev blog. The moros and revelation were pretty much running the same in value. From what I'm seeing. People are dropping moros like mad onto the market to be sold. To the point that there's pretty much no profit in production of moros any longer and that the only are holding this price because of platinum insurance vs fun.
The other issue I have seen. Black ops being the most unused ship. in other words...
THERE ARE MORE TITANS THEN BLACK OPS!
Is this not perfect reasoning to boost black ops to being more capable? Personally I fly black ops constantly. I only due so purely for the epeen value of it. I wouldnt ever dream of leaving highsec with the black ops. For ANY reason or situation. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe. ------------------------ Life sucks and then you get podded. |
Kweel Nakashyn
shadow and cloaking Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2009.11.09 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards
THERE ARE MORE TITANS THEN BLACK OPS!
Join us, we stealth guys got titans blackops.
:) ~ Beer > Eve ? Eve > Beer ? |
Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.11.09 19:12:00 -
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The number of characters in dreads during the snapshot was lower due to actual wars being waged? They were likely in other ships if they had no POS to shoot at the time.
I wish we could get a count of the ships on active accounts, not just who was in what. -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
Artanato
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Posted - 2009.11.09 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Artanato on 09/11/2009 19:14:27
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG ...This might be a good lesson regarding our real life economies, showing that if we allow markets to adjust without intervention from governments they correct much quicker than when we try to steer prices to the "correct" level - given that the rules of the market are clear and that information flows relatively freely between agents on the market.
Keep the RL politics out of it please!
(The prices that the laws of the market chooses is not always the price that is most fair for the average man, or the society as a whole)
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Dogsarepe
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.09 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Artanato Edited by: Artanato on 09/11/2009 19:14:27
Keep the RL politics out of it please!
(The prices that the laws of the market chooses is not always the price that is most fair for the average man, or the society as a whole)
I don't think there is anything political there at all, really... more about economic systems and approaches. Don't want to get into a debate over idealogy here, but I think what he is suggesting is that it was seen here that if you let people work it out themselves, then economic reactions and adjustments occur quickly and stabilization is obtained, allowing growth to begin again. Where otherwise artificial maneuvering works against the people in the long term by burdening them with false premises and illogical assumptions.
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Scouty McScoutersen
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Posted - 2009.11.09 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Scouty McScoutersen on 09/11/2009 20:28:12
Originally by: Dogsarepe
I don't think there is anything political there at all, really...
wrong. there's a lot of discussion that can be had on that topic and all of it strays into RL politics so probably best kept out of here
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.11.09 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 09/11/2009 20:48:08
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Some interesting data for the "regular player", I guess.
However, for somebody with a decent knowledge of EVE's economy, a bit of spare time following the MD forums, devblogs and to look at in-game market data, the report was... a bit bland, to put it mildly. Seriously, there was pretty much nothing of consequence in there that could be regarded even as somewhat of a surprise, let alone newsworthy, not at the time the QEN appeared. EDIT : ok, ok, my bad, "motherships/dreadnoughts in use" counts might qualify as newsworthy.
Oh well, I suppose that's the point of the QEN, to give everybody a decent overview of what was going on. Carry on the good work then...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.11.09 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba I'm not telling!
Chribba is just pro at market manipulation
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Jellygoop
Caldari Band of Brothermans
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Posted - 2009.11.09 21:03:00 -
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What are those ships on page 3 of the pdf? They sorta look like beefed up versions of the Maulus. |
Pseudo Sasaya
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Posted - 2009.11.09 21:59:00 -
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This still leaves me curious what the false positive rate on the 'unholy rage' was. From what I gathered there was no appeal process nor any ability to view evidence... so it leaves open the question of 'what percent of RMTs were caught' vs 'what percentage of accused RMTs were innocent'.
Since the benefits to CCP for unholy rage were political and economic, but NOT related to necessarily shutting down real traders.. ..it is a question worth asking. In the thread they talked with glee at the economic and sever effects, but those could be just as easily obtained by banning normal high use carebares.
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2009.11.09 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jellygoop What are those ships on page 3 of the pdf? They sorta look like beefed up versions of the Maulus.
I believe they're the new Amarr fighter bombers, used by carriers. __________
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Prodigal
Caldari New Genesis Project
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Posted - 2009.11.09 22:19:00 -
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It was a bit disappointing to not see any more demographic information (if there is any) on how many players populate high, low and null sec.
As a CSM Candidate for the 4th round, these types of statistics are very important in giving us direction as to possibly where efforts should be focused.
Please make these and possibly other demographics standard reports in the QEN!
Cheers,
Prodigal
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.11.10 00:25:00 -
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Thank you very much for all of your hard work.
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rubico1337
Caldari Mnemonic Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.11.10 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Artanato
(The prices that the laws of the market chooses is not always the price that is most fair for the average man, or the society as a whole)
everyone point an laugh at the socialist
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Jellygoop
Caldari Band of Brothermans
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Posted - 2009.11.10 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Flamewave
Originally by: Jellygoop What are those ships on page 3 of the pdf? They sorta look like beefed up versions of the Maulus.
I believe they're the new Amarr fighter bombers, used by carriers.
Very cool. o.O
Originally by: hired goon Holy crap! Now I remember why I was Caldari.
*hired goon humps a Paradise Cruise Missile
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something somethingdark
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Posted - 2009.11.10 02:29:00 -
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Much more information about Sleepers and T2 component market needed
also how about a Flop 10 of ships ?
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Yon Krum
The Knights Templar R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2009.11.10 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dogsarepe
Originally by: Artanato Edited by: Artanato on 09/11/2009 19:14:27
Keep the RL politics out of it please!
(The prices that the laws of the market chooses is not always the price that is most fair for the average man, or the society as a whole)
I don't think there is anything political there at all, really... more about economic systems and approaches. Don't want to get into a debate over idealogy here, but I think what he is suggesting is that it was seen here that if you let people work it out themselves, then economic reactions and adjustments occur quickly and stabilization is obtained, allowing growth to begin again. Where otherwise artificial maneuvering works against the people in the long term by burdening them with false premises and illogical assumptions.
"Most fair" is a matter for opportunity, not outcome. Regulating outcome is impossible and inherently unfair, since people are not, in fact equal (only equal before the law).
In EVE some have more time/talent/contacts to devote to the game, or are simply luckier. Market distortions in the "price the market chooses" are caused either by information asymmetries (eg. I know more than you do about the Moros, so I liquidate before the sale price crashes), functional monopolies (eg. dyspro--for a while, and only theorized to the best of my knowledge), or regulatory interference.
It is this last point that we arrive at cries of "RL politics", because RL politics fall into two main camps of "regulate everything and centrally control the economy in some fashion" and "let the market work itself out". Mixtures of the two tend to create market distortions that ultimately reduce competition. For example, the upcoming Dominion taxes on 0.0 space ownership make moon ownership more critical to early alliance ability to meet bills, effectively raising a government barrier to entry into 0.0 that did not exist before. Whether the new tax (regulation) also causes some smaller 0.0 entities to retire to empire rather than shouldering the payment burden remains to be seen (we call this "going Galt" these days, btw).
Oddly enough the CCP government restructuring of T2 material requirements to break up the Dyspro monopolies/bottleneck is an example of an arguably beneficent use of power in favor of the society as a whole, as it theoretically should result in lower T2 prices. In actuality, however, it will just shift the manufacturing bottleneck into another spot on the supply chain, but that may take some time to work out.
On another note, I'd love to see an analysis by our resident insider economist as to the deflationary effects of Unholy Rage, combined with estimates of the money supply, velocity of circulation, and what he expects to have happen when Dominion comes out and sucks trillions from the money supply each month. Hmm?
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