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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:31:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:apologies I should said Yugoslavia conflict.
Mate I'm from Ireland not America, we spent 800 years under foreign occupation. We are also in the history book as having the longest active terrorist group. A group that in turn butchered and murdered innocent woman and children.
The point I was making was what goons are doing is comparable.
I admit I reacted bad ,so my apologies to you also.It is just really irritating when real life start to mix with something that is game.This whole idea of Goons is game.And we all need (well I am thinking that way) to look about it as just another event in sandbox.But if we start to make statements that are liking this events with real life things,many people can find that as insult.I will never say that people that I defended in your post are angels,but that dont have any with this game .That is place for other forums ,we are all playing this to get far away from those things not spread them even here.
Anyway my apologies to you and rest of folks that read my post ,and ofc CCP for using their forums for that manner.
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Ender's Momma
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:34:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing
100m for 10 exhumers? 25m for 10 barges? Goons are effing cheap. Raise the bounties, you may get more interest.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1322
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:38:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Because I said Holocaust repeatedly in my post, right?
Political climate of 1930's Germany =/= The Holocaust.
The rhetoric in the opening post is eerily similar Adolf's when he got the crowds worked up during rallies.
Deal with it. *sunglasses* I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored. but that's just it. Goons have initiated the final solution against high sec miners. It is no different, yes it is a game but singling out and systematicly eradicating one type of player is no different from what went on in WWII, what the Serbs done or what ****** done to the curds. Eradication of a single type of player is comparable to any genocide that took place in world history.
I like my curds on french fries, covered with gravy. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:49:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The ways they consider an improvement might not be the same you have.
The whole "we want to improve the game, for the greater good for all" is the biggest heap of b.s this side of Texas. If you honestly believe they are sincere I worry for you.
Vile rat wrote:
I like my curds on french fries, covered with gravy.
You know what they have on french fries in Holland?
Mayonnaise!
I've seen them cover it in that **** man! Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:30:00 -
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Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The ways they consider an improvement might not be the same you have. The whole "we want to improve the game, for the greater good for all" is the biggest heap of b.s this side of Texas. If you honestly believe they are sincere I worry for you.
They don't need me or you to believe them. They need to believe themselves.
If you don't agree that they are improving the game in their point of view, feel free to get out and go stop them. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Makos Suti
Genius Bt.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:35:00 -
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have to destroy Goonswarm Federation this is the only solution |
NJDruid
Killer Carebears Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:36:00 -
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Did you know the only mamal that lays eggs is the Duck billed platipus . Yes you did . Did you also know that the male Duck billed platipus has a sting on its hind legs that inject poison that can be quite painful.
I found that quite interesting ..... You learn something new every day .
Back to this bit of information. ................................. Oh the suns out must be time to go and ride the motorbike. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:40:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The ways they consider an improvement might not be the same you have. The whole "we want to improve the game, for the greater good for all" is the biggest heap of b.s this side of Texas. If you honestly believe they are sincere I worry for you. They don't need me or you to believe them. They need to believe themselves. If you don't agree that they are improving the game in their point of view, feel free to get out and go stop them.
They don't need to believe. They need people like men and you to believe and act upon it. They just need to sit and laugh as others go out ganking miners under this premise.
Perhaps smoke a fat one as they do it, twirling their evil mustache whilst wearing a monocle and top hat. And a cape. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Steve BHD
Tramping Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:41:00 -
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.........why? |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
427
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:49:00 -
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More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:51:00 -
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Steve BHD wrote:.........why?
Cause they are proving that null is completely dead. This could have been offered years ago and nothing would have happened cause players had better things to do then waste there time on this.
However now apparently that has changed. I seriously doubt the number of gankers has remained the same.
So it comes down to what were the gankers doing before.
It would be interesting to see how many accounts are actually ganking people, and see how those number has changed over the years.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:53:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
Greifing is against the rules and a bad thing. This thing is neither of those things. Perhaps you should look up the rules on griefing so you don't make yourself look silly in public again. |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
6
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:58:00 -
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Boring day at work, gave me time to spent some time in the Internet. As **** sites are blocked by our system administrators, being the EVE newb I am I decided to catch up a bit about EVE history. I ended up on some sort of "Goon Wiki", obviously run by some Goon-members, not sure if this his history itself or still maintained.
But I had some great read about the "Great War" and the "Second Great War" and about "T20" and whatever.
Having read this anouncement earlier I found one paragraph particularly interesting - particularly interesting because as far as I understand that site this all is written by (ex?) Goon-members:
"The future for GoonSwarm looked bright. Unlimited cash supplies, the best region in the game, and high off the utter defeat of BoB at the hands of the Coalition, who had all finely tuned themselves in order to destroy BoB. After years of work and collaboration, they had achieved their goal. Still, the question remained: how long could a horde of supercapital-capable alliances, all having invested ludicrous amounts of money into their capital fleets and capital production lines, remain friendly to each other or find something to do after the destruction of BoB? Would they turn on themselves? Would BoB return, becoming the pest that never goes away? Time would tell. " (can be found a the bottom here )
Wasn't that what Muzafer Sherifs experiments were about? Common goals reduce tension? |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:05:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote: Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?
Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing.
In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:13:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote: Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?
Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing. In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed.
Actually not true you did it 5 times before. The first Hulkasgeddon could have been considered emergent but this is nothing more then modifying the rules and rewards. The only thing that has changed is that you are now paying people to do it.
Sorry but like most commercials these days. Filled with hype and grand proposals, but in fact it is same old stuff just put in a different package. You would think marketing could come up with something new.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:15:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote: Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?
Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing. In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed. Actually not true you did it 5 times before. The first Hulkasgeddon could have been considered emergent but this is nothing more then modifying the rules and rewards. The only thing that has changed is that you are now paying people to do it. Sorry but like most commercials these days. Filled with hype and grand proposals, but in fact it is same old stuff just put in a different package. You would think marketing could come up with something new.
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase? |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
40
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:26:00 -
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ok this has me slightly curious.
I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.
The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.
This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:32:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you.
Still the truth. Content is being provide by us while you sit here and moan how unfair life is. Get of your arse (in game) and do something to make a difference. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you. Still the truth. Content is being provide by us while you sit here and moan how unfair life is. Get of your arse (in game) and do something to make a difference.
Umm where have I complained that life is unfair ?
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Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
40
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:43:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Aramatheia wrote:ok this has me slightly curious.
I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.
The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.
This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning. Your first mistake was trying to find a rational reason behind the whole thing. You have to think of it in a different perspective. Someone thought it would be fun. Then someone thought it would be even more fun to have other people do it. Some people agree. That is it end of story
haha fair enough, good point lol
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
432
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
Greifing is against the rules and a bad thing. This thing is neither of those things. Perhaps you should look up the rules on griefing so you don't make yourself look silly in public again.
Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man.
Tal
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:46:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:Aramatheia wrote:ok this has me slightly curious.
I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.
The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.
This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning. Your first mistake was trying to find a rational reason behind the whole thing. You have to think of it in a different perspective. Someone thought it would be fun. Then someone thought it would be even more fun to have other people do it. Some people agree. That is it end of story
No. The problem is, people assume that individual actions on our part are distinct and separate. Ice Interdiction, Hulkageddon, Burn Jita, (few other things that aren't public knowledge yet). There is a greater plan, there always has been. It may seem to be conspiracy theory ranting when people ascribe dark evil motives to us. When it comes to our economic actions, it is true.
It is also true that we often seek the most public and dramatic display of game mechanics we can find, that also serve the overall goal. Usually mechanics that allow us to extract the most suffering from the non-goon server population. We even have a term for it.
ISK:EFFORT:SUFFERING ratio. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:47:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Also, you skirted the truth in your actual reply to me and totally missed the boat on other points.
1) This is the first Hulkageddon actually sponsored by the CFC (or really sponsored by anyone except for a handful of independent donors. Financing, automating, and providing rewards to all participants of a specific level of participation is the very ideal of emergent and evolutionary player created content.
2) Again, the scale of the event is unmatched. Hulkageddon 1-4 only could dream of the sort of turnouts and payouts that this one has benefited from.
Frankly, I'm kinda saddened that I took the bait on this. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
Greifing is against the rules and a bad thing. This thing is neither of those things. Perhaps you should look up the rules on griefing so you don't make yourself look silly in public again. Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man. Tal Small men are more accustomed to insulting people who have just proved them wrong and telling them to "go away." |
baltec1
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man.
Tal
It would seem you don't. |
Kali Memine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
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Whatever you goons are smoking, I want some. 25M for 10 exhumers means 2.5M/exhumer ?! lol, you make this money by doing some fast t1 missions, no need to roam around for hours to find a lonely miner.
Mine more moons and come back with a better offer... or stop trolling the forums.
1/10 |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:56:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Also, you skirted the truth in your actual reply to me and totally missed the boat on other points. 1) This is the first Hulkageddon actually sponsored by the CFC (or really sponsored by anyone except for a handful of independent donors. Financing, automating, and providing rewards to all participants of a specific level of participation is the very ideal of emergent and evolutionary player created content. 2) Again, the scale of the event is unmatched. Hulkageddon 1-4 only could dream of the sort of turnouts and payouts that this one has benefited from. Frankly, I'm kinda saddened that I took the bait on this.
So what you are telling me is that you were forced pay the community this time in order to make your projected profit margins after expenses.
Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent.
That is all don't read more into it then I have stated, you all are working yourself into a frenzy for no reason.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:58:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:
So what you are telling me is that you were forced pay the community this time in order to make your projected profit margins after expenses.
Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent.
That is all don't read more into it then I have stated, you all are working yourself into a frenzy for no reason.
It's still making content for people. |
Naga Elohim
Aeras Krekan Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:03:00 -
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I never thought I would say this, but Goonswarm has re-ignighted my interest in eve. I log into the forums more than I do the game. This sounds fun and exciting!
Im gonna give it the ol' college try tonight and see what I can gank. Thank's Goonswarm for adding to my end game...which is tear extraction. |
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