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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:01:00 -
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Greetings friends!
I'm here to tell you about an exciting new phase of the behavior correction program Goonswarm is sponsoring for the benefit of the EVE Community.
We've all grown to loathe the highsec miner - entitled, bleating that he deserves to mine in perfect safety in highsec. Demanding that highsec be made safe, that his hulk be buffed, and anyone who would be so unthinking and savage must be banned from the game. Hulkageddon V was a resounding sucess: cutting highsec mining in half and butchering over one trillion isk worth of ships. Hulkageddon: Infinity has continued this work, tearing those miners who had merely hid in a station for a month before bringing out their completely untanked hulk they wanted to afk in to shreads and causing nearly another trillion isk worth of destruction. This has been a fantastic educational program for the EVE community, and with your help we can make it even better.
Now, as you may have heard, our joint efforts against miners has caused a number of these pigeons of eve to flock to covetors. They reason that, because a covetor contains no technetium, that they will be safe from harm and able to once again mine in the absolute safety they crave. That people ganking them are the small-minded isk per hour cretins they surround themselves with. Secure in the knowledge that it would not be profitable to scourge them, they have taken to mining untanked, unaligned, afk: the very definition of the entitled human bot we have all grown to loathe.
We know that's not the case, and that's why we're proud to announce Hulkageddon Infinity: Jr. League. For every 10 mining barges - covetors, retrievers, and procurers - you gank, you will be reimbursed 25 million isk - more than enough to fit the 10 t1 fit destroyers needed. Now, of course, we'll continue paying you for the exhumers you gank: we would hate to slacken the pace of the exhumer slaughter. But if you find a field of covetors all busily botting away, there's no longer any need to leave them alone while you hunt down an exhumer to kill! Due to their weaker tank, they can be killed with a pure t1 destroyer - no need to fit t2, allowing you to continue your ganking indefinitely on the mining barge bounty. In fact, some mining barges are so lightly tanked that if you're willing to make the sacrifice and go -10, you can pod them with the very same destroyer that killed their ship and bask in the +5s and +5% mining implants they had plugged in. Many of these people believe that people cannot actually be podded in empire: the stern thrashing given by destroying their alpha clone may even prevent them from such activity in the future as they lose skillpoints.
We hope that by extending this behavior correction program to mining barges as well, we will finally reach those poor deluded souls that can be saved from venturing down the path of mining and to dissuade young impressionable eve players from making this terrible choice to begin with. With your help, and your vicious flogging of miners, we can make EVE a better place, where nobody mines peacefully, unaware of the world.
Payouts will be handled in the same way as regular Hulkageddon Infinity bounties: we are upgrading our software as we speak and the Jr. League bounties will begin immediately. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
379
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:02:00 -
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For all you tl;dr nerds: We're paying bounties for T1 mining barges, 25m per ten kills. |
Mira Lynne
State War Academy Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:03:00 -
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Edit: Damn! Support the Return of Realistic Module Icons! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114818&find=unread |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
93
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:04:00 -
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You're paying 15mil more per 10? Time to gank my alt repeatedly. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
217
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:04:00 -
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corestwo wrote:For all you tl;dr nerds: We're paying bounties for T1 mining barges, 25m per ten kills. Let the canbaiting begin. |
Arrgthepirate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:05:00 -
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Holy **** |
Cerebral Wolf
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:05:00 -
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You sir are amazing. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
88
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:05:00 -
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Excellent news! |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:06:00 -
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Yesssssssssssss |
Vincent Athen
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:06:00 -
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The absence of tech 1 mining barges was a glaring omission in the original Hulkageddon bounty system. I'm very glad it's been corrected, so that we may better support the EVE community. |
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
589
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:07:00 -
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This will end well. |
Pyramid Scheme
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:09:00 -
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i can see the tears already
EDIT:
Forum tears |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
424
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:10:00 -
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I saw this coming a mile away...
Cannot say this will end well. |
Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:10:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:This will end well.
No, the "infinity" part means it will never end. |
Dabigredboat
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:12:00 -
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Didn't want that market anyways. ^_^ |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
898
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:15:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Miss Yanumano
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:15:00 -
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Excellent! No miner should be free from the fear of an injection of Sodium Pen-- Void S, or even Cyani-- Republic Fleet EMP S! |
Macky Alcaz
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:15:00 -
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I just wanked and I don't think I have blown such a big load since i lost my virginity.
damn this thread is winsauce.
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Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:16:00 -
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it allways amazes me how many nuet alts this kind of post brings to the forum :) who is your main, and what does he do? |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1432
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:18:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:it allways amazes me how many goon alts this kind of post brings to the forum :)
ftfy
I'll leave you chaps to your like circle jerk
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
383
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:19:00 -
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Mira Lynne wrote:Edit: Damn! How are multiple Exhumer/Barge Kills Handled? Is it 10m/Exhumer and 2.5m/Barge untill you have 10 Kills and then the sum is paid out, or is it separate?
Excellent question! So as to preserve the sanity of our accounting department and allow them to continue to bring these services to the residents of New Eden, the bounty is counted separately for each class of ship. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
616
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:19:00 -
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I support behavioral correction. . |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:20:00 -
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You're welcome for the player created content, New Eden. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
965
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:20:00 -
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kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing eh |
Mira Lynne
State War Academy Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:21:00 -
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I can see Goon Corp chat: >Guys, i just made a thread. Go spam it. >k >k >if you say so >k >ok >k >k >k >alright >k >ok >k >k >ok >k
Support the Return of Realistic Module Icons! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114818&find=unread |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
383
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:23:00 -
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Mira Lynne wrote:I can see Goon Corp chat: >Guys, i just made a thread. Go spam it. >k >k >if you say so >k >ok >k >k >k >alright >k >ok >k >k >ok >k
Corp chat? Please, nothing so...plebeian.Try Jabber broadcasts. |
BiaXia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:25:00 -
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Mira Lynne wrote:I can see Goon Corp chat: >Guys, i just made a thread. Go spam it. >k >k >if you say so >k >ok >k >k >k >alright >k >ok >k >k >ok >k
Haha you think we use something primitive like corp chat
We communicate through mumble, using recordings of farts in different tones
It's truly a higher plane of communication
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3388
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:25:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing Yeah unfortunately it has to be this way so our reimbursers don't go insane. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
898
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:27:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing
The correct way to do it would be to kill everything
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
616
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:29:00 -
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It's like Little League in space!
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Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
189
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:31:00 -
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What about newb ships in starter areas? Shouldn't there be a junior junior grade for those? I mean, a Burst mines nearly as well as a procurer or retriever. Maybe 100,000 isk for 10 of those as well.
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Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:33:00 -
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Mira Lynne wrote:I can see Goon Corp chat: >Guys, i just made a thread. Go spam it. >k >k >if you say so >k >ok >k >k >k >alright >k >ok >k >k >ok >k
Using k is so last year, I mean come on if your going to put up a lame attack at least get with the times. We used Upper K's FFS.. and your missing some other lines like "they goen b M bro!". who is your main, and what does he do? |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:40:00 -
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Mira Lynne wrote:I can see Goon Corp chat: >Guys, i just made a thread. Go spam it. >k >k >if you say so >k >ok >k >k >k >alright >k >ok >k >k >ok >k
Actually, it looks like this:
(11:18:32 PM) directorbot: Hulkageddon Junior League is live: spread the word, no barge is safe! For every 10 tech one barges you kill, you now get 25m - on top of the 100m/10 exhumer bounty.
RT this: https://twitter.com/TheMittani/status/213107065500090368
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Pretty simple, really. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
387
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:40:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:What about newb ships in starter areas? Shouldn't there be a junior junior grade for those? I mean, a Burst mines nearly as well as a procurer or retriever. Maybe 100,000 isk for 10 of those as well.
Hey now buddy, Goonswarn sponsored Emergent Gameplay-« is firmly committed to remaining within game rules as defined by CCP, meaning newbie systems are off limits. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1880
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:43:00 -
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This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Cecil Arongo
Gh0st Hunters
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:54:00 -
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Let the miner tears flow... all while the goons ignore my lowsec systems :) Seriously all, live in lowsec to get away from goons.... they are to risk averse too come play there!
EDIT: Minor Typo |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
390
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Posted - 2012.06.14 03:57:00 -
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Cecil Arongo wrote:Let the miner tears flow... all while the goons ignore my lowsec systems :) Seriously all, live in lowsec to get away from goons.... they are to risk averse too come play there!
EDIT: Minor Typo
0.52% of all mining in Eve occurs in lowsec systems. It's not a matter of risk aversion, it's a matter of concentration of tears. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:07:00 -
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BiaXia wrote:Mira Lynne wrote:I can see Goon Corp chat: >Guys, i just made a thread. Go spam it. >k >k >if you say so >k >ok >k >k >k >alright >k >ok >k >k >ok >k
Haha you think we use something primitive like corp chat We communicate through mumble, using recordings of farts in different tones It's truly a higher plane of communication
Haha, if only. I'm sure its more of whomever is the last to post has to eat the biscuit.
corestwo wrote:Rengerel en Distel wrote:What about newb ships in starter areas? Shouldn't there be a junior junior grade for those? I mean, a Burst mines nearly as well as a procurer or retriever. Maybe 100,000 isk for 10 of those as well.
Hey now buddy, Goonswarn sponsored Emergent Gameplay-« is firmly committed to remaining within game rules as defined by CCP, meaning newbie systems are off limits.
Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality? A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Mira Lynne
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:15:00 -
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Tell me more about this 'flatulence communication' that you goons utilise! On a more serious note: Have you guys considered expanding the Bounties to include Pods? I.E. 50m for a Mining Foreman Mindlink? Support the Return of Realistic Module Icons! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114818&find=unread |
tofucake prime
The Hatchery Team Liquid
49
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:20:00 -
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No bounty for 10 pods with 5% implants? :( |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1027
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:21:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because Haha, that's pretty good ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
392
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:39:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Corestwo wrote:Hey now buddy, Goonswarn sponsored Emergent Gameplay-« is firmly committed to remaining within game rules as defined by CCP, meaning newbie systems are off limits. Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality? You seem bitter. Show me on the map where the goons touched you. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1253
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:42:00 -
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Sigh. I was trying really hard to keep my corp focused on FW and not suiganking ops, but WTF guys. Why must you make my job so much harder. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:42:00 -
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Cecil Arongo wrote:Let the miner tears flow... all while the goons ignore my lowsec systems :) Seriously all, live in lowsec to get away from goons.... they are to risk averse too come play there!
EDIT: Minor Typo so either youre extremely stupid and dont know what a locator agent is or youre trying to get a bunch of goons to whatever system youre in so you and your mates can half heartedly attempt to suprise us
also thanks for the heads up on the typo i knew there was something wrong in there |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
392
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:47:00 -
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Tusen Takk wrote:Cecil Arongo wrote:Let the miner tears flow... all while the goons ignore my lowsec systems :) Seriously all, live in lowsec to get away from goons.... they are to risk averse too come play there!
EDIT: Minor Typo so either youre extremely stupid and dont know what a locator agent is or youre trying to get a bunch of goons to whatever system youre in so you and your mates can half heartedly attempt to suprise us also thanks for the heads up on the typo i knew there was something wrong in there With a -10 sec status I'm betting it's the latter. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1881
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Posted - 2012.06.14 04:47:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:RubyPorto wrote:This is the Gank that Never Ends. It just goes on and on, my friends. Helicity started ganking them, not knowing what it was Now we just keep on ganking forever just because Haha, that's pretty good !
I've been trying out Trollin': The Musical recently. It's fun, and people seem to enjoy it. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1145
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Posted - 2012.06.14 05:08:00 -
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whoop-de-do
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
65
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Posted - 2012.06.14 05:12:00 -
[48] - Quote
Win tittle made me laugh...content is boring imho or it bored me reading/skipping sea of whine forum posts in GD. |
Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 05:13:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Tusen Takk wrote:Cecil Arongo wrote:Let the miner tears flow... all while the goons ignore my lowsec systems :) Seriously all, live in lowsec to get away from goons.... they are to risk averse too come play there!
EDIT: Minor Typo so either youre extremely stupid and dont know what a locator agent is or youre trying to get a bunch of goons to whatever system youre in so you and your mates can half heartedly attempt to suprise us also thanks for the heads up on the typo i knew there was something wrong in there With a -10 sec status I'm betting it's the latter. i would definitely agree |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1030
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Posted - 2012.06.14 05:37:00 -
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Tusen Takk wrote:corestwo wrote:Tusen Takk wrote:so either youre extremely stupid and dont know what a locator agent is or youre trying to get a bunch of goons to whatever system youre in so you and your mates can half heartedly attempt to suprise us
also thanks for the heads up on the typo i knew there was something wrong in there With a -10 sec status I'm betting it's the latter. i would definitely agree So we should go in covops ships and just AFK cloak right? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
24
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:19:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Sigh. I was trying really hard to keep my corp focused on FW and not suiganking ops, but WTF guys. Why must you make my job so much harder.
I was going to go suicide ganking, but then then I realized that would require spending an extended period of time in highsec. |
Dental Floss
Origin. Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:19:00 -
[52] - Quote
So let me ask you this: are you guys satisfied with the amount of tears this statement has generated considering that 90% of the last 3 pages have been various goons posting, "YEAH, WE'RE DOING THIS." |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
190
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:27:00 -
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Keep up the good work! Thanks to you all I get to mine in low sec with better rocks and better prices.
P.S. could you guys do this for haulers/blockade runners getting PI stuff so my alts can make the cash at over 9000? I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:28:00 -
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all miners must die Follow me on twitter |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1291
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:29:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing Yeah unfortunately it has to be this way so our reimbursers don't go insane.
Ironically, your reward works exactly like PvE missioning : L3 and L4 count separately for the storyline mission. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1291
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:32:00 -
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Dental Floss wrote:So let me ask you this: are you guys satisfied with the amount of tears this statement has generated considering that 90% of the last 3 pages have been various goons posting, "YEAH, WE'RE DOING THIS."
Yeah I feel a distinct lack of miners.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
967
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Weaselior wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing Yeah unfortunately it has to be this way so our reimbursers don't go insane. Ironically, your reward works exactly like PvE missioning : L3 and L4 count separately for the storyline mission.
I was going to make a mission offer screen to promote the ~emergent gameplay~ aspect of Hulkageddon but I forgot that I'm awful at Photoshop eh |
Cpt Roghie
13
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:33:00 -
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Dental Floss wrote:So let me ask you this: are you guys satisfied with the amount of tears this statement has generated considering that 90% of the last 3 pages have been various goons posting, "YEAH, WE'RE DOING THIS."
Duh, who wouldn't be? Zzzzzzzz.
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Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
107
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:36:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing Yeah unfortunately it has to be this way so our reimbursers don't go insane. I hope they know their hard work is appreciated. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
312
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:39:00 -
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Weasel wrote,
"We've all grown to loathe the highsec miner - entitled, bleating that he deserves to mine in perfect safety in highsec"
Stopped reading weasel's tiresome childish ranting right here. You want fries with that? |
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Peta Michalek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:45:00 -
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I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1030
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Posted - 2012.06.14 06:58:00 -
[62] - Quote
Peta Michalek wrote:I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it. I.. I don't know....
What are the barges made of besides blueprints and minerals? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Urziel99
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
18
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:01:00 -
[63] - Quote
I kinda figured this would happen eventually. Once highsec miners started getting a clue. (Read: after several 200 million isk + losses)
I guess this means I'll have to do some EFT Warrioring and make 3 more mining battleship fits to complement the Rokh. |
Betrinna Cantis
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:05:00 -
[64] - Quote
Just a question... What about the people that have put a tank on their Hulks? I know I am going to get s#@t about posting with an alt,(refer to sig) but I don't believe the is anything wrong with a person that does a little of everything in this game. My main, for example is a mission runner, part-time miner to plex so I can keep playing, PVP,(some in Hi sec as we were at war), Build the ships gankers like to use and like to roam low sec looking for unsuspecting noobs to teach them the harshness of space. My kill board is not impressive,but I don't care about that much. So the question is, If this is supposed to be an "educational" thing, Why pop the people who have actually learned something? I,or my main, if you will will NEVER be a full time miner,too F"ing boring! It does pay the bills until I can do better things when my skills and training are better. Let the trollin" begin... Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1146
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:14:00 -
[65] - Quote
Betrinna Cantis wrote:Just a question... What about the people that have put a tank on their Hulks? I know I am going to get s#@t about posting with an alt,(refer to sig) but I don't believe the is anything wrong with a person that does a little of everything in this game. My main, for example is a mission runner, part-time miner to plex so I can keep playing, PVP,(some in Hi sec as we were at war), Build the ships gankers like to use and like to roam low sec looking for unsuspecting noobs to teach them the harshness of space. My kill board is not impressive,but I don't care about that much. So the question is, If this is supposed to be an "educational" thing, Why pop the people who have actually learned something? I,or my main, if you will will NEVER be a full time miner,too F"ing boring! It does pay the bills until I can do better things when my skills and training are better. Let the trollin" begin...
This has never been about educating miners or any of that. This is, has been and always will be, about screaming for attention. You seriously thought this was about killing macro miners/bots or bringing 'content' to the game??
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Scott Ryder
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:15:00 -
[66] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Peta Michalek wrote:I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it. I.. I don't know.... What are the barges made of besides blueprints and minerals?
love <3 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1291
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:20:00 -
[67] - Quote
Peta Michalek wrote:I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it.
Economy 101:
- You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium
- Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more.
- You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Betrinna Cantis
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:27:00 -
[68] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Peta Michalek wrote:I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it. Economy 101: - You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium - Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more. - You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again. Until CCP starts to listen to all the whiners and buff the exhumers. Then when the winter expansion for Industry comes out... start all over. Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Vinni Starseeker
MMMMMA
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:29:00 -
[69] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Peta Michalek wrote:I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it. Economy 101: - You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium - Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more. - You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again.
Yea - I was wondering if there was a money angle and figured the same thing.
I used to mine a couple of hours a day - now like a lot of people I just don't mine. I hope all you people enjoy the higher prices for ships/ammo/etc...
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:32:00 -
[70] - Quote
Betrinna Cantis wrote:Just a question... What about the people that have put a tank on their Hulks? I know I am going to get s#@t about posting with an alt,(refer to sig) but I don't believe the is anything wrong with a person that does a little of everything in this game. My main, for example is a mission runner, part-time miner to plex so I can keep playing, PVP,(some in Hi sec as we were at war), Build the ships gankers like to use and like to roam low sec looking for unsuspecting noobs to teach them the harshness of space. My kill board is not impressive,but I don't care about that much. So the question is, If this is supposed to be an "educational" thing, Why pop the people who have actually learned something? I,or my main, if you will will NEVER be a full time miner,too F"ing boring! It does pay the bills until I can do better things when my skills and training are better. Let the trollin" begin... you have to realise that while the afterbirth that is the mittani was on his 30 day ban, fapping away to his hearts content, he got kind of bitter and sore in the wrist.
All that was going through his peanut was "how dare ccp ban me for....need more tissue...encourage people to ....uuughhhh, that was a good one....make some one kill themselves."
Thisis not about emergent game play or stopping botting or afk mining. It's about a small minded man with an over inflated ego and a lot of insecurites. The only way he and goons can payback ccp (for doing the right thing) is to hit them were it hurts... Their bottom line, the miners that are always going to pay on their 3+ accounts.
It will go away just like goons.
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
232
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:33:00 -
[71] - Quote
There is a very disturbingly 1930's Germany-esque vibe in the opening post in this thread. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Betrinna Cantis
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:38:00 -
[72] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:There is a very disturbing 1930's Germany-esque vibe in the opening post in this thread. Agreed Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
232
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Posted - 2012.06.14 07:52:00 -
[73] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:
We've all grown to loathe the highsec miner
Adolf wrote:
We've all grown to loathe the jew
Pretty much that. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Betrinna Cantis
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:00:00 -
[74] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:Weaselior wrote:
We've all grown to loathe the highsec miner
Adolf wrote:
We've all grown to loathe the jew
Pretty much that. The parallels go even deeper than hate rhetoric; try and create a public enemy to rally the sheeple in order to make them support your own agenda. In ******'s case it was world domination, in Goons' case it is making ISK. I tend to agree, Hedge is correct in that it is a temper tantrum also. Mining in Hi sec will never go away'too many people like it and it iS in the ads. And the dictator you are refering to also did not survive as do all that try to do such things. Pushing people around does not work well because history has a way of repeating itself. Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. There is a limit to what is being done here and soon it will be found. Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Aooz
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:07:00 -
[75] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote: EDIT: Really now? H!tler is censored? /facedesk
He's like Lord V*ldemort |
Urziel99
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
18
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:11:00 -
[76] - Quote
I'll just leave this here........
[Rokh, Mining] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Explosive Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II Miner II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Mining Drone II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
This fit has 118k EHP, is cap stable and mines about 1063 m3/min (a standard max yield fitted Hulk yields 1624) [both with no bonuses or implants]*
It will be a pain to manage as the cargo bay is miniscule compared to the Hulk [2106 vs 8000] but it beats getting nothing and a lossmail.
*The above assumes all skills 5 and a clean head. (Your mileage may vary slightly) |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
232
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:14:00 -
[77] - Quote
Aooz wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote: EDIT: Really now? H!tler is censored? /facedesk
He's like Lord V*ldemort
Voldemort
EDIT: Oh I see. A joke, which I didn't get... Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Peta Michalek
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:17:00 -
[78] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Economy 101:
- You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium
- Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more.
- You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again.
"smarten up and switch to T1"? You don't switch back to a Retriever when you can fly a Hulk. The yield difference is insane, it's just not cost effective in any way whatsoever. Contrary to what corpsec likes to preach most miners are not morons and can calculate cost effectiveness much better than people who spend most of their time buying dozens of Rifters to get blown up in.
If someone is flying a Retriever it means (s)he doesn't have either ISK or skills to fly a Hulk, period. So people who are targeted now are mostly new players who chose the mining career. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
232
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:21:00 -
[79] - Quote
Though you are technically correct (the best kind of correct), a dead Hulk has way lower ISK/Hour ratio than an alive Retriever. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1334
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:36:00 -
[80] - Quote
Betrinna Cantis wrote:Just a question... What about the people that have put a tank on their Hulks? I know I am going to get s#@t about posting with an alt,(refer to sig) but I don't believe the is anything wrong with a person that does a little of everything in this game. My main, for example is a mission runner, part-time miner to plex so I can keep playing, PVP,(some in Hi sec as we were at war), Build the ships gankers like to use and like to roam low sec looking for unsuspecting noobs to teach them the harshness of space. My kill board is not impressive,but I don't care about that much. So the question is, If this is supposed to be an "educational" thing, Why pop the people who have actually learned something? I,or my main, if you will will NEVER be a full time miner,too F"ing boring! It does pay the bills until I can do better things when my skills and training are better. Let the trollin" begin... Ganking for GSF payouts only works if your barge can be taken down by a short burst of high DPS. If your ship withstands that, then you'll not be profitable. Logi supported mining ops might not be 100% safe, but they won't be chained for profit.
Sure, someone could alpha you in a Tornado, but it costs them 90mil to do it for a 10mil reward.
As for the OP - the quality is inspirational.
Hopefully that Covetor blob I pegged last week is not wise by the time I get home.
n.b. if you're mining for ISK, you're doing it wrong. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
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Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:36:00 -
[81] - Quote
Can't people just buy 10 procurers (for about 25 mill total), insure them, and then kill 'em with another corp alt to collect insurance and goongoo without any sec loss or other trouble?
I can't find any hulkaggedon rules which prohibit this. Or maybe do it with a trial alt to be super-sekrit?
CBA myself, but still... |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1334
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:41:00 -
[82] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:There is a very disturbing 1930's Germany-esque vibe in the opening post in this thread.
I'm surprised it got to post #71 before we had **** parallels.
Hint: The **** party and ****** are censored because it's utterly offensive to compare PLAYING A GAME to a genocide.
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:45:00 -
[83] - Quote
Compared To ***** - Check Worse Than Stalin - Presumably... Check Jade Constantine Bad Posts - Awwww
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |
Levo Harkonnen
EC Riders
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:46:00 -
[84] - Quote
Combatmining best mining. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:48:00 -
[85] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:There is a very disturbing 1930's Germany-esque vibe in the opening post in this thread. I'm surprised it got to post #71 before we had **** parallels. Hint: The **** party and ****** are censored because it's utterly offensive to compare PLAYING A GAME to a genocide.
Because I said Holocaust repeatedly in my post, right?
Political climate of 1930's Germany =/= The Holocaust.
The rhetoric in the opening post is eerily similar Adolf's when he got the crowds worked up during rallies.
Deal with it. *sunglasses* Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Antwerpse Kerels The Skeleton Crew
16
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
Posting in a BoB thread......
O-T
Who the frak cares. They managed to get a hold of a vital part of T2 production, It's a ligit way of making profit in EVE. |
Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:49:00 -
[87] - Quote
Oh, hey , they already had the incest part halfway covered!
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |
Venri Zod
Order of the Black Dagger Damu'Khonde
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:53:00 -
[88] - Quote
Seig heil mein goonfuhrer! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1334
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Posted - 2012.06.14 08:57:00 -
[89] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:Because I said Holocaust repeatedly in my post, right?
Political climate of 1930's Germany =/= The Holocaust.
The rhetoric in the opening post is eerily similar Adolf's when he got the crowds worked up during rallies.
Deal with it. *sunglasses*
I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored.
- "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:03:00 -
[90] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Because I said Holocaust repeatedly in my post, right?
Political climate of 1930's Germany =/= The Holocaust.
The rhetoric in the opening post is eerily similar Adolf's when he got the crowds worked up during rallies.
Deal with it. *sunglasses* I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored.
You also said "genocide" in order to make my post out to be worse than it was.
Learn2history. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
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Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:04:00 -
[91] - Quote
This thread is going places, like a concentration camp if your will (heh getit?). Keep up the good work.
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:06:00 -
[92] - Quote
Cristl wrote:Can't people just buy 10 procurers (for about 25 mill total), insure them, and then kill 'em with another corp alt to collect insurance and goongoo without any sec loss or other trouble?
I can't find any hulkaggedon rules which prohibit this. Or maybe do it with a trial alt to be super-sekrit?
CBA myself, but still...
Run a scam on the goons say it isn't so.
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EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:08:00 -
[93] - Quote
And they line up like lemmings to blow goons once again. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:09:00 -
[94] - Quote
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Cristl wrote:Can't people just buy 10 procurers (for about 25 mill total), insure them, and then kill 'em with another corp alt to collect insurance and goongoo without any sec loss or other trouble?
I can't find any hulkaggedon rules which prohibit this. Or maybe do it with a trial alt to be super-sekrit?
CBA myself, but still... Run a scam on the goons say it isn't so.
Sorta silly if they don't have a rule that makes ganks within the same corp invalid. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Aemonchichi
Limited Access Guardian Society
19
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:09:00 -
[95] - Quote
and man defines himself by the obstacles he decides to tackle, be the enemies he decides to fight |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:13:00 -
[96] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Because I said Holocaust repeatedly in my post, right?
Political climate of 1930's Germany =/= The Holocaust.
The rhetoric in the opening post is eerily similar Adolf's when he got the crowds worked up during rallies.
Deal with it. *sunglasses* I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored. but that's just it. Goons have initiated the final solution against high sec miners. It is no different, yes it is a game but singling out and systematicly eradicating one type of player is no different from what went on in WWII, what the Serbs done or what ****** done to the curds.
Eradication of a single type of player is comparable to any genocide that took place in world history.
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:16:00 -
[97] - Quote
Except it is virtual and no actual people are being killed. I'd like to go record and say I only stand behind pointing out the similarities in the rhetoric, not the genocide parallels. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:22:00 -
[98] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:Cristl wrote:Can't people just buy 10 procurers (for about 25 mill total), insure them, and then kill 'em with another corp alt to collect insurance and goongoo without any sec loss or other trouble?
I can't find any hulkaggedon rules which prohibit this. Or maybe do it with a trial alt to be super-sekrit?
CBA myself, but still... Run a scam on the goons say it isn't so. Sorta silly if they don't have a rule that makes ganks within the same corp invalid.
I so agree, there is absolutely noway any corp can outsmart the goons! |
Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:23:00 -
[99] - Quote
Posting in a Godwin's thread.
Godwin's Law
Also, this might just get me taking some of these bounties. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:25:00 -
[100] - Quote
Zalifer Esepula wrote:Posting in a Godwin's thread. Godwin's LawAlso, this might just get me taking some of these bounties. Naw, Godwin only applies if there isn't justifiable cause to draw the parallels. I mean, you don't see it brought up on a WW II forum, do you? Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
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Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:28:00 -
[101] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:Zalifer Esepula wrote:Posting in a Godwin's thread. Godwin's LawAlso, this might just get me taking some of these bounties. Naw, Godwin only applies if there isn't justifiable cause to draw the parallels. I mean, you don't see it brought up on a WW II forum, do you?
This was not a thread about ***** and ******. It is now a thread with comparisons to ***** and ******. Godwins thread.
Wikipedia wrote: It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving ***** or ****** approaches 1."[2][3] In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussionGÇöregardless of topic or scopeGÇösomeone inevitably makes some comparison to ****** and the *****. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1334
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:30:00 -
[102] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Because I said Holocaust repeatedly in my post, right?
Political climate of 1930's Germany =/= The Holocaust.
The rhetoric in the opening post is eerily similar Adolf's when he got the crowds worked up during rallies.
Deal with it. *sunglasses* I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored. but that's just it. Goons have initiated the final solution against high sec miners. It is no different, yes it is a game but singling out and systematicly eradicating one type of player is no different from what went on in WWII, what the Serbs done or what ****** done to the curds. Eradication of a single type of player is comparable to any genocide that took place in world history. Wow.
Just .... just go and find some balance in your life, please. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:30:00 -
[103] - Quote
B-but those posts are just idiots attempting to troll me.... Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:35:00 -
[104] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored.
but that's just it. Goons have initiated the final solution against high sec miners. It is no different, yes it is a game but singling out and systematicly eradicating one type of player is no different from what went on in WWII, what the Serbs done or what ****** done to the curds.
Eradication of a single type of player is comparable to any genocide that took place in world history. [/quote]
How dare you speak about Serbs if you dont know **** about it?Seriously just fuk off with that western propaganda crap.Serbs defended their land and got punished for that and you compare that with WWII Germany ?You are such a Idiot.Why you didnt say any about Vietnam ?Or Avganistan ?
It is not enough that that people is made like prime evil so now they need to be bashed in some virtual game also?
I is freaking game you idiot ,so dont mix that with real life and try to think maybe once that what you look on FOX or CNN is not so true.
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Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:38:00 -
[105] - Quote
Probably because neither of the Afghanistan or Vietnam war involved genocide? Just a thought. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:38:00 -
[106] - Quote
Hey folk, let's just drop all the 1930s stuff. You want fries with that? |
Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:40:00 -
[107] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:Probably because neither of the Afghanistan or Vietnam war involved genocide? Just a thought.
O rly ?My Lai was just one example about your statement. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:43:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ana Fox wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Probably because neither of the Afghanistan or Vietnam war involved genocide? Just a thought. O rly ?My Lai was just one example about your statement.
Massacre does not a genocide make. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:43:00 -
[109] - Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history
There, a complete list of crimes perpetrated by the goons.
More talk about bounties, mining and tears please. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1153
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:44:00 -
[110] - Quote
Yeah I'm pretty sure this thread will be locked before I wake up tomorrow morning.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Cyprus Black
Ascension Corporation
223
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:47:00 -
[111] - Quote
I predict that the Goons will force CCPs hand into buffing mining barges and exumers survivability.
After all, forcing highsec players to stop doing what they enjoy in EvE will only drive them out of the game. Not into other areas of space as the Goons falsely believe. You wouldn't complain about needles when you get a tattoo. So why would you complain about PvP when you play EVE? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1293
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:53:00 -
[112] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:I predict that the Goons will force CCPs hand into buffing mining barges and exumers survivability.
After all, forcing highsec players to stop doing what they enjoy in EvE will only drive them out of the game. Not into other areas of space as the Goons falsely believe.
They want to improve the game. They want to use simpletons to do their menial work for the above. They want to abuse other simpletons to play as loud victims. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 09:55:00 -
[113] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2676
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:02:00 -
[114] - Quote
Looking at the posting times of replies right from the start of this thread was comical.
Talk about Meta-Gaming. Was that about 1/2 dozen CFC members with 2 dozen alts?
Anyway,
you guys just Keep Pushing On, all you're really doing is pushing the Ban Hammer Kings to Draw The Line.
DMC
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:11:00 -
[115] - Quote
Ana Fox wrote:Quote:
I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored. but that's just it. Goons have initiated the final solution against high sec miners. It is no different, yes it is a game but singling out and systematicly eradicating one type of player is no different from what went on in WWII, what the Serbs done or what ****** done to the curds.
Eradication of a single type of player is comparable to any genocide that took place in world history.
How dare you speak about Serbs if you dont know **** about it?Seriously just GTFO with that western propaganda crap.Serbs defended their land and got punished for that, and you compare that with WWII Germany ?You are Idiot.Why you didnt say any about Vietnam ?Or Avganistan ? It is not enough that those people are made like prime evil, so now they need to be bashed in some game also? It is freaking game ,so dont mix that with real life and try to think maybe once that what you look on FOX or CNN is not so true. apologies I should said Yugoslavia conflict.
Mate I'm from Ireland not America, we spent 800 years under foreign occupation. We are also in the history book as having the longest active terrorist group. A group that in turn butchered and murdered innocent woman and children.
The point I was making was what goons are doing is comparable.
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1293
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:13:00 -
[116] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
The ways they consider an improvement might not be the same you have. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
235
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:14:00 -
[117] - Quote
Cerebral Wolf wrote:You sir are amazing.
And by amazing you mean arrogant... "Behavioral Correction Initiative".. really... [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1532
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:15:00 -
[118] - Quote
Still waiting for the days of 30 mil isk destroyer hulls.... |
Caucus Prime
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:19:00 -
[119] - Quote
Caucus Prime loves these threads. lol
-Hulkageddon -Burn Jita -Ice Interdiction -Goonswarm
48 Laws of Power in practice.
Brilliant. |
Leemi Sobo
60
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:31:00 -
[120] - Quote
Cyprus Black wrote:I predict that the Goons will force CCPs hand into buffing mining barges and exumers survivability.
That's not needed.
A tanky exumer would have to lose some yield and thats exactly what battleships are already offering. As you can see here. Ofcourse they can't be multiboxed as easy as an exumer because the tiny cargobay has to be managed carefully. That will hurt the human miners, but bots still won't care about it.
If the goons start to pay for kills of mining Battleships too, things start to get interesting.
Leemi
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Ana Fox
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:31:00 -
[121] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:apologies I should said Yugoslavia conflict.
Mate I'm from Ireland not America, we spent 800 years under foreign occupation. We are also in the history book as having the longest active terrorist group. A group that in turn butchered and murdered innocent woman and children.
The point I was making was what goons are doing is comparable.
I admit I reacted bad ,so my apologies to you also.It is just really irritating when real life start to mix with something that is game.This whole idea of Goons is game.And we all need (well I am thinking that way) to look about it as just another event in sandbox.But if we start to make statements that are liking this events with real life things,many people can find that as insult.I will never say that people that I defended in your post are angels,but that dont have any with this game .That is place for other forums ,we are all playing this to get far away from those things not spread them even here.
Anyway my apologies to you and rest of folks that read my post ,and ofc CCP for using their forums for that manner.
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Ender's Momma
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:34:00 -
[122] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:kill 10 exhumers, get 100m
kill 10 barges, get 25m
kill 6 exhumers and 4 barges, get nothing
100m for 10 exhumers? 25m for 10 barges? Goons are effing cheap. Raise the bounties, you may get more interest.
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1322
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:38:00 -
[123] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Because I said Holocaust repeatedly in my post, right?
Political climate of 1930's Germany =/= The Holocaust.
The rhetoric in the opening post is eerily similar Adolf's when he got the crowds worked up during rallies.
Deal with it. *sunglasses* I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored. but that's just it. Goons have initiated the final solution against high sec miners. It is no different, yes it is a game but singling out and systematicly eradicating one type of player is no different from what went on in WWII, what the Serbs done or what ****** done to the curds. Eradication of a single type of player is comparable to any genocide that took place in world history.
I like my curds on french fries, covered with gravy. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 10:49:00 -
[124] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The ways they consider an improvement might not be the same you have.
The whole "we want to improve the game, for the greater good for all" is the biggest heap of b.s this side of Texas. If you honestly believe they are sincere I worry for you.
Vile rat wrote:
I like my curds on french fries, covered with gravy.
You know what they have on french fries in Holland?
Mayonnaise!
I've seen them cover it in that **** man! Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1293
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:30:00 -
[125] - Quote
Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The ways they consider an improvement might not be the same you have. The whole "we want to improve the game, for the greater good for all" is the biggest heap of b.s this side of Texas. If you honestly believe they are sincere I worry for you.
They don't need me or you to believe them. They need to believe themselves.
If you don't agree that they are improving the game in their point of view, feel free to get out and go stop them. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Makos Suti
Genius Bt.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:35:00 -
[126] - Quote
have to destroy Goonswarm Federation this is the only solution |
NJDruid
Killer Carebears Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:36:00 -
[127] - Quote
Did you know the only mamal that lays eggs is the Duck billed platipus . Yes you did . Did you also know that the male Duck billed platipus has a sting on its hind legs that inject poison that can be quite painful.
I found that quite interesting ..... You learn something new every day .
Back to this bit of information. ................................. Oh the suns out must be time to go and ride the motorbike. |
Tor Gungnir
Agenda Industries
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:40:00 -
[128] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Tor Gungnir wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They want to improve the game.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic. The ways they consider an improvement might not be the same you have. The whole "we want to improve the game, for the greater good for all" is the biggest heap of b.s this side of Texas. If you honestly believe they are sincere I worry for you. They don't need me or you to believe them. They need to believe themselves. If you don't agree that they are improving the game in their point of view, feel free to get out and go stop them.
They don't need to believe. They need people like men and you to believe and act upon it. They just need to sit and laugh as others go out ganking miners under this premise.
Perhaps smoke a fat one as they do it, twirling their evil mustache whilst wearing a monocle and top hat. And a cape. Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you. |
Steve BHD
Tramping Inc.
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:41:00 -
[129] - Quote
.........why? |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
427
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:49:00 -
[130] - Quote
More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:51:00 -
[131] - Quote
Steve BHD wrote:.........why?
Cause they are proving that null is completely dead. This could have been offered years ago and nothing would have happened cause players had better things to do then waste there time on this.
However now apparently that has changed. I seriously doubt the number of gankers has remained the same.
So it comes down to what were the gankers doing before.
It would be interesting to see how many accounts are actually ganking people, and see how those number has changed over the years.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:53:00 -
[132] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
Greifing is against the rules and a bad thing. This thing is neither of those things. Perhaps you should look up the rules on griefing so you don't make yourself look silly in public again. |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
6
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Posted - 2012.06.14 11:58:00 -
[133] - Quote
Boring day at work, gave me time to spent some time in the Internet. As **** sites are blocked by our system administrators, being the EVE newb I am I decided to catch up a bit about EVE history. I ended up on some sort of "Goon Wiki", obviously run by some Goon-members, not sure if this his history itself or still maintained.
But I had some great read about the "Great War" and the "Second Great War" and about "T20" and whatever.
Having read this anouncement earlier I found one paragraph particularly interesting - particularly interesting because as far as I understand that site this all is written by (ex?) Goon-members:
"The future for GoonSwarm looked bright. Unlimited cash supplies, the best region in the game, and high off the utter defeat of BoB at the hands of the Coalition, who had all finely tuned themselves in order to destroy BoB. After years of work and collaboration, they had achieved their goal. Still, the question remained: how long could a horde of supercapital-capable alliances, all having invested ludicrous amounts of money into their capital fleets and capital production lines, remain friendly to each other or find something to do after the destruction of BoB? Would they turn on themselves? Would BoB return, becoming the pest that never goes away? Time would tell. " (can be found a the bottom here )
Wasn't that what Muzafer Sherifs experiments were about? Common goals reduce tension? |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:05:00 -
[134] - Quote
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote: Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?
Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing.
In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 12:13:00 -
[135] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote: Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?
Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing. In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed.
Actually not true you did it 5 times before. The first Hulkasgeddon could have been considered emergent but this is nothing more then modifying the rules and rewards. The only thing that has changed is that you are now paying people to do it.
Sorry but like most commercials these days. Filled with hype and grand proposals, but in fact it is same old stuff just put in a different package. You would think marketing could come up with something new.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1437
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:15:00 -
[136] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote: Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?
Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing. In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed. Actually not true you did it 5 times before. The first Hulkasgeddon could have been considered emergent but this is nothing more then modifying the rules and rewards. The only thing that has changed is that you are now paying people to do it. Sorry but like most commercials these days. Filled with hype and grand proposals, but in fact it is same old stuff just put in a different package. You would think marketing could come up with something new.
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase? |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
40
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:26:00 -
[137] - Quote
ok this has me slightly curious.
I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.
The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.
This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 12:29:00 -
[138] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:32:00 -
[139] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you.
Still the truth. Content is being provide by us while you sit here and moan how unfair life is. Get of your arse (in game) and do something to make a difference. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
371
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:35:00 -
[140] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you. Still the truth. Content is being provide by us while you sit here and moan how unfair life is. Get of your arse (in game) and do something to make a difference.
Umm where have I complained that life is unfair ?
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
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Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
40
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:43:00 -
[141] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:Aramatheia wrote:ok this has me slightly curious.
I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.
The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.
This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning. Your first mistake was trying to find a rational reason behind the whole thing. You have to think of it in a different perspective. Someone thought it would be fun. Then someone thought it would be even more fun to have other people do it. Some people agree. That is it end of story
haha fair enough, good point lol
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
432
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:46:00 -
[142] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
Greifing is against the rules and a bad thing. This thing is neither of those things. Perhaps you should look up the rules on griefing so you don't make yourself look silly in public again.
Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man.
Tal
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Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:46:00 -
[143] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:Aramatheia wrote:ok this has me slightly curious.
I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.
The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.
This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning. Your first mistake was trying to find a rational reason behind the whole thing. You have to think of it in a different perspective. Someone thought it would be fun. Then someone thought it would be even more fun to have other people do it. Some people agree. That is it end of story
No. The problem is, people assume that individual actions on our part are distinct and separate. Ice Interdiction, Hulkageddon, Burn Jita, (few other things that aren't public knowledge yet). There is a greater plan, there always has been. It may seem to be conspiracy theory ranting when people ascribe dark evil motives to us. When it comes to our economic actions, it is true.
It is also true that we often seek the most public and dramatic display of game mechanics we can find, that also serve the overall goal. Usually mechanics that allow us to extract the most suffering from the non-goon server population. We even have a term for it.
ISK:EFFORT:SUFFERING ratio. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:47:00 -
[144] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Also, you skirted the truth in your actual reply to me and totally missed the boat on other points.
1) This is the first Hulkageddon actually sponsored by the CFC (or really sponsored by anyone except for a handful of independent donors. Financing, automating, and providing rewards to all participants of a specific level of participation is the very ideal of emergent and evolutionary player created content.
2) Again, the scale of the event is unmatched. Hulkageddon 1-4 only could dream of the sort of turnouts and payouts that this one has benefited from.
Frankly, I'm kinda saddened that I took the bait on this. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
[145] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:More greifing for the bored toons.
Tal
Greifing is against the rules and a bad thing. This thing is neither of those things. Perhaps you should look up the rules on griefing so you don't make yourself look silly in public again. Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man. Tal Small men are more accustomed to insulting people who have just proved them wrong and telling them to "go away." |
baltec1
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
[146] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man.
Tal
It would seem you don't. |
Kali Memine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:49:00 -
[147] - Quote
Whatever you goons are smoking, I want some. 25M for 10 exhumers means 2.5M/exhumer ?! lol, you make this money by doing some fast t1 missions, no need to roam around for hours to find a lonely miner.
Mine more moons and come back with a better offer... or stop trolling the forums.
1/10 |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:56:00 -
[148] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Also, you skirted the truth in your actual reply to me and totally missed the boat on other points. 1) This is the first Hulkageddon actually sponsored by the CFC (or really sponsored by anyone except for a handful of independent donors. Financing, automating, and providing rewards to all participants of a specific level of participation is the very ideal of emergent and evolutionary player created content. 2) Again, the scale of the event is unmatched. Hulkageddon 1-4 only could dream of the sort of turnouts and payouts that this one has benefited from. Frankly, I'm kinda saddened that I took the bait on this.
So what you are telling me is that you were forced pay the community this time in order to make your projected profit margins after expenses.
Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent.
That is all don't read more into it then I have stated, you all are working yourself into a frenzy for no reason.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
baltec1
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.14 12:58:00 -
[149] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:
So what you are telling me is that you were forced pay the community this time in order to make your projected profit margins after expenses.
Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent.
That is all don't read more into it then I have stated, you all are working yourself into a frenzy for no reason.
It's still making content for people. |
Naga Elohim
Aeras Krekan Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:03:00 -
[150] - Quote
I never thought I would say this, but Goonswarm has re-ignighted my interest in eve. I log into the forums more than I do the game. This sounds fun and exciting!
Im gonna give it the ol' college try tonight and see what I can gank. Thank's Goonswarm for adding to my end game...which is tear extraction. |
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
372
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:10:00 -
[151] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Simetraz wrote:
So what you are telling me is that you were forced pay the community this time in order to make your projected profit margins after expenses.
Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent.
That is all don't read more into it then I have stated, you all are working yourself into a frenzy for no reason.
It's still making content for people.
Nothing more then any corporation or alliance leader does by setting goals. And definitely not the largest action taken on by the EVE community either. It is just another player event going on in the sand box. And like everything else going on right now in EVE. It effects some and for others they don't even know it is going on. It is just the way it goes.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:12:00 -
[152] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Simetraz wrote:baltec1 wrote:
What have you done to provide a large amount of content to the EVE playerbase?
Really ???, this is a terrible come back even for you. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Also, you skirted the truth in your actual reply to me and totally missed the boat on other points. 1) This is the first Hulkageddon actually sponsored by the CFC (or really sponsored by anyone except for a handful of independent donors. Financing, automating, and providing rewards to all participants of a specific level of participation is the very ideal of emergent and evolutionary player created content. 2) Again, the scale of the event is unmatched. Hulkageddon 1-4 only could dream of the sort of turnouts and payouts that this one has benefited from. Frankly, I'm kinda saddened that I took the bait on this. So what you are telling me is that you were forced pay the community this time in order to make your projected profit margins after expenses. Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent. That is all don't read more into it then I have stated, you all are working yourself into a frenzy for no reason. Again, you keep using words you don't understand. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emergent?s=t
Also, this is the biggest frenzy I think I've ever worked myself into while casually typing words on the Internet since my vacation started. I'm all aflutter. |
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
35
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:14:00 -
[153] - Quote
I've figured it out. Goons and CCP have teamed up to prevent AFK miners from making enough ISK to plex their accounts each month.
Not enough isk from afk mining to plex all 10 of your accounts? I guess it's time to buy plex, subscribe, or cancel those bot accounts. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:15:00 -
[154] - Quote
Aryth wrote:It is also true that we often seek the most public and dramatic display of game mechanics we can find.
Like making sure the Server Population Graph visibly makes evident a sharp plunge to the minimum possible population for server up-time viability.
9,000 sounds about right for that. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
baltec1
1440
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:16:00 -
[155] - Quote
Andoria Thara wrote:I've figured it out. Goons and CCP have teamed up to prevent AFK miners from making enough ISK to plex their accounts each month.
Not enough isk from afk mining to plex all 10 of your accounts? I guess it's time to buy plex, subscribe, or cancel those bot accounts.
Before this day is over we will also be credited with the changes CCP are going to make to barges. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
345
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:17:00 -
[156] - Quote
Andoria Thara wrote:I've figured it out. Goons and CCP have teamed up to prevent AFK miners from making enough ISK to plex their accounts each month.
Not enough isk from afk mining to plex all 10 of your accounts? I guess it's time to buy plex, subscribe, or cancel those bot accounts.
Why, absolutely every single person out there mining really isn't. You are so absolutely utterly correct. Want some ice cream ?
It's sososososo tooo tooo tooo true.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1885
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:17:00 -
[157] - Quote
Kali Memine wrote:Whatever you goons are smoking, I want some. 25M for 10 exhumers means 2.5M/exhumer ?! lol, you make this money by doing some fast t1 missions, no need to roam around for hours to find a lonely miner.
Mine more moons and come back with a better offer... or stop trolling the forums.
1/10
It's per Mining Barge. Exhumers are worth 10m. Besides that, not everything is about Isk/hr. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3412
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:26:00 -
[158] - Quote
Kali Memine wrote:Whatever you goons are smoking, I want some. 25M for 10 exhumers means 2.5M/exhumer ?! lol, you make this money by doing some fast t1 missions, no need to roam around for hours to find a lonely miner.
Mine more moons and come back with a better offer... or stop trolling the forums.
1/10 As mentioned, this offer is not for people interested in isk per hour. This offer is to support those who play EVE in its best form, so they do not need to think about isk per hour. Regrettably we cannot increase the payouts or we risk people attempting to defraud the system, or we would happily do so. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:28:00 -
[159] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Andoria Thara wrote:I've figured it out. Goons and CCP have teamed up to prevent AFK miners from making enough ISK to plex their accounts each month.
Not enough isk from afk mining to plex all 10 of your accounts? I guess it's time to buy plex, subscribe, or cancel those bot accounts. Before this day is over we will also be credited with the changes CCP are going to make to barges. It took about 5 posts in the thread actually. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
233
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:29:00 -
[160] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Aryth wrote:It is also true that we often seek the most public and dramatic display of game mechanics we can find. Like making sure the Server Population Graph visibly makes evident a sharp plunge to the minimum possible population for server up-time viability. 9,000 sounds about right for that. You're pretty bad at reading graphs (among other things) huh? |
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Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:40:00 -
[161] - Quote
I for one think comparing highsec miners to Jews in 1930s Germany is more accurate than not. Long scorned, but filling an important role in the economy (mining in Eve, moneylending in Europe) until some demagogue whips up popular sentiment against them. Their lives are made increasingly untenable until eventually, some eager adherents of the Leader decide to follow his ideas to their inevitable conclusion. Mass slaughter ensues.
There are just two problems with this theory. First, miners are not a race. Ganking a newbie miner isn't a hate crime; it's guidance counselling. Second, even if miners were utterly incapable of being anything other than miners, committing genocide against them is a perfectly legitimate gameplay tactic.
Suffer, nerds. |
NJDruid
Killer Carebears Inc.
2
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:40:00 -
[162] - Quote
Every miner just use a megathron or similar for a couple months . The whole thing will become very boreing for the suicide gankers and they will go back to playing their game I guess.
Another interesting fact I found on the interweb today was that one gram of king cobra venom can kill 50 people . |
Aldous Borrn
Cartographical Society of Gentleman Adventurers
15
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:46:00 -
[163] - Quote
Ana Fox wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:apologies I should said Yugoslavia conflict.
Mate I'm from Ireland not America, we spent 800 years under foreign occupation. We are also in the history book as having the longest active terrorist group. A group that in turn butchered and murdered innocent woman and children.
The point I was making was what goons are doing is comparable.
I admit I reacted bad ,so my apologies to you also.It is just really irritating when real life start to mix with something that is game.This whole idea of Goons is game.And we all need (well I am thinking that way) to look about it as just another event in sandbox.But if we start to make statements that are liking this events with real life things,many people can find that as insult.I will never say that people that I defended in your post are angels,but that dont have any with this game .That is place for other forums ,we are all playing this to get far away from those things not spread them even here. Anyway my apologies to you and rest of folks that read my post ,and ofc CCP for using their forums for that manner.
First, by no means am I saying these things are the same.
It is, obviously, true that this is a game. But behind the monitors are people. People that when presented with a scenario come up with scarily similar means of solving it as people in the real world. Yes, its only pixels being popped here, but the psychological tools and mob mentality are the same because in both areas its people. Well, except for all the bots.
Whether the goons are motivated by greed, arrogance, rage, or boredom is irrelevant (the cynical part of me feels they do it to pacify the horde so they won't start tearing each other apart). |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
345
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:47:00 -
[164] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: You're pretty bad at reading graphs (among other things) huh?
It's hilarious when people openly doubt and question their own words. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1885
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 13:49:00 -
[165] - Quote
Devilish Ledoux wrote: There are just two problems with this theory. First, miners are not a race. Ganking a newbie miner isn't a hate crime; it's guidance counselling. Second, even if miners were utterly incapable of being anything other than miners, committing genocide against them is a perfectly legitimate gameplay tactic.
Suffer, nerds.
This. EvE is not a nice place. People will be mean to you. That's intended.
"EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." --CCP Wrangler This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
804
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:49:00 -
[166] - Quote
Things are going well, i just hope CCP won't spoil them. EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
353
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 14:52:00 -
[167] - Quote
Wonderful. More Goon ego at work, making sure we all know about Goonswarm and their need to play at fake hatred to get more attention. OP probably achieved a rare erection after this post. |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
40
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 15:17:00 -
[168] - Quote
guidance counselling for what though? How to tank a covetor properly? thats not possible, you cant they cant even fit a dcu i have shield skills at maximum and i still only have 5000 hp in one. T1 barges mine for less than a hulk, so they should since they are easier to train into and cost alot less. You get what you paid for, weak hull, lower yield.
Its pretty much understood theres a dislike for mining, i accept that but waging war on accounts possibly as young as 2 weeks now simply because they elected to partake in a different part of the game? Hulkageddon is good, but i dont see bargageddon going quite so well when 2 week old noobs in rookie chat start finding thier retrievers going over and over, that isnt "counselling"
Completely off topic question though. How do i check what a ship has fitted, what mod do i need? and doing such an act doesnt cause aggro or anything right? |
Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 15:25:00 -
[169] - Quote
thank you GSF and corestwo
by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3417
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 15:45:00 -
[170] - Quote
Temple Priest wrote:thank you GSF and corestwo by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone Well, you should be able to take down covetors while you skill up. It'll give you some good practice. |
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Temple Priest
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 15:48:00 -
[171] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Temple Priest wrote:thank you GSF and corestwo by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone Well, you should be able to take down covetors while you skill up. It'll give you some good practice. but i want it NOW |
Area Charante
Robotic Industries
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:01:00 -
[172] - Quote
Oh goonies i love you. <3
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72890 |
Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
318
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:10:00 -
[173] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Quote: I said **** parallels then told you why the words were censored.
but that's just it. Goons have initiated the final solution against high sec miners. It is no different, yes it is a game but singling out and systematicly eradicating one type of player is no different from what went on in WWII, what the Serbs done or what ****** done to the curds. Eradication of a single type of player is comparable to any genocide that took place in world history.
BWAHAHAHAHA, best troll post of the season, 10/10, especially for "curds". |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
629
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:11:00 -
[174] - Quote
That pretty much debunks the hundreds of myths perpetuated furiously about a GSF-CCP connection.
Time to put away your tinfoil hats guys. . |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
41
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:19:00 -
[175] - Quote
if only mining involved more than locking up as many rocks as you have beams (or your ships limit), activating your beams, and watching the ore flow in.
I'd love a good thread for brainstorming ideas to make it interactive, less bot friendly, and perhaps make it more interesting too for ppl who wish to oppose/kill mining ops. I mean surely a 7 second barge bash cant be all that exhilarating, even if the killer is anti miner |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
146
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:22:00 -
[176] - Quote
tl;dr
*yawn*
Posting, yet again, in a Goonie thread in GD. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3423
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote: I'd love a good thread for brainstorming ideas to make it interactive, less bot friendly, and perhaps make it more interesting too for ppl who wish to oppose/kill mining ops. I mean surely a 7 second barge bash cant be all that exhilarating, even if the killer is anti miner
It is, it really really is. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
25
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:23:00 -
[178] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:guidance counselling for what though? How to tank a covetor you shouldn't have to tank one or a hulk. It's a mining ship.
Do you think BP or Shell half fill their ship just incase they sink, no they brim the sh!te out of them and get the oil to market a fast as possible.
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3424
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:26:00 -
[179] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Aramatheia wrote:guidance counselling for what though? How to tank a covetor you shouldn't have to tank one or a hulk. It's a mining ship. Do you think BP or Shell half fill their ship just incase they sink, no they brim the sh!te out of them and get the oil to market a fast as possible. they do when they pass somalia! |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
146
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:27:00 -
[180] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:I mean surely a 7 second barge bash cant be all that exhilarating, even if the killer is anti miner
People with ADD and "other issues" living in mommy's basement need quick fixes for their attention illnesses. This comes with ganking in EveO. |
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Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
78
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:28:00 -
[181] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:you shouldn't have to tank one or a hulk. It's a mining ship.
Found your problem for you. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State War Academy Caldari State
25
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:31:00 -
[182] - Quote
Danks wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:you shouldn't have to tank one or a hulk. It's a mining ship.
Found your problem for you. and what would that be ??
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
baltec1
1441
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:33:00 -
[183] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Danks wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:you shouldn't have to tank one or a hulk. It's a mining ship.
Found your problem for you. and what would that be ??
Self entitalment. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
346
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:34:00 -
[184] - Quote
Mining ships should indeed come 'pre-armored' to the 9's.
Go out and whack a RL ore extractor with your fist and then tell me that is not armor. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Tallon Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:41:00 -
[185] - Quote
We only hurt you because we love you so. |
baltec1
1441
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:45:00 -
[186] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Mining ships should indeed come 'pre-armored' to the 9's.
Go out and whack a RL ore extractor with your fist and then tell me that is not armor.
Now hit it with several tank shells. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
106
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:47:00 -
[187] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Mining ships should indeed come 'pre-armored' to the 9's.
Go out and whack a RL ore extractor with your fist and then tell me that is not armor.
But see, you can't equate a gank catalyst with a guy trying to punch things unless you scale the target down as well. In this case, ganking a hulk would be equivalent to a guy punching a wet paper bag. Not an ore extractor. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
78
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 16:58:00 -
[188] - Quote
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Danks wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:you shouldn't have to tank one or a hulk. It's a mining ship.
Found your problem for you. and what would that be ??
Thinking you don't have to tank your mining vessel cuz, ya know, it's a mining vessel. Clearly a tank is in order. Don't bother thanking me, I'm happy to help. |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
41
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 17:07:00 -
[189] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Aramatheia wrote:guidance counselling for what though? How to tank a covetor you shouldn't have to tank one or a hulk. It's a mining ship. Do you think BP or Shell half fill their ship just incase they sink, no they brim the sh!te out of them and get the oil to market a fast as possible. they do when they pass somalia!
i wish i had a russian warship with me when i was mining.. they waste no time with pirates lol |
Te'bral
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 17:22:00 -
[190] - Quote
Anyone know where I can buy a cheap Botting program from?
I am tired of just sitting there and mining. thanks |
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Haulie Berry
207
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Posted - 2012.06.14 17:23:00 -
[191] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Mining ships should indeed come 'pre-armored' to the 9's.
Go out and whack a RL ore extractor with your fist and then tell me that is not armor.
Why a fist?
Why not, e.g., a couple of rounds from even the smallest of military/naval vessels? |
servellious
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 18:02:00 -
[192] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:if only mining involved more than locking up as many rocks as you have beams (or your ships limit), activating your beams, and watching the ore flow in.
I'd love a good thread for brainstorming ideas to make it interactive, less bot friendly, and perhaps make it more interesting too for ppl who wish to oppose/kill mining ops. I mean surely a 7 second barge bash cant be all that exhilarating, even if the killer is anti miner
You know thats a good question. I honestly cant come up with a good way to make mining fun. I suspect thats why it hasnt changed over the years at all. Maybe if you could blow up asteroids and collect the debris from within by just picking it up? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1030
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 18:08:00 -
[193] - Quote
servellious wrote: Maybe if you could blow up asteroids and collect the debris from within by just picking it up? Like shooting red plus signs and looting the wrecks, then?
Except it's "mining" rocks, and looting the "can" Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mia MuuMaa
Unfinished Sympathy Unconscious State
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 19:14:00 -
[194] - Quote
So let me get this right....
all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......
right? |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
140
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:21:00 -
[195] - Quote
Interesting.
The question becomes this: While yes, a T1 destroyer can nuke a mining barge solo...and the bounties paid by the swarm will more than make up for the cost of lost dessies... one must factor in time. You get the same 15 minute global criminal timer for nuking a retriever as you do a hulk, as well as the same security status hit. While it might be worth the time and effort for a dedicated ganker to keep an orca in tow and use it to launch ships for them (so they don't need to worry about ratting to restore security status) when hunting exhumers for a 100 mil payday... is it worth it for a 25 mil payday for hunting barges?
Still, this should keep mineral prices nice and high until CCP's revamp of mining ship roles, tanks and attributes hit. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
633
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 19:29:00 -
[196] - Quote
Pinstar Colton wrote:Interesting.
The question becomes this: While yes, a T1 destroyer can nuke a mining barge solo...and the bounties paid by the swarm will more than make up for the cost of lost dessies... one must factor in time. You get the same 15 minute global criminal timer for nuking a retriever as you do a hulk, as well as the same security status hit. While it might be worth the time and effort for a dedicated ganker to keep an orca in tow and use it to launch ships for them (so they don't need to worry about ratting to restore security status) when hunting exhumers for a 100 mil payday... is it worth it for a 25 mil payday for hunting barges?
Still, this should keep mineral prices nice and high until CCP's revamp of mining ship roles, tanks and attributes hit.
For most folks it's not about the money. . |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
726
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:32:00 -
[197] - Quote
Time to skill up those orca alts. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
254
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 19:42:00 -
[198] - Quote
This is getting boring.
Just when we thought GD was done with this nonsense, someone just has to post another one of these damn threads. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3431
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 19:44:00 -
[199] - Quote
Mia MuuMaa wrote:So let me get this right....
all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......
right? a highsec miner mining in a system without concord and without local
yeah that sounds about right |
Generals4
880
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 19:53:00 -
[200] - Quote
I guess this is a good plan to increase the profitability of Goon carebearing deep in sov 0.0 ? -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.14 19:59:00 -
[201] - Quote
Why not make it more interesting and pay out rewards for ganking Goons? |
Mia MuuMaa
Unfinished Sympathy Unconscious State
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 20:00:00 -
[202] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Mia MuuMaa wrote:So let me get this right....
all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......
right? a highsec miner mining in a system without concord and without local yeah that sounds about right
Lol to me it just seems more like a loss of time and just a raising of the strongest win always. but well u rule so we just go with the wind. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:28:00 -
[203] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Why not make it more interesting and pay out rewards for ganking Goons?
Shooting blues for free is a time honoured tradition. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
MiserySignals
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.14 20:42:00 -
[204] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Due to their weaker tank, they can be killed with a pure t1 destroyer - no need to fit t2, allowing you to continue your ganking indefinitely on the mining barge bounty. In fact, some mining barges are so lightly tanked that if you're willing to make the sacrifice and go -10, you can pod them with the very same destroyer that killed their ship and bask in the +5s and +5% mining implants they had plugged in. Many of these people believe that people cannot actually be podded in empire: the stern thrashing given by destroying their alpha clone may even prevent them from such activity in the future as they lose skillpoints. Honestly once you're going for t1 mining ships its not a question of "what do I need to kill it" as "how many can I kill at once". My record is 4, but there were only 4 in the belt. In any case this has the potential to be more profitable than ganking exhumers since you can earn a payout every 2-3 GCCs. |
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Liberty Trident L I B E R T Y
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:28:00 -
[205] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Hulkageddon V was a resounding sucess
No it wasn't and it still isn't. By Alex's own admission you bought a trillion in minerals. The prices have gone down since burn jita and still aren't going back up, leaving you holding truckloads of overpriced minerals. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3434
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 21:29:00 -
[206] - Quote
MiserySignals wrote:Weaselior wrote:Due to their weaker tank, they can be killed with a pure t1 destroyer - no need to fit t2, allowing you to continue your ganking indefinitely on the mining barge bounty. In fact, some mining barges are so lightly tanked that if you're willing to make the sacrifice and go -10, you can pod them with the very same destroyer that killed their ship and bask in the +5s and +5% mining implants they had plugged in. Many of these people believe that people cannot actually be podded in empire: the stern thrashing given by destroying their alpha clone may even prevent them from such activity in the future as they lose skillpoints. Honestly once you're going for t1 mining ships its not a question of "what do I need to kill it" as "how many can I kill at once". My record is 4, but there were only 4 in the belt. In any case this has the potential to be more profitable than ganking exhumers since you can earn a payout every 2-3 GCCs. Holy crap, that's going into the first post. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
107
|
Posted - 2012.06.14 21:30:00 -
[207] - Quote
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Weaselior wrote:Hulkageddon V was a resounding sucess No it wasn't and it still isn't. By Alex's own admission you bought a trillion in minerals. The prices have gone down since burn jita and still aren't going back up, leaving you holding truckloads of overpriced minerals.
And yet in terms of number of hulks killed and total value of the kills it is a resounding success. Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Mira Lynne
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:32:00 -
[208] - Quote
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Weaselior wrote:Hulkageddon V was a resounding sucess No it wasn't and it still isn't. By Alex's own admission you bought a trillion in minerals. The prices have gone down since burn jita and still aren't going back up, leaving you holding truckloads of overpriced minerals.
Yes it was, it just happens that it wasnt a sucess for you. Sounds to me like goonwallets are nice and fat now. Support the Return of Realistic Module Icons! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114818&find=unread |
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Liberty Trident L I B E R T Y
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:39:00 -
[209] - Quote
All I have to say is...
The Mittani wrote: You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything
Zing! |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1889
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:49:00 -
[210] - Quote
MiserySignals wrote:Weaselior wrote:Due to their weaker tank, they can be killed with a pure t1 destroyer - no need to fit t2, allowing you to continue your ganking indefinitely on the mining barge bounty. In fact, some mining barges are so lightly tanked that if you're willing to make the sacrifice and go -10, you can pod them with the very same destroyer that killed their ship and bask in the +5s and +5% mining implants they had plugged in. Many of these people believe that people cannot actually be podded in empire: the stern thrashing given by destroying their alpha clone may even prevent them from such activity in the future as they lose skillpoints. Honestly once you're going for t1 mining ships its not a question of "what do I need to kill it" as "how many can I kill at once". My record is 4, but there were only 4 in the belt. In any case this has the potential to be more profitable than ganking exhumers since you can earn a payout every 2-3 GCCs.
Holy crap. 4 and two pods!. You were busy. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
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Amarrius Ibn Pontificus
Liberty Trident L I B E R T Y
7
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:53:00 -
[211] - Quote
Mia MuuMaa wrote:So let me get this right....
all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......
right?
Only after the mining barge hunt fails as well, new bounties are put on mining battleships and any vessels found mining, that and also fails to drive mineral prices back up. And they're on a deadline now that CCP announced exhumer changes for the winter. Should be fun to watch tho. |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
54
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Posted - 2012.06.14 21:54:00 -
[212] - Quote
LOL. 25 million? You guys running out of money or something? Not even worth the effort. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1889
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:06:00 -
[213] - Quote
Shea Valerien wrote:LOL. 25 million? You guys running out of money or something? Not even worth the effort.
Thought your Covetor was safe, didn't you? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Tusen Takk
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:48:00 -
[214] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: So we should go in covops ships and just AFK cloak right?
what else would we do?
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Dental Floss wrote:So let me ask you this: are you guys satisfied with the amount of tears this statement has generated considering that 90% of the last 3 pages have been various goons posting, "YEAH, WE'RE DOING THIS." Yeah I feel a distinct lack of miners. miners only come to the forums to cry, they havent started to properly cry yet |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3438
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:51:00 -
[215] - Quote
Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Mia MuuMaa wrote:So let me get this right....
all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......
right? Only after the mining barge hunt fails as well, new bounties are put on mining battleships and any vessels found mining, that and also fails to drive mineral prices back up. And they're on a deadline now that CCP announced exhumer changes for the winter. Should be fun to watch tho. lowends have skyrocketed: it's highends that are slumping, but you can't mine highends in empire so if we had 1t in minerals but were losing money it would have to be highends
sorry but your allegations don't even make any sense |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
113
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Posted - 2012.06.14 22:53:00 -
[216] - Quote
MiserySignals wrote:Honestly once you're going for t1 mining ships its not a question of "what do I need to kill it" so much as "how many can I kill at once". My record is 4, but there were only 4 in the belt. In any case this has the potential to be more profitable than ganking exhumers since you can earn a payout every 2-3 GCCs. Evil, but impressive. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4035
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:01:00 -
[217] - Quote
MiserySignals wrote:Weaselior wrote:Due to their weaker tank, they can be killed with a pure t1 destroyer - no need to fit t2, allowing you to continue your ganking indefinitely on the mining barge bounty. In fact, some mining barges are so lightly tanked that if you're willing to make the sacrifice and go -10, you can pod them with the very same destroyer that killed their ship and bask in the +5s and +5% mining implants they had plugged in. Many of these people believe that people cannot actually be podded in empire: the stern thrashing given by destroying their alpha clone may even prevent them from such activity in the future as they lose skillpoints. Honestly once you're going for t1 mining ships its not a question of "what do I need to kill it" so much as "how many can I kill at once". My record is 4, but there were only 4 in the belt. In any case this has the potential to be more profitable than ganking exhumers since you can earn a payout every 2-3 GCCs.
But cxvbfgsx and dgfdgfdsg and cxvbfgsx were only in Retrievers man. How can you live with yourself after spoiling the experience of these starry-eyed, naive, hopeful young bot-scripts?
You monster! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:24:00 -
[218] - Quote
Shea Valerien wrote:LOL. 25 million? You guys running out of money or something? Not even worth the effort.
We tried sticking a cork in this spigot that keeps spewing technitium but the cork blew out and took some poor newbie's head off. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1032
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:26:00 -
[219] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:But cxvbfgsx and dgfdgfdsg and cxvbfgsx were only in Retrievers man. How can you live with yourself after spoiling the experience of these starry-eyed, naive, hopeful young bot-scripts?
You monster! If they were bots, I hope you reported them to the appropriate authorities. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:27:00 -
[220] - Quote
servellious wrote: You know thats a good question. I honestly cant come up with a good way to make mining fun. I suspect thats why it hasnt changed over the years at all. Maybe if you could blow up asteroids and collect the debris from within by just picking it up?
Utilize a system similar to planetary interaction's planetary view to scan an asteroid and see where the goodies are. Then deploy mining charges around seams of ore in a manner similar to scan probing. How many you can deploy and the area they effect determined by skill points and ship. Then press the big red button. Tractor beams to scoop up the goodies. Difficult for bots to abuse and explosions to entertain the drooling masses. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1032
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Posted - 2012.06.14 23:32:00 -
[221] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Shea Valerien wrote:LOL. 25 million? You guys running out of money or something? Not even worth the effort. We tried sticking a cork in this spigot that keeps spewing technitium but the cork blew out and took some poor newbie's head off. He had gotten the medbay orientation and remembered to keep his clone updated, right?
:ohdear: Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Henchmen 21
POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
0
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:31:00 -
[222] - Quote
A few thoughts....
So we now ridiculously high priced basic minerals and thus anything made from them. Meanwhile there is an organized attack on players likely under 2-3 months old. This is going to result in a universe where a new players have to either spend a fortune in real money or spend their first few months saving for a cruiser.
So why would anyone even bother to stay with this game if starting from scratch? I'm sure I am not the only one who doesn't find grinding for isk as a leisure activity. It was everything I could do with that isk that was fun. People may have played EVE back when it started and everything was super expensive but there are many many more options for people to spend their free time on now. I don't mine and couldn't care less about ganking hulks but no new players is going to lead to a very stagnant universe. Careful what you wish for you might just get it.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3441
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:34:00 -
[223] - Quote
Henchmen 21 wrote:. It was everything I could do with that isk that was fun.
I agree! That's why I suggest you spend your time having fun by ganking miners. Goonswarm foots the bill, so you don't need to! |
Henchmen 21
POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
1
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:49:00 -
[224] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Henchmen 21 wrote:. It was everything I could do with that isk that was fun.
I agree! That's why I suggest you spend your time having fun by ganking miners. Goonswarm foots the bill, so you don't need to!
To each his own but I always pull the the little guy and the underdog. If RL left me with any real enthusiasm to log in I'd be more likely to RR a miner then gank him. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 00:55:00 -
[225] - Quote
Mira Lynne wrote:I can see Goon Corp chat: >Guys, i just made a thread. Go spam it. >k >k >if you say so >k >ok >k >k >k >alright >k >ok >k >k >ok >k
No one types in corp chat. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Betrinna Cantis
5
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:03:00 -
[226] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:Steve BHD wrote:.........why? Cause they are proving that null is completely dead. This could have been offered years ago and nothing would have happened cause players had better things to do then waste there time on this. However now apparently that has changed. I seriously doubt the number of gankers has remained the same. So it comes down to what were the gankers doing before. It would be interesting to see how many accounts are actually ganking people, and see how those numbers have changed over the years. The people that are ganking have carebear alts. Tell me that is not true.... Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1891
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:12:00 -
[227] - Quote
Betrinna Cantis wrote:The people that are ganking have carebear alts. Tell me that is not true....
It's not true.
(You didn't ask for proof, nor honesty) This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
BILLY TH3 KID
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:20:00 -
[228] - Quote
" New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience. Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP. Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge. Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up. "
Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
727
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:22:00 -
[229] - Quote
BILLY TH3 KID wrote:" New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience. Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP. Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge. Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up. "
Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Aaah, lest you forget!
Your ISK/hr will be far lower than a max mining yield hulk.
You will never make the switch. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Betrinna Cantis
5
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:26:00 -
[230] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:ok this has me slightly curious.
I understood hulkageddon, it made sense, hulks are supposed to be tough and flying them with paper tank purely to max yield was begging for trouble. People who flew them in such a manner had hell coming on them. Tanking up a hulk and taking steps which would reduce max yield but enhance survivability - ie forward thinking and preparedness were usefull things for people to take on board.
The issue is what sort of "Behavioral Correction Initiative" is there by killing the standard barges? They cant fit tank, they dont have the cpu or powergrid to tank up (yes i know this by attempting to fit a simple dcu onto my covetor) and as mentioned theyre easily killable solo in a ship that could come up to barely 1.5m isk. Not to mention that if a player took the industrial path they can easily be flying a retriever before they leave rookie chat (trust me, i was). So in theory players barely a few weeks old are now targeted as well.
This appears like nothing to do with making people realise they need to fly for survivability instead of iskability. I would like to get the general idea on the concept/reasoning. +1
Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1891
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:28:00 -
[231] - Quote
BILLY TH3 KID wrote:" New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience. Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP. Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge. Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up. "
Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Your ISK per hour will be on par with mining in a battleship. So nothing will change. You hear of many mining Rokh ganks? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
634
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:29:00 -
[232] - Quote
But but but I thought CCP and goons were BFF's for life? Why would CCP buff mining barges? . |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1185
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:29:00 -
[233] - Quote
Henchmen 21 wrote:A few thoughts....
So we now ridiculously high priced basic minerals and thus anything made from them. Meanwhile there is an organized attack on players likely under 2-3 months old. This is going to result in a universe where a new players have to either spend a fortune in real money or spend their first few months saving for a cruiser.
So why would anyone even bother to stay with this game if starting from scratch? I'm sure I am not the only one who doesn't find grinding for isk as a leisure activity. It was everything I could do with that isk that was fun. People may have played EVE back when it started and everything was super expensive but there are many many more options for people to spend their free time on now. I don't mine and couldn't care less about ganking hulks but no new players is going to lead to a very stagnant universe. Careful what you wish for you might just get it.
Cascade Imminent is offering "mining passes" with upgraded systems, guaranteed buy orders and logistics for competitive rates fyi, contact me for details. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:35:00 -
[234] - Quote
Dear friends, I have decided I don't want to gank stuff myself so I am going to pay you a welfare wage to do it for me.
Form a line to the left for Tier 1 Welfare cheques. Form a line to the right for Tier 2 welfare cheques.
Thank you for being a tool |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:38:00 -
[235] - Quote
This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .
This entire thread is created for attention anyway |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1891
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:39:00 -
[236] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .
This entire thread is created for attention anyway
You're dead clever, you. Nobody's yet made that claim. It's a revelation from on high. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:45:00 -
[237] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .
This entire thread is created for attention anyway
Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:46:00 -
[238] - Quote
Simetraz wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote: Still waiting on that emergent gameplay. Or did you guys think emergent meant rehashed, lacking creativity or originality?
Except for the whole "has never been done this way or on this scale ever" thing. In other news, shooting missiles/turrets at spaceships is unoriginal and rehashed. Actually not true you did it 5 times before. The first Hulkasgeddon could have been considered emergent but this is nothing more then modifying the rules and rewards. The only thing that has changed is that you are now paying people to do it. Sorry but like most commercials these days. Filled with hype and grand proposals, but in fact it is same old stuff just put in a different package. You would think marketing could come up with something new.
Yes, you're right. Goons truly are on the losing side of this. Sure, we profit massively off of it, but it isn't brand new.
We'll leave in shame now. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
449
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:47:00 -
[239] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .
This entire thread is created for attention anyway Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss.
CCP Screegs thinks he doing a good job swatting the bots... you say otherwise? |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:49:00 -
[240] - Quote
BILLY TH3 KID wrote: Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Of course with only one Strip Miner the yield from this ship will be so low that the people we're already blowing up won't bother flying them. The prudent miners are already using battleships or remaining in their Hulks and utilizing the arcane and ancient technique of, "Not Being Tabbed out of the Game While Mining." |
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InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:50:00 -
[241] - Quote
Simetraz wrote: Still not emergent though, I did agree that the first Hulkagedden was emergent, but lets face it number 5 might be the biggest success story but it is no longer emergent.
It doesn't necessarily have to be brand new to be emergent, you know. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:50:00 -
[242] - Quote
AFK Hauler wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .
This entire thread is created for attention anyway Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss. CCP Screegs thinks he doing a good job swatting the bots... you say otherwise?
Screegs is doing a fantastic job. But there will always be more bots. Until players stop buying ISK with real currency and until CCP makes PvE and Mining actually interesting, there will always be folks finding ways to automate this game.
Turning mining into fun and engaging gameplay would probably be a "killer feature". Someday... |
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:51:00 -
[243] - Quote
*Points at sig* All I hear is goons this and goons that, it's like you people are the villiagers from goons village. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:53:00 -
[244] - Quote
Linna Excel wrote:*Points at sig*
Unfortunately the rest of the player base isn't doing a very good job at generating content. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:53:00 -
[245] - Quote
Ban Bindy wrote:Wonderful. More Goon ego at work, making sure we all know about Goonswarm and their need to play at fake hatred to get more attention. OP probably achieved a rare erection after this post.
And you replied, so I guess it's working. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:55:00 -
[246] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Wonderful. More Goon ego at work, making sure we all know about Goonswarm and their need to play at fake hatred to get more attention. OP probably achieved a rare erection after this post. And you replied, so I guess it's working.
We are the puppet masters. Dance puppets! Dance! |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 01:56:00 -
[247] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .
This entire thread is created for attention anyway Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss. Eve will not only survive, but culling the folks that go out of their way to find ways to run Eve while not actually tabbed into the game; will cause the game to flourish more than it already is. Greater conflict will bring greater interest.
Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ? .. Soo much for Sandbox . Can i get any source for saying that most mining barges are bots. Some legitimate source ? People buy mining barges to get money they can prolly use later for pvp or something else. You don't tell people how to play . Attacking a hulk is ok, coz a hulk can tank. Attacking a mining barge is down right pathetic... Coz mining barges are completely helpless ...
EVE will die if these kind of actions are taken. most new players do end up mining for money using frigs and later mining barges while they get their skills upgraded.. ganking something which is completely helpless is nothing but disgusting, down right disgusting..
You want greater conflict, fight something which actually shoots back at you .... stop talking about greater conflict while ganking Mining barges with your alt.. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:00:00 -
[248] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote: Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?
You've misread my post. I said that the vast majority of people we are destroying do not actually play the game. They automate it. Most of them will never spend their money on ships to PvP; the very thought of getting into a fight with an actual human being terrifies them. The only motivation most of them have is to sell their ISK for US Dollars. Those that don't are simply motivated by seeing their wallet increase and buying better modules and ships to make their wallet increase more.
I'm not dictating how people play the game, I want them to actually play it!
And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1033
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:00:00 -
[249] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:Mia MuuMaa wrote:So let me get this right....
all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......
right? No, because that would involved actually adapting to the conditions in the game and using a knowledge of game mechanics to overcome problems. They'll just continue to whine to CCP to take care of their in-game challenges for them. Heh, well... yeah I don't think they would go WHing.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:03:00 -
[250] - Quote
Wormholes are full of people who are already highly experienced at adapting to changing game mechanics and conditions and used to dealing with odd situations. Empire miners would be wheat before the thresher to wormhole inhabitants. Of course they would never go into one in the first place, I don't think there's any botting software that can probe out a wormhole. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
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InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:05:00 -
[251] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Amarrius Ibn Pontificus wrote:Mia MuuMaa wrote:So let me get this right....
all the miners will just be moving to WHs and that is going to be the end of it......
right? Only after the mining barge hunt fails as well, new bounties are put on mining battleships and any vessels found mining, that and also fails to drive mineral prices back up. And they're on a deadline now that CCP announced exhumer changes for the winter. Should be fun to watch tho. lowends have skyrocketed: it's highends that are slumping, but you can't mine highends in empire so if we had 1t in minerals but were losing money it would have to be highends sorry but your allegations don't even make any sense
They're not trying to make sense. Pubbies have the desperate need to manufacture victory for themselves where there is none.
"Oh you silly goons, you only made 80% profit this time around, and while you control a large chunk of the mineral market, I'm assuming you can't sell any of it. Oh, you goons are just too cute :smug:"
They can't really attack our effectiveness, so instead, they go after how Hulkageddon isn't a new idea anymore, or how miners don't really care what we're doing, or how (they blindly assume) we aren't profiting as much this time around. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:07:00 -
[252] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?
And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me.
How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor...
Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this
if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego .. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:09:00 -
[253] - Quote
Henchmen 21 wrote:A few thoughts....
So we now ridiculously high priced basic minerals and thus anything made from them. Meanwhile there is an organized attack on players likely under 2-3 months old. This is going to result in a universe where a new players have to either spend a fortune in real money or spend their first few months saving for a cruiser.
So why would anyone even bother to stay with this game if starting from scratch? I'm sure I am not the only one who doesn't find grinding for isk as a leisure activity. It was everything I could do with that isk that was fun. People may have played EVE back when it started and everything was super expensive but there are many many more options for people to spend their free time on now. I don't mine and couldn't care less about ganking hulks but no new players is going to lead to a very stagnant universe. Careful what you wish for you might just get it.
We do this crazy **** in goonspace sometimes where we all mine in hulks, but we have intel guys watching for gankers. Sometimes we even have battleships guarding us while we mine, just in case.
So I guess mining in numbers with an appropriate guard might be a good idea? I know it's hard to get everyone with a common goal together to pull this off, though. Maybe CCP should look into some kind of corporation system in which everyone works together to accomplish a given goal?
BILLY TH3 KID wrote:" New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience. Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP. Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge. Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up. "
Eat That S#!T Goondouches! you can bring a fleet of these "cheap" dessys all day long and they'll go POP! before you get shields to 50%.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
There it is again, manufacturing a victory where there is none. This change hasn't even happened yet, and you are already gloating like you actually did something. It's not like you even overcame us, you just begged CCP to do it for you, and even then, we're going to find a way around it. Unlike pubbies, we actually play the game and are capable of adapting to challenges standing in the path of our goals. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:12:00 -
[254] - Quote
[/quote]
We do this crazy **** in goonspace sometimes where we all mine in hulks, but we have intel guys watching for gankers. Sometimes we even have battleships guarding us while we mine, just in case.
So I guess mining in numbers with an appropriate guard might be a good idea? I know it's hard to get everyone with a common goal together to pull this off, though. Maybe CCP should look into some kind of corporation system in which everyone works together to accomplish a given goal?[/quote]
I actually support something of this sort . But in high sec, where concord shoots u for attacking a ganker preemptively. it wont work to well , unless high sec combat mechanics changes... |
Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
114
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:14:00 -
[255] - Quote
If I were going to mine in high sec in an expensive ship, I'd go to one of the numerous .6 or .5 systems with no one in them. The other day I did missions for two hours in a .5 system and all of three people were in Local. Whenever someone new came in, I'd look at their info in the security status. I didn't encounter anyone with a negative score. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
579
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:17:00 -
[256] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?
And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me. How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor... Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego ..
I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards.
To date I have not managed to gank a single mining battleship or cruiser. If you are having difficulties in having your barge blown up, perhaps you should try one of those. Any T1 Battleship capable of fitting seven or more miners pulls in nearly the same yield as a Covetor. Ospreys and Scythes are nearly free while still sucking down ridiculous quantities of ore. It really isn't my fault that you're taking no measure to protect yourself. Mindless whining, contrary to what you might think, doesn't actually protect your barge.
And look at those two posts above mine that have all sorts of great ideas in them as well. But don't let those tips get in the way of your bitching. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:19:00 -
[257] - Quote
Quote: Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ? .. Soo much for Sandbox . Can i get any source for saying that most mining barges are bots. Some legitimate source ? People buy mining barges to get money they can prolly use later for pvp or something else. You don't tell people how to play . Attacking a hulk is ok, coz a hulk can tank. Attacking a mining barge is down right pathetic... Coz mining barges are completely helpless ...
Why is the sandbox concept so hard for everyone to get here?
We can play the game however we like. If that means we want to stomp over to your corner of the sandbox and **** in it, we can do that. It's up to you to stop us if you don't like it. You're just as free to **** in our corner as well. The Sandbox concept does not stipulate anywhere that we are obligated to allow you to do whatever you want.
If you want to mine AFK, find a way to make it work, but we are not in any way obligated to just let you do it if we don't want to.
Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:We do this crazy **** in goonspace sometimes where we all mine in hulks, but we have intel guys watching for gankers. Sometimes we even have battleships guarding us while we mine, just in case.
So I guess mining in numbers with an appropriate guard might be a good idea? I know it's hard to get everyone with a common goal together to pull this off, though. Maybe CCP should look into some kind of corporation system in which everyone works together to accomplish a given goal? I actually support something of this sort . But in high sec, where concord shoots u for attacking a ganker preemptively. it wont work to well , unless high sec combat mechanics changes...
So then don't mine in high-sec. That is where we gank. You know that is where we gank, and you know you can't shoot first. Go somewhere you can. Set up a corp, get a POS, get intel that is worth a damn, get guards and mine in hulks afk all you like.
Seriously, why are you pubbies so damned afraid to just play the game. I'm sorry you can't mine veldspar in hisec, but you know that's dangerous, so stop doing it. Adapt. Eve is all about adaptation, so play the game. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:25:00 -
[258] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?
And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me. How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor... Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego .. I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards. To date I have not managed to gank a single mining battleship or cruiser. If you are having difficulties in having your barge blown up, perhaps you should try one of those. Any T1 Battleship capable of fitting seven or more miners pulls in nearly the same yield as a Covetor. Ospreys and Scythes are nearly free while still sucking down ridiculous quantities of ore. It really isn't my fault that you're taking no measure to protect yourself. Mindless whining, contrary to what you might think, doesn't actually protect your barge. And look at those two posts above mine that have all sorts of great ideas in them as well. But don't let those tips get in the way of your bitching.
For once, i have never been ganked..
Battleships are 3-4 times costlier than any new player can actually afford. You could get a retriever for as low as 6-7 mill and fix it up by 12-15 mill max. Can i really say the same for a battleship. Fixing battleship with miners with barely any cargo space available only makes things a lot more harder for something which is lot more costlier for any new player .. some lee way should be given to new players. am all for killing bots . But in a game world like eve . New players must be given time and energy to learn the game and understand the game without them being punished so much from experienced players who know ins and outs of the game .
Quote:Why is the sandbox concept so hard for everyone to get here?
We can play the game however we like. If that means we want to stomp over to your corner of the sandbox and **** in it, we can do that. It's up to you to stop us if you don't like it. You're just as free to **** in our corner as well. The Sandbox concept does not stipulate anywhere that we are obligated to allow you to do whatever you want.
If you want to mine AFK, find a way to make it work, but we are not in any way obligated to just let you do it if we don't want to.
This is nothing more than selective reading,trolling and flame baiting. If you actually tried to read my posts you would not have replied like this and if you did read the posts you simply ignoring the points i have made and going GA GA over all the Eevil minerz who muzt be destroooyed |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:29:00 -
[259] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote: Battleships are 3-4 times costlier than any new player can actually afford. You could get a retriever for as low as 6-7 mill and fix it up by 12-15 mill max. Can i really say the same for a battleship. Fixing battleship with miners with barely any cargo space available only makes things a lot more harder for something which is lot more costlier for any new player .. some lee way should be given to new players. am all for killing bots . But in a game world like eve . New players must be given time and energy to learn the game and understand the game without them being punished so much from experienced players who know ins and outs of the game .
If only there were so way for new players to join more experienced players and benefit from their experience and resources. Some sort of group that could cooperate with each other to accomplish goals that might normally be out of their reach... You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:34:00 -
[260] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:This is nothing more than selective reading,trolling and flame baiting. If you actually tried to read my posts you would not have replied like this and if you did read the posts you simply ignoring the points have made and going GA GA over all the Eevil minerz who muzt be destroooyed
I have no problem with miners. I mine.
You just don't like that you can't mine afk in empire and that new players get swept up in it. So form a corp that accepts both vets and newbies and teaches them the game while protecting them. You know, like goonswarm does. Hell, we even give out free ships and isk just to get them up to speed that much faster. I was ratting anomalies just last night with two newbies in their cute little Noctis' hoovering up the dozens of wrecks left behind.
Work together with new players, help them, protect them. This is so easy to do in a corporation. Don't mine in hisec, just get a low or nullsec corp and mine there. With decent intel and protection, its a lot safer, and you get high end ore.
Just, do SOMETHING to try and fix the problem you're having. Don't whine to CCP for meta-game assistance, do what we do and actually play the game. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
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Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:34:00 -
[261] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: Battleships are 3-4 times costlier than any new player can actually afford. You could get a retriever for as low as 6-7 mill and fix it up by 12-15 mill max. Can i really say the same for a battleship. Fixing battleship with miners with barely any cargo space available only makes things a lot more harder for something which is lot more costlier for any new player .. some lee way should be given to new players. am all for killing bots . But in a game world like eve . New players must be given time and energy to learn the game and understand the game without them being punished so much from experienced players who know ins and outs of the game .
If only there were so way for new players to join more experienced players and benefit from their experience and resources. Some sort of group that could cooperate with each other to accomplish goals that might normally be out of their reach...
there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other. I remember playing a game called freelancer where pvp was allowed everywhere after one reached lvl20..
The gameworld and its players automatically ended up having pirates/police players/mercenary escorts for miners and haulers. YOu would actually see a merc faction escort a hauler from one place to another. Hauler would give them 30 - 50 % of their profits . Mercs are happy , Miners would have constant police protection. Put pirates had a hard life but when they succeeded it made them rich. Am hopijg one day ill see EVE like that...
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Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:36:00 -
[262] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:This is nothing more than selective reading,trolling and flame baiting. If you actually tried to read my posts you would not have replied like this and if you did read the posts you simply ignoring the points have made and going GA GA over all the Eevil minerz who muzt be destroooyed I have no problem with miners. I mine. You just don't like that you can't mine afk in empire and that new players get swept up in it. So form a corp that accepts both vets and newbies and teaches them the game while protecting them. You know, like goonswarm does. Hell, we even give out free ships and isk just to get them up to speed that much faster. I was ratting anomalies just last night with two newbies in their cute little Noctis' hoovering up the dozens of wrecks left behind. Work together with new players, help them, protect them. This is so easy to do in a corporation. Don't mine in hisec, just get a low or nullsec corp and mine there. With decent intel and protection, its a lot safer, and you get high end ore. Just, do SOMETHING to try and fix the problem you're having. Don't whine to CCP for meta-game assistance, do what we do and actually play the game.
For f**k sake read my posts before replying .....am not gonna repeat one thing 1000 times
Where the f**k do you see me support afk mining ? Quote me |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:38:00 -
[263] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote: there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.
Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!" You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:39:00 -
[264] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote: there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other. I remember playing a game called freelancer where pvp was allowed everywhere after one reached lvl20..
Entirely untrue, form a corporation. Most of GW is newbies. Most of the big corps in nullsec and lowsec accept newbies.
Quote: The gameworld and its players automatically ended up having pirates/police players/mercenary escorts for miners and haulers. YOu would actually see a merc faction escort a hauler from one place to another. Hauler would give them 30 - 50 % of their profits . Mercs are happy , Miners would have constant police protection. Put pirates had a hard life but when they succeeded it made them rich. Am hopijg one day ill see EVE like that...
So form a god damned corporation that does that. God, you are so ******* dense. That is exactly what the corporation system in Eve was intended for. Make a police corp, make a merc corp, make any kind of corp that offers protection for miners. You're allowed to do that.
DO IT. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:40:00 -
[265] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:If only there were so way for new players to join more experienced players and benefit from their experience and resources. Some sort of group that could cooperate with each other to accomplish goals that might normally be out of their reach...
there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other. [/quote]
Both Goonswarm Federation and Test Alliance Please Ignore would like to have a word with you.
We're both heavily invested in making newbees lives far easier and in fact have programs to incentivize being a newbee in our alliances. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1033
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:41:00 -
[266] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.
Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!" The cute newbees reporting people in intel because they haven't fixed their overview to not freak out at people with -10 sec status...
The best one was this 2-day old one who got on, was authed and everything and told us "hey everyone here in highsec is freaking out because of me" Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:42:00 -
[267] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.
Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!"
IF CCP made like 20 systems as rookie system where people learn and the rest as PVP systems. things would automatically work out fine. the biggest problem is concord... |
Betrinna Cantis
5
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:43:00 -
[268] - Quote
Andoria Thara wrote:I've figured it out. Goons and CCP have teamed up to prevent AFK miners from making enough ISK to plex their accounts each month.
Not enough isk from afk mining to plex all 10 of your accounts? I guess it's time to buy plex, subscribe, or cancel those bot accounts. I can agree with this to a point. If there wasn't a way to pay for accounts ingame, some people would only have 1 toon. Your statement is stupid and you should look at the bigger picture. Some of thos PLEX accounts actually pay with real money too. Bot should die, I agree with that. RMT is the problem there, not people trying to make a life in New Eden.
Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
|
Posted - 2012.06.15 02:44:00 -
[269] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote: So form a god damned corporation that does that. God, you are so ******* dense. That is exactly what the corporation system in Eve was intended for. Make a police corp, make a merc corp, make any kind of corp that offers protection for miners. You're allowed to do that.
DO IT.
"Welcome to Joringer Inc. Here's your complimentary Osprey for joining our growing community of miners. Be sure to fit the Shield Extender you've been provided with. If you do not have the skill needed to use a Shield Extender please take one from the corporate hanger. Be sure to insure your complimentary Osprey in the event that the evil Goonswarm attempt to blow it up. Our communal mining operations are every Saturday and Sunday evening at 20:00 Eve Time!" You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:46:00 -
[270] - Quote
Quote: "Welcome to Joringer Inc. Here's your complimentary Osprey for joining our growing community of miners. Be sure to fit the Shield Extender you've been provided with. If you do not have the skill needed to use a Shield Extender please take one from the corporate hanger. Be sure to insure your complimentary Osprey in the event that the evil Goonswarm attempt to blow it up. Our communal mining operations are every Saturday and Sunday evening at 20:00 Eve Time!"
when all else fails...make it personal . this seems to be a trend with goonswarm folks around here ..
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1033
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:47:00 -
[271] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote: So form a god damned corporation that does that. God, you are so ******* dense. That is exactly what the corporation system in Eve was intended for. Make a police corp, make a merc corp, make any kind of corp that offers protection for miners. You're allowed to do that.
DO IT.
"Welcome to Joringer Inc. Here's your complimentary Osprey for joining our growing community of miners. Be sure to fit the Shield Extender you've been provided with. If you do not have the skill needed to use a Shield Extender please take one from the corporate hanger. Be sure to insure your complimentary Osprey in the event that the evil Goonswarm attempt to blow it up. Our communal mining operations are every Saturday and Sunday evening at 20:00 Eve Time!" No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:50:00 -
[272] - Quote
Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes?
still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges ..
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Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
42
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:50:00 -
[273] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:This nonsense of ganking Mining Barges is gonna kill eve until CCP brings in some modifications. Killing mining barges of 2-3 month old players is only gonna make you loose players .
This entire thread is created for attention anyway Given that the vast majority of miners aren't actually players the only loss will be a small amount of revenue. I'm sure CCP is willing to take a small hit to their subscription income if it means a reduction in bots. And even those miners that are real humans don't actually play Eve while mining anyway. I'm not going to shed a tear over their loss. Eve will not only survive, but culling the folks that go out of their way to find ways to run Eve while not actually tabbed into the game; will cause the game to flourish more than it already is. Greater conflict will bring greater interest.
I have never seen you sitting next to me watching me chat in game as i mine, please tell me how you have this information? if you have secretly installed cameras in my house i WILL call authorities... lol
Also i see players and bots lumped into the same paragraph, barely 5 words between them. I am not a bot and i get pretty tired of the forum accusations that i bot because of the skillset i have currently been using/training. If mining was an exploit, something that needed to be "fixed" it wouldnt be in the game at all. Waging war on noobs in retrievers now is just silly beyond words. Not to mention the shift to covetors is quite possibly the human players trying to isolate themselves from the botters by flying something different to the bots therefore escaping the unreasonable claims that they too are bots. Bots wont mysteriously reship if they get engaged/blown up, they will just get a new hulk. For them max yield is thier life. Whats a 300m isk ship if they make billions a day across thier bot accounts (which they then "sell" but immediately hack and rob the accounts of losers who fall for the isk for dollars scam anyway)? |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:50:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: there is none.. all experienced players are based in null and all noobs are based in high sec. Which makes quiet hard for newbs and experianced players to co=operate and help each other.
Not a single thing you stated here is actually true. My own alliance is living proof of this if you're familiar with how we operate, "Hello newbie, welcome to your first day in Eve. Pod yourself to 0.0 and never look back!" if that's true.. gratz to you folks .. IF CCP made like 20 systems as rookie system where people learn and the rest as PVP systems. things would automatically work out fine. the biggest problem is concord...
The really crazy thing is that anyone can do it. You don't need to be some massive nullsec empire with unlimited Technitium income to pull this off. Goonswarm started as a single corporation years ago living in the Verge Vendor region. The corp supplied its newbie pilots with unlimited free frigates paid for by the insurance income when they exploded. "Welcome to Goonfleet, here's your Kestrel (we didn't know any better back then), go blow something (yourself) up!" Every newbie was given a package with all the skillbooks they would need for the next several months, donated by older pilots. The corp was profitable on its own just from a small tax premium and in its first few months of operation introduced hundreds of new pilots to Eve Online. Most of the pilots today doing horrible evil things to you, even The Mittani, started as a baby goon being given his first frigate by an older pilot.
Anyone can do this in Eve-Online, they just need to give a damn. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:52:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges ..
You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1033
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:53:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles. Well you can wait for CCP to tank it for you come the winter expansion ...
Good job miners, you got a change though *cheers* Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:54:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote: "Welcome to Joringer Inc. Here's your complimentary Osprey for joining our growing community of miners. Be sure to fit the Shield Extender you've been provided with. If you do not have the skill needed to use a Shield Extender please take one from the corporate hanger. Be sure to insure your complimentary Osprey in the event that the evil Goonswarm attempt to blow it up. Our communal mining operations are every Saturday and Sunday evening at 20:00 Eve Time!"
when all else fails...make it personal . this seems to be a trend with goonswarm folks around here ..
This wasn't a personal attack. I was hoping it would inspire you. You claim newbie pilots can't interact with experienced pilots, that's not true; the older pilots just need to step up. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:56:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles. Well you can wait for CCP to tank it for you come the winter expansion ... Good job miners, you got a change though *cheers*
Its not a bad change really. The harder your tank the lower your yield. Should have been how it was from the start. The real issue is that mining is so boring that miners are nearly forced to not actually play the game while doing. I don't actually feel bad about ganking them because no one actually forces you to do such a horribly dull job in Eve, its their own fault, but CCP could greatly improve affairs by making mining interesting game play. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:57:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges ..
You can tank a Covetor such that it is uneconomical to gank it.
14.8k EHP vs Void. This will survive a solo T2 Catalyst gank. It may survive a pair of t1 Catalysts. Either way, it's more expensive to gank than the 2.5m bounty + 5m Isk drop it produces.
[Covetor, Tank]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II
Medium Shield Extender II
Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-604
This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 02:59:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges .. You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles.
Look... you still haven't given me a single ounce of proof that all miners are botters Blah blah blah... they stay tabbed out blah blah .. Just accept it... All this is for the lolz, the tears and the attention .. Ganking mining barges gives you nothing ..
stop repeating the same lines..it just does not make sense.. Either prove most miners are bots, if you cant prove that. Then create some other fancy reason for this nonsense called Hulkageddon
@RubyPorto - aah thnx for the fit ... |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:00:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges .. You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles. Look... you still haven't given me a single ounce of proof that all miners are botters Blah blah blah... they stay tabbed out blah blah .. Just accept it... All this is for the lolz, the tears and the attention .. Ganking mining barges gives you nothing .. stop repeating the same lines..it just does not make sense.. Either prove most miners are bots, if you cant prove that. Then create some other fancy reason for this nonsense called Hulkageddon
Just keep moving those goal posts! If you move them far enough you might actually come out of this ahead.
And what does Hulkageddon have to do with botters? Hulkageddon is a pretty simple concept. Some "evil" people have placed a bounty on T2 Barges. So we kill T2 Barges to get the bounty. The Hulk is what matters, whether they're botting or not is irrelevant. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:00:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges .. You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles. Look... you still haven't given me a single ounce of proof that all miners are botters Blah blah blah... they stay tabbed out blah blah .. Just accept it... All this is for the lolz, the tears and the attention .. Ganking mining barges gives you nothing .. stop repeating the same lines..it just does not make sense.. Either prove most miners are bots, if you cant prove that. Then create some other fancy reason for this nonsense called Hulkageddon
Cause it's fun. That's reason enough to do anything, seeing as this is a game. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:03:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges .. You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles. Look... you still haven't given me a single ounce of proof that all miners are botters Blah blah blah... they stay tabbed out blah blah .. Just accept it... All this is for the lolz, the tears and the attention .. Ganking mining barges gives you nothing .. stop repeating the same lines..it just does not make sense.. Either prove most miners are bots, if you cant prove that. Then create some other fancy reason for this nonsense called Hulkageddon Just keep moving those goal posts! If you move them far enough you might actually come out of this ahead.
After reading some of your posts i though you would have the intelligence to accept to at least leave new players alone to let them learn. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1033
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:04:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Look... you still haven't given me a single ounce of proof that all miners are botters Blah blah blah... they stay tabbed out blah blah .. Just accept it... All this is for the lolz, the tears and the attention .. Ganking mining barges gives you nothing ..
stop repeating the same lines..it just does not make sense.. Either prove most miners are bots, if you cant prove that. Then create some other fancy reason for this nonsense called Hulkageddon Cause it's fun. That's reason enough to do anything, seeing as this is a game. Posts like that make it all worth it. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
42
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:You don't tank a mining barge. You tank yourself. Pay attention to the game, not whatever you're doing while tabbed out between miner cycles. Well you can wait for CCP to tank it for you come the winter expansion ... Good job miners, you got a change though *cheers*
mining is still going to be lock a rock activate beam watch, wait... wait... move ore to orca/jetcan
still not "emergent" gameplay /sigh lol
Will in fact make it harder for ppl who genuinely want to screw with bots to do so, short of reporting them - which is boring |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
582
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:09:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote: After reading some of your posts i though you would atleast accept to leave new players alone to let them learn the game without getting their expensive ships killed just for the lolz of some guy.
Given that you continually flip flop on whatever it is that we're arguing anytime I start to dismantle one of your talking points I've pretty much just assumed you're a troll and everything for the last few pages has been sport on my part. Now change the subject again I grow tired of this game. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
42
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:12:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:No way, you're teaching them to TANK?
What about the Maximizing Yield 101 classes? still waiting for the reply on tanking mining barges .. You can tank a Covetor such that it is uneconomical to gank it. 14.8k EHP vs Void. This will survive a solo T2 Catalyst gank. It may survive a pair of t1 Catalysts. Either way, it's more expensive to gank than the 2.5m bounty + 5m Isk drop it produces. [Covetor, Tank] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II Medium Shield Extender II Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Zainou 'Gypsy' Electronics EE-604
nice fit, might copy paste that one, not sure where all my fitting power was going, t2 strips perhaps? or do they eat same attributes? I'm not immune to learning, im happy to learn, I have spent the past month training shield skills to max and training repper drones and shield boosting on my alt.
Also last week for a laugh i entered and flew around in a wormhole i scanned down. I was sure to bookmark my exit but then buzzed around scanning a little, found some anomalies and such, but didnt have assets nearby i could use to actually do anything so i eventually left. The whole no communication beacon/no local thing was fun. Theres was a cheetah somewhere too, no doubt trying to find the random interloper in a probe lol
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:12:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:Cause it's fun. That's reason enough to do anything, seeing as this is a game. its fun killing a new players who are learning the game .. i guess we all have our weard ways of having fun... these posts really does make it worth thinking if it was all useful to spend my time here try to reason with this stupidity of ganking mining barges
If you're in a mining barge, you've played for at least two weeks. That's more than long enough to have learned:
CCP Wrangler wrote:EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:15:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:
nice fit, might copy paste that one, not sure where all my fitting power was going, t2 strips perhaps? or do they eat same attributes? I'm not immune to learning, im happy to learn, I have spent the past month training shield skills to max and training repper drones and shield boosting on my alt.
T2 is generally harder on fittings. With the implant, that fits fairly easily, I think. Didn't check by how much it fits. If you can get shield gang links from an Orca (or better yet, a Tengu), you'll have so much more tank.
Rep drones and Active tanking are not the way to go for tanking/avoiding ganks. Buffer and real RR (from a ship, like an Osprey) is the creamy goodness. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:17:00 -
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If you honestly think that mining is playing Eve, then I can only communicate with you in the universal language: Gunfire. |
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Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:21:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: After reading some of your posts i though you would atleast accept to leave new players alone to let them learn the game without getting their expensive ships killed just for the lolz of some guy.
Given that you continually flip flop on whatever it is that we're arguing anytime I start to dismantle one of your talking points I've pretty much just assumed you're a troll and everything for the last few pages has been sport on my part. Now change the subject again I grow tired of this game.
Saying "my way or the highway" isn't dismantling arguments .. All i have ever seen here is saying Goons did this Goons did that u should follow it coz we are awezomes.. You still havn't given me proof on your famous accusations " minerz are evil botz they should be keeeeleeed " . If you ever read the opening statement of the thread and some of the replies of your goon folks its clearly targeting an entire community and the result will be the game getting not fun for most of the new players .. but wait.. Be like goon swarm eh..
Attacking Hulks... i understand that better and got very little issues against it ... attacking mining barges..go right ahead , you might convince CCP to make them more survivable in the winter expansion.... |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:23:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:Cause it's fun. That's reason enough to do anything, seeing as this is a game. its fun killing a new players who are learning the game .. i guess we all have our weard ways of having fun... these posts really does make it worth thinking if it was all useful to spend my time here try to reason with this stupidity of ganking mining barges
Yup. If you think those new players need help, start a corp to help them. There are countless vets in hisec that would help.
Don't think it can be done in hisec? Do it in lowsec then. Almost the entire game world hates us, certainly you can find support. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:25:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: After reading some of your posts i though you would atleast accept to leave new players alone to let them learn the game without getting their expensive ships killed just for the lolz of some guy.
Given that you continually flip flop on whatever it is that we're arguing anytime I start to dismantle one of your talking points I've pretty much just assumed you're a troll and everything for the last few pages has been sport on my part. Now change the subject again I grow tired of this game. Saying "my way or the highway" isn't dismantling arguments .. All i have ever seen here is saying Goons did this Goons did that u should follow it coz we are awezomes.. You still havn't given me proof on your famous accusations " minerz are evil botz they should be keeeeleeed " . If you ever read the opening statement of the thread and some of the replies of your goon folks its clearly targeting an entire community and the result will be the game getting not fun for most of the new players .. but wait.. Be like goon swarm eh.. Attacking Hulks... i understand that better and got very little issues against it ... attacking mining barges..go right ahead , you might convince CCP to make them more survivable in the winter expansion....
Doesn't matter why we pop them, the fact is that we do. Don't like it? Make a corp to stop us. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:27:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:Cause it's fun. That's reason enough to do anything, seeing as this is a game. its fun killing a new players who are learning the game .. i guess we all have our weard ways of having fun... these posts really does make it worth thinking if it was all useful to spend my time here try to reason with this stupidity of ganking mining barges Yup. If you think those new players need help, start a corp to help them. There are countless vets in hisec that would help. Don't think it can be done in hisec? Do it in lowsec then. Almost the entire game world hates us, certainly you can find support.
I don't hate goonswarm for how they came to power. I just hate the concept of ganking, especially mining barges. Mitani did an awesome job on getting goonsworm to a superpower status. AM not here for the lulz or the tears.. Attacking an entire community is rather sad ... |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:29:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:Cause it's fun. That's reason enough to do anything, seeing as this is a game. its fun killing a new players who are learning the game .. i guess we all have our weard ways of having fun... these posts really does make it worth thinking if it was all useful to spend my time here try to reason with this stupidity of ganking mining barges Yup. If you think those new players need help, start a corp to help them. There are countless vets in hisec that would help. Don't think it can be done in hisec? Do it in lowsec then. Almost the entire game world hates us, certainly you can find support. I don't hate goonswarm for how they came to power. I just hate the concept of ganking, especially mining barges. Mitani did an awesome job on getting goonsworm to a superpower status. AM not here for the lulz or the tears.. Attacking an entire community is rather sad ...
If you hate the idea that violence can come at any time, in any form, no matter where you are, why are you playing a game whose core idea you hate? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
42
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:37:00 -
[296] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
nice fit, might copy paste that one, not sure where all my fitting power was going, t2 strips perhaps? or do they eat same attributes? I'm not immune to learning, im happy to learn, I have spent the past month training shield skills to max and training repper drones and shield boosting on my alt.
T2 is generally harder on fittings. With the implant, that fits fairly easily, I think. Didn't check by how much it fits. If you can get shield gang links from an Orca (or better yet, a Tengu), you'll have so much more tank. Rep drones and Active tanking are not the way to go for tanking/avoiding ganks. Buffer and real RR (from a ship, like an Osprey) is the creamy goodness.
gang links thats what i meant, im currently training the siege warfare skill on my orca alt, it will fly the harmonization gang link once im siege link spec 4 or whatever the true skill name is lol (i'll train to lvl 5 as well but i'll feel "safe" enough in space once lvl 4)
Come to think of it everthing fitted to my covetor was t2 (except rigs) and i know what the cpu gulper was now.. yup, yield booster lol. I bet if i take that off my fittings flexibility would go all crazy like. Of course within 2 days i'll be ready to launch my hulk anyway (could do it now even but im patient) so covetor tanking is kind of moot lol. Is tengu a better booster than say, a command ship? i was also thinking of training my alt into command ships but i wont if theres better alternatives /shrug |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:43:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
nice fit, might copy paste that one, not sure where all my fitting power was going, t2 strips perhaps? or do they eat same attributes? I'm not immune to learning, im happy to learn, I have spent the past month training shield skills to max and training repper drones and shield boosting on my alt.
T2 is generally harder on fittings. With the implant, that fits fairly easily, I think. Didn't check by how much it fits. If you can get shield gang links from an Orca (or better yet, a Tengu), you'll have so much more tank. Rep drones and Active tanking are not the way to go for tanking/avoiding ganks. Buffer and real RR (from a ship, like an Osprey) is the creamy goodness. gang links thats what i meant, im currently training the siege warfare skill on my orca alt, it will fly the harmonization gang link once im siege link spec 4 or whatever the true skill name is lol (i'll train to lvl 5 as well but i'll feel "safe" enough in space once lvl 4) Come to think of it everthing fitted to my covetor was t2 (except rigs) and i know what the cpu gulper was now.. yup, yield booster lol. I bet if i take that off my fittings flexibility would go all crazy like. Of course within 2 days i'll be ready to launch my hulk anyway (could do it now even but im patient) so covetor tanking is kind of moot lol. Is tengu a better booster than say, a command ship? i was also thinking of training my alt into command ships but i wont if theres better alternatives /shrug
Command ships give a 3%/level bonus to their respective boosting. T3s give a 5%/level bonus.
You'll also have to tank your hulk. You'll actually have to tank your Hulk much better, because the income from ganking it is higher, so you can spend more to gank it and still turn a profit. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:45:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Quote:Cause it's fun. That's reason enough to do anything, seeing as this is a game. its fun killing a new players who are learning the game .. i guess we all have our weard ways of having fun... these posts really does make it worth thinking if it was all useful to spend my time here try to reason with this stupidity of ganking mining barges Yup. If you think those new players need help, start a corp to help them. There are countless vets in hisec that would help. Don't think it can be done in hisec? Do it in lowsec then. Almost the entire game world hates us, certainly you can find support. I don't hate goonswarm for how they came to power. I just hate the concept of ganking, especially mining barges. Mitani did an awesome job on getting goonsworm to a superpower status. AM not here for the lulz or the tears.. Attacking an entire community is rather sad ...
Right. So I'm saying get those miners together with some combat vets and work together. We mine all the high end **** in Hulks in our space because we have competent intel and a POS in the same system. There is no reason everyone else can't do the same. Stop mining in hisec space. You get ganked and can't preemptively fight back. Everyone knows this, so stop doing it. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
119
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:45:00 -
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Short story.
Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months. Yesterday I thought, what the hell I have a bunch of thrashers here, may as well blow them on some mackinaws. Ice belts are empty these days though, but soon enough I find two macks and orca mining away. Didn't even bother to scan them and just warped in with a thrasher and opened on one. He went down very easy. Hardly surprising since he had no midslot modules. After all this time, people still mine like that.
So I go back to jump into another thrasher while my alt is watching cloaked, keeping the warp in point warm. The guy continues pod mining. About 20 minutes later, the other mackinaw pilot starts smacking in russian and the pod warps out. While I'm en route with a new thrasher, 12 jumps, the pod returns with a brand new mack. Everyone still in the same spot. They not even mining. I see no laser effects. Finally, the thrasher arrives and I pop the other mack. Don't want to be accused of picking on one pilot. Also, no tank. Managed to kill his pod too.
My alt travels 5 jumps to get a salvager module. I wasn't really prepared. Come back, salvage the wrecks. The guys are still there. If I had time I would have returned with another thrasher but I couldn't be bothered.
What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1898
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:47:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote: What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.
You're kidding me.
You used a thrasher? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
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Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
10
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:51:00 -
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Ludi Burek wrote:Short story.
Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months.
What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.
And pigs can fly..
so basically you don't play eve much , but have to accuse players of being imbeciles despite the short experience u had.. Whoz the bigger Imbecile ... stop posting thrash...
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1035
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:54:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Ludi Burek wrote: What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.
You're kidding me. You used a thrasher? Untanked macks.. I guess I can believe it.
Did any of the pods have really expensive stuff in them?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1898
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:54:00 -
[303] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Short story.
Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months.
What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand. And pigs can fly.. so basically you don't play eve much , but have to accuse players of being imbeciles despite the short experience u had.. Whoz the bigger Imbecile ... stop posting thrash...
Umm, the guy who got ganked twice in the same spot in an untanked mack after 6 weeks of notice that HAG's going on, maybe? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Torneach
Viziam Amarr Empire
262
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:54:00 -
[304] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Short story.
Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months.
What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand. And pigs can fly.. so basically you don't play eve much , but have to accuse players of being imbeciles despite the short experience u had.. Whoz the bigger Imbecile ... stop posting thrash...
Well I dunno about you, but those players he ganked sure seemed like botters to me.
So if anything he should be applauded for taking them out. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1898
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:55:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Ludi Burek wrote: What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.
You're kidding me. You used a thrasher? Untanked macks.. I guess I can believe it. Did any of the pods have really expensive stuff in them?
You mistook the reason for my disbelief. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
119
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Posted - 2012.06.15 03:55:00 -
[306] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Short story.
Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months.
What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand. And pigs can fly.. so basically you don't play eve much , but have to accuse players of being imbeciles despite the short experience u had.. Whoz the bigger Imbecile ... stop posting thrash...
Tunnel vision much? I play eve plenty. Just happened to not play much recently due to RL. And my experience is not "short one night stand" as you seem to imply . It's just confirming how afkers and botters are still playing the same way despite of the miner ganking crusade. Surely, one would be fitting tanks by now no? |
Ashrik Tyr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:00:00 -
[307] - Quote
Maddy Joringer wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Short story.
Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months.
What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand. And pigs can fly.. so basically you don't play eve much , but have to accuse players of being imbeciles despite the short experience u had.. Whoz the bigger Imbecile ... The players he described and you. How small minded someone must be to read that anecdote and describe the teller, and not the subjects who stood around losing ships, as the imbeciles. Let's see- one got to blow up and salvage ships. The other got to lose ships and still didn't react effectively. Hmmmmm this is tough.
You obviously have a weird fixation and obsession with Hulkageddon Infinity and Goonswarm. I think you should do something about it. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:00:00 -
[308] - Quote
Ludi Burek wrote:Short story. Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months. Yesterday I thought, what the hell I have a bunch of thrashers here, may as well blow them on some mackinaws. Ice belts are empty these days though, but soon enough I find two macks and orca mining away. Didn't even bother to scan them and just warped in with a thrasher and opened on one. He went down very easy. Hardly surprising since he had no midslot modules. After all this time, people still mine like that. So I go back to jump into another thrasher while my alt is watching cloaked, keeping the warp in point warm. The guy continues pod mining. About 20 minutes later, the other mackinaw pilot starts smacking in russian and the pod warps out. While I'm en route with a new thrasher, 12 jumps, the pod returns with a brand new mack. Everyone still in the same spot. They not even mining. I see no laser effects. Finally, the thrasher arrives and I pop the other mack. Don't want to be accused of picking on one pilot. Also, no tank. Managed to kill his pod too. My alt travels 5 jumps to get a salvager module. I wasn't really prepared. Come back, salvage the wrecks. The guys are still there. If I had time I would have returned with another thrasher but I couldn't be bothered. What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.
Awesome.
I've never ganked anyone, and I don't plan to. Just not interested, but I don't feel bad for anyone who gets ganked, be it a lazy afk miner or someone meticulously watching the screen and aligned to warp out fitting a decent tank. Getting blown up happens, this is Eve.
Whatever the reason GW is blowing up Hulks is irrelevant. Hell, if I had my way, Hulkageddon would cover all miners everywhere until goons were the only ones able to mine at all. The only thing that matters to the miners out there is that we are doing it, and they need to find a way to deal with that. Whining to CCP is one way to go, but it really is a lot more fun to just play the game instead of begging for divine intervention while doing nothing differently.
Eve is a rough game, and the strong survive. Sorry, but in the Eve world, might makes right. If miners want to mine safely, its time to make a corp in low or nullsec for them, and to put together defense fleets and intel channels. And rest assured, goons will **** with all that too.
Of course, pubbie corps and alliances are so often so unstable and corrupt, this might well be impossible, but that's really your problem, not ours. You guys have really got to learn to stop ******* each other over so much and actually learn to work together.
But seriously, stop whining for CCP to play the game for you. They've made it pretty clear they aren't going to stop us. We are playing the game within the rules, at least by their judgement, so why don't you all do so as well? For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:03:00 -
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Aramatheia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Aramatheia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Aramatheia wrote:
nice fit, might copy paste that one, not sure where all my fitting power was going, t2 strips perhaps? or do they eat same attributes? I'm not immune to learning, im happy to learn, I have spent the past month training shield skills to max and training repper drones and shield boosting on my alt.
T2 is generally harder on fittings. With the implant, that fits fairly easily, I think. Didn't check by how much it fits. If you can get shield gang links from an Orca (or better yet, a Tengu), you'll have so much more tank. Rep drones and Active tanking are not the way to go for tanking/avoiding ganks. Buffer and real RR (from a ship, like an Osprey) is the creamy goodness. gang links thats what i meant, im currently training the siege warfare skill on my orca alt, it will fly the harmonization gang link once im siege link spec 4 or whatever the true skill name is lol (i'll train to lvl 5 as well but i'll feel "safe" enough in space once lvl 4) Come to think of it everthing fitted to my covetor was t2 (except rigs) and i know what the cpu gulper was now.. yup, yield booster lol. I bet if i take that off my fittings flexibility would go all crazy like. Of course within 2 days i'll be ready to launch my hulk anyway (could do it now even but im patient) so covetor tanking is kind of moot lol. Is tengu a better booster than say, a command ship? i was also thinking of training my alt into command ships but i wont if theres better alternatives /shrug Command ships give a 3%/level bonus to their respective boosting. T3s give a 5%/level bonus. You'll also have to tank your hulk. You'll actually have to tank your Hulk much better, because the income from ganking it is higher, so you can spend more to gank it and still turn a profit. yeah my hulk is fitted with invulns a shield extender and has core defence field extender or something rigs. Wow go me for forgetting the name of stuff. Prior to getting shield management to 5 i was 19.7k hp or something with 70+ resists across the board. I have since gotten that skill maxed and further shield capacity from siege warfare skill on my alt while training exhumers to 4 (finishes soon). By the time im siege warfare spec 5 i'll be exhumers 5 too and short of putting money into expensive top end implants will be hard pressed furthering my tank i think (im never fitting expensive mods onto something as weak as a mining ship lol).
Look at all this effort just to shoot at veldspar. Just get into (or start) a well defended mining corp and fit out your hulk for max yield in low or null sec.
I mean, yeah, sometimes we have to mine veld or spod, but that's just to pop the belt so a new one spawns loaded with ark and mercoxit. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Aramatheia
European Nuthouse
42
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:14:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:Aramatheia wrote: yeah my hulk is fitted with invulns a shield extender and has core defence field extender or something rigs. Wow go me for forgetting the name of stuff. Prior to getting shield management to 5 i was 19.7k hp or something with 70+ resists across the board. I have since gotten that skill maxed and further shield capacity from siege warfare skill on my alt while training exhumers to 4 (finishes soon). By the time im siege warfare spec 5 i'll be exhumers 5 too and short of putting money into expensive top end implants will be hard pressed furthering my tank i think (im never fitting expensive mods onto something as weak as a mining ship lol).
Look at all this effort just to shoot at veldspar. Just get into (or start) a well defended mining corp and fit out your hulk for max yield in low or null sec. I mean, yeah, sometimes we have to mine veld or spod, but that's just to pop the belt so a new one spawns loaded with ark and mercoxit.
on the brightside it means if i find some corp thats right for me in good time then i'll have another skillset well and trully established, i wont have to be buying books and spending months to train and prepare (I also have logi 5 and fly a scimi and have a loki with t2 autocannons) I'm just giving myself a non combat option as well. I also have the basics trained for combat probing but need to train more and learn more for it.
The only thing in eve i have ever done half assed was incursions. I flew t1 ships with meta 4 fits baring the obvious shield mods and dcu. Untill i finally got my scimi that is, but then it has meta 4 tracking links even. If some big null alliance said they really wanted me fore logi ops or mining.. it might be enough to break me off from my current industrial cooperation. Who knows. All i know is im making sure that im the best i can be at what im currently doing and as unsavoury looking for gankers along the way lol |
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InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:29:00 -
[311] - Quote
Aramatheia wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote:Aramatheia wrote: yeah my hulk is fitted with invulns a shield extender and has core defence field extender or something rigs. Wow go me for forgetting the name of stuff. Prior to getting shield management to 5 i was 19.7k hp or something with 70+ resists across the board. I have since gotten that skill maxed and further shield capacity from siege warfare skill on my alt while training exhumers to 4 (finishes soon). By the time im siege warfare spec 5 i'll be exhumers 5 too and short of putting money into expensive top end implants will be hard pressed furthering my tank i think (im never fitting expensive mods onto something as weak as a mining ship lol).
Look at all this effort just to shoot at veldspar. Just get into (or start) a well defended mining corp and fit out your hulk for max yield in low or null sec. I mean, yeah, sometimes we have to mine veld or spod, but that's just to pop the belt so a new one spawns loaded with ark and mercoxit. on the brightside it means if i find some corp thats right for me in good time then i'll have another skillset well and trully established, i wont have to be buying books and spending months to train and prepare (I also have logi 5 and fly a scimi and have a loki with t2 autocannons) I'm just giving myself a non combat option as well. I also have the basics trained for combat probing but need to train more and learn more for it. The only thing in eve i have ever done half assed was incursions. I flew t1 ships with meta 4 fits baring the obvious shield mods and dcu. Untill i finally got my scimi that is, but then it has meta 4 tracking links even. If some big null alliance said they really wanted me fore logi ops or mining.. it might be enough to break me off from my current industrial cooperation. Who knows. All i know is im making sure that im the best i can be at what im currently doing and as unsavoury looking for gankers along the way lol
Can't argue with that. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
11
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:37:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Short story. Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months. Yesterday I thought, what the hell I have a bunch of thrashers here, may as well blow them on some mackinaws. Ice belts are empty these days though, but soon enough I find two macks and orca mining away. Didn't even bother to scan them and just warped in with a thrasher and opened on one. He went down very easy. Hardly surprising since he had no midslot modules. After all this time, people still mine like that. So I go back to jump into another thrasher while my alt is watching cloaked, keeping the warp in point warm. The guy continues pod mining. About 20 minutes later, the other mackinaw pilot starts smacking in russian and the pod warps out. While I'm en route with a new thrasher, 12 jumps, the pod returns with a brand new mack. Everyone still in the same spot. They not even mining. I see no laser effects. Finally, the thrasher arrives and I pop the other mack. Don't want to be accused of picking on one pilot. Also, no tank. Managed to kill his pod too. My alt travels 5 jumps to get a salvager module. I wasn't really prepared. Come back, salvage the wrecks. The guys are still there. If I had time I would have returned with another thrasher but I couldn't be bothered. What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand. Awesome. I've never ganked anyone, and I don't plan to. Just not interested, but I don't feel bad for anyone who gets ganked, be it a lazy afk miner or someone meticulously watching the screen and aligned to warp out fitting a decent tank. Getting blown up happens, this is Eve. Whatever the reason GW is blowing up Hulks is irrelevant. Hell, if I had my way, Hulkageddon would cover all miners everywhere until goons were the only ones able to mine at all. The only thing that matters to the miners out there is that we are doing it, and they need to find a way to deal with that. Whining to CCP is one way to go, but it really is a lot more fun to just play the game instead of begging for divine intervention while doing nothing differently. Eve is a rough game, and the strong survive. Sorry, but in the Eve world, might makes right. If miners want to mine safely, its time to make a corp in low or nullsec for them, and to put together defense fleets and intel channels. And rest assured, goons will **** with all that too. Of course, pubbie corps and alliances are so often so unstable and corrupt, this might well be impossible, but that's really your problem, not ours. You guys have really got to learn to stop ******* each other over so much and actually learn to work together. But seriously, stop whining for CCP to play the game for you. They've made it pretty clear they aren't going to stop us. We are playing the game within the rules, at least by their judgement, so why don't you all do so as well? For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.
IF the why's don't matter soo mucg. Can you plz ask your corpmates to stop making flashy hulkagaddon threads. Especially the thread starter
that last line.. is soo ********..is soo damned ********..not even funny. Gosh this elitist attitude of some goon folks in here .. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 04:49:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote:Ludi Burek wrote:Short story. Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months. Yesterday I thought, what the hell I have a bunch of thrashers here, may as well blow them on some mackinaws. Ice belts are empty these days though, but soon enough I find two macks and orca mining away. Didn't even bother to scan them and just warped in with a thrasher and opened on one. He went down very easy. Hardly surprising since he had no midslot modules. After all this time, people still mine like that. So I go back to jump into another thrasher while my alt is watching cloaked, keeping the warp in point warm. The guy continues pod mining. About 20 minutes later, the other mackinaw pilot starts smacking in russian and the pod warps out. While I'm en route with a new thrasher, 12 jumps, the pod returns with a brand new mack. Everyone still in the same spot. They not even mining. I see no laser effects. Finally, the thrasher arrives and I pop the other mack. Don't want to be accused of picking on one pilot. Also, no tank. Managed to kill his pod too. My alt travels 5 jumps to get a salvager module. I wasn't really prepared. Come back, salvage the wrecks. The guys are still there. If I had time I would have returned with another thrasher but I couldn't be bothered. What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand. Awesome. I've never ganked anyone, and I don't plan to. Just not interested, but I don't feel bad for anyone who gets ganked, be it a lazy afk miner or someone meticulously watching the screen and aligned to warp out fitting a decent tank. Getting blown up happens, this is Eve. Whatever the reason GW is blowing up Hulks is irrelevant. Hell, if I had my way, Hulkageddon would cover all miners everywhere until goons were the only ones able to mine at all. The only thing that matters to the miners out there is that we are doing it, and they need to find a way to deal with that. Whining to CCP is one way to go, but it really is a lot more fun to just play the game instead of begging for divine intervention while doing nothing differently. Eve is a rough game, and the strong survive. Sorry, but in the Eve world, might makes right. If miners want to mine safely, its time to make a corp in low or nullsec for them, and to put together defense fleets and intel channels. And rest assured, goons will **** with all that too. Of course, pubbie corps and alliances are so often so unstable and corrupt, this might well be impossible, but that's really your problem, not ours. You guys have really got to learn to stop ******* each other over so much and actually learn to work together. But seriously, stop whining for CCP to play the game for you. They've made it pretty clear they aren't going to stop us. We are playing the game within the rules, at least by their judgement, so why don't you all do so as well? For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore. IF the why's don't matter soo mucg. Can you plz ask your corpmates to stop making flashy hulkagaddon threads. Especially the thread starter that last line.. is soo ********..is soo damned ********..not even funny. Gosh this elitist attitude of some goon folks in here ..
Why would they stop? The threads routinely get 10-20 pages, if not far longer. They are clearly noticed and we garner a lot of attention for an event that means a lot of profit for the corp.
Also, I don't really have much say over what my corpmates do. I can assure you that we don't post with alts nearly as much as everyone claims we do.
As for the last line, sorry, but just look at the sheer number of people begging CCP to alter the game itself so they don't have to change their playstyle. The way they deal with challenges in the game is by begging the devs to overcome the challenges for them. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Betrinna Cantis
5
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:17:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Betrinna Cantis wrote:The people that are ganking have carebear alts. Tell me that is not true.... It's not true. (You didn't ask for proof, nor honesty) Touche' Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
11
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:19:00 -
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Quote:Why would they stop? The threads routinely get 10-20 pages, if not far longer. They are clearly noticed and we garner a lot of attention for an event that means a lot of profit for the corp.
Count the amount of goon posters in this thread and tell my why it reaches 20 pages
Quote:Also, I don't really have much say over what my corpmates do. I can assure you that we don't post with alts nearly as much as everyone claims we do.
Sure you dont.. looking at some posts .. you can clearly see they are posting for the heck of it
Quote:As for the last line, sorry, but just look at the sheer number of people begging CCP to alter the game itself so they don't have to change their playstyle. The way they deal with challenges in the game is by begging the devs to overcome the challenges for them.
Don't generelise the entire section of miners just coz , half dozen people decided to whine to CCP..bad example .. Am not the kind of person who likes killing people and ruining their game just for the lolz...Maybe u folks do..but not me..so i dont understand that bit...never will... I just don't understand the mentality of killing miners out of all the things u can do in eve.. clearly asking you folks to leave new players alone is impossible..
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1900
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:22:00 -
[316] - Quote
Betrinna Cantis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Betrinna Cantis wrote:The people that are ganking have carebear alts. Tell me that is not true.... It's not true. (You didn't ask for proof, nor honesty) Touche'
Honestly, I'm quite sure that some* gankers have no alts (or at least no primarily income generating, non-pvp ones).
*not to imply a large or small number, simply a non-zero one, since I don't care to make any attempt to find out numbers This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.06.15 05:59:00 -
[317] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?
And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me. How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor... Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego .. I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards. To date I have not managed to gank a single mining battleship or cruiser. If you are having difficulties in having your barge blown up, perhaps you should try one of those. Any T1 Battleship capable of fitting seven or more miners pulls in nearly the same yield as a Covetor. Ospreys and Scythes are nearly free while still sucking down ridiculous quantities of ore. It really isn't my fault that you're taking no measure to protect yourself. Mindless whining, contrary to what you might think, doesn't actually protect your barge. And look at those two posts above mine that have all sorts of great ideas in them as well. But don't let those tips get in the way of your bitching.
Mining cruisers are easy to gank if you grief them by can flipping. Then you do not even lose your ship. This activity is happening all the time all over EVE as noobs get can fliped and griefed and bam lose the cruiser. And the goons are not even sponsoring this. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
635
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Posted - 2012.06.15 06:02:00 -
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I was stunned and amazed this evening as a couple of my bros were lining up a gank on a Covetor and his Itty hauler and the guy was aligned and warped out as they landed. Like he had been using his D-Scanner and saw them coming. The behaviour correction is working! . |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1036
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Posted - 2012.06.15 06:04:00 -
[319] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards. Actually, I thought bots were a lot more capable at warping out when a (destroyer) warps in than players are... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
124
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Posted - 2012.06.15 06:06:00 -
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For every 10 mining barges - covetors, retrievers, and procurers - you gank, you will be reimbursed 25 million isk.
Great offer form +5 to -10.00 in less than a day and you offer only 25mil isk ? I want know how meny idiots fall onto this super idea . Personaly i prefer lose my sec status to afk industral pilots while better chance for nice profit than lose sec status to poor miner who mining in t1 barge.
Ps. Your ally offer reimbursed for kiling holy bantams? |
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
6
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:16:00 -
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InternetSpaceship wrote:For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.
As mentioned above that's very elitist or even arrogant - be sure to keep playing to your high standards or you will look silly one day...
Just having joined EVE a couple of weeks ago I don't have any business with Goons. Yes, from what I read you seem to be the schoolyard bullies nowaddays (as obviously was BoB back then, though you propably won't like being compared to them *grin*), but from what I read you weren't always in this position, you were the underdogs when you started and did even look severely beaten at one time. But you stayed, organized, fought back, and with funny and good ideas and some luck you earned the position you are in now, and that deserves respect in my opinion.
Though, it does make a difference if you were there during the tough times or just joined when the fight was over and you could sit down at a rich table - in the latter case you should be much more careful with an elitist attitude, because you still have to show that you are able to clench your teeth.
Regarding the "Junior Hulkageddon": Ofc I went the typical newbie way and thought it would be great to be independent from market-changes. So I got this plan to make my own 30 Rifters with selfmade Autocannons II. Bought the BP and the skillbooks, started R&D missions etc. A couple of days and I will be done.
And ofc I got a Retriever (which doesn't change my newbie-status, RubyPorto) to get my own ore - remember, I want to be independent. From an ISK/h point of view, as I know now, that propably was a stupid idea. But I still like the feeling to blow up my own Rifters soon and consider it emergent gameplay.
If I lose that Retriever (and I guess the chances just increased *grin*) I guess I will modify my plan - it won't make me quit EVE (why should it? in every guide I read everyone reminded me that I will lose any ship I have one day anyway, so why should my Retriever survive?). But I will buy the ore from the market then, I don't think I will bother to get a new mining barge. Though I will have a small feeling of loss then (or maybe it's just the stubborness to need to change a plan).
TDLR: Goons are arrogant and elitist, but (most) have worked for it. Not every newbie will leave EVE when his Retriever gets blown up. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 08:35:00 -
[322] - Quote
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote:For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore. As mentioned above that's very elitist or even arrogant - be sure to keep playing to your high standards or you will look silly one day... Just having joined EVE a couple of weeks ago I don't have any business with Goons. Yes, from what I read you seem to be the schoolyard bullies nowaddays (as obviously was BoB back then, though you propably won't like being compared to them *grin*),
eh.
Quote: but from what I read you weren't always in this position, you were the underdogs when you started and did even look severely beaten at one time. But you stayed, organized, fought back, and with funny and good ideas and some luck you earned the position you are in now, and that deserves respect in my opinion.
My point is largely that we got where we are not by whining for CCP to continually change the game to suit our playstyle, but by changing our playstyle to suit the game. These days its all "Ban gankers, make empire no-pvp, buff hulks, wah wah" bullshit. No one wants to play the game, they just want CCP to change it around them so they don't have to do anything to adapt, and eve is all about adapting.
Quote: Though, it does make a difference if you were there during the tough times or just joined when the fight was over and you could sit down at a rich table - in the latter case you should be much more careful with an elitist attitude, because you still have to show that you are able to clench your teeth.
This particular character? No, but I've been in and out of goonswarm/fleet/waffe since about 2007-2008. Not that it's at all relevant.
Quote: TDLR: Goons are arrogant and elitist, but (most) have worked for it. Not every newbie will leave EVE when his Retriever gets blown up.
I do like this. People seem to forget that goons get ganked too. It's just a part of the game. Ragequitting over it is probably a good thing, because if losing ships in Eve sets you off, this game is a fast path to a heart attack. We'll never stop mocking pubbies, but we'll really cut down on it once they stop bitching to CCP every time something comes up in the game that they don't want to have to deal with and actually make an effort to deal with it themselves.
I mean, for all the people who hate goons so much they want CCP to straight out ban us from the game, how many have set up a corp to capitalize on that and bring all those people together to bring us down within the game itself? That would be awesome, but no one does it. I mean, such a corp would greatly outnumber us and surely drive us out of the game permanently. They still don't do it.
They are perfectly willing to come here though and whine and cry about how mean the goons are and how we should all be banned. That's what I mean by people not being willing to play the game. Goons are a challenge, and the only response to that challenge so far has been crying to CCP to remove it for them. What am I supposed to think? Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
6
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Posted - 2012.06.15 10:47:00 -
[323] - Quote
Hehe, thanks for restrained response to my somewhat insulting post, InternetSpaceship. :)
I absolutely agree with you - even though I don't hold any grudge against Goonswarm I would join an alliance that really tries to kick you out of your system, just for the fun of it. It's always more fun to be the underdog - if you lose, nothing is lost, everybody was expecting it. But if you win, you are a super-hero.
The problem might be, that most of the players that LIVE that game, that devote a great chunk of their time to this game and that could be the ones to pull such an alliance, are already in your alliance - which isn't an accusation: Ofc someone devoted to EVE will like to have like-minded people around him/her.
Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining. I wish there was such an alliance and we would have something like the "Great War" or the "Second Great War" again and this time I would play my tiny part in that - that are e-moments to remember. But you don't expect an EVE-newb to start something like that, do you?
Well, maybe when I am lucky someday we will see some ego-clashing in Goonswarm - "Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky, it slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy". |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1418
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Posted - 2012.06.15 10:47:00 -
[324] - Quote
The only problem I have with any of this is that it's taking away from my sweet, sweet DayZ action. Dare to dream of a better New Eden. -áDegren for CSM 8 |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:13:00 -
[325] - Quote
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Well, maybe when I am lucky someday we will see some ego-clashing in Goonswarm - "Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky, it slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy".
Wouldn't be the first time. Or we could forget to pay the bills again, or the Mittani could just go "**** goons" and just leave with everything. Wouldn't be the first time for that either, its almost a tradition for our leaders.
And no, I wouldn't expect a newbie to lead the fight against us, but there are plenty of vets with seething goon hatred that very well could and should.
Obviously I can't speak for everyone in my corp, but I think most would be quite happy with a server-wide war against us. Lots of attention, good challenge, and something to do outside of roams and POS shooting. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.06.15 12:48:00 -
[326] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Peta Michalek wrote:I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it. Economy 101: - You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium - Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more. - You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again.
In what universe does it make sense that continued cheap ship losses immediately make you switch to something far more expensive. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1295
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:29:00 -
[327] - Quote
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Peta Michalek wrote:I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.
It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it. Economy 101: - You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium - Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more. - You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again. In what universe does it make sense that continued cheap ship losses immediately make you switch to something far more expensive.
It's like when you trim branches. You cut them one side and they grow on the other again. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ramon Sohei
URSALIS LOGISTICS GROUP Villore Accords
4
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Posted - 2012.06.15 13:31:00 -
[328] - Quote
Quote:In what universe does it make sense that continued cheap ship losses immediately make you switch to something far more expensive.
I can think of some RL examples. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
305
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:00:00 -
[329] - Quote
Temple Priest wrote:thank you GSF and corestwo by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone
Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3444
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:07:00 -
[330] - Quote
flakeys wrote: Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.
Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game. |
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March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
199
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:08:00 -
[331] - Quote
corestwo wrote:For all you tl;dr nerds: We're paying bounties for T1 mining barges, 25m per ten kills. lol.
to OP: you should train skill "Speech" at least to lvl1 to present your ideas in short and compact form |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3444
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:09:00 -
[332] - Quote
I felt this was overly compact actually, I wasn't really in my groove posting this. |
Citsatllort
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:13:00 -
[333] - Quote
Congratulations on your continued CCP sanctioned player harassment. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1909
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:21:00 -
[334] - Quote
Citsatllort wrote:Congratulations on your continued CCP sanctioned player harassment.
Harassment is a bannable offense in EvE. There's a specific petition category for it, and it's answered very quickly. Every time I've reported a suicide threat, the petition's been answered within minutes. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
350
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:25:00 -
[335] - Quote
Weaselior wrote: Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.
Yet another illeterate who could not read the Sandbox Memo.
GTFO. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3444
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:29:00 -
[336] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Weaselior wrote: Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.
Yet another illeterate who could not read the Sandbox Memo. GTFO. I prefer to think of the term "sandbox" as encouraging me to rub sand in your eyes and hurl buckets at your head until you leave. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1909
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:29:00 -
[337] - Quote
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Weaselior wrote: Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.
Yet another illeterate who could not read the Sandbox Memo. GTFO.
So you're agreeing that ganking for any reason whatsoever is perfectly fine. Cool. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3444
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:29:00 -
[338] - Quote
or until I fit the saddle to you and ride you around like a donkey |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1909
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:31:00 -
[339] - Quote
I think there's a synonym for this that would fit better. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
350
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:35:00 -
[340] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Weaselior wrote: Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.
Yet another illeterate who could not read the Sandbox Memo. GTFO. I prefer to think of the term "sandbox" as encouraging me to rub sand in your eyes and hurl buckets at your head until you leave.
**coughs** O-kayyyyyyyyy. I guess. I'm just glad CCP doesn't really listen to your garbage. I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
352
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:36:00 -
[341] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Fabulousli Obvious wrote:Weaselior wrote: Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.
Yet another illeterate who could not read the Sandbox Memo. GTFO. So you're agreeing that ganking for any reason whatsoever is perfectly fine. Cool.
This makes no sense.
I think that God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability. In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
305
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:37:00 -
[342] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:flakeys wrote: Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.
Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game.
Hahaha 'real eve players' , priceless.
Who gives a **** how they mine.I mined back in the old days , boring as hell and the isk/hour is crap.I'd say your nuts to not be afk mining.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
974
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:38:00 -
[343] - Quote
fabulousli obvious seems to believe that "sandbox" implies that you can play the game however you wish and that CCP must accommodate your wishes and nobody may interfere with your gameplay
he is however wrong eh |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
322
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:40:00 -
[344] - Quote
Weaselior wrote: highsec miner - entitled, bleating that he deserves to mine in perfect safety in highsec.
I've yet to see any miner make that statement. I've see them say a destroyer shouldn't be able to gank a hulk before concord can kill it but that's completely different.
But anyway, thanks for all the hard, selfless work you do to improve the game for us all Goonswarm... I wish we had more guys like you instead of some of the other in your face circle jerking alliances out there.
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InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.06.15 14:50:00 -
[345] - Quote
flakeys wrote:Temple Priest wrote:thank you GSF and corestwo by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.
Well, yes, that's right. Eve isn't a game that is intended to be played alone. That's why the corporation system exists, it allows us to group together to accomplish things we couldn't accomplish alone.
Except for you, I guess, the great Eve player of all time.
Rek Seven wrote:Weaselior wrote: highsec miner - entitled, bleating that he deserves to mine in perfect safety in highsec.
I've yet to see any miner make that statement. I've see them say a destroyer shouldn't be able to gank a hulk before concord can kill it but that's completely different. But anyway, thanks for all the hard, selfless work you do to improve the game for us all Goonswarm... I wish we had more guys like you instead of some of the other in your face circle jerking alliances out there.
No one overtly says it, but the constant begging to make highsec perfectly safe certainly makes it clean that that is what they expect. It is possible to derive the true meaning from someone's behavior without them explicitly telling you what it is that they really want. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
323
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:28:00 -
[346] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote: No one overtly says it, but the constant begging to make highsec perfectly safe certainly makes it clean that that is what they expect. It is possible to derive the true meaning from someone's behavior without them explicitly telling you what it is that they really want.
Yeah and it's also possible to misunderstand someones meaning or twist their words to suit your needs.
Again nobody is asking CCP to make highsec perfectly safe but the fact is - the punishment does not fit the crime and with you paying people to gank, the ganker have become the ones indulging in risk free gameplay.
You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it. You could also invest a little more into a character by getting him into a tornado > gank a few hulks > get banned from HS > grind your standing back up and get paid by concord for your trouble > rinse and repeat. Where is the risk there?
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Khergit Deserters
Gallente Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:31:00 -
[347] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:flakeys wrote: Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own.
Unlike the afk miner, playing EVE as if it were a particularly boring single-player game, real eve players play this as a multiplayer game. Sheesh. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
305
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:43:00 -
[348] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote:flakeys wrote:Temple Priest wrote:thank you GSF and corestwo by any chance does someone know of any gank crews looking for more DPS? or other solo gankers looking to group up? my lowly 2 week alt can't take down the tastier stuff alone Ah look how cute , big bad gankalt needs someone to hold his hands.That's what i like about all you bad boys in here , can't achieve jack **** on your own. Well, yes, that's right. Eve isn't a game that is intended to be played alone. That's why the corporation system exists, it allows us to group together to accomplish things we couldn't accomplish alone. Except for you, I guess, the great Eve player of all time.
See even comprehensive reading on your own is becoming too hard for you sheep. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:49:00 -
[349] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote: You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it.
This is bannable. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1910
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:52:00 -
[350] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote: Again nobody is asking CCP to make highsec perfectly safe but the fact is - the punishment does not fit the crime and with you paying people to gank, the ganker have become the ones indulging in risk free gameplay.
Yes, people are. They are overtly saying it, too. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
1180
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Posted - 2012.06.15 15:56:00 -
[351] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Rek Seven wrote: You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it.
This is bannable.
The work around is throw away trial accounts, which has been done heavily every time.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3449
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:06:00 -
[352] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Weaselior wrote:Rek Seven wrote: You can train a character capable of ganking a poorly tanked hulk in a short time and then throw that character away once your done with it.
This is bannable. The work around is throw away trial accounts, which has been done heavily every time. Nobody's defending this practice and I've never seen any evidence it's actually common, merely wild accusations from highsec miners. I personally, as you may note, am -10, I own two more characters that can't enter highsec (one -10, one a shameful -6.3) and have never ganked on anyone else. Well, except for my concord-pulling alt who is -1.9 and got trained into a 0.0 industry alt. |
InternetSpaceship
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:08:00 -
[353] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote: No one overtly says it, but the constant begging to make highsec perfectly safe certainly makes it clean that that is what they expect. It is possible to derive the true meaning from someone's behavior without them explicitly telling you what it is that they really want.
Again nobody is asking CCP to make highsec perfectly safe but the fact is - the punishment does not fit the crime and with you paying people to gank, the ganker have become the ones indulging in risk free gameplay.
You see, you're mistaken here. There are quite a few people on these very forums who are specifically asking for just that.
Further, if we have the resources and influence to pay gankers, then thanks to the sandbox, we're allowed to do that. If miners don't like it, they need to make a low or nullsec alliance and work together for protection and profit. Begging for CCP to swoop in and alter the game to fit their play style isn't playing the game at all.
I know I'll need to say it again, so I'll say it here. A sandbox does not allow everyone to play however they want with no interference from other players. Players are free to interfere with eachother all they like. There are no boundaries in a sandbox. If I walk over to where you are and **** in your sand, I can do that. If you don't have the resources and support to stop me, well, too bad.
All the tools they need to protect themselves are available in game. Yeah, there isn't much risk in ganking highsec miners, but the highsec miners choose their own risk. They know we gank and they know we do it in Empire. Only an idiot would continue to mine there and repeatedly get popped. Time for the miners to adapt and move out of highsec. This is a sandbox, and if they can't beat us, they need to find a way to at least avoid us. Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.
If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.-á If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
323
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:28:00 -
[354] - Quote
InternetSpaceship wrote: You see, you're mistaken here. There are quite a few people on these very forums who are specifically asking for just that.
Further, if we have the resources and influence to pay gankers, then thanks to the sandbox, we're allowed to do that. If miners don't like it, they need to make a low or nullsec alliance and work together for protection and profit. Begging for CCP to swoop in and alter the game to fit their play style isn't playing the game at all.
I think those people are in the minority though. Most eve players know that ganking is a necisary part of the game and good for the economy.
I just feel a little sorry for the guy with one account trying to make a living in eve and while the bigest alliance in the game seeks to vilafy him in the eyes of the community. He already has the sole destroyingly boring mining mechanic to deal with
And i agree, if you guys have the resources to fund an activity like hulkagedon, they you are well within your right to do so. I just wish you didn't claim you do these things for the good of the game when in actuality, it's just for your personal enjoyment/gain. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
646
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:34:00 -
[355] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:InternetSpaceship wrote: You see, you're mistaken here. There are quite a few people on these very forums who are specifically asking for just that.
Further, if we have the resources and influence to pay gankers, then thanks to the sandbox, we're allowed to do that. If miners don't like it, they need to make a low or nullsec alliance and work together for protection and profit. Begging for CCP to swoop in and alter the game to fit their play style isn't playing the game at all.
I think those people are in the minority though. Most eve players know that ganking is a necisary part of the game and good for the economy. I just feel a little sorry for the guy with one account trying to make a living in eve and while the bigest alliance in the game seeks to vilafy him in the eyes of the community. He already has the sole destroyingly boring mining mechanic to deal with And i agree, if you guys have the resources to fund an activity like hulkagedon, they you are well within your right to do so. I just wish you didn't claim you do these things for the good of the game when in actuality, it's just for your personal enjoyment/gain.
Doesn't everyone do things ingame that they personally enjoy? And also generates gain? Why the hell else play a game but for enjoyment. . |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
323
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:37:00 -
[356] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote: Doesn't everyone do things ingame that they personally enjoy? And also generates gain? Why the hell else play a game but for enjoyment. The 'good of the game' comes in as: dread pirate types have something to do and also makes isk, newbee gonns have something to do, vets have something to do, and miners learn to protect themselves or nerdrage and quit.
Also- THE ECONOMY
Of course they do but not everyone claims that their selfish acts are for the good of the community. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
647
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:41:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:No More Heroes wrote: Doesn't everyone do things ingame that they personally enjoy? And also generates gain? Why the hell else play a game but for enjoyment. The 'good of the game' comes in as: dread pirate types have something to do and also makes isk, newbee gonns have something to do, vets have something to do, and miners learn to protect themselves or nerdrage and quit.
Also- THE ECONOMY
Of course they do but not everyone claims that their selfish acts are for the good of the community.
So then who decides what is good for the community? Define: good . |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
648
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:48:00 -
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The fact is: publicity is good for the game and community. Goons make stories. PC Gamer and Eurogamer don't write about miners, they write about miners getting ganked, they write about epic scams, they write about goons and their antics. Here's some comments from their article on Burn Jita
Master Kuni says: 12:15am April 28 2012 I don't play EVE and probably never will, but it sure makes some of the best damn gaming news stories.
flankattack says: 02:14am April 28 2012 I agree. I love reading the stories about the game and devs and the community that sounds awesome.
Eoino says: 12:11am April 28 2012 Makes me want to start playing this game again...
Rye says: 12:39am April 28 2012 I find EVE to be fascinating. It's the only subscription MMO I've ever wanted to play
Jackohbite says: 12:55am April 28 2012 My God, this is fantastic. I don't want to play Eve, but the emergent storytelling potential of the game is absolutely inspiring.
And so on and so forth. We get all kinds of bitter vets returning after years when they here about the latest stuff going on. This is a good thing.
http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/04/28/nowhere-is-safe-in-eve-online-as-goonswarm-suicide-bombs-galactic-trade-hub/ . |
March rabbit
Trojan Trolls Red Alliance
199
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:52:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Rek Seven wrote:No More Heroes wrote: Doesn't everyone do things ingame that they personally enjoy? And also generates gain? Why the hell else play a game but for enjoyment. The 'good of the game' comes in as: dread pirate types have something to do and also makes isk, newbee gonns have something to do, vets have something to do, and miners learn to protect themselves or nerdrage and quit.
Also- THE ECONOMY
Of course they do but not everyone claims that their selfish acts are for the good of the community. So then who decides what is good for the community? Define: good isn't it what EVERY Mittani's pet (i mean member of goonswarm) does in forums? Claiming that hulkageddon in good, miners are bad and play wrong way, killing miners leads to the better game, etc..... |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1357
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:54:00 -
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Hello. What's happening here? |
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baltec1
1452
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:56:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Hello. What's happening here?
Something new and origional I hear. |
Heinrich Rotwang
State Protectorate Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:57:00 -
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Devilish Ledoux wrote:I for one think comparing highsec miners to Jews in 1930s Germany is more accurate than not.
One could almost tell your online hours from the fact that you think this comparisation was a bright idea. |
Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.15 16:58:00 -
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Quick, lock this topic due to lack of content.
No, wait, its a Goonccp thread.
Of course they can afford to fund their own style of play, they design the game. How hard is it to program isk into mittanni's account? |
baltec1
1452
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:00:00 -
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Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes wrote:Quick, lock this topic due to lack of content.
No, wait, its a Goonccp thread.
Of course they can afford to fund their own style of play, they design the game. How hard is it to program isk into mittanni's account?
Hope you can back that one up. |
Zedrik Cayne
Standards and Practices
145
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:01:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Maddy Joringer wrote: Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?
And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me. How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor... Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego ..
I won't tell you how to tank a covetor. But I can tell you that they can be vicious beasts.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=8279669
Any ship can be used to pvp with. You are the internet equivalent of a Mars bar filled with stupid. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
920
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes wrote:Quick, lock this topic due to lack of content.
No, wait, its a Goonccp thread.
Of course they can afford to fund their own style of play, they design the game. How hard is it to program isk into mittanni's account? Hope you can back that one up.
Why yes, I'm quite certain the obvious sockpuppet troll account can explain exactly every single dent in it's tinfoil hat (to protect it from the EVIL GOONCP MIND CONTROL RAYGUNS) to us.
I really, really wish there was a forum setting so that we could auto-ignore anyone in an NPC corp, any characters under say, 90 days old, with under 60k skillpoints, et cetera.
While we all love our newbies over in Goonswarm, the CCP forum model makes sockpuppet trolling absurdly, insultingly, easy. |
baltec1
1452
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:05:00 -
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Xython wrote:
Why yes, I'm quite certain the obvious sockpuppet troll account can explain exactly every single dent in it's tinfoil hat (to protect it from the EVIL GOONCP MIND CONTROL RAYGUNS) to us.
I really, really wish there was a forum setting so that we could auto-ignore anyone in an NPC corp, any characters under say, 90 days old, with under 60k skillpoints, et cetera.
While we all love our newbies over in Goonswarm, the CCP forum model makes sockpuppet trolling absurdly, insultingly, easy.
Yea but it gives me something to do while I... ...er... ...mine |
Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:12:00 -
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Xython wrote:baltec1 wrote:Sasha Deathcabin Yvormes wrote:Quick, lock this topic due to lack of content.
No, wait, its a Goonccp thread.
Of course they can afford to fund their own style of play, they design the game. How hard is it to program isk into mittanni's account? Hope you can back that one up. Why yes, I'm quite certain the obvious sockpuppet troll account can explain exactly every single dent in it's tinfoil hat (to protect it from the EVIL GOONCP MIND CONTROL RAYGUNS) to us. I really, really wish there was a forum setting so that we could auto-ignore anyone NOT IN GOONSWARMFLEETWAFFE any characters under say, 90 days old, with under 60k skillpoints, et cetera. While we all love our newbies over in Goonswarm, the CCP forum model makes sockpuppet trolling absurdly, insultingly, easy.
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
441
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man.
Tal
It would seem you don't.
Yeah
Tal
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baltec1
1452
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:20:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man.
Tal
It would seem you don't. Yeah Tal
Glad you agree. |
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
441
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:baltec1 wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Yeah despite the spin everyone knows what it is. Go away little man.
Tal
It would seem you don't. Yeah Tal Glad you agree.
I'm gald your a ret*rd
Tal |
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ISD Stensson
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
8
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Posted - 2012.06.15 17:37:00 -
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Thread locked due to excessive off topic. ISD Stensson Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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