Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP

Some of the yield...you meant 1/3rd of the yield right?

But hey, it mines better than a FRIGATE, how could we possibly complain?

Personally, I'm gonna just stick to tanking my Hulk and paying attention, unless they plan to really up the input you get from the new procurer/skiff. Last time I checked, you can only mount one laser to both of these right?

The post above does contain very hopeful info though...if the yield is less, but not a whole lot less, this stuff will be great.

Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP

Grath, stop crying.

The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.

I heard the Lion King theme in my head when I read this.
NAAAAAAaaants ingonyaamaaaaaaaa bagithi Baba
And there was much rejoicing.

Barge in on me

Changing the mining frigates to have combat roles made us realize that we need something to replace them. Which lead us to realize how outdated mining barges are. ThatGÇÖs something we want to tackle over the course of the summer as well.
Our goal is simple: each and every single mining barge (and their tech 2 variant) should have an appealing role, and not just be a stepping stone on the way to something better. Players should'nt only aim for the Hulk without considering anything else when doing some hard rock and roll mining. That means playing with the following variables:

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.
Autonomy: mining barges should have proper cargo holds so they not always have to rely on jet cans (without turning them into industrials however). That means giving them large, specialized ore bays where all the ore will automatically go into when mining.
Resilience: another point is to give some of them proper EHP not to be one-shot by anything that even remotely sneezes on them.


As a result we thus get:

New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

Hooo boy. Wiping away those laughter tears.

Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.

OMG forbid they ever nerf your PI tax rates by 66%. We will never hear the end of it.

Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.

The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.

Hooo boy. Wiping away those laughter tears.

Taking off 2 strippers to leave the ONE that the silly ship even holds.............yessir, that is only SOME yield I guess.

OMG forbid they ever nerf your PI tax rates by 66%. We will never hear the end of it.

Or give up 66% yield of your OTECMoons. There we go.

My impression is that CCCP won't change the current mining system and its semi-AFK-friendly current status (before <3 Goons) and they'd like to bring that back. IIRC once or twice they had admitted the above pretty explicitly.

Anyway, I could be more interested in the Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similar to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP (how much less?) than the procurer mining barge.

Barge in on me

Changing the mining frigates to have combat roles made us realize that we need something to replace them. Which lead us to realize how outdated mining barges are. ThatGÇÖs something we want to tackle over the course of the summer as well.
Our goal is simple: each and every single mining barge (and their tech 2 variant) should have an appealing role, and not just be a stepping stone on the way to something better. Players should'nt only aim for the Hulk without considering anything else when doing some hard rock and roll mining. That means playing with the following variables:

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.
Autonomy: mining barges should have proper cargo holds so they not always have to rely on jet cans (without turning them into industrials however). That means giving them large, specialized ore bays where all the ore will automatically go into when mining.
Resilience: another point is to give some of them proper EHP not to be one-shot by anything that even remotely sneezes on them.


As a result we thus get:

New ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.
Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.
Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

Now please kindly shut the hell up.


Oh and I'm gonna go ahead and spoil it for you, Battleship HP will help, but all the HP in world wont stop people from nuking you, but at least this change may push the threshold too high for people to want to gank solo miners.


The trade off for your safety will be that you must give up some of your yield and hold to gain this advantage.

My impression is that CCCP won't change the current mining system and its semi-AFK-friendly current status (before <3 Goons) and they'd like to bring that back. IIRC once or twice they had admitted the above pretty explicitly.

My impression is that CCCP won't change the current mining system and its semi-AFK-friendly current status (before <3 Goons) and they'd like to bring that back. IIRC once or twice they had admitted the above pretty explicitly.

Anyway, I could be more interested in the Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similar to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP (how much less?) than the procurer mining barge.