Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72890

Ok I know some hulls will not only get bonuses, but some HUGE bonuses (see retriever and procurer). But what about the hulk? We spent months, many months, to be able to get that few % more yeld and now you boost hulls like the procurer and the retriever which no one never cared about?

Did you CCP thought about afk miners aka bot users? It looks like the perfect revamp for them, while not exactly for the serious miners aka hulk pilots and those mining in fleet. Actually when I read stuff like



I doubt up there anyone is considering now a covetor can fit a 2nd mlu (with the cpu implant) so it already received quite a huge bonus recently, which is another way to say hulk has been nerfed since it still cost 10 times more than a covetor and cannot mine not even 2 times more than it.

So, before I start writing nonsense (prolly I'm too late already) I'd like to hear your thoughts

yeah buffin the procurer and giving the retriever 27500 m3 of ore bay + a nearly bs tank will make everybody happy LoL

Unfortunately serious miners fly in hulks and they will get no bonuses but an 8k-ish ore bay (cool 1 more cycle afk for me). All the highsec gankers will have to gank hulks (and covetors eventually) so....... where is the buff please? Spending 2 weeks to fly a retriever Vs spending 3 months to mine decently in a hulk (not to mention orca boosting) with no benefit but an 8k-ish ore hold? Everything done under the the golden rule that "an hulk mine too much"

sure, that's a buff for bot users and afk miners.

edit: anyway you're right, I modified the title, "only" hulks will get nerf'd, noob mining barges will be shiny ;)

Retriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.

Procurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72890

Ok I know some hulls will not only get bonuses, but some HUGE bonuses (see retriever and procurer). But what about the hulk? We spent months, many months, to be able to get that few % more yeld and now you boost hulls like the procurer and the retriever which no one never cared about?

Did you CCP thought about afk miners aka bot users? It looks like the perfect revamp for them, while not exactly for the serious miners aka hulk pilots and those mining in fleet. Actually when I read stuff like



I doubt up there anyone is considering now a covetor can fit a 2nd mlu (with the cpu implant) so it already received quite a huge bonus recently, which is another way to say hulk has been nerfed since it still cost 10 times more than a covetor and cannot mine not even 2 times more than it.

These threads that basically say "I worked hard for what I got and they don't, it's not fair!" are getting tiresome.

i can't help but laugh at the baseless crying.

people will still be flying hulks in null for the yield

procurers in highsec for the anti-gank

the only reason to use a mackinaw is....

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Believe me I'm not against the fact the game has to change, the problem is that changes doesn't go in any precise direction other than unbalancing previous mechanics badly. A lot of things have been requested by "serious miners" to change mining, none of them was similar to: "make the retriever a mining bs with the cargobay of a mammoth" LOL.

sorry but it's tiresome to train 3 months to fly a sucking-roids-thing that cost half a plex (more than that actually)

iprocurers in highsec for the anti-gank

sorry? WUT??? procurer? I knew it existed but I don't even know why I knew it. Never ever saw one anywhere.

I understand the need to make each ship have its place but I can't help but feel like us Hulk miners have just got the raw end of a shiny deal.

how so, we've still got the highest yield mining ship in the game.

Our competition just got quite a major boost, more miners sitting afk with large holds means more sellers on the market. These non-pro additional miners will care less about selling for a proper market value and more for quick sells so they will be undercutting us. High yield means nothing if what we sell is dropping in price due to additional supply and more people after a quick buck.

We still sit there in glass rock suckers with a boost to our hold size that if you are mining with an orca you dont use anyway.

You used the word nerf, when you should have used the word buff.

Except that now some Hulk pilots who are getting tired of sitting in a paper ship with a giant target painted on it will move to lower yields and more safety, or lower yields but less jet-canning. Besides, Hulks don't get the bigger hold, Retrievers and Mackinaws get the bigger hold.

They're giving you incentives to not fly your Hulk, or if you are training up, it gives you a viable place to stop training if you want to go in another direction. This gives the game more options, which is good for the game. Only the self-entitled would think this is a bad thing.

Ok you must be stupid but I'll oblige you.

I have already stated that the hold increase for hulks is laughable as it is pointless the real increases were for lower skill ships.

Why should I have incentives to not fly the top of the line ship that I have spent time training for? that argument is ridiculous, us miners are already bottom of the isk foodchain and you think it's perfectly alright to step even further down???

No one was stopping people training at retrievers before except now if they do they still end up with better yield and more afk ability.

People that think my way are not self entitled we are entitled by the time we have spent training. If anything the hulk should be boosted but the skill requirements should also be increased. It should not be possible to reach the top of the mining tree in a couple of months.

No he's right, they may end up lower the hulk and mack maximum yield while raise the others a little to balance the ships.. this would end up being a nerf if that is the case.. we'll see . nothing is written in stone according to the blog.

Mining output: first and most visible balancing factor, plan is to increase all barge mining output to be within an acceptable margin of the Hulk, not miles behind as it is currently.

I just re-read the blog and it said no such thing. What it did say though is this:



Which only says that they intend to buff the other barges to near-Hulk status.