The original poster is in my opinion, completely right. I mine in nullsec in a Hulk so therefore i literally cannot take my eyes of local for more than 30 seconds, once this NERF, yes, NERF, goes live i will be punished by AFK noobs in highsec mining in a safe environment with a ridiculous ore bay sitting there pulling in a good amount of ORE compared to my yield, refining it in a max yield station and then selling it in Jita dragging mineral prices down while all they did is press F1 and F2, while i have to pay constant attention to a boring activity.

I am telling you right now, mineral prices are going to absolutely plummet. Which is disgusting if they don't balance the economy in other areas. Someone who hasn't trained into mining at all, can put 5 days in gas harvesting V and make more isk in 1 hour than i can in 3. Similarly a uber carebear Machariel pilot can run belts and sites all day and make more isk in 1 hour than i can in 3. So please CCP tell me how this is fair.

I spent 3 lousy months when i started EVE training for this hulk, and with this nerf i shall see my isk per hour drop to a ridiculous level, i could probably make more ISK ratting belts in a battle cruiser.

CCP need to nerf highsec mining, buff hulks, inject better asteroids into Nullsec and Lowsec rather than give a botters a good time running 10 accounts.

Also ship prices will plummet while ratters will still make the same amount of ISK so they can have fun time affording to PVP in whatever they want, while i suffer. Yes i am a pvper who owns a hulk, i cannot at this stage fly a decent ratting ship, nor should i have to.

....CCP need to nerf highsec mining, buff hulks, inject better asteroids into Nullsec and Lowsec rather than give a botters a good time running 10 accounts.

Also ship prices will plummet while ratters will still make the same amount of ISK so they can have fun time affording to PVP in whatever they want, while i suffer. Yes i am a pvper who owns a hulk, i cannot at this stage fly a decent ratting ship, nor should i have to.

What ship can suicide gank Damnation? Probably wouldn't matter if it shoots back because as we all know Damnation's dps is something you don't want to speak about.

The original poster is in my opinion, completely right. I mine in nullsec in a Hulk so therefore i literally cannot take my eyes of local for more than 30 seconds, once this NERF, yes, NERF, goes live i will be punished by AFK noobs in highsec mining in a safe environment with a ridiculous ore bay sitting there pulling in a good amount of ORE compared to my yield, refining it in a max yield station and then selling it in Jita dragging mineral prices down while all they did is press F1 and F2, while i have to pay constant attention to a boring activity.

Someone who hasn't trained into mining at all, can put 5 days in gas harvesting V and make more isk in 1 hour than i can in 3.

Similarly a uber carebear Machariel pilot can run belts and sites all day and make more isk in 1 hour than i can in 3.

I spent 3 lousy months when i started EVE training for this hulk, and with this nerf i shall see my isk per hour drop to a ridiculous level, i could probably make more ISK ratting belts in a battle cruiser.

Also ship prices will plummet while ratters will still make the same amount of ISK so they can have fun time affording to PVP in whatever they want, while i suffer. Yes i am a pvper who owns a hulk, i cannot at this stage fly a decent ratting ship, nor should i have to.

A properly tanked Hulk can be destroyed with one ship.

Not in a suicide gank.

A fact that has been pointed out so many times when you lie about it.

A Tornado with 11K alpha is touch and go in a 0.5 space on a Hulk with 30K tank.
If the Tornado pilot does not draw Concord away from the Hulk, he only gets 2 shots in and dies before killing the Hulk.

IF he has an alt draw Concord away, he might get off 3 shots and bye bye Hulk.

And the Hulk pilot gets a warning from someone in Local going GCC.

Not in a suicide gank.

A fact that has been pointed out so many times when you lie about it.

Well, it's not even near profitable, but it can be done. Don't know if there's someone stupid enough to do it.

[Hulk, Tankit]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

That's not properly tanked.

40.8k EHP vs Void and still enough tank that 2 volleys from a Nado won't kill it.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Quite big EM resist hole you have there.

I prefer this fit with a shield harmonizing link (preferably with a max skill mindlinked siege booster in a Tengu).

If you leave one or two of the T2 hardeners off, you can set to overheat, and activate when you get nervous. Hardeners last for about 2 minutes or so, and you can carry paste in the Orca if it was a false alarm.

[Hulk, EHP]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5

Quite big EM resist hole you have there.

Whops, must have forgotten to recheck my vs. Nado EHPs.

This'll hit your 28k EHP vs EMP and 34.8k vs Null

And a T2 Talos does 32.5k damage before Concord.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Assuming miner is AFK (we are talking about hisec miner here after all), no fleet bonuses (again we are talking about hisec miner here) and ganker has way too much money:

[Oracle, expensive gankOracle]

Ahremen's Modified Heat Sink
Ahremen's Modified Heat Sink
Ahremen's Modified Heat Sink
Ahremen's Modified Heat Sink
[Empty Low slot]
[Empty Low slot]

[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Medium Energy Burst Aerator I
Medium Energy Collision Accelerator I
[Empty Rig slot]


Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Gunnery RF-905
Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1005

But seriously, you're using faction and officer mods on a suicide gank ship. What the hell is your point?

You get faction items from every rat in null and officers spawn every 20 mins (and you can even solo them).

And gankers are null people who try to teach carebears how this game should be played.

...

Trying to troll doesn't work when you've developed a history of being exactly that dense.

Unless the link is self explanatory* as to relevance and such, it helps to explain why you link something.

*and concisely so; I'm not reading 29 pages to try to suss out relevance

You only need to read first page. Only relevant part is what God of EVE says. Everything else in that thread is irrelevant.

That's not a sentence

I'm surprised that after all these years there are people that can't see one change's effect past the devblog notes...

To all the dumbasses: yes, the buff of the mining barges is a nerf of the hulk. Why? Because hulk will be useless. It already is uselss!! Why use a hulk when you can use a ship that costs 10-20 times less and has roughly the same yield? So yes, all barges receive a role at the expense of Hulk's role. That's stupid.

To the idiots bashing the carebears: if there were no carebears you'd have to mine all the minerals yourselves and build the ships and the modules and do that very inefficiently. You wouldn't even have time to blow that ship you just built. So stop being idiots and be glad for every buff of the industrial side of the game.

the hulk is not useless, why use a hulk? because it has the best m3/cycle in the game.

Depends on the Hulk-tank after this changes. Currently, you have to use a Gistii b-type ssb and logistic drones to handle rat-aggro in Null-sec belts. If the hulks tank gets nerfed down to not beeing able to tank belt-rats for atleast a decent time anymore, the hulk gets less useful (I use it myself as a fleet miner, but if they change it to a point at which I need combat-supporters, I'll switch to another barge).

Depends on the Hulk-tank after this changes. Currently, you have to use a Gistii b-type ssb and logistic drones to handle rat-aggro in Null-sec belts. If the hulks tank gets nerfed down to not beeing able to tank belt-rats for atleast a decent time anymore, the hulk gets less useful (I use it myself as a fleet miner, but if they change it to a point at which I need combat-supporters, I'll switch to another barge).

or just swap ship and **** the rats like i do.
to be honest the erratic spawns are the worst part about belt spawns. often i can go an hour between spawns, other times i get 1 cycle before the rats come back.

edit; case in point, i just killed rats, docked my ship, undocked in my hulk, as soon as i get back to the belts, third set of rats in under 20 mins. irony is, this is probably more isk/hr than 20 mins uninterrupted mining.

Is there even a chance of the tank of a hulk getting nerfed down? According to the blog it and the covetor will have "little to average" EHP. But that's compared to the other mining barges & exhumers which are going to now stretch up to BS-levels of defense. If anything I'd expect the hulk's defenses to increase.

Well, I use combat drones to kill'em. If this isn't possible after those changes because my hulk blows up before I can kill them, I could get used to it and take the yield-hit to switch to a more tanky ship instead.