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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:34:00 -
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I haven't read this thread yet, but I wanted to bring up a long standing point (and contention) with the NEX store, and it seems like a good opportunity to do so given the fresh eyes of the esteemed CCP Unifex.
Aurum is still a very sore spot for a large number of players, after the Incarna debacle and whatnot. One of the major needs of a microtransaction game is a way to acquire the goods for free. While PLEX conversion does give the opportunity for players to acquire Aurum without paying cash, the situation remains that it is impossible to acquire Aurum without having someone spend cash on them. Given the march of time, I think the time is right to add a truly free acquisition option for Aurum.
At the current time, one Aurum costs approximately 200,000 ISK when acquired through PLEX. What players currently lack, and what would probably significantly improve the reception of the NEX store and its contents, is an option to acquire Aurum for ISK at a cost of 250,000 to 300,000 a unit. An unfavorable exchange rate maintains the preference for cash while giving players the option to, in truth, not pay anything more for Eve Online than they already are. This would also create a new ISK sink for the game.
What do you think? |
None ofthe Above
218
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:43:00 -
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I think this is a good measured step at finding a path forward for NEX, AUR and avatars past the wounds of Incarna
Love the FW angle. FW Uniforms without involving AUR is a great idea.
Letting the art assets be released rather than sitting around is very good too. Must have been frustrating for the people that worked on them.
Have to wait and see on new pricing with the NEX and AUR. Do like the trend towards actual microtransactions, even if I would prefer to pay in ISK.
Re: Peoples investment and keeping the old pricing for old items. Probably the right move for now. In the long run, early adopters commonly pay more for things and the market settles down to cheaper more reasonable prices over time. That's fine. Probably best to have patience on this respect though. Honestly I doubt few folks have purchased clothing as investment opportunities, if they did there was plenty if indications that this was a potentially risky investment. So wouldn't worry too terribly much about that, but patience and slow change is advised.
Anyway, thanks for the courage to revisit this. Looking forward to seeing how it works out.
CCP Unifex wrote:Valeo Galaem wrote:
Hint: start by giving out something wearable to new players when they complete the tutorial.
Great idea, will pass this on to the guys working on NPE.
Graduation cap and gown? (Sorry for the inevitable hats digression)
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Dezolf
DAX Action Stance
17
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:47:00 -
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Am I the only one wondering what "Nexon" is? o.O
Edit:
Also, when can we have MOAR piercings at random locations of ones face? You know, like the old minmatar. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
805
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:50:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:June 19th? As in next thursday?Then I am so bloomingly happy to have reactivated this account for precisely this month...  No, June 19th is on Tuesday
Tuesday, Thursday, you should just call them Marsday and Joveday, you heathen. 
EVE is Serious Business: You shall not feel entitled to being allowed to play EVE just because you are paying it. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:54:00 -
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Evelgrivion wrote:
Aurum is still a very sore spot for a large number of players
Aurum is still a very sore spot for a small but very vocal number of players.
There, that's more like the truth.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
1784
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:54:00 -
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CCP Unifex wrote:Swidgen wrote:Brunaburh wrote:Seems like the only thing missing is a miniskirt... and little mirrors for your shoes I hear some people are also pretty keen on various types of hat. (Paging Seleene...)
Hi I want a nice red beret, a top hat and JUST MAKE SOME HATS SHEESH!!
Seriously, very pleased with this approach. The CSM was consulted on this at the summit and I'm happy to see things moving forward in a very sensible way.
CSM 7 Chairman
My Blog - Where I say stuff
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2012.06.15 19:55:00 -
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Dezolf wrote:Am I the only one wondering what "Nexon" is? o.O
The Nexon Valdez, a freighter carrying PI products that got suicide ganked near an ice planet.
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy
153
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:00:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:Evelgrivion wrote:
Aurum is still a very sore spot for a large number of players
Aurum is still a very sore spot for a small but very vocal number of players. There, that's more like the truth.
Even if it is a small number of players, is it really okay to dismiss their concerns and consternation out of hand? Not everyone who is against Aurum is shouting it from the rooftops, after all. |
Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated
Broken Chains Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:02:00 -
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I'll say this one final time: **** off with your microtransactions. Everything should be producable by players for ingame resources. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
120
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:03:00 -
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And here I was almost hoping that CCP might be considering removing all microtransactions from EVE. Silly me.
PLEX is bad enough, but Aurum is just bullshit. If you're going to keep doing this, then keep it very very low key or you'll lose an otherwise not-so-bitter vet. Buying in-game crap for real money fucks with the sandbox and it fucks with immersion, and it's not a good ******* either.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Anvil44
Independent Traders and Builders
MPA
98
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:04:00 -
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Clothing in loot? Sure why not? I can go with that. Same old blah clothing? Not so exciting. I hope that as new clothing items are slowly developed, I can get a cloak or a cape (Lando Calrissian look for me). Also, work on some more 'futuristic clothing' as time and resources permit. Most people dress little differently than they do today. With so many people in the eve universe (not just pod pilots but the poor land-locked saps as well), clothing should be all over the place in styles and colours.
Be nice to have more varied choices available in general as well since pod pilots should have access to stuff all the time. They are the elite of humanity in the Eve universe.
I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
122
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:09:00 -
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See, that's one thing that the previous CSM seemed to get all wrong. The primary source of outrage wasn't that CCP was developing ambulation ... sorry, Incarna ... instead of spaceships. The primary source of outrage was "Monoclegate" which, incidentally, had very little to do with outrageous prices and everything to do with real money prices in a sandbox game. It's about the most un-EVE-like thing I can think of off the top of my head, right up there with elves, magic missiles, level 4 missions, and consequence-free death.
By all means, give us a useful way of existing outside of our pods. But don't tie it (or anything else outside of our subscriptions) in with the size of our real-world bank accounts. That's what the subscription fee is for. Keep the sandbox pure.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
723
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:18:00 -
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Evelgrivion wrote:I wanted to bring up a long standing point (and contention) with the NEX store, and it seems like a good opportunity to do so given the fresh eyes of the esteemed CCP Unifex.
Aurum is still a very sore spot for a large number of players, after the Incarna debacle and whatnot. One of the major needs of a microtransaction game is a way to acquire the goods for free. While PLEX conversion does give the opportunity for players to acquire Aurum without paying cash, the situation remains that it is impossible to acquire Aurum without having someone spend cash on them. Given the march of time, I think the time is right to add a truly free acquisition option for Aurum.
At the current time, one Aurum costs approximately 200,000 ISK when acquired through PLEX. What players currently lack, and what would probably significantly improve the reception of the NEX store and its contents, is an option to acquire Aurum for ISK at a cost of 250,000 to 300,000 a unit. An unfavorable exchange rate maintains the preference for cash while giving players the option to, in truth, not pay anything more for Eve Online than they already are. This would also create a new ISK sink for the game.
What do you think?
I got no issue with Aurum being created from real money as the only way for it to come into existence. But I do think players should be able to sell it to each other for ISK.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ibrahim Khashanti
Metropolis Risk Management
0
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:20:00 -
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I like the move. Avatar clothing isn't my focus in this game, but sometimes a long haul or boring gate camp requires checking out what other people are wearing. And I confess, I'll probably drop a few dollars for S&G's.
My recommendations: hats, gloves, or even space suits of some kind. I mean who wants to be covered in pod goo? |
Lilliana Stelles
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Flatline.
35
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:26:00 -
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Clothing in the LP store? Why are you giving us Christmas presents in the middle of the summer, CPP? <3 |
Ibrahim Khashanti
Metropolis Risk Management
0
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:27:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Evelgrivion wrote:I wanted to bring up a long standing point (and contention) with the NEX store, and it seems like a good opportunity to do so given the fresh eyes of the esteemed CCP Unifex.
Aurum is still a very sore spot for a large number of players, after the Incarna debacle and whatnot. One of the major needs of a microtransaction game is a way to acquire the goods for free. While PLEX conversion does give the opportunity for players to acquire Aurum without paying cash, the situation remains that it is impossible to acquire Aurum without having someone spend cash on them. Given the march of time, I think the time is right to add a truly free acquisition option for Aurum.
At the current time, one Aurum costs approximately 200,000 ISK when acquired through PLEX. What players currently lack, and what would probably significantly improve the reception of the NEX store and its contents, is an option to acquire Aurum for ISK at a cost of 250,000 to 300,000 a unit. An unfavorable exchange rate maintains the preference for cash while giving players the option to, in truth, not pay anything more for Eve Online than they already are. This would also create a new ISK sink for the game.
What do you think? I got no issue with Aurum being created from real money as the only way for it to come into existence. But I do think players should be able to sell it to each other for ISK.
In game currency trading...... Now there's an idea. Imagine if all four empires had their own currencies. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
82
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:35:00 -
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This is clearly an omen of the end of the world predicted by Mayans for 2012.
Thanks, CCP! Finally
P.S. Now, please, develop multi-avatar station halls with chat bubbles depending on my active chat channel. |
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CCP Unifex
C C P
C C P Alliance
140
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:37:00 -
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Ibrahim Khashanti wrote:
In game currency trading...... Now there's an idea. Imagine if all four empires had their own currencies.
I think Dr Eyjo just had a panic attack
Senior Producer of EVE Online |
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CCP Unifex
C C P
C C P Alliance
140
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:38:00 -
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Anvil44 wrote: ...Also, work on some more 'futuristic clothing' as time and resources permit. Most people currently dress little differently in the Eve universe than they do today in the real world. With so many people in the eve universe (not just pod pilots but the poor land-locked saps as well), clothing should be all over the place in styles and colours.
Be nice to have more varied choices available in general as well since pod pilots should have access to stuff all the time. They are the elite of humanity in the Eve universe.
If this test proves successful this is exactly the kind of thing I would like to investigate.
Senior Producer of EVE Online |
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Ivan Ward
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:40:00 -
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Will this mean that you are going to sell belts in that shop of yours?
"Hot pilots we have problems too, we're just like you." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8003
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:42:00 -
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So we have 200 AUR/$, 166 AUR/$, 150 AUR/$ and 120 AUR/$-áprice pointsGǪ
Are you trying to manipulate PLEX prices, CCP? 
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Murashu
Phoibe Enterprises
41
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:42:00 -
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I 'm glad that you are finally releasing new clothing, but does everything have to be a part of a military uniform? I've been in the Army for 22 years and the last thing I want to wear when I'm relaxing around the house is a uniform. When can we expect to see something non-militant? |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
451
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:44:00 -
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CCP Unifex wrote:Anvil44 wrote: ...Also, work on some more 'futuristic clothing' as time and resources permit. Most people currently dress little differently in the Eve universe than they do today in the real world. With so many people in the eve universe (not just pod pilots but the poor land-locked saps as well), clothing should be all over the place in styles and colours.
Be nice to have more varied choices available in general as well since pod pilots should have access to stuff all the time. They are the elite of humanity in the Eve universe. If this test proves successful this is exactly the kind of thing I would like to investigate.
Will those outfits that were available on SiSi a few months ago be in the Tuesday release? They looked quite futuristic to me
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
159
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:52:00 -
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I think you should make it so you can view the full body avatars here on the forums as well like you can in the game where you can spin them and so on. Might get people to buy even more of the clothing and so on if we could see them full body in the forum as well. Dunno if would actually be possible, but it is a thought.
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The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:53:00 -
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Mechael wrote:See, that's one thing that the previous CSM seemed to get all wrong. The primary source of outrage wasn't that CCP was developing ambulation ... sorry, Incarna ... instead of spaceships. The primary source of outrage was "Monoclegate" which, incidentally, had very little to do with outrageous prices and everything to do with real money prices in a sandbox game. It's about the most un-EVE-like thing I can think of off the top of my head, right up there with elves, magic missiles, level 4 missions, and consequence-free death.
By all means, give us a useful way of existing outside of our pods. But don't tie it (or anything else outside of our subscriptions) in with the size of our real-world bank accounts. That's what the subscription fee is for. Keep the sandbox pure.
I thought the outrage was because CCP spent millions of dollars and years of developer time on what was supposed to be a really cool project, and instead all we got was a rusty studio apartment with trash on the floor that we couldn't pick up.
We couldn't even have people hang out, not that we wanted to with that mess on the floor.
Self-appointed forums hallway monitor |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
150
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Posted - 2012.06.15 20:53:00 -
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So long as skins never hit ships, and the items are WiS cosmetic, im cool with this. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
122
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:00:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:Mechael wrote:See, that's one thing that the previous CSM seemed to get all wrong. The primary source of outrage wasn't that CCP was developing ambulation ... sorry, Incarna ... instead of spaceships. The primary source of outrage was "Monoclegate" which, incidentally, had very little to do with outrageous prices and everything to do with real money prices in a sandbox game. It's about the most un-EVE-like thing I can think of off the top of my head, right up there with elves, magic missiles, level 4 missions, and consequence-free death.
By all means, give us a useful way of existing outside of our pods. But don't tie it (or anything else outside of our subscriptions) in with the size of our real-world bank accounts. That's what the subscription fee is for. Keep the sandbox pure. I thought the outrage was because CCP spent millions of dollars and years of developer time on what was supposed to be a really cool project, and instead all we got was a rusty studio apartment with trash on the floor that we couldn't pick up. We couldn't even have people hang out, not that we wanted to with that mess on the floor.
Yeah, I remember watching the focus visibly shift of the course of a few months from, "WTF GET MICROTRANSACTIONS OUT OF THE ******* SANDBOX!" to "Why u no build spaceship? Why Incarna so bad?"
I think that most of EVE has been the proverbial frog boiled in a pot. Turn the temp up slowly enough and it won't even realize it's dying.
Ah well. If this microtransaction **** gets out of hand (read: anything beyond PLEX and clothing items,) I'm gone. If custom paint jobs for your ships (when they're released) are priced in Aurum, I'm gone. Aurum needs to be removed, and failing that it needs to be left alone to fade away into obscurity.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
226
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:00:00 -
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I see the butique with cloths more importants than ship balances in internet spaceship game. YAY |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
236
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:08:00 -
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The rage was because of several reasons
1. So much time/resources spent on WIS stuff and what we got was ****. Captains quarters was all we got. If CCP had delivered a much better WIS product, it would have been better
2. NEX prices were outrageous. More affordable prices would not have caused much rage
3. CEO's email bragging about making money from NEX. lol, no comment needed here
4. Overall thought of Eve turning into "pay to win"
If CCP had managed these issues better, Jita would not have burned
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Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours.
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Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
122
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Posted - 2012.06.15 21:12:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:The rage was because of several reasons
1. So much time/resources spent on WIS stuff and what we got was ****. Captains quarters was all we got. If CCP had delivered a much better WIS product, it would have been better
2. NEX prices were outrageous. More affordable prices would not have caused much rage
3. CEO's email bragging about making money from NEX. lol, no comment needed here
4. Overall thought of Eve turning into "pay to win"
If CCP had managed these issues better, Jita would not have burned
All of that stuff was poorly handled, absolutely. The root problem though is that microtransactions do not belong in a game like EVE. Period.
I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
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