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Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
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Posted - 2012.06.15 23:57:00 -
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Mechael wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:This isn't happening. In a very real sense, it is. I can pay real money for (items which come from literally nowhere that I can sell for) ISK. Tyberius Franklin wrote:The items are of a type that has had absolutely no history of player manufacture We should give them one, and be done with this insulting Aurum business. Tyberius Franklin wrote: and in no way is diminishing gameplay. Furthermore they have no effect or influence on other mechanics of the game. Couldn't be more wrong here. Real money should not equal ISK. Ever. Even if it's just paying a penny once a year to get 0.01 ISK (at which point, who really cares except for people with ethics who understand the principle of the thing?) Unless of course we want to compromise the integrity of this virtual world and make it into something that is basically a whole lot more like Second Life. Aurum is insulting.
you cant really say it comes from nowhere. When you buy a PLEX with cash, it represents the service of Game Time from CCP. you can then choose to sell that service for Isk or Aurum. Nothing is being created from thin air... something of value is indeed being exchanged for something else of value. If you consider this pay to win, then nobody can help you. Game time has value in Isk and real money, and you have been able to use real money to make it isk for a long time now.... Attaching aurum to this equation is not game breaking. You can use this system to turn your isk into aurum, just like you can turn it into plex.
There is nothing they are introducing, even the stuff for aurum only, that you cannot get by using your isk to turn it into your new shiney...
Now if you are going to get mad about some clothing popping into existence out of "thin air", then you also need to advocate the elimination of all NPC loot drops. let that one sink in for a moment. How far down that rabbit hole do you want to go? Remove all NPC agent rewards too? Their isk and rewards popped into existence out of nowhere. They didn't buy that stuff off the market. Where do you want to draw this line here? |
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
28
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Posted - 2012.06.15 23:58:00 -
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Rikula wrote: Please ensure you never permanently lower the prices (and keep sales to a short time, if you must do them - I'd rather you not have them at all!). The "for now" part in the quote above worries me.
Players do not control the market for clothes Aurum prices, so please give us some stability and protection of investments.
I think the implication is that the launch lineup will stay at their inflated AUR prices until they go out of production.I am also under the impression that the new items are being sold at their current retail prices, so nothing is currently discounted. The current AUR for PLEX is fairly close to how much the future AUR for cash prices are going for.
The implication is also that stuff will go out of production, so that should help protect your investment and bring the value of the launch NEX items closer to their current AUR prices which are dramatically lower in ISK value.
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Myxx
Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
541
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:06:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Mechael wrote: Couldn't be more wrong here. Real money should not equal ISK. Ever. Even if it's just paying a penny once a year to get 0.01 ISK (at which point, who really cares except for people with ethics who understand the principle of the thing?) Unless of course we want to compromise the integrity of this virtual world and make it into something that is basically a whole lot more like Second Life.
We are far too late for this argument. PLEX created this precedent. PLEX evolved and perpetuated it in incarna when Aurum was created. Like PLEX, Aurum is not isk. PLEX and Aurum represent purchase outside the game and provide a resource that doesn't directly affect gameplay mechanics inside the game. They do, however, both provide a value for which some are willing to trade isk. Mechael wrote:Aurum is insulting. I respectfully disagree. Disagree all you like, it does not change that it takes potential content away from players. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
403
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:13:00 -
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Solhild wrote:CCP Unifex wrote:Good to hear all the suggestions coming in. For those in doubt, the clothes shown in the blog are those you can get in the Factional Warfare Loyalty Point store for LPs+ISK. As mentioned in the blog, we will also be introducing clothing as loot drops in the near future. So, people will be able to get some interesting clothing items without having to spend anything over and above their subscription. Those who want to, will be able to spend to buy some other items from the Nex store. It's all about choice which isn't something we did in the past but we are doing now. You can choose to be involved or not. Each to their own. Live and let live Vastly oversimplified and misses the point. edit: want to buy this ship I just built from the BPO I researched and the materials we mined/reprocessed? - what do you mean, no you just bought one for cash???? SANDBOX
wow no one mention to solhild that there is plex he'd be REAL mad... PLEX FOR PIZZA!
tech III industrial ships! |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
124
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:15:00 -
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Maul555 wrote:Now if you are going to get mad about some clothing popping into existence out of "thin air", then you also need to advocate the elimination of all NPC loot drops. let that one sink in for a moment. How far down that rabbit hole do you want to go? Remove all NPC agent rewards too? Their isk and rewards popped into existence out of nowhere. They didn't buy that stuff off the market. Where do you want to draw this line here?
This should be the ideal to shoot for, honestly. NPC rats spawning from oblivion has never made a lick of sense. It's a theme-park element inside the sandbox, and while it may have been a nice band-aid way back in the day before EVE had any real PvE content, it should never have been a long-term solution. I'd be ecstatic if CCP announced that they were doing away with missions entirely and were developing a way to allow the players themselves to manage EVE's economy (read: no more faucet/sink system.) We'd be a lot closer to a true sandbox, a true ultimate science fiction simulator if we managed to do that. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:16:00 -
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Myxx wrote:Disagree all you like, it does not change that it takes potential content away from players. I can agree with this. Having clothing be NPC seeded through the Aurum is a lost potential profession. Though, considering it is a potential loss and not an actual loss, and also that there are other things I'd rather have CCP doing, many of which they are in one form or another, I'd rather they didn't take alot of time to remove the NEX and even more trying to create another series of supporting assets for an entire new trade profession that in the end produces a product that STILL adds nothing directly to gameplay. |
Sirinda
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
98
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:22:00 -
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Yay! I can play Dress-Up Online again! =D
On the somewhat related topic of more tattoos, when are we getting those? We are getting them eventually, yes? |
Kern Hotha
14
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:27:00 -
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Please give me a way to delete aurum from my wallet without spending it. I don't want to buy anything from the store. I just want aurum gone from my wallet so that I can pretend it never existed. Middle age is when your broad mind and narrow waist begin to change places. -E. Joseph Cossman |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
280
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:33:00 -
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Kern Hotha wrote:Please give me a way to delete aurum from my wallet without spending it. I don't want to buy anything from the store. I just want aurum gone from my wallet so that I can pretend it never existed.
Please give him a way to give me all his aurum. I want to help my capsuleers in need. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
124
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:34:00 -
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Kern Hotha wrote:Please give me a way to delete aurum from my wallet without spending it. I don't want to buy anything from the store. I just want aurum gone from my wallet so that I can pretend it never existed.
I actually petitioned this once, and they told me that it wouldn't make sense for them to delete it from my wallet since they were just going to give me more for free anyway. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
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Maraner
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
150
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:41:00 -
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Yup, for those that dont want to even see the Aurum, an option/tick box to remove it shouldn't be an issue, not gonna happen though.
Look at the rage over the new UI, literally thousands of post and no roll back, just incremental improvements back to what we had before ( if we are lucky) , CCP aint gonna take Aurum out, and the NEX store or whatever it's called is staying. and tbh as long as it is purely cosmetic who cares.
The important stuff is that it does not take away dev time from fixing the core issues that need to be addressed, if the money they make from it is ring fenced to fund more cosmetic stuff, fine. I suspect that when they finally arrive that corporation and alliance logo's on ships will cost you Aurum (unless someone has said otherwise - please feel free to correct me).
Overall I'm glad it's in the game, it adds texture and depth and there are a lot of people that like this stuff, the moment I see gold ammo or P2W game effecting mechanic I suspect it may finish of EVE for many of us.
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Dawiid BenAimaic
Dasa Fern Valley Jamaican Rum Transport Corp
13
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:42:00 -
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i want a blueprint to manufacture clothing. I want everyone in my corp to wear the corp uniform. i want the door in my quarters to open. I want my corp logo painted on my ship. If your pod blows up, you lose your suit. Aurum? I have some but I don't know how I got it or what to do with it. I expect everyone in my corp will end up wearing second hand pirate clothes dropped by belt rats.
I have four children and all five of us enjoy the game. Keep up the great work!
Three out of four of my children have refused to kill the Heiress! |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
124
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Posted - 2012.06.16 00:45:00 -
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I like the cosmetic stuff, too, honestly. It's great, and helps add to the depth and scope of the game. It increases immersion. However, the impact that it could have is nearly completely over-ridden by the fact that every time I see a monocle I cringe and feel that bitter-vet forming deep in my soul that I never really wanted to be there in the first place. Thank you, microtransactions, for ruining what could have been pretty great. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Joe Everyguy
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:00:00 -
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Mechael wrote: Aurum needs to be removed, and failing that it needs to be left alone to fade away into obscurity.
Quoted for emphasis. |
yucci
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:03:00 -
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Tracking Enhancer monocle ? DPS Pants, or Super tank boots, then I might use Aurum, otherwise i'll just ignore it. |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:05:00 -
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yucci wrote:Tracking Enhancer monocle ? DPS Pants, or Super tank boots, then I might use Aura, otherwise i'll just ignore it. Super Tank Top, preferably. Support Aegis Destroyers: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97610 |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:10:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Salpun wrote:Boffles wrote:One minor point, what is the point of more cloths when no one else can see them ? There is a dev blog talking about that issue but they have not released it yet. Probably want to get this one out first. When you show info on someone, you can click their portrait and then do "View full body" and see clothes and the whole character. You can even spin people! I LOVE the new clothes, Punkturis deserves to be dressed in something nice
You can spin people?
*Testing*
Why is there no count on the amount of spins?... |
Tequila Breeze
Austudy The Welfare State
36
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:16:00 -
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Corp and Alliance logo jackets and tournament logo jackets and a jacket marking each year in game, sort of stuff ? A jacket that drips blood all over when your walking around in your CQ works off your killboard count. :)
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Rikula
Opur
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Posted - 2012.06.16 02:24:00 -
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Celeste Taylor wrote:
I think the implication is that the launch lineup will stay at their inflated AUR prices until they go out of production.I am also under the impression that the new items are being sold at their current retail prices, so nothing is currently discounted. The current AUR for PLEX is fairly close to how much the future AUR for cash prices are going for.
The implication is also that stuff will go out of production, so that should help protect your investment and bring the value of the launch NEX items closer to their current AUR prices which are dramatically lower in ISK value.
That reading had crossed my mind, but the statement is ambiguous. Your interpretation is certainly plausible, but I said what I did just in case the other interpretation was correct.
Indeed taking them off the market would be better for those who have invested! Especially if they do that *before* allowing players to transfer AUR (monocles and marshal coats will drastically devalue if AUR transfer between players is enabled before they are removed). |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
587
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Posted - 2012.06.16 03:08:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:Ribikoka wrote:I see the butique with cloths more importants than ship balances in internet spaceship game. YAY Oh stop it. They are working on ship balancing and have had these clothes done for months. Besides it is not just and internet spaceship game. It is a sandbox which has spaceships and planets and stations and space people who don't want to go naked. Oh yes. That's why the cloths coming in august and few frigs will come with winter patch.
Pls make an unsub thread like the rest of the whiners the moment those clothes come into the Nexfail
Only a few devs do other stuff then working on Spaceflight The majority of them is trying to please idiots like you and working on the spacepart of this game. So crying for mommy that CCP is doing ohter stuff is idiotic
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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Lost True
Paradise project
28
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Posted - 2012.06.16 03:36:00 -
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At last, something interesting Waiting for a patch... Waiting for WiS for 4 years now. Discussion thread about WiS
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Lost True
Paradise project
28
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Posted - 2012.06.16 03:44:00 -
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Whiners - STFU and go fly your spaceships.
There is a people who really wants to customize their characters more. It's a fact.
And if there will be an items that i really like - i don't give a damn how much it's will cost. And more than that: i prefer that items that i like will be in a high price class, so there will be less ppl wearing the same clothes. Waiting for WiS for 4 years now. Discussion thread about WiS
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Bulyeowoo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:00:00 -
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Lost True wrote:Whiners - STFU and go fly your spaceships.
There is a people who really wants to customize their characters more. It's a fact.
And if there will be an items that i really like - i don't give a damn how much it's will cost. And more than that: i prefer that items that i like will be in a high price class, so there will be less ppl wearing the same clothes. Not everyone is rich. I would rather they keep the prices below $5 for everything. |
RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:03:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ribikoka wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:Ribikoka wrote:I see the butique with cloths more importants than ship balances in internet spaceship game. YAY Oh stop it. They are working on ship balancing and have had these clothes done for months. Besides it is not just and internet spaceship game. It is a sandbox which has spaceships and planets and stations and space people who don't want to go naked. Oh yes. That's why the cloths coming in august and few frigs will come with winter patch. Pls make an unsub thread like the rest of the whiners the moment those clothes come into the Nexfail Only a few devs do other stuff then working on Spaceflight The majority of them is trying to please idiots like you and working on the spacepart of this game. So crying for mommy that CCP is doing ohter stuff is idiotic lol got called an idiot by a barbie dressup lover |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
884
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:24:00 -
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yay!
NEX IS DEAD. no more 70$ bullshit, how in the world did CCP think that was a good idea? and you know whats scary? they had 200 more items to sell fully finished art. So that means they will going to price all of that for real money at real life prices.
Now hopefully we will see more and more NON NEX WiS stuff.Nex is terrible. Oh and on that note, please release free versions of everything in the nex store, and then release special color dyes and variations for the Nex Store. This is how it alwasy should of been, I'm pretty sure they thought the NeX store was going to be so popular it would replace the income for the game. When in fact it should be an addition to a game. selling things like dust does. Oh boy the same thing but red! i want it! for money!
Having so much stuff locked away in a cash shop, in a pay to play mmo is beyond stupid so much it makes me want to hurt things. : / Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Saracena
Infinatech
12
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:27:00 -
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Tequila Breeze wrote:any way I could use AUR and buy my old Inventory UI back ?
What she said.
Will actually use my AUR if that's what I can get.
edit: and honestly, if you think more clothes is gonna do it for the nex store, meh. Look at the numbers in a month. Add the option to buy back old ui or breast implants and you will see that **** get spent pdq. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
884
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:28:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Ribikoka wrote:J3ssica Alba wrote:Ribikoka wrote:I see the butique with cloths more importants than ship balances in internet spaceship game. YAY Oh stop it. They are working on ship balancing and have had these clothes done for months. Besides it is not just and internet spaceship game. It is a sandbox which has spaceships and planets and stations and space people who don't want to go naked. Oh yes. That's why the cloths coming in august and few frigs will come with winter patch. Pls make an unsub thread like the rest of the whiners the moment those clothes come into the Nexfail Only a few devs do other stuff then working on Spaceflight The majority of them is trying to please idiots like you and working on the spacepart of this game. So crying for mommy that CCP is doing ohter stuff is idiotic lol got called an idiot by a barbie dressup lover
see this confuses me, how you like playing eve and not like the idea that eve is becoming a huge sci fi simulator... Are you just not a fun person? Hate games with avatars? Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Lost True
Paradise project
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:36:00 -
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Bulyeowoo wrote:Lost True wrote:Whiners - STFU and go fly your spaceships.
There is a people who really wants to customize their characters more. It's a fact.
And if there will be an items that i really like - i don't give a damn how much it's will cost. And more than that: i prefer that items that i like will be in a high price class, so there will be less ppl wearing the same clothes. Not everyone is rich. I would rather they keep the prices below $5 for everything. But it's will be deadly boring if everyone will be equal...
Of course there should be enough items for cheap, normal and high categories, so everyone will be satisfied. Waiting for WiS for 4 years now. Discussion thread about WiS
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
884
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Posted - 2012.06.16 04:43:00 -
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Maraner wrote:Yup, for those that dont want to even see the Aurum, an option/tick box to remove it shouldn't be an issue, not gonna happen though.
Look at the rage over the new UI, literally thousands of post and no roll back, just incremental improvements back to what we had before ( if we are lucky) , CCP aint gonna take Aurum out, and the NEX store or whatever it's called is staying. and tbh as long as it is purely cosmetic who cares.
The important stuff is that it does not take away dev time from fixing the core issues that need to be addressed, if the money they make from it is ring fenced to fund more cosmetic stuff, fine. I suspect that when they finally arrive that corporation and alliance logo's on ships will cost you Aurum (unless someone has said otherwise - please feel free to correct me).
Overall I'm glad it's in the game, it adds texture and depth and there are a lot of people that like this stuff, the moment I see gold ammo or P2W game effecting mechanic I suspect it may finish of EVE for many of us.
um.... a dev used his access to the forums master code to check that claim. In all of the rage thread there were only a total of 140 users posting. You know they can see through alt posts right?
oh and not all of those 140 were raging at the new UI. Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 sales Xbox 360: 2.2 million PlayStation 3: 1.5 million PC: 500,000http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2077
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Posted - 2012.06.16 05:02:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:yay!
NEX IS DEAD. no more 70$ bullshit, how in the world did CCP think that was a good idea? and you know whats scary? they had 200 more items to sell fully finished art. So that means they will going to price all of that for real money at real life prices.
Now hopefully we will see more and more NON NEX WiS stuff.Nex is terrible. Oh and on that note, please release free versions of everything in the nex store, and then release special color dyes and variations for the Nex Store. This is how it alwasy should of been, I'm pretty sure they thought the NeX store was going to be so popular it would replace the income for the game. When in fact it should be an addition to a game. selling things like dust does. Oh boy the same thing but red! i want it! for money!
Having so much stuff locked away in a cash shop, in a pay to play mmo is beyond stupid so much it makes me want to hurt things. : /
Mother, keep in mind that most people won't be paying cash for those items in the Nex. My purchases have been, and will continue to be, done via ISK... thereby helping out someone who gave CCP some cash so they could have more ISK to play with.
I've helped that PLEX buyer, I've helped CCP, and I've indulged myself (and/or my wife).
That's pretty much a win, win, win and possible nookie situation. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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