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Wolf Mudchewer Blackjack Supercapital Investments 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 14:54:00 - [1] - Quote First off all I would just like to state that this post is in now way connected to Eve University or any of its allies in any wave shape or perform. This is posted by me as an observant on the affair. I am also typing it is real late here and English is not my first language so sorry for understandings in advanced. Eve Universities LSC (low sec camp) recently moved to Heild solar space system in M Heath after a crushing and successful burning of the Hagilur pocket. Basing from Dudreda solar space system we burned down the locals and everything that came to visit through the use of carefully put together fleets and tactics. Management decided to spread out our LSC to the new region and at first all was good as we moved in our fleet and equpment and loaded in the glory of the new surroundings. The once famous pirate haven was ready for LSC clean up. We scored some easy kills in the first day and even forced some of the pirates to abandon the place they wrongly claimed their home. Fast forward a bit and the new unfair wardec systems that ccp has introduced to help the attackers and EVE UNI has encouraged Gunpoint Diplomacy, Black Rebel Rifters Club and LYFTER alliance to start unfair wars on us. This is causing internal chaos at management levels and is a headache and the fighting is starting to spoil the enjoyment of the game for the LSC regulars. On a wider note the cancellation of events and the interpration of the War SOP has meant that regular Uni Life is starting to feel the crush. So what do we do now? The full force of brutality and THE BLOB as these asshats like to call it. (read advanced tactics for the normal eve citizen). Will be readied for action. If the pirates think they can win a war against a hoard then they are in for a disapointment time. NO WARDEC HAS EVER BEEN LOST BY EVE UNIVERSITY. EVERY WARDEC AGAINST THEM HAS RESULTED IN THE CRUSHING OF THE AGGRESSORS. LET THAT BE A WARNING. WE ARE FUELLED BY HATE AN DO NOT TAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST US LIGHTLY. REMEMBER THIS. Unlimited allies will be added to every wardec at zero cost. This is an open invite passed onto me by the management as a trusted 3rd party. If you want to aid the uni against these unfair wardecs and shoot the reason so many players leave eve then now is your chance. Together we can fight them. Join with us and help stop this foul behavour. You can not keep wardeccing the Uni so we have to ask the bigger question of what is in this for the pirate locals? Are they just here to grief beyong the normal levels that their lazy skills allow? Time will tell. The Uni Management has offered up the unconditioning surrenders to the initial aggressors and this offer is still open I believ. It is just a matter of time before they come running to the diplomatic table to sign the treaty. Will the full force of the Uni stop the pirates baying for blood? Will they gank the innocent Unistas in highsec when they claim they will not? Yes they will. Already we have seen multiple acts of terroism in highsec against Unistas in protected systems. This must stop. For the greater good of eve and the game we all love. We must not let these idiots win. They spam local with images not fit for my daughter to see. They are vulgar in chats and diplomacy is something they can not comprend even though they claim that title in their very name. Pilots like CraftingCroc and Sard Caid should be people to look up to in the greater community. Frankly looking in at the chat logs from the outside it is quiet discusting. Remember this wardec is going to be watched by the HOLE OF EVE. Eyes are on you. Do you want to be known as childish griefers or will you do the honorable thing and stop this embarrassing saga. Wolf.
Wolf Mudchewer Blackjack Supercapital Investments 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 14:59:00 - [2] - Quote reversed.
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow 118	Posted - 2012.06.16 15:37:00 - [3] - Quote Wolf Mudchewer wrote: Remember this wardec is going to be watched by the HOLE OF EVE. Eyes are on you. Do you want to be known as childish griefers or will you do the honorable thing and stop this embarrassing saga. There is a hole in EVE? Who lives there? Also, while I'm not against joining as free allies, the people you are referring to are usually around -10 anyway so why would I need to actually join your wars when I can either A) try and catch them as they dart around the border systems or B) go into low sec myself? Not that I care to venture there right now. I actually enjoy those entities. EDIT: Wait wait wait, childish griefers? Aren't you blobbing their home systems? You don't expect them to actually retaliate?
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow 118	Posted - 2012.06.16 15:38:00 - [4] - Quote Wolf Mudchewer wrote: The Firebolt of the University of strong and fierce. It does not need any explanations to force hoem the point that this war can not be won. You will be headign into this wars as a BLIND PIG. Confirming the use of swine in all minmatar auto-cannons. They have been blinded for their own protection against the coming doom.
CynoMonkey Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2012.06.16 15:48:00 - [5] - Quote Let me see if I understand you correctly, Eve Uni rolled into MH thinking the locals would just scatter in the face of such awesome waves of win. To their horror, EU got war dec'd and curb stomped and now want the rest of eve to come to their rescue? As for the standard of local chat I'm confused, you open a **** can then complain about the contents? Post with your monkey or GTFO
Serena Serene University of Caille Gallente Federation 665	Posted - 2012.06.16 15:51:00 - [6] - Quote Maybe I misunderstand something here. I heard good things about eve uni and what they do, but what you describe sounds to me as if they went to lowsec and roughed up some pirates, and now these pirates declared war against the uni. I really don't see why you'd use the attribute "unfair" referring to such a war so often. I also don't see how you can say you are a third party and not related to Eve University in anyway, when you state yourself you were flying with them: Wolf Mudchewer wrote: Basing from Dudreda solar space system we burned down the locals and everything that came to visit through the use of carefully put together fleets and tactics. So either I misunderstand something here, then I ask politely to clear up my misunderstanding, please. Or you are a hypocrite gloating about successes in battles you started, before complaining about the wars that came as consequence.
Dirk Magnum Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan 256	Posted - 2012.06.16 16:32:00 - [7] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: There is a hole in EVE? The entire New Eden Cluster. Quote: Who lives there? We all do. And the hole is also metaphorical. The hole in New Eden that we're trying to fill is really just a case of us collectively trying to fill a hole... in ourselves. God damn I'm hungry. I have to go fill my mouth hole with a sandwich. "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB
Grumpy Owly Paladin Philanthropists 638	Posted - 2012.06.16 17:23:00 - [8] - Quote You feel unfairly war decced and griefed? Imagine being a singular player in a corp decced by the largest alliance in EVE. Bounty Hunting for CSM7
Adriel Malakai Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 69	Posted - 2012.06.16 18:29:00 - [9] - Quote Wolf Mudchewer wrote: NO WARDEC HAS EVER BEEN LOST BY EVE UNIVERSITY. EVERY WARDEC AGAINST THEM HAS RESULTED IN THE CRUSHING OF THE AGGRESSORS. LET THAT BE A WARNING. WE ARE FUELLED BY HATE AN DO NOT TAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST US LIGHTLY. REMEMBER THIS. This made me lol. If you look at your "campaign history", you first claim responsibility for disbanding several alliances that disbanded many months after fighting you and for very different reasons (Privateers come to mine). Second, the vast majority of the wars in 2011 include the war fees in your ISK efficiency calculations, so that you can skew the numbers and use them to blatantly lie about E-UNIs war abilities. The fact of the matter is that E-UNI has lost a large number of its wars - many of which were against entities with less than 50 people. Furthermore, E-UNI is, without question, the worst thing in this game for new people. The number of entitled carebears in E-UNI is obscene, and the level of cowardice sowed in the war SOP is disgusting. RvB at least encourages its members to actively defend themselves, not just ***** and moan until 500 people arrive to coddle them.
masty Gunpoint Diplomacy 4	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote Not sure if troll or not tbh, but agree with the majority of the post after the first crazy bonkers one

Kaeda Maxwell Black Rebel Rifter Club 145	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:05:00 - [11] - Quote Let's threathen PvP'er with PvP. That's a good plan right? Bring it.
Artimis kraw Black Rebel Rifter Club 1	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:09:00 - [12] - Quote lol. That is all.
Arianne Stone Black Rebel Rifter Club 2	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:36:00 - [13] - Quote I do fear the hole's disapproval.
Gunsaro Black Rebel Rifter Club 0	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:41:00 - [14] - Quote Adriel Malakai wrote: Wolf Mudchewer wrote: NO WARDEC HAS EVER BEEN LOST BY EVE UNIVERSITY. EVERY WARDEC AGAINST THEM HAS RESULTED IN THE CRUSHING OF THE AGGRESSORS. LET THAT BE A WARNING. WE ARE FUELLED BY HATE AN DO NOT TAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST US LIGHTLY. REMEMBER THIS. This made me lol. If you look at your "campaign history", you first claim responsibility for disbanding several alliances that disbanded many months after fighting you and for very different reasons (Privateers come to mine). Second, the vast majority of the wars in 2011 include the war fees in your ISK efficiency calculations, so that you can skew the numbers and use them to blatantly lie about E-UNIs war abilities. The fact of the matter is that E-UNI has lost a large number of its wars - many of which were against entities with less than 50 people. Furthermore, E-UNI is, without question, the worst thing in this game for new people. The number of entitled carebears in E-UNI is obscene, and the level of cowardice sowed in the war SOP is disgusting. RvB at least encourages its members to actively defend themselves, not just ***** and moan until 500 people arrive to coddle them. This. ^^ End thread.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 114	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:52:00 - [15] - Quote Wolf Mudchewer wrote: First off all I would just like to state that this post is in now way connected to Eve University or any of its allies in any wave shape or perform. This is posted by me as an observant on the affair. . . . NO WARDEC HAS EVER BEEN LOST BY EVE UNIVERSITY. EVERY WARDEC AGAINST THEM HAS RESULTED IN THE CRUSHING OF THE AGGRESSORS. LET THAT BE A WARNING. WE ARE FUELLED BY HATE AN DO NOT TAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINSTUS LIGHTLY. REMEMBER THIS. Sure, you are just an "observer" and not some Uni alt Wolf Mudchewer wrote: The full force of brutality and THE BLOB as these asshats like to call it. . . . We must not let these idiots win. Last time I checked there was a rule for Unistas to be respectful and polite with ALL other Eve-players. Oh, I forgot, you are just an "observer and "trusted 3rd party by the management". Really, it-¦s a sad day when Uni managements associates with people that need to resort to name calling. This being Eve, of course there is a high chance this whole rant is just a troll, but on the off chance it is not, you are not doing Eve University a favor. I have a somewhat positve disposition towards E-Uni, but right now I am of mind to just join the wardeccers and blow up some Unistas. Anyway, a statement from Uni management would be welcome (if only to disclaim this drivel)! Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
Vincent R'lyeh Black Rebel Rifter Club 5	Posted - 2012.06.16 19:53:00 - [16] - Quote I approve of this post & claim responsibility for some of those vile local posts. if you want to see more of my 'collection' please come to Molden Heath Bring cookies & exotic dancers. We have the beers
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 417	Posted - 2012.06.16 21:28:00 - [17] - Quote Soooooo.... ... ...Let me just make sure that I've understood this correctly: OP crows about blobbing the living **** out of a known ebbil scawwy piwwate infested region. Aforesaid ebbil scawwy piwwates aren't at all impressed with that, and duly retaliate. OP/OP's backers (or maybe I should say "mains?") find they've bit off more than they can chew, so OP comes to this ~~toilet~~ forum and whines about how unfair that is--against a group that OP's backers out-number probably at least 10 : 1, and who are known to make good use of heavy ECM, as well as blobbing. And the OP is convinced that this is "unfair," and uses that premise as a jumping-off point to bash (somewhat incoherently, but whatev') the wardec system, even though the--strongly implied--subtext says that if the E-UNI blob/s had managed its/their usual perma-jamming roflzergstomp, then the OP would consider this perfectly fair and equitable. Did I miss anything? It must be said: I used to have nothing but the highest of respect for E-UNI, and would have without hesitation pointed any new player to it--"No, dude/dudette, seriously: Join E-UNI, right now. Just trust me, you'll understand why soon, and thank me later."--but now? Now, they absolutely stink of the worst kind of carebear-mentality, something this game needs now less than ever. What happened to you, E-UNI? You used to be worthy of respect, now you're just a joke as well as a severe detriment to the future of this community. Believe it or not, this genuinely makes me very sad... In irae, veritas.
Mika Delphine White Rebel Rifter Club 5	Posted - 2012.06.16 23:37:00 - [18] - Quote Is this another "We've purged the Empire of Pirate heathen" thread? ffs... Stop posting. You're wasting precious internets!
Kelduum Revaan EVE University Ivy League 1838	Posted - 2012.06.16 23:41:00 - [19] - Quote The OP seems rather confused, and if he was in E-UNI, then he would at least be able to get his facts straight. Our "learn to live in losec with people who will shoot you" camp ran out of people who will shoot you, so I told them they need to move. They moved, the locals then invited the rest of the Uni to shoot them. There shall be many explosions and hopefully more learning, but we're open to them ending it if they want the small gang stuff again. And, for those of you who seem to think E-UNI is some kind of carebear heaven, you may want to check out our SOP and Killboard. Also, if any more of the locals fancy 'allying' with us in the wars so they can shoot other locals without gate guns getting involved, feel free. I don't mind either way. #freemoldenheath Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University
Vincent R'lyeh Black Rebel Rifter Club 5	Posted - 2012.06.17 00:16:00 - [20] - Quote If you are against EVERYTHING that Keldumb just said and want a Molden Heath that is a place for solo & small gang warfare then I suggest you take a step backwards and realise the evil that E-UNI bring to this world. Small gang pvp & solo pvp is not a place for massive blobs of 40+ people with 7 or 8 BB's griffins & guardians. Small gang pvp is not even over 10 people although of course there is no strict definition. Low-sec pirates are not the scum of the earth we are oddly a community especially in the Molden Heath region We are people who like to pvp............. Of course we will gank and destroy everything we can get our grip on, drop gangs on bait mallers in belts (obvious bait is obvious) Sometimes gang up and destroy dumb carriers who we find ratting (OMFG TACKLE ON CARRIER SRSLY YOU *******) But the point is we play this game for fun & fights. We don't play to win we play to have a damn good time! If you wonder why these dirty pirate scum are banding together against E-UNI its simply because of this: You are ruining our rush dude....... We play this game for fun! Why do YOU play it Keldumb? [MILF]

Les Grenouilles Les Grenouilles. 0	Posted - 2012.06.17 00:27:00 - [21] - Quote Kelduum Revaan wrote: Also, if any more of the locals fancy 'allying' with us in the wars so they can shoot other locals without gate guns getting involved, feel free. I don't mind either way. welp~ Most of the guys dec'ing you are already flashy red anyways, so I doubt anyone is going to take aggro anyway if they aggro anyone in RANSM; except for FALKAN ALT FLYER LAKTOS since he's like, 5.0 or something. Kelduum Revaan wrote: #freemoldenheath I also like how you use this line. From what I've seen, the denizens of Molden Heath were once a free people. Multiple times, people have moved down to crush their spirits: such as dark-rising, Solar (chikun) Wing, and some RP fags that have horns as their alliance logo. The peoples of R1FTA, RANSM, and ROLO have stood the test of time, while encouraging this "freedom" you speak of by doing whatever they want. So sir, are you really trying to "free" Molden Heath; or are you just trying to make it into a playground for all the toddlers in your spaceship guild?
Male Duckface Club Bear 1	Posted - 2012.06.17 00:38:00 - [22] - Quote Ending wardecs against the UNI isn't going to bring the small gang playstyle back as Kelduum implies. You'll still have a kill starved group living in your space waiting to blob 30 pilots onto anything that's flashy. Those of you that have access to hisec need to hit them where it hurts, the carebears. Plenty of Unistas don't bother reading the WSOP and will autopilot an Orca thru hisec, AFK mine in a belt, or run missions solo in something shiny. It's certainly more effort to find and kill these pilots, but fighting an ECM heavy blob with a small gang is playing right into their hands. In another few days E-UNI won't be able to have unlimited allies for every war without shelling out some ISK so I'm hoping more people will consider declaring war. I for one will be contacting the rest of my corp to check if anyone else is interested in picking off the weak and the slow cattle that stray from the herd.
Vincent R'lyeh Black Rebel Rifter Club 6	Posted - 2012.06.17 00:59:00 - [23] - Quote Male Duckface wrote: Ending wardecs against the UNI isn't going to bring the small gang playstyle back as Kelduum implies. . Don't worry the cost of the wardec is not a problem. We are not doing this for any reason other than to level the playing field as it were, most of the MH denizens are -10 so the war de c is purely to remove our GCC. The blob is always going to be a problem but that is not our game...... We fight for fun................ Why do you fight Keldumb?
Arianne Stone Black Rebel Rifter Club 2	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:06:00 - [24] - Quote It's a big stretch to say that the uni LSC is all about small gang. Before the decs there was regularly 20-30 pilots in Heild local. All of whom would want in on a killmail and many of whom were in far larger ships then most r1fta's fly regularly. It's not really teaching small gang stuff if you constantly blob the **** out of people. If you used more small gang tactics then you'd gain far more respect from other players. And noobs would actually learn stuff.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 306	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:09:00 - [25] - Quote Pathetic Yes I just dun took der jerb Lady Spank.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 418	Posted - 2012.06.17 01:52:00 - [26] - Quote Vincent R'lyeh wrote: If you are against EVERYTHING that Keldumb just said and want a Molden Heath that is a place for solo & small gang warfare then I suggest you take a step backwards and realise the evil that E-UNI bring to this world. Small gang pvp & solo pvp is not a place for massive blobs of 40+ people with 7 or 8 BB's griffins & guardians. Small gang pvp is not even over 10 people although of course there is no strict definition. Low-sec pirates are not the scum of the earth we are oddly a community especially in the Molden Heath region We are people who like to pvp............. Of course we will gank and destroy everything we can get our grip on, drop gangs on bait mallers in belts (obvious bait is obvious) Sometimes gang up and destroy dumb carriers who we find ratting (OMFG TACKLE ON CARRIER SRSLY YOU ******) But the point is we play this game for fun & fights. We don't play to win we play to have a damn good time! If you wonder why these dirty pirate scum are banding together against E-UNI its simply because of this: You are ruining our rush dude....... We play this game for fun! Why do YOU play it Keldumb? [MILF] ^^That.^^ [/thread] (Signed) Your Friendly Neighbourhood Sometimes Molden Heath Explo-bear. In irae, veritas.*
Moonlit Raid State War Academy Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.06.17 02:07:00 - [27] - Quote Kelduum Revaan wrote: The OP seems rather confused, and if he was in E-UNI, then he would at least be able to get his facts straight. Our "learn to live in losec with people who will shoot you" camp ran out of people who will shoot you, so I told them they need to move. They moved, the locals then invited the rest of the Uni to shoot them. There shall be many explosions and hopefully more learning, but we're open to them ending it if they want the small gang stuff again. And, for those of you who seem to think E-UNI is some kind of carebear heaven, you may want to check out our SOP and Killboard. Also, if any more of the locals fancy 'allying' with us in the wars so they can shoot other locals without gate guns getting involved, feel free. I don't mind either way. #freemoldenheath What the hell's a CSM?
3D Horrorshow Black Rebel Rifter Club 5	Posted - 2012.06.17 04:03:00 - [28] - Quote Male Duckface wrote: Slow cattle that stray from the herd. Mmm get the BBQ out, trust me, Unista grade beef is delicious.
Adriel Malakai Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 70	Posted - 2012.06.17 04:06:00 - [29] - Quote Kelduum Revaan wrote: The OP seems rather confused, and if he was in E-UNI, then he would at least be able to get his facts straight. Our "learn to live in losec with people who will shoot you" camp ran out of people who will shoot you, so I told them they need to move. They moved, the locals then invited the rest of the Uni to shoot them. There shall be many explosions and hopefully more learning, but we're open to them ending it if they want the small gang stuff again. And, for those of you who seem to think E-UNI is some kind of carebear heaven, you may want to check out our SOP and Killboard. Also, if any more of the locals fancy 'allying' with us in the wars so they can shoot other locals without gate guns getting involved, feel free. I don't mind either way. #freemoldenheath My favorite part was how you avoided the topic of your Campaign "History" that blatantly lies about what happened in those campaigns, and misrepresenting E-UNIs part of Corps and Alliances that have disbanded over the years. Your page makes it seem like you are the sole reasons several groups don't exist anymore, which is completely bullshit. Not only that, but it includes dec fees on all of the wars you lost, so that you can try to save face and pretend it wasn't a loss. If you wish for people to think highly of E-UNI, you might want to start by accurately representing what happened, rather than lying through your teeth.
Kelduum Revaan EVE University Ivy League 1838	Posted - 2012.06.17 06:25:00 - [30] - Quote Adriel Malakai wrote: My favorite part was how you avoided the topic of your Campaign "History" that blatantly lies about what happened in those campaigns, and misrepresenting E-UNIs part of Corps and Alliances that have disbanded over the years... Missed this bit at the top of the page, I take it? UniWiki Page wrote: Unfortunately, after declaring war on E-UNI, many corporations tend to encounter problems, either from public humiliation or internal pressures... It should be made clear that IVY and E-UNI in no way claim responsibility of any of the below statuses - this is simply a record of the corporations and their history in relation to the wars involving E-UNI, and there are no timescales provided... How about this: Wikipedia wrote: War is an organized, armed, and often a prolonged conflict that is carried on between states, nations, or other parties typified by extreme aggression, social disruption, and usually high mortality. We're a teaching and learning institution, and as such we expect and in some cases even encourage losses/kills. ISK values, and by extension efficiency on killboards, doesn't mean anything significant beyond the wealth of the participants, and E-UNI members have effectively unlimited resources via our hangars and ship reimbursement. Seeing as there's no permadeath in EVE, and as there are no pre-declared objectives in wardecs, the only effective measure of win/lose being 'does the other side still exist?'. In many cases, they don't. EVE University has been around for over 8 years, has stood though something like 300+ wars (E-UNI, BLUE, IVY) and will still be here after the next 300. It may not look the same, but then EVE itself doesn't look the same as it did when it did 8 years ago. Some people survive wars. Some don't. EVE University has. We use that metric, along with 'have the members learnt something' to decide who won. We tend to win. That said, the standard offer is open - if you fancy helping us 'correct' what you believe is wrong with our curriculum, you can come teach, let me know what you think is wrong and provide a solution to it, or simply set up a competitor and do it 'right'. Kelduum Revaan CEO, EVE University



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