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marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:23:00 - [361] Originally by: Kaigon Jane When are you guys forming up to save your PL overloards. today evening i think
Soggybottom Gallente The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:27:00 - [362] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz We recognized this problem many years ago and have mechanisms in place to mitigate it. Our alliance has been pretty steadily growing for a long time. We have no desire to let people in that we don't like though, so we grow slower than other alliances with more liberal recruitment policies. I think you are mistaking elitism for just not wanting to be that big. The reason we are lacking EU fc's is because Shadoo was such a dominant force that he literally blotted out all other EU fc's. So the ones that had potential either quit or went inactive. We have the FC's we need in US timezone because I am more than willing to share US timezone with other FC's since I have no desire to lead gangs every day of the week anyway. Honest and sensical posts have no place on messageboards about Eve online.
Myz Toyou Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:29:00 - [363] Originally by: marxist revolutionary Originally by: Kaigon Jane Originally by: Narciss Sevar I'd rather burn bright than be a dim flicker. sadly you were just a dim flicker retar . that acheived nothing on your own. heh yeah good point they napped their way to winning alliance tournaments i guess they really were p bad No, but they metagamed themselfs into tourney forums of others to have an advantage ( even into yours btw ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo
Kaigon Jane Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:31:00 - [364] Originally by: marxist revolutionary Originally by: Kaigon Jane When are you guys forming up to save your PL overloards. today evening i think I know, IÆve read your forum. Seems many goonies hate PL, (and vice versa) but most acknowledge you need PL to survive for Goons to survive (and vice versa) am I right? In fact you believe you also need the NC just to be on the safe side??
Carfex Caldari The Maverick Navy IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:34:00 - [365] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Metal Dude What? A fake reset from the "Supperpower" of EVE? NEVER!!! What? BobITs attacking strong and stable alliances? NEVER!!! Look how dumb you are.
marxist revolutionary Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:37:00 - [366] Originally by: Kaigon Jane Originally by: marxist revolutionary Originally by: Kaigon Jane When are you guys forming up to save your PL overloards. today evening i think I know, IÆve read your forum. Seems many goonies hate PL, (and vice versa) but most acknowledge you need PL to survive for Goons to survive (and vice versa) am I right? In fact you believe you also need the NC just to be on the safe side?? speaking as a goonie my toonie has no strong opinions either way, well that's my 2 iskies. i'm off to the other forum now to whine about the mommyship changes, cya l8r
Cold Gorilla Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:38:00 - [367] Originally by: Sergeant Shafto The only fights NC have fought on our side were weeks ago and not in Fountain, but in cloud ring or syndicate or whatever. The biggest fight we have had in Fountain so far when local topped 1000 in pnqy, we did not even have NC or Goon BS fleets with us. It was SOT, PL and EH only. Maybe you should log in some time too. Thank you for pointing out that numbers have been pretty equal even without goons and NC. Stark contrast from PL guys who are constantly complaining about being outnumbered.
C4w3 Minmatar tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:38:00 - [368] Breaking News @ six! ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:47:00 - [369] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you are mistaking elitism for just not wanting to be that big. I'm not. There is a difference between the number of 'pilots' in an alliance, and the number of 'active pilots' in an alliance. Your focus on slow, highly selective, organic growth (or whatever you want to call it) essentially meant that you had increasingly less 'active pilots', despite the gradual incline of total numbers. So far, so obvious. What compounded this is your openly elitist outlook and recruitment approach - which inevitably meant that the larger percentage of players joining you have been in-game for many years, and are thus much more likely to be less active, or plain old 'done it all before' bored. Bored veterans don't drive alliances forward, they don't make the game fun, they don't encourage participation, they don't have the willpower to drive campaigns and get results. And the many, many unchecked egos in your alliance created an intimidating environment for any would-be FC to develop their skills, no matter your intentions. ---------- ~bitter dog~ etc
Le Cardinal Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 19:55:00 - [370] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you are mistaking elitism for just not wanting to be that big. I'm not. There is a difference between the number of 'pilots' in an alliance, and the number of 'active pilots' in an alliance. Your focus on slow, highly selective, organic growth (or whatever you want to call it) essentially meant that you had increasingly less 'active pilots', despite the gradual incline of total numbers. So far, so obvious. What compounded this is your openly elitist outlook and recruitment approach - which inevitably meant that the larger percentage of players joining you have been in-game for many years, and are thus much more likely to be less active, or plain old 'done it all before' bored. Bored veterans don't drive alliances forward, they don't make the game fun, they don't encourage participation, they don't have the willpower to drive campaigns and get results. And the many, many unchecked egos in your alliance created an intimidating environment for any would-be FC to develop their skills, no matter your intentions. Regardless of whom it applies to, being PL or others, Butter Dog actually makes sence with this.
Sergeant Shafto Caldari BulletProof Monks Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:05:00 - [371] Originally by: Cold Gorilla Originally by: Sergeant Shafto The only fights NC have fought on our side were weeks ago and not in Fountain, but in cloud ring or syndicate or whatever. The biggest fight we have had in Fountain so far when local topped 1000 in pnqy, we did not even have NC or Goon BS fleets with us. It was SOT, PL and EH only. Maybe you should log in some time too. Thank you for pointing out that numbers have been pretty equal even without goons and NC. Stark contrast from PL guys who are constantly complaining about being outnumbered. well done, even numbers on one single evening compared to being outnumbered every other evening means we are evenly matched in numbers.
Kaigon Jane Caldari LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:12:00 - [372] Edited by: Kaigon Jane on 04/12/2009 20:12:08 Originally by: Sergeant Shafto Originally by: Cold Gorilla Originally by: Sergeant Shafto The only fights NC have fought on our side were weeks ago and not in Fountain, but in cloud ring or syndicate or whatever. The biggest fight we have had in Fountain so far when local topped 1000 in pnqy, we did not even have NC or Goon BS fleets with us. It was SOT, PL and EH only. Maybe you should log in some time too. Thank you for pointing out that numbers have been pretty equal even without goons and NC. Stark contrast from PL guys who are constantly complaining about being outnumbered. well done, even numbers on one single evening compared to being outnumbered every other evening means we are evenly matched in numbers. stop whining
Cold Gorilla Caldari Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:13:00 - [373] Originally by: Sergeant Shafto well done, even numbers on one single evening compared to being outnumbered every other evening means we are evenly matched in numbers. You have more than enough members, people just don't want to x up any more. I remember mentioning that with only goons showing up last few days, PL can finally claim to be outnumbered.
C4w3 Minmatar tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:15:00 - [374] Originally by: Sergeant Shafto Originally by: Cold Gorilla Originally by: Sergeant Shafto The only fights NC have fought on our side were weeks ago and not in Fountain, but in cloud ring or syndicate or whatever. The biggest fight we have had in Fountain so far when local topped 1000 in pnqy, we did not even have NC or Goon BS fleets with us. It was SOT, PL and EH only. Maybe you should log in some time too. Thank you for pointing out that numbers have been pretty equal even without goons and NC. Stark contrast from PL guys who are constantly complaining about being outnumbered. SoT tear best tears? CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC CCCC****OFFCCCCCC well done, even numbers on one single evening compared to being outnumbered every other evening means we are evenly matched in numbers. ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
Ardetia Caldari The Flying Tigers Elysium.	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:17:00 - [375] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think you are mistaking elitism for just not wanting to be that big. I'm not. There is a difference between the number of 'pilots' in an alliance, and the number of 'active pilots' in an alliance. Your focus on slow, highly selective, organic growth (or whatever you want to call it) essentially meant that you had increasingly less 'active pilots', despite the gradual incline of total numbers. So far, so obvious. What compounded this is your openly elitist outlook and recruitment approach - which inevitably meant that the larger percentage of players joining you have been in-game for many years, and are thus much more likely to be less active, or plain old 'done it all before' bored. Bored veterans don't drive alliances forward, they don't make the game fun, they don't encourage participation, they don't have the willpower to drive campaigns and get results. And the many, many unchecked egos in your alliance created an intimidating environment for any would-be FC to develop their skills, no matter your intentions. see, if an alliance administration is effectively monitoring equipment that lashes out at everything that trips well, the results will be todays beginning of the end of naPList and perhaps a start for bobit Wisdom Trolling CAOD
Myz Toyou Minmatar APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:17:00 - [376] Originally by: Sergeant Shafto Originally by: Cold Gorilla Originally by: Sergeant Shafto The only fights NC have fought on our side were weeks ago and not in Fountain, but in cloud ring or syndicate or whatever. The biggest fight we have had in Fountain so far when local topped 1000 in pnqy, we did not even have NC or Goon BS fleets with us. It was SOT, PL and EH only. Maybe you should log in some time too. Thank you for pointing out that numbers have been pretty equal even without goons and NC. Stark contrast from PL guys who are constantly complaining about being outnumbered. well done, even numbers on one single evening compared to being outnumbered every other evening means we are evenly matched in numbers. could it be that these now missing numbers on your side has something to do with angst "Getting Hurley`d" ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo
britishfish Minmatar Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:20:00 - [377]
Boppi Amarr Blue Republic	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:26:00 - [378] Edited by: Boppi on 04/12/2009 20:26:28 Originally by: Snot Shot Like Metal said, add up GS/EH/SOT/PL and you got yourself a ~fair fight~.....its your fault that you ** on them so much they want to see you fail now.. ItÆs also funny how you cry about equal numbers now that Titans were nerfÆdà tard. Originally by: Myz Toyou You ( PL ) told us all for month how UBER you are and how crap BOB/Kezuko was and now IT is. But they just followed the old and still true number 1 rule of EVE: Even with a few noobs you can beat an oldtimer/highskilled player. They just prove that EVE still works as intendet. Moron. Originally by: Kaigon Jane I know, IÆve read your forum. Seems many goonies hate PL, (and vice versa) but most acknowledge you need PL to survive for Goons to survive (and vice versa) am I right? In fact you believe you also need the NC just to be on the safe side?? Idiot. Originally by: Butter Dog IT may be accelerating your death, but did not cause it. Elitism in internet spaceships never works for long. It shuts out enthusiastic newcomers who are needed to keep things fresh and vibrant over time. Your alliance culture actively put off people from raising an hand and trying to develop into the FC's you now need. FOTM semi-actives and minor eve-o celebs don't really count. Bored veterans are the death of many corps and alliances. It happened to BoB, it's happening to you, and it will happen to anyone else who adopts the PL model of elitism and unforgiving criticism. Butter Dog has a point though. ___________________________ 1st lol umad? omgwtf! cu on teh battlefield hurfblurf post with ur main derp Toasting in an epic bread hurr
Gobbins Minmatar eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:36:00 - [379] Originally by: Myz Toyou No, but they metagamed themselfs into tourney forums of others to have an advantage ( even into yours btw ) False. We only had some copy pastes from star fraction early brainstorming and those were pretty useless. No info about any other alliance. - Gob
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:37:00 - [380] Man this thread is awesome, its like Viper already stole all the dreads, shamis made the house payment, and we've disbanded, only, none of that seems to be happening at all. Also, lest we forget, this thread is actually about Gobby.
Mr Macawesome Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:37:00 - [381] Butter dog is my prophet and he speaks the truth. There are some goons. -dastommy79
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:41:00 - [382] Originally by: Butter Dog Your alliance culture actively put off people from raising an hand and trying to develop into the FC's you now need. FOTM semi-actives and minor eve-o celebs don't really count. No no no, BD. Having an alliance in which 4 or 5 egomaniacs backstab each other for power while bellowing '***got' at everyone else helps to toughen up the troops and instill respect amongs underlings. It doesn't just cause them to stop logging on. Twitter:@genrlwindypops Facebook profile Rate my posting
Snot Shot Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:41:00 - [383] Originally by: Sergeant Shafto Originally by: Cold Gorilla Originally by: Sergeant Shafto The only fights NC have fought on our side were weeks ago and not in Fountain, but in cloud ring or syndicate or whatever. The biggest fight we have had in Fountain so far when local topped 1000 in pnqy, we did not even have NC or Goon BS fleets with us. It was SOT, PL and EH only. Maybe you should log in some time too. Thank you for pointing out that numbers have been pretty equal even without goons and NC. Stark contrast from PL guys who are constantly complaining about being outnumbered. well done, even numbers on one single evening compared to being outnumbered every other evening means we are evenly matched in numbers. .......Wait........did'nt I read this somewhere before......ahh..... " 1,400 in 49-"..... . Just Sayin.... Dr. Shot BAM!! HEAD SHOT!!!
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:47:00 - [384] Originally by: Narciss Sevar I'd rather burn bright than be a dim flicker. Then you should have quit before your alliance became a laughing stock. Twitter:@genrlwindypops Facebook profile Rate my posting
triman247 Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:50:00 - [385] Originally by: Snot Shot And things just keep getting betteràà. Originally by: Viper **zle ** it when we pack our next week the only ones getting anything are the ones that built this alliance all the other gots can die in a fire im done with this *** So if it was hard to divide up the tournament prizes how hard is it going to be deciding who gets all the capitals, mods, mins, and trillions in isk that PL has laying around? I guess itÆs pretty obvious to me that in most cases ôwhat you walked in with is what you will walk out withö is going to be the policy? Any bets on who walks out the door with the most loot during this failcascade? . Hopefully the people with director in said corps will just clear out the hangars on their way out like usual so Shamis won't have to worry about diving it all up. It'll already be gone.
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.04 20:53:00 - [386] Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Narciss Sevar I'd rather burn bright than be a dim flicker. Then you should have quit before your alliance became a laughing stock. Ahahaha the irony of this post is astonishing. When was UK at its zenith, what late 04-early 05? And that is before we even get onto the corp and the poster.
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.12.04 21:05:00 - [387] Edited by: General Windypops on 04/12/2009 21:08:39 Originally by: Narciss Sevar Originally by: General Windypops Originally by: Narciss Sevar I'd rather burn bright than be a dim flicker. Then you should have quit before your alliance became a laughing stock. Ahahaha the irony of this post is astonishing. When was UK at its zenith, what late 04-early 05? And that is before we even get onto the corp and the poster. UK is an extremely welcoming, fun loving corp centred on enjoying the game and providing a wide ranging experience of Eve for our fellow members. We don't get hung up on elitism or image. We don't back stab each other. We don't rage at each other and constantly call each other *gots, or try to outdo each other. We actually consider each other to be friends, equals, and almost never argue in alliance chat. We appear to have two different value scales in this game, which is why our outlook and our enjoyment are so very different. My point to you is that PL was indeed once a 'bright star', but has now become a rather dim candle. We now know how you treat SoT. We now know how little you like or trust each other. And we now know that you have a serious morale problem, and an EU FC shortage. You're also getting curb stomped by an alliance you're still pretending to look down on. In my view PL unfortunately lost their way. They became too obsessed with culturing their 'elite' image, and with tokenistic victories (e.g. cheating to win the tourney). It became centred on the cult of personality, rather than caring about its members. They lost the magic, the prestige and the cache they used to have as soon as they became just another space holding alliance. You're welcome to disagree, but since we've now read your forums we won't believe you. You've stuck with your alliance even after it passed its peak and for that, at least, I give you credit. Not sure I could stand being called '*got' for that long tbh. Twitter:@genrlwindypops Facebook profile Rate my posting
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.04 21:27:00 - [388] Originally by: General Windypops (e.g. cheating to win the tourney) I like your evidence
Hubris Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.04 21:30:00 - [389] Originally by: General Windypops Not sure I could stand being called '*got' for that long tbh. The rest of eve thinks your a *got, so i would quit if i were you. - uncensored eve discussion and battle reports www.BattleDB.com
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.12.04 21:39:00 - [390] Edited by: General Windypops on 04/12/2009 21:39:31 Originally by: Hubris Originally by: General Windypops Not sure I could stand being called '*got' for that long tbh. The rest of eve thinks your a got, so i would quit if i were you. Oh. That's really clever and edgy. You just called another person a **got. Twitter:@genrlwindypops Facebook profile Rate my posting

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