Originally by: Rewt ed

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I agree motherships are a huge liability. They also have very little benefit over other options. Their current state leaves them vulnerable and this needs to be looked into.

I don't think they need to be force docked though. If it's such a huge inconvenience to have a character tied up to hold it, or have a pos to protect it then sell it. No sense in having 20b tied up in a liability you're seeing no benefits from.

If someone wants to drop 240b in assets to kill 20b I'd expect to be killed relatively quickly.

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Originally by: mentalmackem

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i support this /signed

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Originally by: CCP Zulupark

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WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?

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Originally by: Sokratesz

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Edited by: Sokratesz on 04/12/2009 16:29:36

Yes to hp buff, no to docking.

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CCP Mindstar > Sorry - I've completely messed all that up. lets try again

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Originally by: Odda

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Just didd some testing on TQ.

Nyx w/ full slave sett, t2 trimarked and dedspace fitted and with dmg control + armor link and shield link.

Then fired a Avatar Doomsday. This put the nyx with 20% armor left!

23:47:42 Combat XXX (Judgement) hits you for 746 464 damage

If you dont have a slave sett you wil die in ONE DD
Dont have a Trimark and dmg controll fitted you wil die in ONE DD

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Originally by: Odda

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First mom just died to titan
ANd acoring to pilot, he died of 1 dd.
He also had a FULL Slave sett.

http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005


http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1226087&page=1#24

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Originally by: GM Horse

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Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.

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Originally by: phantomshura

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signed

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Originally by: Sungho Jin

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Edited by: Sungho Jin on 11/12/2009 20:24:19

So, here's what I don't get.

A mom can warp into a POS where a Jump Freighter just landed, pop it in a minute, maybe two, and there goes a 4B ship plus what it's carrying, which could be another 4B or more. Half the value of the Mom down the drain.

I know damn well what the folks crying foul here would say if a JF pilot came here saying wahhhhhhh.... buff my JF. They's day "tough, the MS pilot paid a lot of money for that MS, and he has the right to solo-gank you, Eve is a tough world yada yada". I know this because that's what the MS pilots always used to say when they sat ganking everything that moved on low-sec gates with 0 risk. Now the shoe is on the other foot and they're calling for the waaaaaahhhhmbulance.

So, tell me why a pilot in an 80BN ship shouldn't be able to solo-gank a pilot in a 18BN ship. Doesn't the same logic apply? Shouldn't the answer to the MS pilots be "tough, the Titan pilot paid a lot of money for that Titan, he ought to be able to solo gank you".

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Originally by: Sungho Jin

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Edited by: Sungho Jin on 11/12/2009 20:24:19

So, here's what I don't get.

A mom can warp into a POS where a Jump Freighter just landed, pop it in a minute, maybe two, and there goes a 4B ship plus what it's carrying, which could be another 4B or more. Half the value of the Mom down the drain.

I know damn well what the folks crying foul here would say if a JF pilot came here saying wahhhhhhh.... buff my JF. They's day "tough, the MS pilot paid a lot of money for that MS, and he has the right to solo-gank you, Eve is a tough world yada yada". I know this because that's what the MS pilots always used to say when they sat ganking everything that moved on low-sec gates with 0 risk. Now the shoe is on the other foot and they're calling for the waaaaaahhhhmbulance.

So, tell me why a pilot in an 80BN ship shouldn't be able to solo-gank a pilot in a 18BN ship. Doesn't the same logic apply? Shouldn't the answer to the MS pilots be "tough, the Titan pilot paid a lot of money for that Titan, he ought to be able to solo gank you".

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Originally by: Sungho Jin

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Edited by: Sungho Jin on 11/12/2009 20:24:19

So, here's what I don't get.

A mom can warp into a POS where a Jump Freighter just landed, pop it in a minute, maybe two, and there goes a 4B ship plus what it's carrying, which could be another 4B or more. Half the value of the Mom down the drain.

I know damn well what the folks crying foul here would say if a JF pilot came here saying wahhhhhhh.... buff my JF. They's day "tough, the MS pilot paid a lot of money for that MS, and he has the right to solo-gank you, Eve is a tough world yada yada". I know this because that's what the MS pilots always used to say when they sat ganking everything that moved on low-sec gates with 0 risk. Now the shoe is on the other foot and they're calling for the waaaaaahhhhmbulance.

So, tell me why a pilot in an 80BN ship shouldn't be able to solo-gank a pilot in a 18BN ship. Doesn't the same logic apply? Shouldn't the answer to the MS pilots be "tough, the Titan pilot paid a lot of money for that Titan, he ought to be able to solo gank you".

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