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UVPhoenix2
R.EVE.olutioN
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.12.08 04:36:00 -
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About time those moms got neutered.
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Grapez
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2009.12.08 04:51:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Not just trolls, but Che T-shirt wearing trolls.
Sub-capital ship fliers of the world unite!
Perhaps your cute little beret is on a bit too tight?
My beret is actually very trendy and gets me a lot of girls :3 and I can hide my weed in it
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.12.08 05:37:00 -
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well you people whined about supercap changes so this is what you get
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.08 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia
So you're *****ing because you went running around with an 18billion ISK piece of military hardware, not knowing how to properly use it. And some guy with a 100billion ISK piece of hardware comes along and blows your ass to hell. Meanwhile zillions of other people fly their ships perfectly competently, yet are destroyed because some blob decides they don't want neuts in local. Oh, and those people just shrug and GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES.
Meanwhile you ***** about the other guy having spent more time and SP to get a better ship and actually learned how to fly it, but we're supposed to feel sorry for you. You deserve all the flames you get.
Clueluess. Moms are useless now, there is no roper way to use them without running the risk of being DD'd in the face.
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Ezekialous
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Posted - 2009.12.08 06:45:00 -
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To be fair, there was no patch note stating that DD's now function in lowsec.
I agree that the fitting was ... horriable and traveling without sufficant support will get you killed.
I would like to hear what ccp has to say about DD's in lowsec.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.08 07:02:00 -
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While the idea of instapopping something huge as a MOM is a bit silly I can't help but compare it to "How did my faction fitted CNR lose this battle, I should have won!". Tbh I don't see how things are different; driveby DDD's or driveby mom popping, it's not that difficult to catch a titan especially not as they lost their "AOE" so that means those MOM pilots weren't prepared and moving with a prepared support fleet, that's their fault and their problem.
So I'm thinking the (understandable) outrage is/should be more about the surprise PVP and silly instant damage than anything else. So you could either lower the overal damage, up a MOM's defenses or... turn the DD into a "dot". Lowering overal damage should be part of it, but upping a MOM's tank shouldn't or at least not by much. I'm much more for making the DD into a 30-40 second dot requiring it to be on grid and vulnerable.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.08 07:23:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 08/12/2009 07:23:21
CCP is truly hard headed at this one. the councel should do an Emergancy session and should realy point out that mother ships should be revised. They cant dock they do crap damage. and have no use.. they should atleast survive 2 doomsday blasts for that kind of ship.
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fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.12.08 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ezekialous
I would like to hear what ccp has to say about DD's in lowsec.
They knew this could happen since they were warned by many players.
They didn't do anything to prevent this.
They don't care that you can lose 18B in 15 seconds.
They don't care that you ragequit about it.
Its their game and they can do the heck they want with it.
Originally by: The Mittani
Where's the excellence?
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Stygian Knight
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.08 09:13:00 -
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His fault to fly 'solo' and fail fitted.
DON'T FLY WHAT YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE
Working as intended.... his fault again....
btw carrier can survive a dd... in a real combat situation... already happened...
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.08 09:43:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 08/12/2009 09:45:12
How does the cost of the ship make this fight different to any other one-sided fight?
It seems the Princes of 0.0 find it difficult to act on their oft-stated principles:
* Don't fly what you can't afford to lose (for helpful large letters see above)
* If you lose a ship due to some poorly-described game mechanic it's your own fault
* If you're outnumbered and overwhelmed you should ask humbly in local for some PvP tips
* Adapt or die
* ...
Or can you just destroy something worth 10 billion ISK or more then whine about some randomly selected topic and you get a sympathetic group hug from the EvE elite instead of the usual barrage of insults?
I can't wait 'till I get rich ...
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.08 09:48:00 -
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The 'dont fly what you cant lose' crowd are emo fgts that dont fly ms and need to realise that there currently is NO REASON AT ALL to fly a ms.
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Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:07:00 -
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i'm with sok on this one, and that's got to mean something 
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 08/12/2009 10:16:42
... that normally at least one of you is right, but now you're both wrong?
There might be a case for tweaking Motherships, but this isn't the ships and modules forum. OP's comment was pure "carebear" whine, alog with most of the other posts in this thread:
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18 billion isk gone in 15 seconds from 1 i repeat ONE TITAN
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Stygian Knight
His fault to fly 'solo' and fail fitted.
No amount of fitting would have helped, just so you know.
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btw carrier can survive a dd... in a real combat situation... already happened...
So you're effectively saying that not only are moms not working as intended, DDs aren't either. So everything is fine then?
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
They knew this could happen since they were warned by many players.
So the players know about this circumstance.
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They didn't do anything to prevent this.
Because the players themselves can prevent this until the MS is fixed.
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They don't care that you can lose 18B in 15 seconds.
Because it was his own goddamn fault to expose his MS like that when it is common knowledge that their EHPs are too low to withstand one or more DDDs.
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They don't care that you ragequit about it.
Because it's his own ****ing fault.
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Its their game and they can do the heck they want with it.
And it makes usually much more sense than what the players demand them to do.
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Stygian Knight
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:30:00 -
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1. his problem to be there alone
2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ?
3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished...
= working as intended... his fault on stupidity
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stygian Knight
1. his problem to be there alone
2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ?
3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished...
= working as intended... his fault on stupidity
The problem is #2, which shows that it's not working as intended. A carrier should not be able to survive a DD, by design. A mom should, by design.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.08 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stygian Knight
1. his problem to be there alone
Even if he had had a support fleet he woudl have died.
Originally by: Stygian Knight
2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ?
2 DD's, and carrier can only tank one if it knows which one.
Originally by: Stygian Knight
3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished...
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Chuffer
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:35:00 -
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They don't care that you ragequit about it.
****. ****ing **** **** ****ing ***** titans, ****ing **** **** ****ty ****ing game.
/quit
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Shemmy
7th Space Cavalry
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:58:00 -
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ITT, RAAAAAGGE about losing a solo MS in lowsec.
Welcome to '07 or whatever. In before Dark Shikari.
Eve deals you **** cards from time to time, and when this happens, they tend to give you "patch notes" which will, nine times out of ten, give you the warning you need to fold your hand early.
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Julio Torres
Phantom Squad
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:01:00 -
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The new titans only have one fuction left ingame, griefing..
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LordSwift
Caldari
SWG-RoNaN-BloOdFiN
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Stygian Knight
1. his problem to be there alone
Even if he had had a support fleet he woudl have died.
Originally by: Stygian Knight
2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ?
2 DD's, and carrier can only tank one if it knows which one.
Originally by: Stygian Knight
3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished...
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What you want mom's to be able to withstand multiple dd's? Come on a Doomsday Weapon is meant to be that. Its meant to be a feared weapon. Much better than before when it could take out a fleet if they were not ready for it.
Either way the titan is vulnerable once its fired the DD anyway so in a large fleet engagement it wont matter. Just be prepared to lose one ship. dont see the issue with that.
Is their a refire delay on the dd?? If so i dont see the problem
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fuze
Gallente
Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
So the players know about this circumstance.
The plead heavily against it but instead of listening to them they started removing valuable suggestions.
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Because the players themselves can prevent this until the MS is fixed.
It should have gotten a temp fix like an extra DD resistance.
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Because it was his own goddamn fault to expose his MS like that when it is common knowledge that their EHPs are too low to withstand one or more DDDs.
Maybe he was moving his mom to a safer solar system to have it logged out there.
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Because it's his own ****ing fault.
When you go out in space in a ship you can get destroyed. But a mom in 15 seconds is rather harsh.
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And it makes usually much more sense than what the players demand them to do.
They don't have to listen to every nutjob that is out there but when there are a large number of players coming up with decent arguments it makes sense to listen to them.
You now have quite a few of people who are paying for their accounts with a toon in a ship they cannot use because it is pretty much useless. The probably spend several months or years training the toon and aquiring the isk to buy/build this ship and because CCP changed the weaponry on another ship it became killable faster than you can unzip your trousers.
Originally by: The Mittani
Where's the excellence?
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:28:00 -
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OH SNAP
that's all i got to say
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i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it
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Discrodia
Gallente
Experimental Horizons
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:37:00 -
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Now, just as a note, Mom pilots are <1% of EVE's population. So even if every Mom pilot threatened to quit, CCP would not lose a massive revenue stream (this is before talking about alts and the like). Thus even the whines of the forum-based pilots (which is only 10% or less of the whole population anyway) would have very little effect. So even if you kick and whine and scream and threaten, CCP has less motivation to change what affects you vs something that affects the whole cluster (Such as the lake of SBU's).
So, when CCP decides Moms don't need a fix right now, you're not in the right to say this affects "many, many players." I'm sure that the majority of EVE had never even seen an actual Mom in action, let alone care that you're getting 1 shotted.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Locked, thread is filled with trolling.
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.12.08 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia
Now, just as a note, Mom pilots are <1% of EVE's population. So even if every Mom pilot threatened to quit, CCP would not lose a massive revenue stream (this is before talking about alts and the like). Thus even the whines of the forum-based pilots (which is only 10% or less of the whole population anyway) would have very little effect. So even if you kick and whine and scream and threaten, CCP has less motivation to change what affects you vs something that affects the whole cluster (Such as the lake of SBU's).
So, when CCP decides Moms don't need a fix right now, you're not in the right to say this affects "many, many players." I'm sure that the majority of EVE had never even seen an actual Mom in action, let alone care that you're getting 1 shotted.
it's not about mothership pilots, it's about people that want something in-between a carrier and a titan.
if ccp decide to nerf frigates, not all the eve population would be affected. same for cruisers and battleships. that's because people have choices in-bewteen a battleship and a shuttle, which aren't as skill-intensive as capitals.
now if you nerf ALL of em into oblivion excluding battleships, there you have the current capital landscape within dominion.
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Aglaia Adrastos
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:06:00 -
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G'damn like wow... really crying over a fail fit towards the Caldari DD... sorry but insta death, pilots fault.
I agree with Sokratesz about the kill;
#1 If the first DD never popped him the 2nd one would of.
#2 The fittings of the mothership (It ain't a super carrier YEAT) where utter fail but still, it would of popped.
#3 There is a cool down on the DD of 10 mins. (in reply to the person asking "is there a cool down?")
#4 Cry a river, build a bridge and get over it.
To the OP, 18 billion ISK lost... O'well build another, you shouldn't of been flying it alone in the first place, even when the changes to the ship were held back you still had the balls to, so your own fault...
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: LordSwift
What you want mom's to be able to withstand multiple dd's? Come on a Doomsday Weapon is meant to be that. Its meant to be a feared weapon. Much better than before when it could take out a fleet if they were not ready for it.
Either way the titan is vulnerable once its fired the DD anyway so in a large fleet engagement it wont matter. Just be prepared to lose one ship. dont see the issue with that.
Is their a refire delay on the dd?? If so i dont see the problem
jesus ***** ****ing christ.
It is so easy to tell from the replies here who does and doesn't fly a ms.
Do you think its ok for 20bil isk to pulverize in 10 seconds without any sort of counter?
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NeoTheo
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: NeoTheo on 08/12/2009 13:12:59
Edited by: NeoTheo on 08/12/2009 13:12:45
Originally by: Sokratesz
The 'dont fly what you cant lose' crowd are emo fgts that dont fly ms and need to realise that there currently is NO REASON AT ALL to fly a ms.
and the idiots that are flying them know this and are 2 stupid to keep them off line?
Everyone knows CCP did the most ******ed thing ever with the cap changes (titan change aside) , so seriously you know your ship is crap, stop flying it till its fixed.
not really having a dig, just saying;
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Elena Laskova
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Elena Laskova on 08/12/2009 13:22:57
Originally by: Sokratesz
It is so easy to tell from the replies here who does and doesn't fly a ms.
Do you think its ok for 20bil isk to pulverize in 10 seconds without any sort of counter?
If it's carebear whining to be unhappy you lost your mining frigate because you didn't know about can-flipping, it's carebear whining to complain about losing a 20 billion ISK ship because you couldn't understand the patch notes.
Remember: the time it will take to get the ISK for a replacement ship is an illusion - all that was lost were some pixels.
I wonder if the MS pilot has enough class to ask the Titan pilot for some (much-needed) tips on how to PvP?
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