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Ai Mei	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:14:00 - [1] http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005 18 billion isk gone in 15 seconds from 1 i repeat ONE TITAN GG, time to keep my hel alt logged off in low sec.
Jin Nib Resplendent Knives	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:17:00 - [2] PoP -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
Rotnac Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:24:00 - [3] Hah, that's hilarious.
Barton Foley	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:28:00 - [4] Titan nerf incoming.
Karanth Gallente Independent Fleet	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:33:00 - [5] lmao yeah not like anyone predicted this when ccp decided to roll back the mothership changes, no sir Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans Sorry, no. You have to go into wormholes and get farmed by the new AI NPCs like everyone else...
Obsidian Hawk Free Galactic Enterprises FREGE	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:41:00 - [6] Yeah this needs to be herm fixed.
Deja Thoris Invicta.	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Barton Foley Titan nerf incoming. more like supercap buff overdue
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:50:00 - [8] im sorry for his loss.. justd ont fly super caps you need to keep em logged off until fixed.. www.garia.net
Jason Marshall Gallente Hammer Of Light Aegis Militia	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:51:00 - [9] Im assuming the nid had tackle?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:54:00 - [10] Finally the titans have some DPS... the old doomsday couldn't even take out a well tanked BS. Guess they're finally worth the price tag Originally by: Hamshoe Don't **** down my back and tell me it's raining.

Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.12.07 06:58:00 - [11] Edited by: Akita T on 07/12/2009 07:01:19 Originally by: Karanth lmao yeah not like anyone predicted this when ccp decided to roll back the mothership changes, no sir Business as usual for CCP patches... ignore almost every valid gameplay concern the players express on any last-minute changes, because the players don't know jack (while other devs happily target-paint motherships and control towers, yay). Originally by: Jason Marshall Im assuming the nid had tackle? Oh yeah, sure, tackle on a MOTHERSHIP from something that's not a 'dictor of any kind. Go sit in a corner with Nozh. Lack of alignment was more than enough. _ We are recruiting \| Beginer's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.12.07 07:26:00 - [12] i don't get it. why shouldn't 1 titan take down your ship in 15 seconds? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Daplat Mode Mountain Militia	Posted - 2009.12.07 07:47:00 - [13] thisagain.wav
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2009.12.07 08:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Jason Marshall Im assuming the nid had tackle? Lol, only a HIC can tackle a MS in lowsec.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.12.07 08:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Rotnac Hah, that's hilarious. Confirmed. Titans being used in the field? In my EvE?
Mrs Snowman	Posted - 2009.12.07 09:27:00 - [16] As I read the blog about the the titan super weapon... indeeed, if we watch the video... then this is working as intended.
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:01:00 - [17] Well one shotting a regular dread or carrier ok no problem one shotting another supercap Yeah moms are porked now. But there are threads about this no need to start another one.
New ones Caldari Koln united	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:07:00 - [18] No need to tackle a motership when you can insta pop it. jump in > lock target > 12 seconds DD timer > dead mom, all done in less then 30 seconds!
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:09:00 - [19] Titans are good for business
Seishi Maru The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:21:00 - [20] BECAUSE OF NOHZ!

Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.12.07 10:54:00 - [21] Tactics failure really. It's not hard to understand that un-boosted Moms are no match for currently intended capital warfare. Keep them away until they are adjusted to the new level. Putting them into the line of danger is practically a 30 second self destruct. You remember this "Adapt or die!" phrase? Yep. It's currently being applied. --------
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse death from above..	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:07:00 - [22] This is one of the stupidest and funniest things CCP has done in a long time. Really, it's a brilliant move isn't it? In a game based on long term customer loyalty and patient progress, to have people's ships that have taken months to acquire blown up in a matter of seconds from a single shot? Good work CCP! lol I'm happy I don't fly capitals at the moment. ---- Me - Plim Character. You - Non-Plim Character.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Ai Mei http://www.klevis.net/rakb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=58005 18 billion isk gone in 15 seconds from 1 i repeat ONE TITAN GG, time to keep my hel alt logged off in low sec. Well, anyone who uses their MOMs so freely in dominion got it comming to them. I mean its clearly in their own besrt interest to check patch notes to find out about these things before hand :). As for why CCP destroyed the ship class, thats another issue. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Ceat Murtains	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:21:00 - [24] Seems more likely it was a 2 shot and the erebus damage was assigned to the leviathan. Unless the fail mom pilot didn't turn on his DCU or something, but whatever.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs As for why CCP destroyed the ship class, thats another issue. They didn't destroy it, the just did not upgrade it to the new capital warfare level level. The current design is obsolete and should not be used at all until it got its patch. Next Saturday, there will be a deathmatch between Nozh and Abathur to determine who gets to make the design for the new Moms (Deathmatch is in the aquarium, so life footage should be available), and then, around New Year's Eve, the Motherships will get updated. Until then, avoid creating 18+ bil lollmails. --------
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.07 11:29:00 - [26] rofl i bet that guy is raging in his seat and possibly emoragequiting
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Abrazzar The current design is obsolete and should not be used at all until it got its patch. True, it is much better to park the mothership somewhere safe so you can use the character for other stuff, oh wait... The devs are really showing their understanding of game design and priority with this one. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Amy Wang	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:33:00 - [28] Edited by: Amy Wang on 07/12/2009 12:33:00 his fault really for 1. logging the thing on in the first place before the ship class got their overdue boost 2. using a silly fitting, even nowadays a mom can be fit to withstand 2 doomsdays
Spurty Caldari Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:41:00 - [29] You wish to survive a doomsday? Fly a Titan yourself you wish to mess around solo with clearly no support agro'ing people in your capital ship and you die (regardless how many shots were fired), cry into your hanky while you have a think about how stupid you look. Low sec + ms - hic = cyno to safety any other thinking comes under the "i warped my cap to the gate but couldn't jump through" misguided usuage. I do not like the fact all these neck beards want thei ship to be so invunerable. CCP give existing ms pilots free 100% insurance, make new ones cost 5bill and let Darwin steer them through the storm. Originally by: Hurley I WAS NOT QUITTING SoT AND WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT JOINING IT. PL/SoT MADE A MISTAKE AND ARE NOT MAN ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT OR FIX IT.
Gun Gal	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:51:00 - [30] his fitting was very bad. face it, you have a 18 bill ship you should fit it accordingly. he didnt. he died. move along.

Napro Caldari Universal Development And Security	Posted - 2009.12.07 12:52:00 - [31] Why couldn't CCP have kept both Doomsday (Area effect and single target effect)? Then the pilot choose what to fit to his ship? Area effect dd was great for wiping out hordes of support, wasnt it?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2009.12.07 14:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Napro Why couldn't CCP have kept both Doomsday (Area effect and single target effect)? Then the pilot choose what to fit to his ship? Area effect dd was great for wiping out any fun in 0.0 wasn't it? FYP Now that the big powerblocks can't hide their space behind the same old predictable triple-DD PUSH BUTAN END FITE routine, the map might actually change a little. Getting rid of grid DD will do more to make the map dynamic than all the sov changes combined tbh. (At least in the short term)
Stevens Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.12.07 14:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Originally by: Abrazzar The current design is obsolete and should not be used at all until it got its patch. True, it is much better to park the mothership somewhere safe so you can use the character for other stuff, oh wait... The devs are really showing their understanding of game design and priority with this one. Please tell me where someone can safely park a MoM and then you might have a basis for this statement.
Mukuro Gravedigger	Posted - 2009.12.07 14:30:00 - [34] Without sounding too callous, a ship's destruction, especially the larger ones, helps drive the market. *returns to mining for future required minerals.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.12.07 16:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Stevens Originally by: Jowen Datloran Originally by: Abrazzar The current design is obsolete and should not be used at all until it got its patch. True, it is much better to park the mothership somewhere safe so you can use the character for other stuff, oh wait... The devs are really showing their understanding of game design and priority with this one. Please tell me where someone can safely park a MoM and then you might have a basis for this statement. You log out. Don't say people actually have supercap pilots as their mains. --------
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.07 16:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Gun Gal his fitting was very bad. face it, you have a 18 bill ship you should fit it accordingly. he didnt. he died. move along. Funny guy. Second titan didn't do any damage because he POPPED AFTER MY DD. Even if he had had slaves, and t2 trimarks, and x-type hardeners, he would have died.
UVPhoenix2 R.EVE.olutioN Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:08:00 - [37] Quick someone post the link again. Let's make Apple work for that paycheck.
Torpir Lee Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:17:00 - [38] Nothing's stopping people from baiting with command ship bonused moms hugging the pos shields. Also the ship isn't worth 18 bil. Well it won't be very soon. 5 bil was it? I thought mom pilots were getting some kind of reimbursement come the change, though i'm not sure. And when it does get its HP buffed to tank 2 DD's, people will just whine it can't tank 3, and so on.
Scam Watcher	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Intense Thinker Finally the titans have some DPS... the old doomsday couldn't even take out a well tanked BS. Guess they're finally worth the price tag alpha != DPS
Tover Chris	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:26:00 - [40] Edited by: Tover Chris on 07/12/2009 17:25:54 Originally by: Torpir Lee Nothing's stopping people from baiting with command ship bonused moms hugging the pos shields. Also the ship isn't worth 18 bil. Well it won't be very soon. 5 bil was it? I thought mom pilots were getting some kind of reimbursement come the change, though i'm not sure. And when it does get its HP buffed to tank 2 DD's, people will just whine it can't tank 3, and so on. no, the price reduction and any changes were scrapped. Nozh's changes were ******ed anyway.

Scam Watcher	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:30:00 - [41] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Gun Gal his fitting was very bad. face it, you have a 18 bill ship you should fit it accordingly. he didnt. he died. move along. Funny guy. Second titan didn't do any damage because he POPPED AFTER MY DD. Even if he had had slaves, and t2 trimarks, and x-type hardeners, he would have died. because you the all-important HIC tackling him right? He shouldnt have panicked, and he'd still be alive.
ChakanForever	Posted - 2009.12.07 17:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Ai Mei Killmail link removed.Applebabe 18 billion isk gone in 15 seconds from 1 i repeat ONE TITAN GG, time to keep my hel alt logged off in low sec. Barrel Roll?
Armoured C Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2009.12.07 18:02:00 - [43] Originally by: ChakanForever Originally by: Ai Mei Killmail link removed.Applebabe 18 billion isk gone in 15 seconds from 1 i repeat ONE TITAN GG, time to keep my hel alt logged off in low sec. Barrel Roll? i was thinking more loop the loop
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.07 18:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Scam Watcher Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Gun Gal his fitting was very bad. face it, you have a 18 bill ship you should fit it accordingly. he didnt. he died. move along. Funny guy. Second titan didn't do any damage because he POPPED AFTER MY DD. Even if he had had slaves, and t2 trimarks, and x-type hardeners, he would have died. because you the all-important HIC tackling him right? He shouldnt have panicked, and he'd still be alive. Both titans jumped in same second. Nomi might have been just .5 or 1 second behind me, either way, he was dead, no fitting would have saved him.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.12.07 19:29:00 - [45] Let me get this straight. A guy like me gets beat up for attempting to travel through 0.0 and poses no threat. You however lose yourbig ship because of another big ship and you expect us to feel sorry for you? Call the waaambulance? -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Woodwraith Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2009.12.07 19:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Rpeg Let me get this straight. A guy like me gets beat up for attempting to travel through 0.0 and poses no threat. You however lose yourbig ship because of another big ship and you expect us to feel sorry for you? Call the waaambulance? Pose as much threat as you like, you'll be shot on site either way. The complaint isn't over the loss of the ship itself, its a question of wether the titans should have gotten this boost leaving Moms in the dust EHP wise, and opening them up to instagibbing like this. About as wise as throwing your drunk daughter into a raging frat party, not much variation on whos gonna get it worse,
Obsidian Hawk Free Galactic Enterprises FREGE	Posted - 2009.12.07 19:55:00 - [47] I think people are missing the point of this thread. This is a 16 billion isk ship that got 1 shotted. A SUPER CAPITAL got 1 shotted. Isn't there something wrong with that? Applebabe I love you and all but could you put the link back up please? This is an issue that urgently needs to be addressed.
D3F4ULT Gallente	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:00:00 - [48] I bet there was a "Boom Headshot" for the titan pilot.
Light Echo	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:00:00 - [49] Edited by: Light Echo on 07/12/2009 20:00:56 The kill in question: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5122895
Captain Tardbar State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk This is a 16 billion isk ship that got 1 shotted. A SUPER CAPITAL got 1 shotted. Isn't there something wrong with that? Its good for the economy and puts miners back to work.

Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:23:00 - [51] Originally by: Woodwraith Pose as much threat as you like, you'll be shot on site either way. The complaint isn't over the loss of the ship itself, its a question of wether the titans should have gotten this boost leaving Moms in the dust EHP wise, and opening them up to instagibbing like this. About as wise as throwing your drunk daughter into a raging frat party, not much variation on whos gonna get it worse, waaaaaaaaaambulance... hurry up! it's still coming by. you can catch it! -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
fuze Gallente Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Sokratesz Both titans jumped in same second. Nomi might have been just .5 or 1 second behind me, either way, he was dead, no fitting would have saved him. So what do you think about this? Planning to sucker more moms or does it feel icky? Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.07 20:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Rpeg Let me get this straight. A guy like me gets beat up for attempting to travel through 0.0 and poses no threat. You however lose yourbig ship because of another big ship and you expect us to feel sorry for you? Call the waaambulance? If one of the key balancing features of you travelling through 0.0 and posing no thread was that you could survive, then you'd have some cause for sympathy. The problem you're missing is that, in designing the new DDD, there were a lot of concern that it would unduly upset the capship balance, at which point CCP said "ok, we'll make sure that supercaps can survive it"… and then they withdrew that part of the change and left the other side of the changes in. People aren't whining because they get blown up – they're whining because CCP said that they wouldn't be blown up in this exact situation, and then reneged on that rather important point and thus made the entire ship class pointless. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:09:00 - [54] Jeez. What is it about an instapopped mothership that brings out the trolls in force? Something about envy that makes people stupid I guess. Poor guy looses a ship that represented months or years of in-game of work and effort to build, and the trolls laugh and point and throw mud. "haha, I'll never have a ship like that, so its funny that you lost yours - WORKS AS INTENDED" I mean, hell - I don't fly capitals - but I can appreciate what it takes to make one - and certainly can see whats wrong with a 1 DD insta-kill. IMO, Troll can take that 'finger of death' and jam it...well, somewhere unoriginal. Its hardly intended - CCP was proposing massive changes and got wrapped around the axle in the process at a late stage. I imagine that they calculated the supercapital player base was small (and captive) enough that they could slack on the cap-ship balance for awhile - perhaps assuming that the mothership owners would just suffer in silence while a new role was determined.
Discrodia Gallente Experimental Horizons	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:22:00 - [55] So you're ***ing because you went running around with an 18billion ISK piece of military hardware, not knowing how to properly use it. And some guy with a 100billion ISK piece of hardware comes along and blows your ass to hell. Meanwhile zillions of other people fly their ships perfectly competently, yet are destroyed because some blob decides they don't want neuts in local. Oh, and those people just shrug and GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES. Meanwhile you * about the other guy having spent more time and SP to get a better ship and actually learned how to fly it, but we're supposed to feel sorry for you. You deserve all the flames you get. Originally by:** CCP Zymurgist Locked, thread is filled with trolling.
Rpeg Minmatar Rosa Castellum	Posted - 2009.12.07 21:24:00 - [56] Originally by: Discrodia So you're ***ing because you went running around with an 18billion ISK piece of military hardware, not knowing how to properly use it. And some guy with a 100billion ISK piece of hardware comes along and blows your ass to hell. Meanwhile zillions of other people fly their ships perfectly competently, yet are destroyed because some blob decides they don't want neuts in local. Oh, and those people just shrug and GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES. Meanwhile you *** about the other guy having spent more time and SP to get a better ship and actually learned how to fly it, but we're supposed to feel sorry for you. You deserve all the flames you get. /signed -- autechre - ep7 - track 1: rpeg estevancarlos.com
Herr Wilkus	Posted - 2009.12.07 22:20:00 - [57] Not just trolls, but Che T-shirt wearing trolls. Sub-capital ship fliers of the world unite! Perhaps your cute little beret is on a bit too tight?
Awesome Possum Imperium Signal Corps	Posted - 2009.12.07 22:44:00 - [58] I've not been in game.. someone link me the threadnaught discussing the mothership rollback/nerf/****brick and its consequences. in before eve-search. ♥ Wreck Disposal Services
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse death from above..	Posted - 2009.12.07 22:45:00 - [59] It's indicative of the state of these forums that people are defending something which is so self-evidently borked. Any excuse to be hostile morons. ---- Me - Plim Character. You - Non-Plim Character.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.07 22:49:00 - [60] …come to think of it, that loss could be subject to reimbursement – it's due to an unintended feature, after all. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki

UVPhoenix2 R.EVE.olutioN Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2009.12.08 04:36:00 - [61] About time those moms got neutered.
Grapez The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2009.12.08 04:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Herr Wilkus Not just trolls, but Che T-shirt wearing trolls. Sub-capital ship fliers of the world unite! Perhaps your cute little beret is on a bit too tight? My beret is actually very trendy and gets me a lot of girls :3 and I can hide my weed in it
small chimp	Posted - 2009.12.08 05:37:00 - [63] well you people whined about supercap changes so this is what you get
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 05:41:00 - [64] Originally by: Discrodia So you're ***ing because you went running around with an 18billion ISK piece of military hardware, not knowing how to properly use it. And some guy with a 100billion ISK piece of hardware comes along and blows your ass to hell. Meanwhile zillions of other people fly their ships perfectly competently, yet are destroyed because some blob decides they don't want neuts in local. Oh, and those people just shrug and GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES. Meanwhile you *** about the other guy having spent more time and SP to get a better ship and actually learned how to fly it, but we're supposed to feel sorry for you. You deserve all the flames you get. Clueluess. Moms are useless now, there is no roper way to use them without running the risk of being DD'd in the face.
Ezekialous	Posted - 2009.12.08 06:45:00 - [65] To be fair, there was no patch note stating that DD's now function in lowsec. I agree that the fitting was ... horriable and traveling without sufficant support will get you killed. I would like to hear what ccp has to say about DD's in lowsec.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc	Posted - 2009.12.08 07:02:00 - [66] While the idea of instapopping something huge as a MOM is a bit silly I can't help but compare it to "How did my faction fitted CNR lose this battle, I should have won!". Tbh I don't see how things are different; driveby DDD's or driveby mom popping, it's not that difficult to catch a titan especially not as they lost their "AOE" so that means those MOM pilots weren't prepared and moving with a prepared support fleet, that's their fault and their problem. So I'm thinking the (understandable) outrage is/should be more about the surprise PVP and silly instant damage than anything else. So you could either lower the overal damage, up a MOM's defenses or... turn the DD into a "dot". Lowering overal damage should be part of it, but upping a MOM's tank shouldn't or at least not by much. I'm much more for making the DD into a 30-40 second dot requiring it to be on grid and vulnerable. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E The Volition Cult	Posted - 2009.12.08 07:23:00 - [67] Edited by: Garia666 on 08/12/2009 07:23:21 CCP is truly hard headed at this one. the councel should do an Emergancy session and should realy point out that mother ships should be revised. They cant dock they do crap damage. and have no use.. they should atleast survive 2 doomsday blasts for that kind of ship. www.garia.net
fuze Gallente Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.12.08 07:26:00 - [68] Originally by: Ezekialous I would like to hear what ccp has to say about DD's in lowsec. They knew this could happen since they were warned by many players. They didn't do anything to prevent this. They don't care that you can lose 18B in 15 seconds. They don't care that you ragequit about it. Its their game and they can do the heck they want with it. Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
Stygian Knight Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.08 09:13:00 - [69] His fault to fly 'solo' and fail fitted. DON'T FLY WHAT YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE Working as intended.... his fault again.... btw carrier can survive a dd... in a real combat situation... already happened...
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.08 09:43:00 - [70] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 08/12/2009 09:45:12 How does the cost of the ship make this fight different to any other one-sided fight? It seems the Princes of 0.0 find it difficult to act on their oft-stated principles: * Don't fly what you can't afford to lose (for helpful large letters see above) * If you lose a ship due to some poorly-described game mechanic it's your own fault * If you're outnumbered and overwhelmed you should ask humbly in local for some PvP tips * Adapt or die * ... Or can you just destroy something worth 10 billion ISK or more then whine about some randomly selected topic and you get a sympathetic group hug from the EvE elite instead of the usual barrage of insults? I can't wait 'till I get rich ...

Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 09:48:00 - [71] The 'dont fly what you cant lose' crowd are emo fgts that dont fly ms and need to realise that there currently is NO REASON AT ALL to fly a ms.
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:07:00 - [72] i'm with sok on this one, and that's got to mean something - putting the gist back into logistics
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:11:00 - [73] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 08/12/2009 10:16:42 ... that normally at least one of you is right, but now you're both wrong? There might be a case for tweaking Motherships, but this isn't the ships and modules forum. OP's comment was pure "carebear" whine, alog with most of the other posts in this thread: Quote: 18 billion isk gone in 15 seconds from 1 i repeat ONE TITAN
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Stygian Knight His fault to fly 'solo' and fail fitted. No amount of fitting would have helped, just so you know. Quote: btw carrier can survive a dd... in a real combat situation... already happened... So you're effectively saying that not only are moms not working as intended, DDs aren't either. So everything is fine then? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:25:00 - [75] Originally by: fuze They knew this could happen since they were warned by many players. So the players know about this circumstance. Quote: They didn't do anything to prevent this. Because the players themselves can prevent this until the MS is fixed. Quote: They don't care that you can lose 18B in 15 seconds. Because it was his own goddamn fault to expose his MS like that when it is common knowledge that their EHPs are too low to withstand one or more DDDs. Quote: They don't care that you ragequit about it. Because it's his own **ing fault. Quote:** Its their game and they can do the heck they want with it. And it makes usually much more sense than what the players demand them to do. --------
Stygian Knight Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:30:00 - [76] 1. his problem to be there alone 2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ? 3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished... = working as intended... his fault on stupidity
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:40:00 - [77] Originally by: Stygian Knight 1. his problem to be there alone 2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ? 3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished... = working as intended... his fault on stupidity The problem is #2, which shows that it's not working as intended. A carrier should not be able to survive a DD, by design. A mom should, by design. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 10:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Stygian Knight 1. his problem to be there alone Even if he had had a support fleet he woudl have died. Originally by: Stygian Knight 2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ? 2 DD's, and carrier can only tank one if it knows which one. Originally by: Stygian Knight 3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished... ...
Chuffer	Posted - 2009.12.08 11:35:00 - [79] Quote: They don't care that you ragequit about it. **. ing ing * titans, ing ty **ing game. /quit
Shemmy 7th Space Cavalry	Posted - 2009.12.08 11:58:00 - [80] ITT, RAAAAAGGE about losing a solo MS in lowsec. Welcome to '07 or whatever. In before Dark Shikari. Eve deals you **** cards from time to time, and when this happens, they tend to give you "patch notes" which will, nine times out of ten, give you the warning you need to fold your hand early.

Julio Torres Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:01:00 - [81] The new titans only have one fuction left ingame, griefing..
LordSwift Caldari SWG-RoNaN-BloOdFiN	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:07:00 - [82] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Stygian Knight 1. his problem to be there alone Even if he had had a support fleet he woudl have died. Originally by: Stygian Knight 2. If carrier can survive DD, why shouldn't mom ? 2 DD's, and carrier can only tank one if it knows which one. Originally by: Stygian Knight 3. why the hell he didn't wait for the changes on MS to be finished... ... What you want mom's to be able to withstand multiple dd's? Come on a Doomsday Weapon is meant to be that. Its meant to be a feared weapon. Much better than before when it could take out a fleet if they were not ready for it. Either way the titan is vulnerable once its fired the DD anyway so in a large fleet engagement it wont matter. Just be prepared to lose one ship. dont see the issue with that. Is their a refire delay on the dd?? If so i dont see the problem
fuze Gallente Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:20:00 - [83] Originally by: Abrazzar So the players know about this circumstance. The plead heavily against it but instead of listening to them they started removing valuable suggestions. Quote: Because the players themselves can prevent this until the MS is fixed. It should have gotten a temp fix like an extra DD resistance. Quote: Because it was his own goddamn fault to expose his MS like that when it is common knowledge that their EHPs are too low to withstand one or more DDDs. Maybe he was moving his mom to a safer solar system to have it logged out there. Quote: Because it's his own **ing fault. When you go out in space in a ship you can get destroyed. But a mom in 15 seconds is rather harsh. Quote: And it makes usually much more sense than what the players demand them to do. They don't have to listen to every nutjob that is out there but when there are a large number of players coming up with decent arguments it makes sense to listen to them. You now have quite a few of people who are paying for their accounts with a toon in a ship they cannot use because it is pretty much useless. The probably spend several months or years training the toon and aquiring the isk to buy/build this ship and because CCP changed the weaponry on another ship it became killable faster than you can unzip your trousers. Originally by:** The Mittani Where's the excellence?
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:28:00 - [84] OH SNAP that's all i got to say ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
Discrodia Gallente Experimental Horizons	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:37:00 - [85] Now, just as a note, Mom pilots are <1% of EVE's population. So even if every Mom pilot threatened to quit, CCP would not lose a massive revenue stream (this is before talking about alts and the like). Thus even the whines of the forum-based pilots (which is only 10% or less of the whole population anyway) would have very little effect. So even if you kick and whine and scream and threaten, CCP has less motivation to change what affects you vs something that affects the whole cluster (Such as the lake of SBU's). So, when CCP decides Moms don't need a fix right now, you're not in the right to say this affects "many, many players." I'm sure that the majority of EVE had never even seen an actual Mom in action, let alone care that you're getting 1 shotted. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Locked, thread is filled with trolling.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.12.08 12:43:00 - [86] Originally by: Discrodia Now, just as a note, Mom pilots are <1% of EVE's population. So even if every Mom pilot threatened to quit, CCP would not lose a massive revenue stream (this is before talking about alts and the like). Thus even the whines of the forum-based pilots (which is only 10% or less of the whole population anyway) would have very little effect. So even if you kick and whine and scream and threaten, CCP has less motivation to change what affects you vs something that affects the whole cluster (Such as the lake of SBU's). So, when CCP decides Moms don't need a fix right now, you're not in the right to say this affects "many, many players." I'm sure that the majority of EVE had never even seen an actual Mom in action, let alone care that you're getting 1 shotted. it's not about mothership pilots, it's about people that want something in-between a carrier and a titan. if ccp decide to nerf frigates, not all the eve population would be affected. same for cruisers and battleships. that's because people have choices in-bewteen a battleship and a shuttle, which aren't as skill-intensive as capitals. now if you nerf ALL of em into oblivion excluding battleships, there you have the current capital landscape within dominion. ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
Aglaia Adrastos	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:06:00 - [87] G'damn like wow... really crying over a fail fit towards the Caldari DD... sorry but insta death, pilots fault. I agree with Sokratesz about the kill; #1 If the first DD never popped him the 2nd one would of. #2 The fittings of the mothership (It ain't a super carrier YEAT) where utter fail but still, it would of popped. #3 There is a cool down on the DD of 10 mins. (in reply to the person asking "is there a cool down?") #4 Cry a river, build a bridge and get over it. To the OP, 18 billion ISK lost... O'well build another, you shouldn't of been flying it alone in the first place, even when the changes to the ship were held back you still had the balls to, so your own fault...
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:07:00 - [88] Originally by: LordSwift What you want mom's to be able to withstand multiple dd's? Come on a Doomsday Weapon is meant to be that. Its meant to be a feared weapon. Much better than before when it could take out a fleet if they were not ready for it. Either way the titan is vulnerable once its fired the DD anyway so in a large fleet engagement it wont matter. Just be prepared to lose one ship. dont see the issue with that. Is their a refire delay on the dd?? If so i dont see the problem jesus *** **ing christ. It is so easy to tell from the replies here who does and doesn't fly a ms. Do you think its ok for 20bil isk to pulverize in 10 seconds without any sort of counter?
NeoTheo Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:11:00 - [89] Edited by: NeoTheo on 08/12/2009 13:12:59 Edited by: NeoTheo on 08/12/2009 13:12:45 Originally by: Sokratesz The 'dont fly what you cant lose' crowd are emo fgts that dont fly ms and need to realise that there currently is NO REASON AT ALL to fly a ms. and the idiots that are flying them know this and are 2 stupid to keep them off line? Everyone knows CCP did the most ******ed thing ever with the cap changes (titan change aside) , so seriously you know your ship is crap, stop flying it till its fixed. not really having a dig, just saying;
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:21:00 - [90] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 08/12/2009 13:22:57 Originally by: Sokratesz It is so easy to tell from the replies here who does and doesn't fly a ms. Do you think its ok for 20bil isk to pulverize in 10 seconds without any sort of counter? If it's carebear whining to be unhappy you lost your mining frigate because you didn't know about can-flipping, it's carebear whining to complain about losing a 20 billion ISK ship because you couldn't understand the patch notes. Remember: the time it will take to get the ISK for a replacement ship is an illusion - all that was lost were some pixels. I wonder if the MS pilot has enough class to ask the Titan pilot for some (much-needed) tips on how to PvP?

Brainless Bimbo Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:23:00 - [91] Stop whining you troll, your 18 billion ship was killed by a ship costing 10 times as much (with a longer train time too), that seems to be about right... .....just step back and look at it in perspective, any ship in eve can get instapoped by another that costs 10 times as much... ....yeah it hurts, but its ment too..... ...... continues overleaf.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:28:00 - [92] Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/12/2009 13:28:50 Originally by: NeoTheo Originally by: Sokratesz The 'dont fly what you cant lose' crowd are emo fgts that dont fly ms and need to realise that there currently is NO REASON AT ALL to fly a ms. and the idiots that are flying them know this and are 2 stupid to keep them off line? Everyone knows CCP did the most ****ed thing ever with the cap changes (titan change aside) , so seriously you know your ship is crap, stop flying it till its fixed. not really having a dig, just saying; Of course but its so sad that CCP totally failed to anticipate on this; there is no possible way in which this is justifiable as 'working as intended' and thus the fix needs to be sped up. Originally by:** Brainless Bimbo Stop whining you troll, your 18 billion ship was killed by a ship costing 10 times as much (with a longer train time too), that seems to be about right... Originally by: Elena Laskova If it's carebear whining to be unhappy you lost your mining frigate because you didn't know about can-flipping, it's carebear whining to complain about losing a 20 billion ISK ship because you couldn't understand the patch notes. I wonder if the MS pilot has enough class to ask the Titan pilot for some (much-needed) tips on how to PvP? I suggest you check out the guy that laid the final blow in-game.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:29:00 - [93] theres nothing that can save a mom from a DD or two, without being bale to jam the titan or rep the mom (even with 100 triage carriers) insta pop volly to the face shouldnt be possible, capital ships are ment to take a huge battle to loose. else why fly anything other than a BS
Ansala Minmatar	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:34:00 - [94] So, the one-button Titan AoE DD of a BS fleet was OK because the Titan(s) cost 10x as much as the BS fleet? Cost disparity between two ships hasn't been a determining factor in EVE in a long time.
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:39:00 - [95] Edited by: Kowaii Rabbit on 08/12/2009 13:40:50 lol I'm speechless at some of the responses in this thread. Whether alone ratting in a belt, sitting at the edge of a POS shield, accompanied by a large support fleet, or tanked to it's eyeballs...it was going to die no matter what the experts in here say. Telling the guy to 'not log on', while perhaps good advice, is simply unacceptable. Even carriers have been porked into oblivion by the new Titan changes. Jumping to a POS is out of the question now when there are neutrals/hostiles in system, and with the stupid 'You can't dock for 21 seconds because its dangerous so close to a cyno field' message, you might as well stay docked with them as well. Hell, even move an inch before the 30 second undock timer and you might insta-pop. Good job CCP. 秋田市 EZY English 英会話スクール http://www.ezy-english.com/
Alanea Winddancer	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:42:00 - [96] I wonder whether the rebels in Star Wars ever screamed: "OMG, the Death Star laz0r is overpowered! NERF IT!!!" Oh yeah, right, they didn't - they had more balls.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:45:00 - [97] Originally by: Alanea Winddancer I wonder whether the rebels in Star Wars ever screamed: "OMG, the Death Star laz0r is overpowered! NERF IT!!!" Oh yeah, right, they didn't - they had more balls. Wow, you're stupid.
Alanea Winddancer	Posted - 2009.12.08 13:51:00 - [98] Care to elaborate?
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:01:00 - [99] Originally by: Alanea Winddancer Care to elaborate? No. You should care to read more before you post.
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse death from above..	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:06:00 - [100] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Alanea Winddancer Care to elaborate? No. You should care to read more before you post. And think more. Actually such people just shouldn't post. ---- Me - Plim Character. You - Non-Plim Character.

Aya	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:08:00 - [101] When you post something in General Discussion your going to get replys from iceminers in Rens, so dont be suprised by the responses. Nice kill there Sok, I was going to buy a Hel and 2 days later they announced they werent changing motherships so I decided to wait.
SemiCharmed Clans of the Sanctums	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:19:00 - [102] Fail, THIS is how titans are supposed to be!!! the all singing all dancing, omfg run away and lets think of a plan kinda ships. The Alpha and Omega! If CCP Nerf the titan AGAIN then they may as well just f-ing removed it from the game altogether. When it was the smart bomb effect it was awesome when it first came out, then it got nerfed, and again, and now we have this awesome sexy weapon. - They shouldn't change a thing now ¼_¼ -------------------------------------------- Remember Kids, Only YOU Can Prevent Fourm fires.
Nguyen VanPhuoc Minmatar The but's shoal	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:24:00 - [103] Didn't CCP say in the capital changes DevBlog that they were planning to redesign motherships but didn't like what they had planned so pulled the changes from Dominion to re-work them. So maybe motherships are useless on the capital battlefield right now, then maybe keep them docked until CCP have a chance to balance them? ___________________ MAXimum CAOD!
Woodwraith Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:42:00 - [104] Edited by: Woodwraith on 08/12/2009 14:44:45 Originally by: SemiCharmed Fail, THIS is how titans are supposed to be!!! the all singing all dancing, omfg run away and lets think of a plan kinda ships. The Alpha and Omega! If CCP Nerf the titan AGAIN then they may as well just f-ing removed it from the game altogether. When it was the smart bomb effect it was awesome when it first came out, then it got nerfed, and again, and now we have this awesome sexy weapon. - They shouldn't change a thing now ¼_¼ Or, hows about they just give moms the ehp boost they had on sisi so that you can actually put one on the field and not get instawtfbbq'd If the only role for a mom is orbiting a pos so as to avoid instant death, well guess what, theres something f***g wrong with the game. Originally by:** Nguyen VanPhuoc Didn't CCP say in the capital changes DevBlog that they were planning to redesign motherships but didn't like what they had planned so pulled the changes from Dominion to re-work them. So maybe motherships are useless on the capital battlefield right now, then maybe keep them docked until CCP have a chance to balance them? They were balanced, then they got un-done. And honestly, telling someone the best role for their character is to be logged off is f'ing sh*t, dont even go there.
Dr Karsun Gallente HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:48:00 - [105] Too bad the KM got removed... But well, I think it's generally ok a titan takes out a carrier or dread with one blow... But a mom? That's just wrong. With the titan weapon change and no mom change it's like trying to implement democracy to iraq... The system is there, but the background totally doesn't fit. I suggest - leavy all moms at POS untill next patch and let iraq have their dictators. Making custom signatures and banners - check my in-game bio for details!
fuze Gallente Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:56:00 - [106] Just ship the CCP dictators to Iraq and bring back the cool guys who actually know what they are doing. Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
Nguyen VanPhuoc Minmatar The but's shoal	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:58:00 - [107] Originally by: Woodwraith They were balanced, then they got un-done. And honestly, telling someone the best role for their character is to be logged off is f'ing sh*t, dont even go there. So you cant fly anything else or do anything else while CCP work on your primary ship? If you're flying a Mothership you can fly a BS while you wait for them to be fixed, in the meantime you could participate in positive discussions about what to do with Motherships instead of whining. ___________________ MAXimum CAOD!
Serpents smile	Posted - 2009.12.08 14:58:00 - [108] Originally by: Dr Karsun Too bad the KM got removed... Try again.
SemiCharmed Clans of the Sanctums	Posted - 2009.12.08 15:08:00 - [109] Originally by: Woodwraith Edited by: Woodwraith on 08/12/2009 14:44:45 Or, hows about they just give moms the ehp boost they had on sisi so that you can actually put one on the field and not get instawtfbbq'd If the only role for a mom is orbiting a pos so as to avoid instant death, well guess what, theres something f***g wrong with the game. If that's how you see motherships then your doing it wrong - despite in my eyes motherships are crap anyway :p Give it time though, they are working on the motherships and it wont be long until they have made some changes. As for the time being, anyone who loses a Mothership, obviously, should never have had one in the first place. -------------------------------------------- Remember Kids, Only YOU Can Prevent Fourm fires.**
The Wicked1	Posted - 2009.12.08 15:11:00 - [110] Edited by: The Wicked1 on 08/12/2009 15:13:57 Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Alanea Winddancer I wonder whether the rebels in Star Wars ever screamed: "OMG, the Death Star laz0r is overpowered! NERF IT!!!" Oh yeah, right, they didn't - they had more balls. Wow, you're stupid. And you were voted into the CSM? You don't seem to be able to take critisim without stooping down to theyr level. And from the amount of votes you got (744) I get the feeling that you won just because of your alliance-vote. Edit: And just to avoid having you go blasting away at me concerning the subject matter in this thread I just want to clarify that I have never flown a Mom, Carrier, Titan or any other Capital ship of any kind.

Willy Nerfalot	Posted - 2009.12.08 15:39:00 - [111] Edited by: Willy Nerfalot on 08/12/2009 15:44:53 Originally by: Sokratesz The 'dont fly what you cant lose' crowd are emo fgts that dont fly ms and need to realise that there currently is NO REASON AT ALL to fly a ms. Hold on there soldier. First a disclaimer. I am not in any way suggesting there is or isnt a fault with capital ship balance of any kind That done, ever since i got my first non-noob frigate ive been told the mantra of 'dont fly what you cant afford to lose'. As such, i have never flown anything worth more than 5% of my total wealth. I agree with the message, its sound. Yet when its repeated back to the hyper rich all of a sudden the messengers are 'emo fgts'???? I dont fly a MS yet coz it would cost more than 5% of my wealth, and as such, i dont fly what i cant afford to lose. So, in joyous reply to the same people who drilled it at me: [1] "Dont fly what you cant afford to lose" And i love this one especially after gallente got nerfed to death: [2] "Adapt or die" Advice Mantras are a two way street are they not?
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 16:10:00 - [112] Originally by: Nguyen VanPhuoc So you cant fly anything else or do anything else while CCP work on your primary ship? In this case, no. Quote: If you're flying a Mothership you can fly a BS while you wait for them to be fixed, …and where do you put the mothership in the meantime? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Boink'urr Minmatar Wasserette De Tarthorst	Posted - 2009.12.08 16:18:00 - [113] Originally by: Alanea Winddancer I wonder whether the rebels in Star Wars ever screamed: "OMG, the Death Star laz0r is overpowered! NERF IT!!!" Oh yeah, right, they didn't - they had more balls. Star wars is a movie you drewling nerd. Never happened. Ever.
Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.12.08 16:50:00 - [114] Damn. Do you guys realize that the op claims not to have been the one who got instagibbed? He says he has a Hel he isn't logging in. The ship destroyed was a Nyx... Its a ****ing game balance issue. Lets say a titan costs 80bil. Lets say the MS is fit at 20. That price ratio is about the same between a battleship and a battlecruiser. 2 battleships cannot normally instapop a battlecruiser. Right now MS should be floating in space logged off. They shouldn't log back in until thay get boosted.
Woodwraith Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2009.12.08 17:08:00 - [115] Originally by: Hiroshima Jita Damn. Do you guys realize that the op claims not to have been the one who got instagibbed? He says he has a Hel he isn't logging in. The ship destroyed was a Nyx... Its a ****ing game balance issue. Lets say a titan costs 80bil. Lets say the MS is fit at 20. That price ratio is about the same between a battleship and a battlecruiser. 2 battleships cannot normally instapop a battlecruiser. Right now MS should be floating in space logged off. They shouldn't log back in until thay get boosted. Worse yet the second titan didn't even make the mail, it was the first dd that took the nyx down. getting 20 bill head-shotted in the time it takes a titan dd to spool up in nonsense.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2009.12.08 17:22:00 - [116] Originally by: The Wicked1 And you were voted into the CSM? You don't seem to be able to take critisim without stooping down to theyr level. And from the amount of votes you got (744) I get the feeling that you won just because of your alliance-vote. Edit: And just to avoid having you go blasting away at me concerning the subject matter in this thread I just want to clarify that I have never flown a Mom, Carrier, Titan or any other Capital ship of any kind. Was just waiting for someone to bring this up. I actually made do with very little alliance support, AAA being the only major factor. I did however receive support from many unexpected corners, and my corp only joined TRI during the very last days of the elections. If you'd check some of the other candidates more carefully you will find that they not only had major alliance, but also major blob support, so all in all I am very satisfied by the results. BUT how is all of that relevant? If people post stupid bull** I am going to call them out for it. If you are too stupid, too lazy or too ignorant to post anything useful on the subject then don't post at all. And thank you for the disclaimer, I'll leave you alone now Originally by:** Willy Nerfalot Originally by: Sokratesz The 'dont fly what you cant lose' crowd are emo fgts that dont fly ms and need to realise that there currently is NO REASON AT ALL to fly a ms. Hold on there soldier. First a disclaimer. I am not in any way suggesting there is or isnt a fault with capital ship balance of any kind That done, ever since i got my first non-noob frigate ive been told the mantra of 'dont fly what you cant afford to lose'. As such, i have never flown anything worth more than 5% of my total wealth. I agree with the message, its sound. Yet when its repeated back to the hyper rich all of a sudden the messengers are 'emo fgts'???? I agree the term wasn't very subtle but I stick by it. You have to understand that the 'don't fly what you can't lose' rule has some caveats, for example if a dread could instapop your BS everytime you came near one, would you keep bringing BS'es? Or if BS could instapop BC, would you still fly BC? (note that the BS or BC in this analogy cannot be insured) Originally by: Willy Nerfalot I dont fly a MS yet coz it would cost more than 5% of my wealth, and as such, i dont fly what i cant afford to lose. So, in joyous reply to the same people who drilled it at me: [1] "Dont fly what you cant afford to lose" And i love this one especially after gallente got nerfed to death: [2] "Adapt or die" Advice Mantras are a two way street are they not? Adapting in this case would mean 'don't play the game' which cannot be what anyone wants.
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2009.12.08 17:27:00 - [117] Well, I find it personally a bit silly. The silly part is not the titan's damage, but the effectivity of a mothership. About everything in EVE that people fly, people always make their decision to fly/buy it based on: -how usefull is it. -how much does it cost. -how vulnerable is it. Basically how efficient is something. Ship efficiency: use/cost * survivability(is between 0 and 1) At this moment its very clear however, that a mothership in his current state is: -too expensive for its use.(compared to a carrier for example) -too vulnerable for its use/cost So, clearly, with the new titan damage, the survivability of a mothership went basically almost to zero, which clearly makes it outdated and not usefull for any current combat situation anymore, except maybe a few rare situations. Obvious CCP never bothered about balancing motherships vs this new big weapon. (would be easily to do, just give them an extra resistance vs this type of weapon) Before the change a mothership wouldnt be killed by multiple titans DDs, the mothership had a role and was able to survive this stuff, although they still died by dreadnoughts/carriers and BS and other stuff. (yes, even during this time the mothership has a questionable effectivity in use/cost, but it was ok) Now however the mothership is too vulnerable for his current buildcost and its use and you are plain stupid to risk them in combat, because they just dont give that much use in the current combat tactics, that makes it worthwhile to risk them. And that last part is just plain stupid and sad. CCP, when do you really learn how this game works, after all this years, you would expect you would understand the basics?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.12.08 17:29:00 - [118] Originally by: Alanea Winddancer I wonder whether the rebels in Star Wars ever screamed: "OMG, the Death Star laz0r is overpowered! NERF IT!!!" Oh yeah, right, they didn't - they had more balls. if we could fly a bomber down the exaust vent and pop a torp into the main reactor and escape before it explodes.. this would be quite a different thread indeed. sort it out ccp, im not a mom pilot so im not directly at risk, but i feel utterly gutted for them as they cant dock and wait it out and if they try to play they will get insta owned. Yeah id be very very hacked off about this. play for years get freindly with a copr/allience spend billions of skills, support ccps game directly and indirectly - then BAM suddenly live in fear of instaly loosing your eve-lifes worth.
D3F4ULT Gallente	Posted - 2009.12.08 17:37:00 - [119] Edited by: D3F4ULT on 08/12/2009 17:37:25 Even I, a high-sec miner, can see "broke" written all over this.
LordSwift Caldari SWG-RoNaN-BloOdFiN	Posted - 2009.12.08 18:05:00 - [120] Yeah ok i dont know how to fly these ships but i dont see what your problem is really. Its a Titan!!! it has a Doomsday weapon. If you want to make ships able to survive these attacks then its not very Doomsday is it. Might as well just call the Amarr DD "HyperBeam" or something. when you are primaried by a titan you should not expect to live. I sure wouldnt but i wouldnt rage about losing my capitol ship. In a capitol fight against titans you will most likely lose ships anyway. no one answered my question before, Whats the delay on a DD after firing. Can one be killed during that time? If so whats the issue?

WhiteSavage Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 18:21:00 - [121] Well CCP WAS going to buff supercarriers to even up the playing field... but if I remember people whined that buff to death... so now that titans can easily kill your ships you have nobody to blame except your own whining mouthholes. IRONIC and I LOVE it.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 18:35:00 - [122] Originally by: WhiteSavage Well CCP WAS going to buff supercarriers to even up the playing field... but if I remember people whined that buff to death... so now that titans can easily kill your ships you have nobody to blame except your own whining mouthholes. Close, but not quite. CCP was going to change motherships into super carriers to even up the playing field. But then CCP whined that buff to death (the players loved it). So now they're blaming CCP for the imbalance they created. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tappits Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 18:43:00 - [123] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Gun Gal his fitting was very bad. face it, you have a 18 bill ship you should fit it accordingly. he didnt. he died. move along. Funny guy. Second titan didn't do any damage because he POPPED AFTER MY DD. Even if he had had slaves, and t2 trimarks, and x-type hardeners, he would have died. you know its wrong when the people that did it say its wrong. sok for prez ---------------------------------------------- I fail At forums ٩๏̯͡๏)۶
WhiteSavage Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 18:53:00 - [124] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: WhiteSavage Well CCP WAS going to buff supercarriers to even up the playing field... but if I remember people whined that buff to death... so now that titans can easily kill your ships you have nobody to blame except your own whining mouthholes. Close, but not quite. CCP was going to change motherships into super carriers to even up the playing field. But then CCP whined that buff to death (the players loved it). So now they're blaming CCP for the imbalance they created. lol actually CCP didnt change the HP at all. They nerfed the DPS a little bit, because they felt it was too overpowered. And since this has nothing to do with dps, you are incorrect sir. But you knew that...
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 19:02:00 - [125] Originally by: WhiteSavage lol actually CCP didnt change the HP at all. They nerfed the DPS a little bit, because they felt it was too overpowered. And since this has nothing to do with dps, you are incorrect sir. But you knew that. Ehm. What are you on about? I'm talking about motherships and their cancelled transformation into super carriers, just as a point of reference. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Vengeance Raze Black Nova Corp IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 19:07:00 - [126] Edited by: Vengeance Raze on 08/12/2009 19:08:37 Originally by: LordSwift If you want to make ships able to survive these attacks then its not very Doomsday is it. Might as well just call the Amarr DD "HyperBeam" or something. when you are primaried by a titan you should not expect to live. This is such a ******ed arguement. Ok, so you believe in this mantra? So a Titan fires its DD, the target should expect to die in one go. What is the target is another Titan?! Then is it ok for something to survive the DD of megahyperbeamdeathforcego5 cannon?! Titans and MoM's are BOTH supercapitals. Titans and MoM's are BOTH bound to an undocked space exsistance. Titans and MoM's are BOTH far more expensive than regular capitals due to the build cost in terms of materials. They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong. Go back to pre-school. Do not pass go. Do not collect pocket money.
WhiteSavage Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 19:26:00 - [127] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: WhiteSavage lol actually CCP didnt change the HP at all. They nerfed the DPS a little bit, because they felt it was too overpowered. And since this has nothing to do with dps, you are incorrect sir. But you knew that. Ehm. What are you on about? I'm talking about motherships and their cancelled transformation into super carriers, just as a point of reference. I'm not sure where you got lost... People whining because motherships are weak against titans... something that would have been less problematic if CCP had pushed through their intended supercarrier changes which included an HP buff... changes that were not pushed through because of a large enough portion of the forum community, as yourself, whining and crying and sobbing and throwing tantrums about CCP lessening their SUGGESTED dps. I followed those threads with interest... and CCP dealt/reacted to the eve community as best they could and finally with every suggest they made being whiplashed by temper tantrums they, quite understandably decided to keep everything as it is for now. And that leads us to our situation today... WHat part did you not follow/understand?
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.08 19:48:00 - [128] Originally by: WhiteSavage WHat part did you not follow/understand? The part where any of what you said had anything to do with what I said, especially as any form of contradiction. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Shuddayomoufa	Posted - 2009.12.08 21:08:00 - [129] Edited by: Shuddayomoufa on 08/12/2009 21:12:11 When I was a kid, there was a rich kid Jimmy in the neighborhood that got a new chopper type bike. This thing had like 4 foot long forks on it. It was sweet (We are talking the 70's Evil Kenevil era here BTW) Now Jimmy got a new bike like every year, and we all had hand-me downs. He liked to make fun of them and laughed when we wrecked. Anyway, he never let anyone try it out, and only took it out in his driveway. One day, we were jumping our banana-seat-with-sissy-bar fitted Schwinns over a ramp made from a tree stump and plywood, getting big air, and Jimmy thought it would be cool to jump his chopper. One jump and the forks bent. The bike was destroyed. Good times.
Grapez The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2009.12.09 00:01:00 - [130] I'm gonna be honest here; at the beginning of this thread I was leaning heavily towards the Sokratez-fix-moms side, but after reading the thread again today I'm more leaning towards the ****-em-Eves-a-hard-place side. Not that the latter side has been particularly well argued ITT, but that I feel it fits more naturally with what Eve is and should be.

fuze Gallente Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.12.09 00:36:00 - [131] Originally by: grapez I'm gonna be honest here; at the beginning of this thread I was leaning heavily towards the Sokratez-fix-moms side, but after reading the thread again today I'm more leaning towards the **-em-Eves-a-hard-place side. Not that the latter side has been particularly well argued ITT, but that I feel it fits more naturally with what Eve is and should be. This is a perfect example why Bush jr was voted for president TWICE in the US. Originally by:** The Mittani Where's the excellence?
Grapez The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2009.12.09 00:39:00 - [132] Originally by: fuze Originally by: grapez I'm gonna be honest here; at the beginning of this thread I was leaning heavily towards the Sokratez-fix-moms side, but after reading the thread again today I'm more leaning towards the ****-em-Eves-a-hard-place side. Not that the latter side has been particularly well argued ITT, but that I feel it fits more naturally with what Eve is and should be. This is a perfect example why Bush jr was voted for president TWICE in the US. Well, he did win, like you wrote, and twice. How many Doomsdays should any ship be able to tank? Let's just discuss this generally without referring to motherships for a little bit.
Dakius	Posted - 2009.12.09 00:51:00 - [133] Did motherships not get the 100% hp buff, bombers, and class name changed to supercarriers?
Shasta Racka	Posted - 2009.12.09 00:56:00 - [134] Originally by: Obsidian Hawk I think people are missing the point of this thread. This is a 16 billion isk ship that got 1 shotted. A SUPER CAPITAL got 1 shotted. Isn't there something wrong with that? Applebabe I love you and all but could you put the link back up please? This is an issue that urgently needs to be addressed. Isn't that what the new Titans are supposed to do? I mean the Death Star one-shotted Alderaan.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross	Posted - 2009.12.09 01:04:00 - [135] Originally by: Dakius Did motherships not get the 100% hp buff, bombers, and class name changed to supercarriers? No, they did not. Because of Nohz. ---------- There is always a choice. The choice might not be easy, nor simple, nor the options be what you desire - but, nevertheless, the choice is there to be made.
Shasta Racka	Posted - 2009.12.09 01:10:00 - [136] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: LordSwift What you want mom's to be able to withstand multiple dd's? Come on a Doomsday Weapon is meant to be that. Its meant to be a feared weapon. Much better than before when it could take out a fleet if they were not ready for it. Either way the titan is vulnerable once its fired the DD anyway so in a large fleet engagement it wont matter. Just be prepared to lose one ship. dont see the issue with that. Is their a refire delay on the dd?? If so i dont see the problem jesus *** **ing christ. It is so easy to tell from the replies here who does and doesn't fly a ms. Do you think its ok for 20bil isk to pulverize in 10 seconds without any sort of counter? Are you absolutely sure there was no way to counter?
eyesee you	Posted - 2009.12.09 01:10:00 - [137] haha
Trent Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.09 01:22:00 - [138] Originally by: WhiteSavage CCP dealt/reacted to the eve community as best they could and finally with every suggest they made being whiplashed by temper tantrums they, quite understandably decided to keep everything as it is for now. What you are forgetting/missing is the first incarnation of motherships/supercarriers we tested on singularity. The reworking that was headed up by a dev who had actually used capitals and was familiar with capital fleet combat. There was no "whining crying and sobbing" at this point. They were thoroughly tested and everyone on sisi (even non MS pilots) loved them. MS were to have a role as a cap killer and gave MS pilots a reason to throw their 16+ bil ships into a cap fight. The MS changes were one of the anticipated highlights of Domion even when enthusiasm about Sov began to wane. Then shortly before Dominion MS were quietly changed to a completely neutered version of the ship that had been tested and approved. It was still a bit better than the Tranq version but fell far short of what was needed. Players told CCP as much. In response CCP pulled another revamp out of its ass. While the latest proposal was better for MS pilots it would also turn the MS into the ultimate station gank machine. It was a bad idea for the game as a whole and players said so. In the end, the Devs got their feelings hurt and decided to punish players by doing nothing at all. If this wasn't bad enough, the voice that tried to justify taking our new MS from us was a Dev who on multiple occasions demonstrated that he has zero experience with capitals and capital fleet combat apart from spreadsheets CCP did not react to the eve community the best they could. The community was shouting for CCP to implement the original MS changes the entire time. CCP got yelled at because the new changes were BAD and anyone who knew anything about capital warfare knew that. Colonies and Capitals
Shasta Racka	Posted - 2009.12.09 01:27:00 - [139] Originally by: Vengeance Raze Edited by: Vengeance Raze on 08/12/2009 19:08:37 Originally by: LordSwift If you want to make ships able to survive these attacks then its not very Doomsday is it. Might as well just call the Amarr DD "HyperBeam" or something. when you are primaried by a titan you should not expect to live. This is such a *****ed arguement. Ok, so you believe in this mantra? So a Titan fires its DD, the target should expect to die in one go. What is the target is another Titan?! Then is it ok for something to survive the DD of megahyperbeamdeathforcego5 cannon?! Titans and MoM's are BOTH supercapitals. Titans and MoM's are BOTH bound to an undocked space exsistance. Titans and MoM's are BOTH far more expensive than regular capitals due to the build cost in terms of materials. They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong. Go back to pre-school. Do not pass go. Do not collect pocket money. The titan still has what, a 10 minute timer before they can take another shot? This is just my personal opinion, but I think the Titan should* be able to one one-shot anything in the game, at least since they removed AOE DD. Motherships may need boosts in some other areas, but survivability specifically against DDs should not be one of them, IMO. Since Titans can no longer kill fleets of BSes what is their new role? One-shotting.
Kowaii Rabbit o1nk	Posted - 2009.12.09 08:28:00 - [140] Yes, it all sounds very rational when we think in terms of Star Wars Death Stars. Difference is, this isn't a movie, and there weren't dozens of Death Stars roaming the galaxy and getting more numerous by the day. If things don't change, it will soon become extremely dangerous to move cap ships anywhere and they will completely lose any function they had. Repping POS with carriers, sieging POS with dreads, cynoing to POS or even stations, undocking, any kind of pvp is going to become extremely hazardous even if there is a single neutral/hostile in the system if it's packing a cyno and actively looking for a target. The whines are only going to increase and get louder as caps start insta-popping all over Eve for doing mundane cap ship tasks that shouldn't be considered risky in the extreme. 秋田市 EZY English 英会話スクール http://www.ezy-english.com/

Stygian Knight Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.09 08:57:00 - [141] Originally by: Vengeance Raze They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong. LOL.... as mentioned MS can easily tank 1 DD there is no question about it...
Ethidium Bromide Amarr ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.09 09:30:00 - [142] HAHA see, there i was taking a break from eve as it was getting boring and dull! then one day i logged in and saw nice planets and new starfields and i liked the browser aso. then i checked the forums and realized CCP really doesn't have any people who know **** about QA. so there i leave again and laugh!
Scam Watcher	Posted - 2009.12.09 09:31:00 - [143] funny how no one made a big deal when the AOE Doomsday had the EXACT same capability to wipe out multiple billions of ISK in BS with one button press. I guess MS pilots are entitled to whine more about it than BS pilots? Because when there's fewer people flying motherships it means more people will pay attention to you? The doomsday is fine. Stop crying Sok and friends.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.09 09:43:00 - [144] Originally by: Scam Watcher funny how no one made a big deal when the AOE Doomsday had the EXACT same capability to wipe out multiple billions of ISK in BS with one button press. Ehm… they did, that's why we got the new one. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
fuze Gallente Quam Singulari	Posted - 2009.12.09 10:56:00 - [145] Originally by: Trent Nichols CCP did not react to the eve community the best they could. The community was shouting for CCP to implement the original MS changes the entire time. CCP got yelled at because the new changes were BAD and anyone who knew anything about capital warfare knew that. In addition they didn't explain why the unmade these changes and they left all pilots in moms out to dry because they couldn't make up their mind. We're now at 1.02 of Dominion and they still didn't address this. How can you be sure as a player to help CCP with upcoming changes that can be scrapped on a whim? How does it comply with the stated policy that CCP wants to listen to their playerbase as much as they can? Yet failing again at communicating properly with the players. All blogs about Dominion were superficial and only brought up more questions by the players. They also gave the impression that they were rushed and showed off the self importance of the writers. I don't think you can blame individual devs for this but this has to do with the higher ranks. CCP recruited quite a few veteran players and they have come up with great enhancements for the game. Those people have shown to be a bigger asset to the game development than the self claiming experts of the game who have thus far made a string of bad decisions. Since Noah and Torfri have been lead devs the playerbase has been more restless than before. They really should ask themselves if they are the right people for the job. Originally by: The Mittani Where's the excellence?
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2009.12.09 11:19:00 - [146] Originally by: Stygian Knight Originally by: Vengeance Raze They should BOTH be able to survive a DD, one can, one can not. This is wrong. LOL.... as mentioned MS can easily tank 1 DD there is no question about it... so can a damnation, if it wants to... so..? - putting the gist back into logistics
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McFly C0LDFIRE	Posted - 2009.12.09 11:47:00 - [148] Originally by: LordSwift no one answered my question before, Whats the delay on a DD after firing. Can one be killed during that time? If so whats the issue? Since no one is answering this guy I figured I'd point it out for the thread. Titans cannot cloak or jump for 10 minutes, however they dont stop moving while firing the DD (just kinda slow down a bit) then with a set of nomads and a nanofit they are in warp about 30-40 seconds after their DDD goes off. Now MS Pilots should be able to avoid this without a spy giving up where they'll be and when (in a travelling scenario). However if you are outside the pos shields, and a cyno opens 150km away, 30 seconds later you are dead. and without the speed of pre quantum rise, no HIC is gonna tackle the two titans that are warping off grid by the time you stop lagging from the ship exploding. In all reality what people are saying in this thread is there is NOTHING that ANYONE can do to prevent this from happening with the exception of not logging in. The only thing I can think of that would allow a supercap to move and cyno safely is... cyno opens at pos mothership jumps another pilot shoots cyno pilot (destroying cyno) cyno pilot warps mothership cloaks and approaches shields and prays for the next 10-20 minutes it takes to get in the shield. If everything is timed right and there isn't a covops watching your tower, you will be ok. Otherwise, Dont Login. Titans are just like everything else has been in eve since day one. More is better. 150 Enemy BS lets bring 200 BS. they have 5 titans, lets bring 10. Even if it takes 10 titans to instagib a ms, then the big powerblocs will bring 10 to the grid just to do it. The only negating factor will be whether or not enough titans are online at that moment, or whether or not the alliance has enough allied/coalition titans to do the job. Instadeath means no mitigating factor in eve combat works. No Reps, no remote reps no triage, nothing. You are dead and that's it. HICs/dictors are no longer need to kill a mom, HICs/Dictors can't tackle the offending titan in these situations. two things needed imo. 1.) Titan should be stuck on grid for a period of time 2.) Mom needs it's SiSi Testing circa October HP Boost. Disclaimer: I am a mothership pilot, and no I'm not logging it in. But I think it's bull**** that I have to lock up an 80mil SP character for the foreseeable future because CCP couldn't make a decision. Not to mention years of work and a lot of isk invested in my space mobilehome/trophy completely useless ship I'm not selling. I'm not selling becuase 1) no one will buy for what I believe to be it's value. 2) I shouldn't have to sell a ship I spent years working for because CCP screwed up.
Krypton VI	Posted - 2009.12.09 21:00:00 - [149] no fraps? Boo!
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.10 08:14:00 - [150] This thread doesn't make it clear if all motherships would be destroyed by one shot from a Titan, or just this one. Perhaps the Mothership was a carelessly-fitted mission-runner, and couldn't handle a PvP encounter? Some questions: 1. Can a Carrier be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan? 2. Can a Mothership be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan? If the answers are yes/no I'd be very interested to learn why.

Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.12.10 09:23:00 - [151] Edited by: Omara Otawan on 10/12/2009 09:28:54 So, may I ask how many Titans would be acceptable to kill a Mothership in one volley? Two? Three? How many battleships would be acceptable to take one down before their 15 minute logoff timer runs out? The often discussed price factor certainly is invalid as an argument, see cruiser vs HAC for reference.
Stygian Knight Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.12.10 09:27:00 - [152] Originally by: Elena Laskova Some questions: 1. Can a Carrier be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan? 2. Can a Mothership be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan? Already answered in this thread.
Elena Laskova	Posted - 2009.12.10 09:44:00 - [153] Edited by: Elena Laskova on 10/12/2009 09:46:06 For Motherships the thread provides both possible answers, which is the same as none at all. I didn't see any claim that Carriers can be destroyed in one shot. On balance, it looks like someone in a poorly fitted Mothership got ambushed and destroyed in one shot. This says nothing about what might happen if a Mothership fitted correctly for the post-Dominion game faced a Titan. Given that Mothership pilots are a tiny irrelevant minority in EvE, you'd think someone would care to explain this in a little more detail. After all, they need the support of the highSec majority for any major changes.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.12.10 09:55:00 - [154] Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/12/2009 09:56:34 Originally by: Stygian Knight Originally by: Elena Laskova Some questions: 1. Can a Carrier be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan? 2. Can a Mothership be fitted to absorb a shot from a Titan? Already answered in this thread. It took longer to type that snotty remark then answering the question would have Originally by: Shasta Racka The titan still has what, a 10 minute timer before they can take another shot? This is just my personal opinion, but I think the Titan should be able to one one-shot anything in the game, Yes its disgracefully weak. Only one button - one shooting 6 motherships an hour. SKUNK (o)
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.12.10 10:04:00 - [155] Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 10/12/2009 10:06:21 Originally by: Elena Laskova Edited by: Elena Laskova on 10/12/2009 09:46:06 For Motherships the thread provides both possible answers, which is the same as none at all. I didn't see any claim that Carriers can be destroyed in one shot. On balance, it looks like someone in a poorly fitted Mothership got ambushed and destroyed in one shot. This says nothing about what might happen if a Mothership fitted correctly for the post-Dominion game faced a Titan. Given that Mothership pilots are a tiny irrelevant minority in EvE, you'd think someone would care to explain this in a little more detail. After all, they need the support of the highSec majority for any major changes. They don't need the majoritys support. The majority doesn't fully understand most issues or how things work, so their opinion is largely irrelevant. The only people they need to convince of anything are the guys and gals at CCP. The issue also has been explained multiple times, and CCPs own plans for the ship suggest they largely agree with the whiners, so convincing them shouldn't be too hard.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel.	Posted - 2009.12.10 11:32:00 - [156] They should one shot BS's and thats it. Carriers+ should be able to survive. I have put my capital training on hold till they fix it, its months and months of skills and billions of isk in modules/ships/skill books... all the be destroyed in 30 seconds by some dude in a Titan. And especially the low sec thing.. they shouldnt be useable in low sec AT ALL!
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.12.10 11:36:00 - [157] Edited by: Mag''s on 10/12/2009 11:36:35 Seems they did a silent nerf on that in lo-sec. Originally by: Vuk Lau 10:58:47 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions. When we tried to doomsday in lowsec just before DT. CCP awesome job with silent nerf. I see that you are back on good old track of fail. Edit: Source
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2009.12.10 12:04:00 - [158] Was it announced in a dev blog that Titan's would in future be able to use their super capital weapons in low sec? I had assumed this ability was an oversight by CCP... Low sec carrier station huggers rejoice Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator


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