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Drewbicus
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:10:00 -
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What is the best industrial ship, and why do you say that? Also, how would you outfit it? |
Private Idaho
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Posted - 2003.06.24 19:36:00 -
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I would have to say the Iteron Mk V.
Why?
Biggest Cargo Hold - 4000
Best Slots 2 High, 5 Med, 5 Low
Best Structure
Best Armor
Best Shields
Highest Price
Slowest Speed
Ok?
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Ilia Volyova
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Posted - 2003.06.24 20:07:00 -
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And Indy Skill lvl5 required..so: no.
Unless you want to train your indy skill up to level 5 for one month I would say the bestower (amarr) - it has the best stats of all indys exept the iterion V.
If they could get the special of the ship to work (cargo room +5% per skill level) it will be actually better than the iterion V.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.06.24 20:23:00 -
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Best at all costs:
Iteron MkV
Best without training forever:
Bestower
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Konru
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Posted - 2003.06.24 21:43:00 -
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It would be very hard to define any one industrial as "best" without really defining what you want to do with it, or what you think "best" is.
The Gallente Iteron Mk V is the best industrial you can hope to get for most situations. It has good cargo, lots of slots for cargo expanders and afterburners (or other high-tech equipment). If you have the skill to pilot it, there is no reason (other than money) to pilot anything else. "If you have the skill" is the big catch though. Since it requires Gallente Industrial skill level 5 to pilot most people just don't have the patience.
The Amarr Bestower is probably the best out there for hauling cargo in safe space. It is manufactured cheap over most of space, doesn't require a lot of skill to pilot, and has four low-slots for cargo expanders. If the bonus was working properly, it could have the biggest cargo-hold you can get.
Then there is the unusual case of the Minmatar Mammoth and the Caldari Badger Mk. II. While Lots of mid-power slots and heavy shielding (for an industrial) means that these ships can defend themselves rather effectively vs. raiding frigates. A set of four ECM units wouldn't even tax the CPU and there would still be space left for afterburners. The disadvantage here is lack of low slots for cargo expanders. But that's a small price for security, isn't it?
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wild Ari
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Posted - 2003.06.25 08:35:00 -
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the badger MKII might be an option when supporting cruisers in combat areas.
with 6 med slots you can carry a lot of EW stuff and can maintain a pretty high speed turning the indy into a loot and EW platform.
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Drewbicus
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Posted - 2003.06.25 14:42:00 -
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So let's say I buy a Bestower. What should I outfit it with as a cargo/mining assist ship?
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Allaina
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Posted - 2003.06.25 14:51:00 -
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Drew here's my Bestower loadout:
High Slots
Mining laser
<empty> maybe put a smartbomb?
Med Slots
3 ABs of various types
1 Small Shield Booster
Low Slots
4 Alpha mod expanders
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Drewbicus
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Posted - 2003.06.25 20:58:00 -
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What is an "AB?"
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Grylla
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Posted - 2003.06.25 22:11:00 -
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AB == Afterburner (25%+ speed improvement depending on model)
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snotty
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Posted - 2003.06.26 08:49:00 -
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my bestower:
3x cold gas arcjet AB
1x Lif AB
4x alpha hull expander
speed: 523 m/s
cargo 8100 m3
need some 24.9% expanders to get the cargo up and some training to get the speed up a tad more, NPC pirates still can lock me at the gates.
pretty good for a lvl1 ship, but eventually ill get a mark 5 and the good modules to make a 1Km/s +, 10.000+ cargo ship
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Drewbicus
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Posted - 2003.06.26 13:03:00 -
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Wow, that's pretty fast for a barge. :)
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.06.26 13:31:00 -
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My Bestower goes at over 1500m/s with 4 LiF burners and 4 basic injectors, I have better injectors but haven't got around to fitting them yet.
For cargo space I'm well over 9000m3, using 2x24.2%ers and 2x21.9%ers - two more 24.2%ers will take me over 10000m3. Sadly in that config I only make about 600m/s using the 4 LiFs last time I checked :-)
Typically I don't go to extremes though except for very long trips where I go for speed or very short safe ones where I go for volume. Bit dangerous otherwise :-)
Have fun
Finn
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snotty
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Posted - 2003.06.26 15:43:00 -
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you bought the 24.5%'s or looted them?
and if you looted them what drop them?
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Starfire
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Posted - 2003.06.26 16:18:00 -
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please don't forget the +5% cargo capacity given by the amarr indy skill when piloting a Bestower.
my regular loadout with indy skill 3 and acceleration control 3:
High slots:
1 mining laser
medium slots:
1 small shield booster
3 Lif AB
low slots:
1 Alpha Hull mod expander
3 Expander 1
now my stats:
Cargospace: 8056
Basic-Speed: 96m/s
with ab: 400m/s
and keep in mind thats only skill lvl 3 in amarr indy if i train it to lvl 5 i get another 10% cargo space evening out the 1 more low slot of the iteron 5 i think
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Alkanine
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Posted - 2003.10.07 10:06:00 -
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when they are both at level 5 a iteron equpied with 5 expanders and a bestower with 4 expanders and level 5 amarr. (note the expanders are not crappy 15%s.
the iteron 5 will actually beat the bestower slightly in cargo space even when both at level 5.
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Kram Calama
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Posted - 2003.10.07 13:08:00 -
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I fly a Bestower with 4 AB's in the mid slots and 2 Beta Hull Mod Expanders 25.08%, one Partial Hull Expander 24.2% and a Cargo Expander 1.
I have a top speed of over 250m/s and a cargo space well over 8000 (I can't remember the exact amount).
The problem is I hate flying indy so cargo space means nothing to me so do any of you hauling jockeys wanna make me an offer for my lurvely BIG expanders!! 
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JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2003.10.07 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: JP Beauregard on 07/10/2003 13:50:33
While the Iteron V is the biggest and slowest and the Bestower the cheapest given its size, I still prefer the Badger II for hauling in ATZs (******* Transit Zones (R)) and the Mammoth for my daily trade runs.
The Badger II is fitted for defense (not speed) and the Mammoth (with its speed bonus per level) is fitted for a combo of defense, speed and cargo space - 4 LiFs, one shield booster (or 3 LiFs, one shield booster, one hardener), 2x17% expanders and 1x24% expander with two giant secure containers in the hold for extra storage space of more than 8500 m¦ in 2+1 compartments (alternatively beta nanofiber hull mods for speed and a bit of extra cargo, which requires a different combo of secure containers of course).
Since I value versatility more than anything else in my ships and couldn't be bothered to spend a month training only to wind up flying the slowest indy in space, the Mammoth wins.
Mammoths = BIG, STRONG, WOW .-)
JP Beauregard
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Gee Man
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Posted - 2003.10.07 14:00:00 -
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JP, you forgot *cough* TADA-O ;-)
Badgers, Mushrooms & Snakes |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.10.07 14:30:00 -
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Gosh, only 9000m3...those were the days...sigh...
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James Hawkings
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Posted - 2003.10.07 15:42:00 -
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i'm a iteron mk5 pilot i run
1 miner laser
5 cold gas ABs
4 Local cargo expanders
1 partial cargo expander
450m/s
13104m3 cargo
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Peirce
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Posted - 2003.10.07 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Peirce on 07/10/2003 17:44:40
I'm rather fond of my badger mark2 atm, it is not the best for cargo cap but it's fast, agile, and rather robust. One of the biggest benifits is that it seems to almost never get stuck on roids, i can only remember a handfull of times i've really gotten stuck.
Currently i fly with a 125mm railgun, small sheild booster, 3 monopropelant afterburners, and 2 24% expanders. This gives me 4000 (or very close to it) cargo cap, and a top speed of 330m/s with my current skills, as well as 2 open mid slots i can use for EW if nessary.
There's really not way it can compeate with a mamoth ot iteron mrk 5. But it currently works well for my needs :)
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Zarks
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Posted - 2003.10.07 17:49:00 -
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I¦m one of the idiots that have trained the Iteron V. Although now it feels ok with 13445 cargo, ( 17045 with secure conts ).
But I still dont know if it was worth the sacrifice, 1M skillpoints could have done lots of good deeds in other places.
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Barbicane
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Posted - 2003.10.07 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Barbicane on 08/10/2003 20:49:17
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I¦m one of the idiots that have trained the Iteron V.
Me too ;)
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But I still dont know if it was worth the sacrifice, 1M skillpoints could have done lots of good deeds in other places.
For hauling cargo I agree; The advantage of Iteron MkV over Bestower isn't worth the extra training time. But try to outfit your Mk5 for a combination of speed and cargo. That's when the extra mid-slot and the extra low-slot really pays off.
My MkV is currently configured for 6935 m3 of cargo and has a max speed of 1900+ m/s. Try to do that with a Bestower. And it's fun to race the battleships at the gates. They kick in their MWD and still can't catch up 
Edit: and that is 1900+ m/s with ABs and Nanos only. No Mwd.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.10.07 22:42:00 -
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The bestower is the best industrial if you want a quick effect without investing loads of time.
1m skillpoints, man...
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2003.10.08 03:02:00 -
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Hands down, Iteron mkV, You can fit a MWD on it, its pretty, has the highest cargo, has the most slots. even if the bestower's bouns was working, you would need level 5 amarr indy to even compare to the capacity of the Iteron V.
If ya want it now, (course, not even "now" if you don't have amarr frigate trained) Get a bestower, if ya want bang for your buck, get an Iteron V
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TranceControl
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Posted - 2003.10.08 14:18:00 -
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hmm think of this...
Train to ammar indy lvl5 and get 25% more cargo.... and the train for the itheron Mark V what will you get if you have 27,85% CE's on it too though.. hehe and a small MWD...
I think all skills need training.. so better speed.. better mining... better cargo... better everything...
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.10.08 16:13:00 -
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guys, that industrial lvl V skill is gonna be needed at some point.
Iteron Mk V - though I'm glad I waited until I have implants to learn it :)
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Kaylon Syi
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Posted - 2003.10.08 20:35:00 -
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Megacyte Shortage = Iteron MK V is NEEDED NOW. I can make a 32 1 way trip to the belt in my 7k cargo / 650ms Bestower and its not as bad but I want a 10k Iteron that can travel 1k ms or better. Also it makes it easier if I need to go into a belt to pick up Cargo from the BSs Mining the Bistot. Already lost 1 Bestower to those NPC random spawns because shields SUCK. MWD on a Itty MK 5 would solve that, or even 5 lif boosters so I could keep my shields. Come to think about it... 5 lif boosters with accell control 3 or 4 would absolutely rock and use 2 Local Hull Nanos and 3 27% and you have one fast ship for those 64 jump per run trips.
So I say suck it up and train for MK 5 and become the most sought after player in the game. Haulers are neccessary and now in 0.0 bistot mining its a MUST HAVE.
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James Hawkings
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Posted - 2003.10.08 21:54:00 -
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i see people posting that you can rig a mwd on a iteron, you can't do it unless you sacrifice 2 low slots to powergrid boosters. at engineering lvl4 teh mk5 has 42 grid. mwd needs 50 grid.
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Haine Arai
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:34:00 -
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Amarr Indy level 4 =)
2x Beta's 25%
1x Marked I SS Modified 20%
1x Type D Altered SS 22%
3x Mono AFB's
1x AFB I
10k or so Cargo dunno my speed tho i just got the Mono's tonight =)
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Haine Arai
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Posted - 2003.10.09 04:34:00 -
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Amarr Indy level 4 =)
2x Beta's 25%
1x Marked I SS Modified 20%
1x Type D Altered SS 22%
3x Mono AFB's
1x AFB I
10k or so Cargo dunno my speed tho i just got the Mono's tonight =)
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2003.10.09 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gaijin Lanis on 09/10/2003 06:04:06
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i see people posting that you can rig a mwd on a iteron, you can't do it unless you sacrifice 2 low slots to powergrid boosters. at engineering lvl4 teh mk5 has 42 grid. mwd needs 50 grid.
Yes, thank you, well known. No one who knows the power of a mwd cares.
Frankly, i think anyone here would choose 2.7x the speed over 1.66x the cargo.
(the trade between full Type-D Altered SS & full LiF, to Quad LiF & three Type-D altered SS expanders, Even using two Local nanofibers would only have 10006 cargo with a max speed (no skills) of 446m/s)
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2003.10.09 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gaijin Lanis on 09/10/2003 06:04:06
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i see people posting that you can rig a mwd on a iteron, you can't do it unless you sacrifice 2 low slots to powergrid boosters. at engineering lvl4 teh mk5 has 42 grid. mwd needs 50 grid.
Yes, thank you, well known. No one who knows the power of a mwd cares.
Frankly, i think anyone here would choose 2.7x the speed over 1.66x the cargo.
(the trade between full Type-D Altered SS & full LiF, to Quad LiF & three Type-D altered SS expanders, Even using two Local nanofibers would only have 10006 cargo with a max speed (no skills) of 446m/s)
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.10.09 11:52:00 -
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Space/Time = Bestower (ugly tho - and looks like a passenger vehicle - and EVERY1 flys it)
King = Iteron V (looks gorgeous too)
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s0cks
The Scope
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Posted - 2003.10.09 11:52:00 -
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Space/Time = Bestower (ugly tho - and looks like a passenger vehicle - and EVERY1 flys it)
King = Iteron V (looks gorgeous too)
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jello
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:41:00 -
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I'll tell you what isn't the Mammoth.
Its ****e!
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jello
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2003.10.09 14:41:00 -
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I'll tell you what isn't the Mammoth.
Its ****e!
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Dunpeal Hunter
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.17 11:26:00 -
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lol i found this topic by searching, i didn't know what the hell you where talking about until i saw the date: 24/06/2003
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Cividari
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.17 11:36:00 -
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Forum necromany is bad 
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Arx Fatal
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Posted - 2006.10.17 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gee Man
JP, you forgot *cough* TADA-O ;-)
This guy wins at the internets!
Was my first MMORPG...
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