| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |

Squrriel Insurgent
Kai Family Aperture Science Division T A B O O
5
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:07:00 -
[1] - Quote
I have been reading many arguments about the pvp community telling players how to play EvE. So I have a question to the pve community itself, note not all of the pve community is included in this question.
I have heard a lot of pve miners who say to leave them alone in mining in high sec. Stating that mining in high sec is a easy to to play without playing. Having heard someone once state " mining in high sec is the easiest way for me to play while doing homework".I have read many statements just like that. Where people want to have an area where they can afk or not have to pay little attention to there game while they progress at the task at hand.
Question: what other mmo actually allows you to do that?
From my years of playing a wide varity of mmo's I have yet to find one that allows what you suggest to actually take place. In fact the only way I have seen that happen is through botting. Which if I remember correctly there is not a mmo in the world that allows a player to do that.
So basically you came to one of the most violent and grief filled pvp games in the world and ask to be left alone. Seeing how this is not WoW or any other mmo that dosen't have random mobs popping up on u at every second, or a separate pve sever for you to play on, which even in games like that u still have to pay attention to your screen and actively play the game. I mean this is no different execept that instead of an npc mob attacking u while u gather its a player.
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions? |

Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
206
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:22:00 -
[2] - Quote
If you believe that 80% of the players live in high sec, and the vast majority of isk is generated by mission rats, then your idea that this is a pvp driven game is incorrect. The content of the game might be pvp driven, but that's it. The lore is about violence, war, strife ... the gameplay is pretty boring PVE. Even the majority of the pvp is not unlike a scripted pve event in other games. Most of the time, you know from the start if you're going to win or not based on your ship vs their ship, or your blob vs their blob.
I don't have any sympathy for those that want to afk through the game however. That goes for mission runners, miners, afk cloakies, whatever. If the game isn't compelling enough for you to want to participate in, then find another game.
|

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
555
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:28:00 -
[3] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote:
I have heard a lot of pve miners who say to leave them alone in mining in high sec. Stating that mining in high sec is a easy to to play without playing. Having heard someone once state " mining in high sec is the easiest way for me to play while doing homework".I have read many statements just like that. Where people want to have an area where they can afk or not have to pay little attention to there game while they progress at the task at hand.
Here's another mind bender. If you are afk mining, are you really playing the game? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
728
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:32:00 -
[4] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote:..........
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions?
Please state your source for Eve being a strictly pvp game. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1777
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:32:00 -
[5] - Quote
Rengerel en Distel wrote:the gameplay is pretty boring PVE. I wonder if he's playing the same game we are playing.
I do occasionally do some PVE. It pays for my PLEX when warfare loot doesn't. But the vast majority of my gameplay is PVP. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1777
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:32:00 -
[6] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Squrriel Insurgent wrote:..........
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions? Please state your source for Eve being a strictly pvp game.
My source. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
728
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:35:00 -
[7] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Squrriel Insurgent wrote:..........
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions? Please state your source for Eve being a strictly pvp game. My source.
Please state a source that was authored from someone currently working for CCP. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
535
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:38:00 -
[8] - Quote
I did not know there was a PvE community in a PvP game...
Interesting. |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
211
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:43:00 -
[9] - Quote
AFK Hauler wrote:I did not know there was a PvE community in a PvP game...
Interesting.
|

Squrriel Insurgent
Kai Family Aperture Science Division T A B O O
6
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 21:54:00 -
[10] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Squrriel Insurgent wrote:..........
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions? Please state your source for Eve being a strictly pvp game. Edit: If you set a fishing pole and then sit beside it and read, are you really fishing?
From my understanding.... 1. Miners mine ore 2. Builders build ships. 3. Player buys ship. 4. Player get ship blown up via pve or pvp. 5. Process repeats.
|

Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Perkone Caldari State
165
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 22:07:00 -
[11] - Quote
When mining, I'm using "2 Hulks and an Orca". Every possible skill is on 5, so things happen rather rapidly. Between dealing with the ore (I don't use Cargohold Exp's so one cycle is all it takes to fill up), keeping an eye on Local and looking for anything nearby to suddenly warp in or decloak, and dealing with warping the Orca to and fro, and changing rocks as they are eaten so quickly, I honestly don't stop moving while mining. Hours at a time.
Those who don't pay attention, do lose ships and then do whine on here in GD. That I don't like. If they want to risk destruction of their mining vessels, that's fine by me. I've only had to 'flee' once in the 18 months since the last time I lost a mining ship, and that was due to a nearby decloak and insta-target/scram. I watched the whole thing wide awake at keyboard.
What I do have issues with is folks like this: the 2 Mackinaws with no Orca support that would fill up and then warp back and forth for TWENTY-THREE HOURS straight. For days. I got so over the Overview jumping around constantly, I finally used my PvP alt to pop the both of them. Idiots.
Don't hate the miners. Hate the whiners. Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8037
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 22:11:00 -
[12] - Quote
Rengerel en Distel wrote:If you believe that 80% of the players live in high sec, and the vast majority of isk is generated by mission rats, then your idea that this is a pvp driven game is incorrect. Why would you believe any of that?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
|

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1328
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 22:25:00 -
[13] - Quote
A gross mistake most people do is to believe they know what drives somebody else to play EvE or - even worse - arrogate themselves the inalienable right to decide how EvE must be played "to be truly played as it should".
Just widen your horizons, there are thousands of players each playing EvE *perfectly* since they set up their own goals and follow them.
Yes, even the crappiest AFK miner got goals. Maybe you don't like them, you believe he's not playing the game as YOU think he should but in the meantime that AFK miner could be aspiring to create his little niche in the killboards with his FW main, or wants to grind some ISK to buy BPOS or whatever.
The game mechanics might suck and be boring - a matter of realism, you don't have fun while flipping burgers or painting walls - it's the self objective that counts.
I have met miners with -2.6 sec status. They have just 1 account and AFK mine when at work so they can use the same character to buy a ship and get to low sec and gank stuff later.
Embrace variety, not everybody HAS to play as you think he should or has to share your pro objectives.
Personal example: I rarely log in in EvE. I don't need to. I have won the "become a trusted collateral holder / 3rd party" metagame and now I hold 3rd party amounts sometimes up to 135B. I also like trading, sometimes I do that. Some times I am in a strange mood and do a L4 mission or scan an anomaly. Or go visit PL monument in Amamake. I play EvE the way that made me succeed at all my objectives.
Only missed target was being in a nice low sec / 0.0 PvP corp. I found it, I loved it every minute and then I stopped having the RL time to be worthwhile in there so I resigned. But that's not due to EvE. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

ashley Eoner
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 22:48:00 -
[14] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote:I have been reading many arguments about the pvp community telling players how to play EvE. So I have a question to the pve community itself, note not all of the pve community is included in this question.
I have heard a lot of pve miners who say to leave them alone in mining in high sec. Stating that mining in high sec is a easy to to play without playing. Having heard someone once state " mining in high sec is the easiest way for me to play while doing homework".I have read many statements just like that. Where people want to have an area where they can afk or not have to pay little attention to there game while they progress at the task at hand.
Question: what other mmo actually allows you to do that?
From my years of playing a wide varity of mmo's I have yet to find one that allows what you suggest to actually take place. In fact the only way I have seen that happen is through botting. Which if I remember correctly there is not a mmo in the world that allows a player to do that.
So basically you came to one of the most violent and grief filled pvp games in the world and ask to be left alone. Seeing how this is not WoW or any other mmo that dosen't have random mobs popping up on u at every second, or a separate pve sever for you to play on, which even in games like that u still have to pay attention to your screen and actively play the game. I mean this is no different execept that instead of an npc mob attacking u while u gather its a player.
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions? Any game with a BG or Warzone system which includes WoW SWTOR Rift and other big name MMOs. Pretty much every MMO out there has something you can exploit semi-afk.
Frankly if you're semi-afk mining then you're not nearly maximizing your earning potential and you're leaving yourself very open to a world of hurt. |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
153
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:02:00 -
[15] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote:Question: what other mmo actually allows you to do that? Play while doing homework or housework? Lots of them.
Off the top of my head: Guild Wars. World of Warcraft. The Old Republic. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
|

Lipbite
Express Hauler
85
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:08:00 -
[16] - Quote
CCP used open sea fishing as prototype for mining (not sure if they meant using nets or rods). As I remember fishing consists not only from trawling but also alcohol consumption, searching for fish, socialization, etc. So yes - I believe afk mining (while chatting, reading news, consuming alcohol, etc) is also a part of CCP plan and valid type of gaming activity. The only difference with real fishing is criminal presence in hi-sec "ocean" due to CCP's faith in "EVE is about PvP" dogma.
As for other games which allow to do something within game while AFK - there are lot of craft systems which allow to automate process. Also there was criminal penalty for murderers in Ultima Online - you had to spend 8 hours within game for each kill to be able to resurrect (and it was extremely nice feature which allowed bounty hunting system to work effectively). |

Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
183
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:13:00 -
[17] - Quote
Why did you come to the largest economic simulator and demand to fight all the time? Not everyone thinks the same way you do. This doesn't automatically make them wrong. |

Squrriel Insurgent
Kai Family Aperture Science Division T A B O O
7
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:14:00 -
[18] - Quote
I am not talking about the afk miners who know the threat of afk mining. I am not even talking about the pve mission runners. Everyone has the right to play the game they want too... As long as they know the risk and repercussions of the actions. I can respect the player that knows they can be podded at any time while they r undocked. This means they understand the game and what it has to offer to everyone. The ones I can not respect r the ones who r calling for changes to make it perfectly safe for them to do what they want. We all got into the game for our own reasons, but most of us understand that u can ii or be killed at anytime for any or no reason ay all. We cope and adapt not complain. My question is for the whiners who think CCP should go against there orginal idea just for a small percent of there community who refuses to learn and adapt.
Sorry for any mis spellings type on a smart phone with auto correct sucks. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8039
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:16:00 -
[19] - Quote
Nyreanya wrote:Why did you come to the largest economic simulator and demand to fight all the time? It's all in the perspective. It wouldn't be much of an economy simulator if it didn't involve that, now would it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
|

Squrriel Insurgent
Kai Family Aperture Science Division T A B O O
7
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:25:00 -
[20] - Quote
Makkal Hanaya wrote:Squrriel Insurgent wrote:Question: what other mmo actually allows you to do that? Play while doing homework or housework? Lots of them. Off the top of my head: Guild Wars. World of Warcraft. The Old Republic.
All those games r not pushed as open world pvp. People get into those games knowing that there r rules and regulations for pvp, also there pvp systems r structured. Saying when and where a player can or can not pvp. IE.. pve severe and pvp servers. So how do people say they didn't know Eve was open world pvp? |

ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
742
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:26:00 -
[21] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote: From my understanding.... 1. Miners mine ore 2. Builders build ships. 3. Player buys ship. 4. Player get ship blown up via pve or pvp. 5. Process repeats.
6. Haters hate CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012 |

Flakey Foont
152
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:28:00 -
[22] - Quote
This is like a Certs commercial......
EvE is neither and both.
Some folks are PVE-centric. Use the right terms. |

Annabell Ood
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:32:00 -
[23] - Quote
This may help- Reading is Fun
Freedom is the main reason! I play the game the way I want to I define the game how I see it
your close minded bigotry against pve players shows you to be a very small person and EVE is a very BIG world....... to bad for you you are missing out |

Squrriel Insurgent
Kai Family Aperture Science Division T A B O O
8
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:42:00 -
[24] - Quote
Annabell Ood wrote:This may help- what is a sandbox MMO http://tahamtan.hubpages.com/hub/Sandbox-MMOFreedom is the main reason! I play the game the way I want to I define the game how I see it your close minded bigotry against pve players shows you to be a very small person and EVE is a very BIG world....... to bad for you you are missing out
I agree I am in no way against pve players. I got into eve for that same reason that u can do anything and in any way you want too. but what do u say to the players who do not understand the idea that eve is open world sandbox that can get u killed at anytime. The ones who cry for change when they lose a ship for not paying attention. Like people have said before they pay attention they don't die. So r we to pander to the ones who refuse to adapt. Pvp and pve alike. |

Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
69
|
Posted - 2012.06.18 23:43:00 -
[25] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote:I have been reading many arguments about the pvp community telling players how to play EvE. So I have a question to the pve community itself, note not all of the pve community is included in this question.
I have heard a lot of pve miners who say to leave them alone in mining in high sec. Stating that mining in high sec is a easy to to play without playing. Having heard someone once state " mining in high sec is the easiest way for me to play while doing homework".I have read many statements just like that. Where people want to have an area where they can afk or not have to pay little attention to there game while they progress at the task at hand.
Question: what other mmo actually allows you to do that?
From my years of playing a wide varity of mmo's I have yet to find one that allows what you suggest to actually take place. In fact the only way I have seen that happen is through botting. Which if I remember correctly there is not a mmo in the world that allows a player to do that.
So basically you came to one of the most violent and grief filled pvp games in the world and ask to be left alone. Seeing how this is not WoW or any other mmo that dosen't have random mobs popping up on u at every second, or a separate pve sever for you to play on, which even in games like that u still have to pay attention to your screen and actively play the game. I mean this is no different execept that instead of an npc mob attacking u while u gather its a player.
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions?
Citation needed. |

Olleybear
I R' Carebear
91
|
Posted - 2012.06.19 00:03:00 -
[26] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote: All those games r not pushed as open world pvp. People get into those games knowing that there r rules and regulations for pvp, also there pvp systems r structured. Saying when and where a player can or can not pvp. IE.. pve severe and pvp servers. So how do people say they didn't know Eve was open world pvp?
Your making the assumption that everyone knows exactly what they are getting into when they first saw an advertisement on Eve. For instance, the advertisement I saw on Steam didnt give a person looking at it any feel for what the game is about. It was mostly a bunch of pretty pictures.
Unless you know someone who plays Eve, or read gamer magazine / websites, your not going to know what Eve is about until you subscribe and start playing.
Also, considering a lot of the other MMO's out there do separate pvp from pve and have game mechanics so you need to give permission before a fight begins, can anyone really be surprised by a certain amount of naivete on the part of players who expected to be 100% safe here in Eve? When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |

Squrriel Insurgent
Kai Family Aperture Science Division T A B O O
8
|
Posted - 2012.06.19 00:25:00 -
[27] - Quote
Well that's the point being made. What happened to everyone who got killed the first time in high sec, even of they knew what eve was about from the start or not. They should have learned from that first experience. This is not like he public schools where no child get left behind. If you do not adapt and learn then u should go to another game that holds your hand. Now I am not saying all pve players r like that, but CCP should not listen to the ones who r to lazy to learn. Eve has a high learning curve for that reason to weed out the ones who can not or just refuse to learn. |

Peter Raptor
Plutonian Army
234
|
Posted - 2012.06.19 00:38:00 -
[28] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Squrriel Insurgent wrote:
I have heard a lot of pve miners who say to leave them alone in mining in high sec. Stating that mining in high sec is a easy to to play without playing. Having heard someone once state " mining in high sec is the easiest way for me to play while doing homework".I have read many statements just like that. Where people want to have an area where they can afk or not have to pay little attention to there game while they progress at the task at hand.
Here's another mind bender. If you are afk mining, are you really playing the game?
When you set a mouse trap, are you trying to catch mice?
Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |

Olleybear
I R' Carebear
91
|
Posted - 2012.06.19 00:43:00 -
[29] - Quote
Squrriel Insurgent wrote:Well that's the point being made. What happened to everyone who got killed the first time in high sec, even of they knew what eve was about from the start or not. They should have learned from that first experience.
Your comment about the 'No Child Left Behind' should tell you about the kinds of human beings that are out in RL. Those same people play Eve.
People continually do the same thing over and over. They really do expect different results each and every time. They rarely ever learn, especially when they are to blame for what happened. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
|
Posted - 2012.06.19 01:00:00 -
[30] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Squrriel Insurgent wrote:..........
So please help me understand, in short you came to a strictly pvp driven game and ask to make it safe for you to pve mine with no worries of any negative repercussions? Please state your source for Eve being a strictly pvp game. My source.
Your source is mighty shy about being recognized for his work. Why is that?
I keep hearing all these reasons why Eve is PvP-centric...driven, what have you and whatnot. Of course, all those reasons can easily apply to the majority of other MMO games. The only real difference is that Eve has one server, and the rest have multiple servers. But by it's very nature, an MMO is pvp-centric. You CANNOT operate in any of them without butting heads with someone in even the most player friendly PvE type game. It's the nature of the beast, you cannot get away from it.
I understand that Eve has the whole anywhere, anybody, anytime PvP threat going for it, but then again, so does particular servers on WoW and UO, for instance. But just because it isn't game-wide doesn't mean it's any less PvP. Ironically, the people over there who complain about a lack of World PvP resist the opportunity to make adjustments on their side, instead feeling entitled to the developer changing the game to suit themselves, instead of changing themselves to suit the game.
I can't speak for many other MMOs, because short of FFXI and Warhammer Online, I really haven't messed with too many other MMOs. I do know two things though...1) Eve is the ONLY MMO I have played where it is possible to play AFK legitimately (or at least mine, I have no idea how anyone can do anything else AFK and get anything accomplished), and 2) Every MMO I have played has a sect of players who want the E-Z Mode, as in wanting other players handed to them with a minimum of work performed. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |