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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
272
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:27:00 -
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So are we talking here?
A voice in my sick twisted head? A prediction from a Soothsayer? Post coitus pillow talk with the chick from CCP accounts? Overheard conversation? Signed affidavit? Stolen documents? The bottom of the Scotch bottle? Teary confessions? Scrap of paper found on the street? Things other people say? A 10,000 word thesis written in absolute good faith?
What happens if you post something you believe to be true, but is based on crap?
Where's the line guys? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3805
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:33:00 -
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The word of God.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
311
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:36:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The word of God. You might want to get that as a signed affidavit or you might get banned. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8056
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:38:00 -
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Classically, it's raw data, but integrated, interlinked, summarised, interpreted, and otherwise organised and arranged so as to provide more meaning as a whole than the individual pieces put together (but not enough to serve as a basis for action, because then we've strayed into GÇÿknowledgeGÇÖ territory). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
8
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:39:00 -
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Stuff you can prove with links, pictures etc.
Esp. the one obout the post-coitus pillow talk. |

Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
272
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:25:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The word of God. Isn't God's existence just a rumour?
Provide some proof lest ye be banned. EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |

Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
620
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:37:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Chribba wrote:The word of God. Isn't God's existence just a rumour? Provide some proof lest ye be banned.
The Creators and Developers of Eve were born years ago. They delivered Eve unto us. Proof positive that God exists.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |

Venri Zod
Order of the Black Dagger Damu'Khonde
3
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:38:00 -
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It might be just another rule that has infinite interpretations so as to allow the mods a greater flexibility of discretion.  |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1555
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:39:00 -
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When i tell you that your wife is cheating you, that's information. When i tell you how often she did already, that's corresponding data.
I think i got that right. Now go call your wife... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
68
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:41:00 -
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Isn't it information that is pertinent at the time and is contextualized correctly?
What I would like to know is what context your post is based on, cos OP - it don't make alot of sense!!! I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2505

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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:44:00 -
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We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish 
But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:49:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The word of God.
And God put those there to test your faith !
brb |

Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
10
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:49:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Just use common sense
Hm, "common sense" - that's what lead to the believe that Earth is flat for hundreds of years, wasn't it?  |

Venri Zod
Order of the Black Dagger Damu'Khonde
3
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:56:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids!
Isn't it libel when it's written? |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
601
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:57:00 -
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If you have to (seriously) question whether something is appropriate, it probably isn't. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
1627

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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:57:00 -
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Venri Zod wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Isn't it libel when it's written?
Uh oh, I think Guard broke the rules! |
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
273
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:58:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! So, there are no real boundaries, just rules.
With respect - what's a "strand?"
How will you determine if someone has made up "stuff" or they are just reporting what they have been told in some other forum, chat channel etc?
Who is being slandered?
EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2505

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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:02:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Venri Zod wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Isn't it libel when it's written? Uh oh, I think Guard broke the rules!
I'll probably have to do a banhammer hara-kiri or something :/ CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:07:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Venri Zod wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Isn't it libel when it's written? Uh oh, I think Guard broke the rules! I'll probably have to do a banhammer hara-kiri or something :/
Promote/incentive someone to commit suicide is against the rules and deserves the ban hammer, sry, see you soon (Tm)
You just broke the rules again  brb |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2508

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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:17:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! So, there are no real boundaries, just rules. With respect - what's a "strand?" How will you determine if someone has made up "stuff" or they are just reporting what they have been told in some other forum, chat channel etc? Who is being slandered?
We will evaluate on a case by case basis with the information available to us as we do in all other cases of alleged rule violation.
We're not going to force you to fact check and scientifically validate every sentence you craft, but we want it to be clear that malicious rumors with little or no foundation aren't something we care to host and that posters should weigh that into their decision making.
We have actually been dealing with this sort of behavior as personal attacks and/or trolling when applicable, but we felt the rules needed to be a little clearer on this subject. So this is not something completely new.
P.s. I was referring to the stranding of ships and being all metaphorical and stuff :) CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1557
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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:59:00 -
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This really works.
I got a ban for insulting a guy who choose the Pax Ammaria as a gift and then complained about it being worthless.
Although it really was quite deserved to make fun of him, i've stepped over the line a bit.
Now i'm actually much friendlier. It really doesn't make any sense to behave that way, and i've noticed how contagious the bad behavior of others can be.
Also: Ban CCP Guard. He broke the rules ... and it would be funny... xD
Edit: I keep sniping new pages unintentionally ... nice work, sol. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
117
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Posted - 2012.06.19 11:37:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Just use common sense
This is not the forum for common sense and any posts in reference to common sense belong anywhere but here. This is evident in the same old tired arguments and redundant threads being posted over and over again. A lack of common sense seems to be a prerequisite for posting in GD. 
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.06.19 11:40:00 -
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Kimmi Chan wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Just use common sense This is not the forum for common sense and any posts in reference to common sense belong anywhere but here. This is evident in the same old tired arguments and redundant threads being posted over and over again. A lack of common sense seems to be a prerequisite for posting in GD. 
This looks like a rumour to meh.  brb |
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CCP Prism X
C C P C C P Alliance
676

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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:44:00 -
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I just want to point out that CCP Guard also broke the rules of keeping stuff relevant to EVE on this forum as he is discussing Epistemology, not EVE. @CCP_PrismX EVE Database Developer and Expert Ranter |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
260
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:50:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I just want to point out that CCP Guard also broke the rules of keeping stuff relevant to EVE on this forum as he is discussing Epistemology, not EVE.
Criss just thought that was some sexual disease brought from LA, but then I clicked the link  brb |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4083
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:04:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I just want to point out that CCP Guard also broke the rules of keeping stuff relevant to EVE on this forum as he is discussing Epistemology, not EVE.
Tsk. He's really racking up the offences.
Therefore you should put him on on The Rack (two birds with one stone and all that) Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Drachiel
Mercury LLC
10
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:25:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids!
But EVE is about being malicious to others ... |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1996
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Posted - 2012.06.19 13:59:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The word of God.
Don't you mean the drow of Dog? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1529
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:01:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Where's the line guys?
There is no spoon.
Day 0 advice for new players: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=77176 |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1996
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:01:00 -
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@CCP Guard, what about malicious rumors I want to spread about myself? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Dante Chusuk
Sicarius. When Hippos Attack
4
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:07:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote: P.s. I was referring to the stranding of ships and being all metaphorical and stuff :)
Just don't get stranded in an asteroid belt, Chribba might sue or mine you for Veldspar infringement 
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
554
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:07:00 -
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I have a 10-inch donge.
You can't take that down, because it isn't a rumor 
-- What is actual information?
Let me answer that with a question: What is love? Baby don't hurt me Don't hurt me No mo' Eve Online: A Bad Game. |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1519
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:11:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I just want to point out that CCP Guard also broke the rules of keeping stuff relevant to EVE on this forum as he is discussing Epistemology, not EVE.
I believe he also made a insensitive post about suicide
way to lead by example guys 
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
891
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:16:00 -
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Is this how paying customers are treated?
I'll unsub all my accounts if I can't shitpoast on a forum section named General Trolling.
This part of the forums is specifically meant for people to have a place where we can insult each others stupidest ideas, and spice the insults with ad hominems, off-topic tinfoilery and metagame persuasion propaganda.
There are plenty of other, categorized sections where we can post factual posts and have real discussions about the game- General Trolling is not the place for such posts.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:34:00 -
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Morganta wrote:CCP Prism X wrote:I just want to point out that CCP Guard also broke the rules of keeping stuff relevant to EVE on this forum as he is discussing Epistemology, not EVE. I believe he also made a insensitive post about suicide way to lead by example guys 
ANd CCP Soundwave was just trolling/mocking in first page too. BAM !! -Banned !
/bye guys 
brb |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
93
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:37:00 -
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Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Stuff you can prove with links, pictures etc.
Esp. the one obout the post-coitus pillow talk.
I think he would need a girlfriend. the right hand does not count |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:44:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Stuff you can prove with links, pictures etc.
Esp. the one obout the post-coitus pillow talk. I think he would need a girlfriend. the right hand does not count
He used the left hand, so he can safely think and be convinced it's someone else 
Also: plastic leviatans might have same drawbacks for ladies, heh? brb |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1519
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:46:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Stuff you can prove with links, pictures etc.
Esp. the one obout the post-coitus pillow talk. I think he would need a girlfriend. the right hand does not count He used the left hand, so he can safely think and be convinced it's someone else  Also: plastic leviatans might have same drawbacks for ladies, heh?
reported for rumor mongering and slander
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
264
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:48:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Stuff you can prove with links, pictures etc.
Esp. the one obout the post-coitus pillow talk. I think he would need a girlfriend. the right hand does not count He used the left hand, so he can safely think and be convinced it's someone else  Also: plastic leviatans might have same drawbacks for ladies, heh? reported for rumor mongering and slander
Asking a question, not spreading rumours on ladies personal affairs I have absolutely no idea about, look at me, I'm a saint !! brb |

Hung TuLo
Universal Fleet Operations
58
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:57:00 -
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CCP Prism X wrote:I just want to point out that CCP Guard also broke the rules of keeping stuff relevant to EVE on this forum as he is discussing Epistemology, not EVE.
When I first saw this I thought he meant Epstien -iology. And realized thats not possible. thats from Welcome back Kotter. To us old folks we know what that is. :) "In space all warriors are cold warriors" ----á General Chang-á Star Trek VI |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1998
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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:00:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Stuff you can prove with links, pictures etc.
Esp. the one obout the post-coitus pillow talk. I think he would need a girlfriend. the right hand does not count
Pamela Handerson's a wonderful woman, How Dare you. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
94
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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:10:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:Stuff you can prove with links, pictures etc.
Esp. the one obout the post-coitus pillow talk. I think he would need a girlfriend. the right hand does not count He used the left hand, so he can safely think and be convinced it's someone else  Also: plastic leviatans might have same drawbacks for ladies, heh? Slap that hand nd call it Suzy |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2517

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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:14:00 -
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Roime wrote:Is this how paying customers are treated?
I'll unsub all my accounts if I can't shitpoast on a forum section named General Trolling.
This part of the forums is specifically meant for people to have a place where we can insult each others stupidest ideas, and spice the insults with ad hominems, off-topic tinfoilery and metagame persuasion propaganda.
There are plenty of other, categorized sections where we can post factual posts and have real discussions about the game- General Trolling is not the place for such posts.
Dang. Someone obviously forgot to fill me in on the purpose of this forum section!  CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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THE L0CK
Denying You Access
556
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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:15:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids!
Some of us have determined that common sense is not so common as has been shown in the some 30 pages of the define rookie thread. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2517

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Posted - 2012.06.19 15:17:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Some of us have determined that common sense is not so common as has been shown in the some 30 pages of the define rookie thread.
That's where the Community Team's loving, gentle guidance comes in <3 CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2000
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:07:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Some of us have determined that common sense is not so common as has been shown in the some 30 pages of the define rookie thread.
That thread's problem is analogous to an unwillingness to define "post" or "forum." Not an issue with figuring out what "trolling" means. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
465
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:26:00 -
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Aren't the people calling for CCP Guard to be Ban-hammered being mean to a dev? Which is also against the rules?
 FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
558
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:31:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:THE L0CK wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Some of us have determined that common sense is not so common as has been shown in the some 30 pages of the define rookie thread. That thread's problem is analogous to an unwillingness to define "post" or "forum." Not an issue with figuring out what "trolling" means.
Define Trolling. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

baltec1
1488
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:32:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Chribba wrote:The word of God. Isn't God's existence just a rumour? Provide some proof lest ye be banned.
The existance of bacon |

Luis Graca
57
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:46:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Venri Zod wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Isn't it libel when it's written? Uh oh, I think Guard broke the rules!
Cool story bro |

MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
423
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:48:00 -
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Morganta wrote:CCP Prism X wrote:I just want to point out that CCP Guard also broke the rules of keeping stuff relevant to EVE on this forum as he is discussing Epistemology, not EVE. I believe he also made a insensitive post about suicide way to lead by example guys 
it was pure conjecture... actually CCP guard was trying to conform to the social norms of Japenese cleints of eve online where its a social norm for one who has lost honour or direction to "take" ones life in an honourable fashion... it would be bigotry if he did not suggest it as a form of regaining his lost honour...
for more information google it or look up what happens around mr fugi... PLEX FOR PIZZA! [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7085&find=unread[/url] There are not stupid Questions... just stupid people... |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2000
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:13:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:RubyPorto wrote:THE L0CK wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Some of us have determined that common sense is not so common as has been shown in the some 30 pages of the define rookie thread. That thread's problem is analogous to an unwillingness to define "post" or "forum." Not an issue with figuring out what "trolling" means. Define Trolling.
Just like with "messing with" in the other thread. "Trolling" works well as a vaguely defined term. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1562
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:16:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids!
My favourite pizza is the quaddro formagio, with spinach and an egg in the middle. It's the best pizza i've ever had and if you wanna try it out, you have to remember one *REALLY* important part ! ->
It *needs* to be juicy ! When it's dry, it's ruined !
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
559
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:24:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:THE L0CK wrote:RubyPorto wrote:THE L0CK wrote:CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Some of us have determined that common sense is not so common as has been shown in the some 30 pages of the define rookie thread. That thread's problem is analogous to an unwillingness to define "post" or "forum." Not an issue with figuring out what "trolling" means. Define Trolling. Just like with "messing with" in the other thread. "Trolling" works well as a vaguely defined term.
Exactly. CCP may have a currently riding definition of trolling on the rules page but how often are we accused of being a troll simply for disagreeing with somebody. Where is line drawn when defining troll. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2001
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:44:00 -
[55] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote: Exactly. CCP may have a currently riding definition of trolling on the rules page but how often are we accused of being a troll simply for disagreeing with somebody. Where is line drawn when defining troll.
I don't care. The penalty for trolling is a locked thread.
You're trying to use a bad analogy to shoehorn this into a different argument.
The analogy that's sensible: Forums(location): Do not "troll(action)" "threads(class)". Newbie systems(location): Do not "mess with(action)" "newbies(class)"
Trolling is to Mess with as Threads is to Nebies.
Trolling is Vaguely defined, Mess with is vaguely defined. These are both fine.
Threads is precisely defined and obvious to everyone, Newbies is not. That is the problem area.
You're trying to equate an action with a class. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
559
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:34:00 -
[56] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:THE L0CK wrote: Exactly. CCP may have a currently riding definition of trolling on the rules page but how often are we accused of being a troll simply for disagreeing with somebody. Where is line drawn when defining troll.
I don't care. The penalty for trolling is a locked thread. You're trying to use a bad analogy to shoehorn this into a different argument. The analogy that's sensible: Forums(location): Do not "troll(action)" "threads(class)". Newbie systems(location): Do not "mess with(action)" "newbies(class)" Trolling is to Mess with as Threads is to Nebies. Trolling is Vaguely defined, Mess with is vaguely defined. These are both fine. Threads is precisely defined and obvious to everyone, Newbies is not. That is the problem area. You're trying to equate an action with a class.
To use a bad analogy I would say something like Trolling is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you gonna get. In fact the line that you quoted doesn't even have a comparison so I'm not even sure why you are calling it a bad analogy. All I'm saying is that over the years the term troll has gotten so grey even senior citizens give it a discount. And why are we defining what a thread is? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |

Emiko P'eng
18
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:42:00 -
[57] - Quote
Personally I think CCP is just getting ahead of the proposed UK law on 'Internet Trolls'
Their servers are in UK after all!
BBC Technology - Q&A: Who are internet trolls - and how is the law changing?
I expect, as usual, with our Governments 'Wonderful' understanding of high technology and the internet. 
The changes in the law will be a 'dogs dinner' that will hand far to much power to companies with rich lawyers rather than help individuals.
Overall it will more likely allow companies to chase down people who might write statements like 'The IPad is rubbish as it doesn't work under water'. Rather than allowing individuals to able to stop some evil troll that has really muddied their good name with accusations of say 'Kiddie Fiddling'! 
Oh! And the defence that this forum is a 'Game' Forum and its all a 'Game' wont count!
As 'Online Video Games' will be covered.
'Online Video Games' So retro, it gives you so much confidence in our legislators  |

Atrocitus Parallax
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:50:00 -
[58] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids!
So what your saying is I can make stuff up as long as it's not malicious....
Well....
I heard a rumor that CCP Guard is not only a great listener, but a nice person, with a firm grip on common sense responses to forum issues that are being over thought and over dramatized. |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:57:00 -
[59] - Quote
Graic Gabtar wrote:So are we talking here?
Feelings, we're talking feelings. As in "don't hurt".
I think it's hilarious. 
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Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.06.19 20:19:00 -
[60] - Quote
Graic Gabtar wrote: ...
What happens if you post something you believe to be true, but is based on crap?
...
You graduate to elite GD forum poster.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2012.06.19 20:30:00 -
[61] - Quote
Savage Angel wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote: ...
What happens if you post something you believe to be true, but is based on crap?
...
You graduate to elite GD forum poster.
Primer |

Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
89
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Posted - 2012.06.19 20:36:00 -
[62] - Quote
CCP- Why were the new rules in regards to the forum that came out last week, not actually announced on the forums? |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
105
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:15:00 -
[63] - Quote
Marconus Orion wrote:CCP- Why were the new rules in regards to the forum that came out last week, not actually announced on the forums?
SHHHHH! its a secret!! Actually in the immortal words of some guy in a galaxy far far far away.....ITS A TRAP
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Kimmi Chan
Illuminatus Reforged The Revenant Order
123
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:28:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:CCP- Why were the new rules in regards to the forum that came out last week, not actually announced on the forums? SHHHHH! its a secret!! Actually in the immortal words of some guy in a galaxy far far far away..... ITS A TRAP
That's not a moon. It's a space station...
-á"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus |

Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
377
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Posted - 2012.06.19 23:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
So here we have evidence of a new strain of whining, forum warrior whining. First we need a legally tight definition of a new player and now we need a 500 word essay on what is information and what isn't. Maybe you forum posters need some HTFU. Post about the game, how about that? It's a game forum. |

Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
817
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Posted - 2012.06.20 00:49:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:We're not going to draw you a map of every spot where you can possibly strand. But you're welcome to brave the waters if you wish  But it's not complicated anyway. Just use common sense and don't intentionally or maliciously make up stuff about others and you'll be fine. There is life after slander, kids! Ahem... let me deconstruct this if I can and provide a translation as I see it to the greater EvE community:
CCP Guard Translated wrote:We are sick and tired of making rules, because tbqh we don't really think about the rules we make and then when you guys invariably find a way around them we look bad when we strike you down CONCORD style. Thus, we've re-written the rules so that anything you do is potentially bannable. In this way, we can arbitrarily guide the game and your behavior where we would like it to go, and if there's a problem, we can point to the door with one hand while pointing at these awesome new rules with the other!
...I think that captures the essence. 
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Itherael Fate
11
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:33:00 -
[67] - Quote
Chribba wrote:The word of God.
The word of Chribba.
FTFY Rules of The Game 1. Everyone in the world is playing The Game. A person cannot not play The Game; it does not require consent to play and one can never stop playing. 2. Whenever one thinks about The Game, one loses. 3. Losses must be announced to at least one person. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1518
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Posted - 2012.06.20 03:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
CCP Guard Translated wrote:We are sick and tired of making rules, because tbqh we don't really think about the rules we make and then when you guys invariably find a way around them we look bad when we strike you down CONCORD style. Thus, we've re-written the rules so that anything you do is potentially bannable. In this way, we can arbitrarily guide the game and your behavior where we would like it to go, and if there's a problem, we can point to the door with one hand while pointing at these awesome new rules with the other!
Yay, what I did to Mitnal would've gotten me banned now. Thankfully due to the international rules of ex post facto I can't be prosecuted 
Though I'm still not allowed to have forum sig  |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2006
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Posted - 2012.06.20 07:31:00 -
[69] - Quote
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:CCP Guard Translated wrote:We are sick and tired of making rules, because tbqh we don't really think about the rules we make and then when you guys invariably find a way around them we look bad when we strike you down CONCORD style. Thus, we've re-written the rules so that anything you do is potentially bannable. In this way, we can arbitrarily guide the game and your behavior where we would like it to go, and if there's a problem, we can point to the door with one hand while pointing at these awesome new rules with the other!
Yay, what I did to Mitnal would've gotten me banned now. Thankfully due to the international rules of ex post facto I can't be prosecuted  Though I'm still not allowed to have forum sig 
CCP's not bound by any laws regarding Ex Post Facto punishments, because it's a private corporation, running a private board, and thus can't really be bound to prohibitions that target countries.
... Or Has CCP gone ahead and just bought Iceland yet? Those crazy Vikings. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |

Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
819
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Posted - 2012.06.20 19:06:00 -
[70] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote: CCP's not bound by any laws regarding Ex Post Facto punishments, because it's a private corporation, running a private board, and thus can't really be bound to prohibitions that target countries.
... Or Has CCP gone ahead and just bought Iceland yet? Those crazy Vikings.
This ^
Eve gets a little too real for some people...
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
79
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Posted - 2012.06.20 20:21:00 -
[71] - Quote
Chribba wrote:The word of God.
I need stone tablets to prove it. |

Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
310
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Posted - 2012.06.20 21:39:00 -
[72] - Quote
Venri Zod wrote:It might be just another rule that has infinite interpretations so as to allow the mods a greater flexibility of discretion.  C'mon man, we don't need no stinkin' common sense in here. We came here for discussion, not some rational Spock answer!
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