Only thing that ruins the game is meta gaming. It's like punching someone in the face while playing backgammon.

The carebears need the griefers and PvPers.

Without griefers and PvPer there would be no market for the stuff produced by the carebears.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

Get out.

Splitting will only mail (sic) it a fail box, not a sand box.

The PVE servers would die out, the carebears would slink back to the PVP servers, and they would see that it was good.

So yes, it'd be better.

Granted its a huge step and not needed currently - but its probably trending in that direction due to the apparent differences in game design aspirations between geographically-disparate groups.

As you say, the griefers and PvPers need the carebears. Without which, what would griefers and PvPers do ?

Besides North Americans requiring profanity filters so they won't be offended, what else is different between these geographical groups?

Thats an interesting point of view - so you think it'd be better to split between a pvp and pve server than it would be to have a split between geographically-diverse servers that both continue as effectively pvp servers?

Personally I think any kind of PVE server thing would be the death of Eve everywhere. Whereas I think you could probably get away with geographical sharding with identical rulesets if you needed to go that way.

Granted its a huge step and not needed currently - but its probably trending in that direction due to the apparent differences in game design aspirations between geographically-disparate groups.

Personally I can't help but be a little intrigued as to what the character of a Euro/russian server for Eve online would be.
I have to admit I really like the atmosphere on euro world of tanks :)
(and remember usually with server splits individuals can still choose which region's they want to play on, many North American's play on the euro servers in tanks because thats where their clan mates are).

Still its bluesky thinking in a funny thread, whats wrong with pondering some bizzare options on a tuesday morning eh.

Thing is it could happen at any time. Another game company could put out an eve-like game that is PvE based. If that were to happen, would a good portion of CCP's subs move over? Would eve survive? In order to prevent such an occurrence, would the best company to run such a game be CCP?

Its interesting to contemplate what a PvE version of eve would be like. First what is meant by a "PvE game"? The definition I will use is "No non-consensual space combat, even when you are flying in space". There would still be the market, and players could compete against each other in activities like exploration.

The eve economy runs on stuff being blown up. But with no non-consensual space combat players will be killing each other far less. We need to keep the economy working. What would have to happen is the PvE segment of the game would have to be ramped up. Way up. POSes in high sec getting attacked by NPCs. NPC supers in Null hot dropping your mining op, or trying to take away your Sov.

Other changes would be needed. If done, would it be best for it to actually be a different shard? Or just a new area in the current eve universe?

It's called Sisi.

No-one goes there because, predictably, it's entirely pointless.

I think euro's tend to prefer smaller individualistic organizations with their own character and quirks while north americans prefer giant uber alliances with everyone being a cog in the great machine. As we can see with the current wardec mechanic discussions there is a tension between the two preferences with many believing one must give way to the other with a oneway system in the sandbox.

(obviously euro/russia being a whole mess of different language/cultural groups helps reinforce this diverse tapestry feel - while the mono culture of north america tends to reinforce the large organisation bias.)

Thing is it could happen at any time. Another game company could put out an eve-like game that is PvE based. If that were to happen, would a good portion of CCP's subs move over? Would eve survive? In order to prevent such an occurrence, would the best company to run such a game be CCP?

Its interesting to contemplate what a PvE version of eve would be like. First what is meant by a "PvE game"? The definition I will use is "No non-consensual space combat, even when you are flying in space". There would still be the market, and players could compete against each other in activities like exploration.

The eve economy runs on stuff being blown up. But with no non-consensual space combat players will be killing each other far less. We need to keep the economy working. What would have to happen is the PvE segment of the game would have to be ramped up. Way up. POSes in high sec getting attacked by NPCs. NPC supers in Null hot dropping your mining op, or trying to take away your Sov.

Other changes would be needed. If done, would it be best for it to actually be a different shard? Or just a new area in the current eve universe?

Only split that would ever be worth considering would be North American / Euro(Russian) with both shards continuing with the same rules and gameplay at inception.

Though I will agree there is merit to split the playerbase into two shards:

Shard 1: Mature players who are capable of respectfully extending the sandbox to others and understand the symbiosis of interests but can expect and accept some aspects of gameplay outside of their control.

Shard 2: Selfish Asshats with unhealthy Meta interests where "winning at all costs" is the only consideration.

Though I'm unsure wether it has a comercial future as realistically I would see shard 2 as a minority populace, but if it's sustainable?

As you say, the griefers and PvPers need the carebears. Without which, what would griefers and PvPers do ?

Look what happened to Ultima Online, or the wilderness in Runespace, you're bad and so is your idea.

Are you intentionally trying to come up with the most ridiculous nonsense you could think of? After already going full tilt on your tinfoil crusade against goons/ccp, you actually managed to make a post that shows even more of a complete ignorance towards everything related to this game.

Congrats are in order, i guess.