splitting is not the answer .. The answer is having game mechanics not twisted towards one side.. Give both sides enough room to maneuver and that becomes truly sandbox .. The answer to Hulkageddon should not only be "tank and run away" .. The game mechanics should also give people a chance to hunt the hunters ... This one sided operation of giving gankers the ability to attack anyone anywhere they want under the protection of concord is absolutely Ridicules. You split eve, eve dies ...

you can hunt the hunters with kill rights - you do have a whole month.

..........I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.

.........Can't we all just hug and be happy (and then start the backstabbing and looting as is customary in New Eden)?

Is it time to split the game in two?

Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff

and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

That's because it's a bunch of ******* trolling on both sides.

CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.



Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?

Or "TIme to get out"

And half of each side is from the same group(s) trying to stir up trouble in the barrio just to see what that dog-gammed chopper can do.

The problem is this the forums and people tend to create controversy here or at least try too.

So there are very few threads that are actually truthful.
Most of them are just people trying to stir things up.

It would not surprise me for one minute if one thread that says OMG I got ganked I quit and another that states carebears go away are actually made by the same person.

There is a reason why most of the player base doesn't bother to read the forums.
They just can't be bothered to sift through all the garbage.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

splitting is not the answer .. The answer is having game mechanics not twisted towards one side.. Give both sides enough room to maneuver and that becomes truly sandbox .. The answer to Hulkageddon should not only be "tank and run away" .. The game mechanics should also give people a chance to hunt the hunters ... This one sided operation of giving gankers the ability to attack anyone anywhere they want under the protection of concord is absolutely Ridicules. You split eve, eve dies ...

If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits?

An additional PVE server would be a quite nice idea as long as there's no possibility to transfer anything between both servers.

You can only buy PVE-Plex for PVE server isk etc..

That way, whiny PVE players would finally realize how idiotic their demands are.

I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.

Dumbest thing ever said on the forums. Even more so then the OP, and that's saying something.

And CCP will fight tooth and nail to hold onto this niche, even if it means sacrificing the company and the game.

But seriously, i think CCP has tunnel vision, it doesnt have to be PvE or PvP, it can be both, there just has to be some balance.... DAMNIT, CCP SOOUNDWAVE IS GUNNA COME AND BAN ME FOR SAYING THAT WORD.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

Honestly, i never want to see eve split. I need you people killing each other so I can profit by making more t2 modules.

Also, imagine how annoying exploration wound be with everyone trying to claim a few sites.


That said, I wouldn't mind a week or month long throw back. Let some of the newer players like myself experience a universe where Titan's have area effect dds, where bombers mounted cruise missiles, mining could be done around a gate and had a far different outcome, warp to 0, did not exist, and concord is still in it's infancy.

Make it a test server or the like. Each month, a new patch... Till it hits inferno, them roll back to the start. Could just be interesting to see what i missed.

because i know alot of you consider it lame slow and something that should be avoided as the plague , besides i don't see allthose cap pilots mining their own ice , do you ? it would be hillarious tho

CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.



Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?

EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.