Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff

It's called Sisi.

No-one goes there because, predictably, it's entirely pointless.

get out

Only split that would ever be worth considering would be North American / Euro(Russian) with both shards continuing with the same rules and gameplay at inception.

Only split that would ever be worth considering would be North American / Euro(Russian) with both shards continuing with the same rules and gameplay at inception.

get out

Only thing that ruins the game is meta gaming. It's like punching someone in the face while playing backgammon.

Though I will agree there is merit to split the playerbase into two shards:

Shard 1: Mature players who are capable of respectfully extending the sandbox to others and understand the symbiosis of interests but can expect and accept some aspects of gameplay outside of their control.

Shard 2: Selfish Asshats with unhealthy Meta interests where "winning at all costs" is the only consideration.

Highsec and nullsec.

Dumbest thing ever said on the forums. Even more so then the OP, and that's saying something.

Thats an interesting point of view - so you think it'd be better to split between a pvp and pve server than it would be to have a split between geographically-diverse servers that both continue as effectively pvp servers?

Only thing that ruins the game is meta gaming. It's like punching someone in the face while playing backgammon.

The carebears need the griefers and PvPers.

Without griefers and PvPer there would be no market for the stuff produced by the carebears.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

Get out.

Splitting will only mail (sic) it a fail box, not a sand box.

The PVE servers would die out, the carebears would slink back to the PVP servers, and they would see that it was good.

So yes, it'd be better.

Granted its a huge step and not needed currently - but its probably trending in that direction due to the apparent differences in game design aspirations between geographically-disparate groups.

As you say, the griefers and PvPers need the carebears. Without which, what would griefers and PvPers do ?

Besides North Americans requiring profanity filters so they won't be offended, what else is different between these geographical groups?

Thats an interesting point of view - so you think it'd be better to split between a pvp and pve server than it would be to have a split between geographically-diverse servers that both continue as effectively pvp servers?

Personally I think any kind of PVE server thing would be the death of Eve everywhere. Whereas I think you could probably get away with geographical sharding with identical rulesets if you needed to go that way.

Granted its a huge step and not needed currently - but its probably trending in that direction due to the apparent differences in game design aspirations between geographically-disparate groups.

Personally I can't help but be a little intrigued as to what the character of a Euro/russian server for Eve online would be.
I have to admit I really like the atmosphere on euro world of tanks :)
(and remember usually with server splits individuals can still choose which region's they want to play on, many North American's play on the euro servers in tanks because thats where their clan mates are).

Still its bluesky thinking in a funny thread, whats wrong with pondering some bizzare options on a tuesday morning eh.

Thing is it could happen at any time. Another game company could put out an eve-like game that is PvE based. If that were to happen, would a good portion of CCP's subs move over? Would eve survive? In order to prevent such an occurrence, would the best company to run such a game be CCP?

Its interesting to contemplate what a PvE version of eve would be like. First what is meant by a "PvE game"? The definition I will use is "No non-consensual space combat, even when you are flying in space". There would still be the market, and players could compete against each other in activities like exploration.

The eve economy runs on stuff being blown up. But with no non-consensual space combat players will be killing each other far less. We need to keep the economy working. What would have to happen is the PvE segment of the game would have to be ramped up. Way up. POSes in high sec getting attacked by NPCs. NPC supers in Null hot dropping your mining op, or trying to take away your Sov.

Other changes would be needed. If done, would it be best for it to actually be a different shard? Or just a new area in the current eve universe?

It's called Sisi.

No-one goes there because, predictably, it's entirely pointless.

I think euro's tend to prefer smaller individualistic organizations with their own character and quirks while north americans prefer giant uber alliances with everyone being a cog in the great machine. As we can see with the current wardec mechanic discussions there is a tension between the two preferences with many believing one must give way to the other with a oneway system in the sandbox.

(obviously euro/russia being a whole mess of different language/cultural groups helps reinforce this diverse tapestry feel - while the mono culture of north america tends to reinforce the large organisation bias.)

Thing is it could happen at any time. Another game company could put out an eve-like game that is PvE based. If that were to happen, would a good portion of CCP's subs move over? Would eve survive? In order to prevent such an occurrence, would the best company to run such a game be CCP?

Its interesting to contemplate what a PvE version of eve would be like. First what is meant by a "PvE game"? The definition I will use is "No non-consensual space combat, even when you are flying in space". There would still be the market, and players could compete against each other in activities like exploration.

The eve economy runs on stuff being blown up. But with no non-consensual space combat players will be killing each other far less. We need to keep the economy working. What would have to happen is the PvE segment of the game would have to be ramped up. Way up. POSes in high sec getting attacked by NPCs. NPC supers in Null hot dropping your mining op, or trying to take away your Sov.

Other changes would be needed. If done, would it be best for it to actually be a different shard? Or just a new area in the current eve universe?

Only split that would ever be worth considering would be North American / Euro(Russian) with both shards continuing with the same rules and gameplay at inception.

Though I will agree there is merit to split the playerbase into two shards:

Shard 1: Mature players who are capable of respectfully extending the sandbox to others and understand the symbiosis of interests but can expect and accept some aspects of gameplay outside of their control.

Shard 2: Selfish Asshats with unhealthy Meta interests where "winning at all costs" is the only consideration.

Though I'm unsure wether it has a comercial future as realistically I would see shard 2 as a minority populace, but if it's sustainable?

As you say, the griefers and PvPers need the carebears. Without which, what would griefers and PvPers do ?

Look what happened to Ultima Online, or the wilderness in Runespace, you're bad and so is your idea.

Are you intentionally trying to come up with the most ridiculous nonsense you could think of? After already going full tilt on your tinfoil crusade against goons/ccp, you actually managed to make a post that shows even more of a complete ignorance towards everything related to this game.

Congrats are in order, i guess.

What happened to Ultima wasn't sharing, it was Tremmel: a place where people were free to go out into the wilds with no fear of PvP, but their products were in the same market as those people who went out into the non-tremmel wilds to collect the same goods with the risk of PvP.

Cant see the point in having an EU /US split that seems silly even to me. The multi national/cultural aspect of the game is one of the many things that makes this game shine.

If only there was a reliable way to sort the asshats out of the rest of the population

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

I agree that splitting the game would destroy it.

What needs to be done is for CCP to figure out why nullsec is not where people are playing anymore and FIX IT.

I agree that splitting the game would destroy it.

What needs to be done is for CCP to figure out why nullsec is not where people are playing anymore and FIX IT.

I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums

other just onebig arcade game where everybody flies a ibis since nobody ever produces anything

Thats an interesting point of view - so you think it'd be better to split between a pvp and pve server than it would be to have a split between geographically-diverse servers that both continue as effectively pvp servers?

Why do you believe PvPers are unable to produce anything? Is it because the "PVP" character class has a -100% industry modifier even at level 80?

I think both ideas are dumb, if I consider one more dumb then the other that doesn't mean any of the two should be implimented, not even in a 'stuck between a rock and a hard place' moment. They both should be dumped in the bin at around the same time.

Anyone playing UO around the time of trammel/felucia disaster knows how crappy that turned out.

Anyone playing eve knows that the fact that there is one server where everyone works, plays and dies makes this world live more then others worlds that have shards with a few thousands players on. Some of my best friends in eve are americans. Splitting up that stuff is just wel, stupid in every way. (even more so then a trammel/felucia disaster but at least those two where linked!)

But then I've probably got a bit of sentimentality for how eve used to be with 7000 players on a sat night - back when wars were won with 10 apocalypses.

Why would anyone want to fight NPCs instead of real people? Is it because you can't lose to EVE AI?

Because fighting real people tends to trigger the release of adrenaline, which for many is a very unpleasant experience (and for others a very pleasant experience. Its genetic).

Because fighting real people tends to trigger the release of adrenaline, which for many is a very unpleasant experience (and for others a very pleasant experience. Its genetic).

Then I'd suggest the people who find adrenaline unpleasant should take a look at such games as X3 instead.

So you are saying there SHOULD be a PvE version of Eve?

There IS a PvE Server of EvE.

X3 is single player. Many want to play with others, just not in ways that trigger Adrenaline.

Are you saying there SHOULD be a PvE version of Eve for such players?

[cynicism]

Though I will agree there is merit to split the playerbase into two shards:

Shard 1: Mature players who are capable of respectfully extending the sandbox to others and understand the symbiosis of interests but can expect and accept some aspects of gameplay outside of their control.

Shard 2: Selfish Asshats with unhealthy Meta interests where "winning at all costs" is the only consideration.
[/cynicism]

Thats an interesting point of view - so you think it'd be better to split between a pvp and pve server than it would be to have a split between geographically-diverse servers that both continue as effectively pvp servers? .

Because fighting real people tends to trigger the release of adrenaline, which for many is a very unpleasant experience (and for others a very pleasant experience. Its genetic).

There is no "v" in the Sisi server, as everything is available for 100 isk.

We don't need to split EVE.

Players who prefer a 100% safe PvE-based Experience can choose to move on to OTHER MMO's that cater more to that style of gameplay.

EVE is currently the only meaningful PvP-centric Sandbox-based One-World MMO on the market.

To expect players who came to EVE for what it was to give in to players who prefer EVE be what every other MMO in the marketplace is, is asking too much.

EVE is what it is. If you don't like it, by all means, move on.

But if you think you can take our EVE from us and make in "Typical PvE-based, Sharded, Linear, No-PvP MMO" like so many others, you will not do so without a fight.

Just out of curiosity, are there any fantasy-themed, persistent open world games like EVE? To me, MMO by default means a game where players interact with each others without artificial restrictions. This adds a massive amount of realism, and does not rule out peaceful interaction- in fact, it gives players the power of making moral choices.

Just out of curiosity, are there any fantasy-themed, persistent open world games like EVE? To me, MMO by default means a game where players interact with each others without artificial restrictions. This adds a massive amount of realism, and does not rule out peaceful interaction- in fact, it gives players the power of making moral choices.

If there isn't, maybe CCP should make one? I doubt that I would have time for another game, but I do like dragons, wizards and half-naked elf girls and would be tempted to try at least :)

Dumbest thing ever said on the forums. Even more so then the OP, and that's saying something.

Inbefore the shitstorm.

Look what happened to Ultima Online, or the wilderness in Runespace, you're bad and so is your idea.

get out

UO continued to acquire new customers and was able to hold on to them after cloning the worlds and making one 'safe'.

Only split that would ever be worth considering would be North American / Euro(Russian) with both shards continuing with the same rules and gameplay at inception.

Id just find a way to stab spaceships in EVE Lite. Yeah I cant warp scram your peaceful freighter that doesn't want to fight and all it wants is to transport deadly, deadly weapons for you know :peace:, but I sure as hell can bump you with Machs until it takes 1 hour to warp. Than meet you at the next gate and so on. Actually, why don't I do that now?

Btw, in EVE Lite who is buying all your manufactured space pixels?

Not many people after they have their blinged out mach.

Maybe everyone will have titan parties.

What is it time for is for some to realize that they can't force others to play the game in a specific manner.
PvE is just as valid as PvP. Most players probably do PvE/PvP at different amounts at diferent times in their career.

...And if you hadn't figured it out by now it is pretty damn hard to not PvP in EVE. At some point you are going to be in competition with someone else.

Who wants EvEFarmville?

Bleh.

Why do you believe PvPers are unable to produce anything? Is it because the "PVP" character class has a -100% industry modifier even at level 80?

because i know alot of you consider it lame slow and something that should be avoided as the plague , besides i don't see allthose cap pilots mining their own ice , do you ? it would be hillarious tho

splitting is not the answer .. The answer is having game mechanics not twisted towards one side.. Give both sides enough room to maneuver and that becomes truly sandbox .. The answer to Hulkageddon should not only be "tank and run away" .. The game mechanics should also give people a chance to hunt the hunters ... This one sided operation of giving gankers the ability to attack anyone anywhere they want under the protection of concord is absolutely Ridicules. You split eve, eve dies ...

you can hunt the hunters with kill rights - you do have a whole month.

..........I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.

.........Can't we all just hug and be happy (and then start the backstabbing and looting as is customary in New Eden)?

Is it time to split the game in two?

Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff

and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

That's because it's a bunch of ******* trolling on both sides.

CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.



Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?

Or "TIme to get out"

And half of each side is from the same group(s) trying to stir up trouble in the barrio just to see what that dog-gammed chopper can do.

The problem is this the forums and people tend to create controversy here or at least try too.

So there are very few threads that are actually truthful.
Most of them are just people trying to stir things up.

It would not surprise me for one minute if one thread that says OMG I got ganked I quit and another that states carebears go away are actually made by the same person.

There is a reason why most of the player base doesn't bother to read the forums.
They just can't be bothered to sift through all the garbage.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

splitting is not the answer .. The answer is having game mechanics not twisted towards one side.. Give both sides enough room to maneuver and that becomes truly sandbox .. The answer to Hulkageddon should not only be "tank and run away" .. The game mechanics should also give people a chance to hunt the hunters ... This one sided operation of giving gankers the ability to attack anyone anywhere they want under the protection of concord is absolutely Ridicules. You split eve, eve dies ...

If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits?

An additional PVE server would be a quite nice idea as long as there's no possibility to transfer anything between both servers.

You can only buy PVE-Plex for PVE server isk etc..

That way, whiny PVE players would finally realize how idiotic their demands are.

I don't see why we should be giving up our niche, we worked hard on making it ours.

Dumbest thing ever said on the forums. Even more so then the OP, and that's saying something.

And CCP will fight tooth and nail to hold onto this niche, even if it means sacrificing the company and the game.

But seriously, i think CCP has tunnel vision, it doesnt have to be PvE or PvP, it can be both, there just has to be some balance.... DAMNIT, CCP SOOUNDWAVE IS GUNNA COME AND BAN ME FOR SAYING THAT WORD.

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

Honestly, i never want to see eve split. I need you people killing each other so I can profit by making more t2 modules.

Also, imagine how annoying exploration wound be with everyone trying to claim a few sites.


That said, I wouldn't mind a week or month long throw back. Let some of the newer players like myself experience a universe where Titan's have area effect dds, where bombers mounted cruise missiles, mining could be done around a gate and had a far different outcome, warp to 0, did not exist, and concord is still in it's infancy.

Make it a test server or the like. Each month, a new patch... Till it hits inferno, them roll back to the start. Could just be interesting to see what i missed.

because i know alot of you consider it lame slow and something that should be avoided as the plague , besides i don't see allthose cap pilots mining their own ice , do you ? it would be hillarious tho

CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.



Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?

EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

Uhh... shoot each other and have a ball of a time?

Unless you're dumb and make sure you get on the killmail, which a lot of them do by having the drones out and set to aggressive mode.

Oh well sucks to be them

You did notice that what I did was point out that if you have drones out and set to aggressive, you do not have a whole month in which to kill said perp, yes? I made absolutely no comment as to how easy or hard it was to actually kill someone when you had killrights, I just pointed out that by doing what most pubbies do (sit there with drones out and aggressive) they forfeit the killrights.

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?

Also keep in mind that since the characters being used for ganking are most likely dedicated for that purpose, putting bounties on them probably won't be much of a deterrence either.

And CCP will fight tooth and nail to hold onto this niche, even if it means sacrificing the company and the game.

CCP Prism X, that's not the issue. The issue is not losing your niche, its losing you subscribers. If some other game company, looking at the controversy over non-consensual PvP, decides there is a market for an eve-like game with consensual PvP only and makes it, what happens to CCP profits? (It has not happened for 9 years, so maybe you are OK....maybe).To keep that from happening, perhaps the company that has such a game should be CCP. Or the aspects of such a game should be somehow incorporated into the existing game so PvP combat adverse players ( that is adrenaline adverse players) will not look elsewhere. Take that perceived market away from any competition.

Based on the current forum rage, I would say no, we cannot. Oddly in our alliance there is no issue. The traders, industrialists, miners, mission runners and PvPers all live and are happy with each other. Things do not seem that way for the game as a whole. The the current "culture clash" being seen on the forums, and to some extent in game, is getting over the top. The questions you need to consider: Is it good for the game? Is it good for CCP profits?

A few statements from CCP would actually help. Like, for example: Do you consider Eve to be "A strictly PvP game", or " A Sci Fi simulation game that includes PvP elements", or... well.... what? Is it CCP's intention that a player who has no desire to be involved with PvP combat have an enjoyable play experience on Eve?

It triggers fight-or-flight response, which releases over 30 different hormones to help humans cope with fast and stressful situations. The body state caused by these hormones is too "low-level tech" to be felt subjectively good or bad- it feels rough to all animals experiencing it, but most importantly it is a state that focuses your attention to external factors, leaving no time to ponder your own emotions. Only genetic differences are between the sexes, typically males tend to fight, and females flee.

The subjective reaction "feels good or bad", is a result of conditioning through exposure to stressful events, and the results of those events. Your body starts to associate post-event emotions with the events and the hormonal response. This is normal in all our behaviour, we tend to avoid situations that previously lead to negative results, and seek those that resulted in success.

tl;dr: Go and win someone, and suddenly combat feels damn good all the time

Apparently not, or at least not enough, based on the current state of the game.

Only split that would ever be worth considering would be North American / Euro(Russian) with both shards continuing with the same rules and gameplay at inception.

Which one would have the online cyber brothels full of sweating neckbeards beating off over sexeh avatars?

Just by typing the title I can feel the angry hordes forming to storm the battlements.....

Eve appears to be filled with players who passionately disagree about what Eve actually is or should be. The often used description of "Sand box" game Is used to reinforce whatever point the person is trying to make in each forum post often at the expense of the other. On and on process cycles.


I am tired of the endless pantomime cycle of "Hi sec is safe" ..." oh no it isn't" debates that fill the forums. ( what? like this one! quote .lol)

Is it time to split the game in two? Have an "eve-lite" for thoses who want to look at nice spaceship pixels and do safe missioning and stuff and have a separate main eve game that has no hi sec, only low sec and null sec - or just a game with null only?

But that will kill the game.... Which version? Which sand box?

Brb... Theres a large group of people at my door, hmmm..... Seem angry about something......

P.s.

Yes, I cant spell
No, I won't show you on the doll....
No, I have no tears,
Yes.... This is a alt , I'm not that crazy ( quote number 2)

In short, they need each other but won't admit it. The game is fine.

We should all just hatefuck and get it out of our systems.