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![Aareya Aareya](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1038486423/portrait?size=64)
Aareya
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
6
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:03:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:THERE WAS NO BUG. Just a poorly thought out formula, which was pointed out by multiple people many times prior to going live. CCP knew it was there, or is still ignoring the userbase(which they claim to have learned not to do).
This deserves emphasis. |
![Lord Zim Lord Zim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1121024806/portrait?size=64)
Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:04:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Rudgier Thorrin wrote:Gun Gal wrote:No matter how you cut it, finding a bug, not reporting it, and exploiting it is wrong. It would be a bug if they could create ISK from thin air. Initially that is exactly what was happening though ... To repeat. When you kill a ship in faction warfare (belonging to the enemy faction) you get loyalty points awarded equal to the value of the ship + cargo. These freighters that were being killed on alts were awarding loyalty point payouts (for the kill) that also counted in the cargo that had dropped in space (and thus could be added to a future kill and payout). That really is double counting and is creating (if not isk) then loyalty points that can be turned into isk (from thin air.) That (as I understand it) was the bug that got fixed early, but I didn't see any note in the op post suggesting that LP has been removed from the game - its even referred to as "seed" (or foundation) LP for the continuing scheme. Tell me more about how I can turn LP directly into ISK. |
![Talon SilverHawk Talon SilverHawk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/256257484/portrait?size=64)
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
475
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:04:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Upset Goons are the best Goons ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Ah, I see. The "u mad!" troll. Truly scraping the bottom of the troll barrel.
I know but its lunch and I'm bored, and hey the kettles cant call the pot black .....
Tal
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![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2488
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:05:00 -
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Vokanic wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Vile rat wrote:Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics. You could argure that having the value of the loot that dropped from the freighters available to process again whilst nonetheless counting in the isk value "destroyed" for LP was an abuse of a bug Vile Vat. You could argue that if Goons get Sreeg'd, you're next in line.
Well hardly, I (and the rest of the Minmatar Militia) made our LP quite legally. You could say we benefitted from the tier 5 loyalty point store (and we did) but it would be quite easy to deduct the 6m loyalty points from any sum reclaimed from goons to justify that saturday's levels. It is after all, a tiny drop in the ocean.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
![Karadion Kohlar Karadion Kohlar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/265867184/portrait?size=64)
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:06:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:So the answer is yes distancing yourselves now ![Twisted](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_twisted.png) Blubbering baby Because? Upset Goons are the best Goons ![Lol](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_lol.png) Blubbering baby The only one I see upset is you. So what was your point again in the first place? Why should we have to distance ourself from those 5 guys? In fact, we're glad that they discovered this huge flaw since CCP can't design for crap anyways. Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really. Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it. Funny Blubbering baby That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby. |
![Crellion Crellion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1143841363/portrait?size=64)
Crellion
Parental Control
27
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:06:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:interested in QA'ing, do it on the test server. this wasn't done on the test server because one huge aspect of the scheme wasn't possible on the test server
Upgrading systems?
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![Richard Desturned Richard Desturned](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90758065/portrait?size=64)
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:06:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.
amazing how you haven't responded to my question
why would we need to distance ourselves? a rogue goon |
![Xhaiden Ora Xhaiden Ora](https://images.evetech.net/characters/298590900/portrait?size=64)
Xhaiden Ora
University of Caille Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:06:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:The rules in EVE change. Its needed to try and prevent/reduce stagnation. As long as those rules are adhered to, it works. One of those rules is that CCP does not directly intervene unless another rule is broken, they just change the rules to prevent it from occurring again.
I'll leave rule enforcement up to CCP though you're changing the subject based on what you think my position is here.
Tallian Saotome wrote: Whining to CCP violates the spirit of the game.
Oh bullshit. CCP is first and foremost a business. They're not our mom. |
![Lord Zim Lord Zim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1121024806/portrait?size=64)
Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:06:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.
Funny As I was saying...
Lord Zim wrote:It's the age-old "you're mad, aren't you?" "no, I'm not." "yes, you so are. just look at you." "no, I'm not mad." "yeeeees you are, oh yes you are. you're so utterly mad." "sigh. go away please." "mad mad mad mad. you're mad. you're mad. you're mad." *punch in the face* "see? I told you you were mad." technique. |
![Lapine Davion Lapine Davion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1202704088/portrait?size=64)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:07:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:well, Eula break again guy: "3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"
Confirming that buying a $200 keyboard is against the EULA. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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![Richard Desturned Richard Desturned](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90758065/portrait?size=64)
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:07:00 -
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Crellion wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Ghost Xray wrote:interested in QA'ing, do it on the test server. this wasn't done on the test server because one huge aspect of the scheme wasn't possible on the test server Upgrading systems?
because this only involved upgrading systems and absolutely nothing else
cripes a rogue goon |
![Lapine Davion Lapine Davion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1202704088/portrait?size=64)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:08:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.
Funny As I was saying... Lord Zim wrote:It's the age-old "you're mad, aren't you?" "no, I'm not." "yes, you so are. just look at you." "no, I'm not mad." "yeeeees you are, oh yes you are. you're so utterly mad." "sigh. go away please." "mad mad mad mad. you're mad. you're mad. you're mad." *punch in the face* "see? I told you you were mad." technique.
I know right? A bunch of Goons just made tons of money and lp by gaming the system. Who would be mad about that besides the people who didn't get in on it and people who are mad at Goons anyway? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
![Lord Zim Lord Zim](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1121024806/portrait?size=64)
Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:09:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:because this only involved upgrading systems and absolutely nothing else
cripes I'd tell him about the price averages, but I'm not sure it'd dawn on him still. |
![Karadion Kohlar Karadion Kohlar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/265867184/portrait?size=64)
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:09:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it.
Funny As I was saying... Lord Zim wrote:It's the age-old "you're mad, aren't you?" "no, I'm not." "yes, you so are. just look at you." "no, I'm not mad." "yeeeees you are, oh yes you are. you're so utterly mad." "sigh. go away please." "mad mad mad mad. you're mad. you're mad. you're mad." *punch in the face* "see? I told you you were mad." technique. I know right? A bunch of Goons just made tons of money and lp by gaming the system. Who would be mad about that besides the people who didn't get in on it and people who are mad at Goons anyway? Would you have preferred that they didn't report the bug to Stoffer so everyone would have gotten on it? |
![Mabego Tetrimon Mabego Tetrimon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90626419/portrait?size=64)
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
7
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:10:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:well, Eula break again guy: "3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" Confirming that buying a $200 keyboard is against the EULA.
if you cant get the meaning, well shut up ;9
i am just hyperbole to give CCP a hint on how they might get their eggs in hand - means i have a low thinking of CCP sec, hm? |
![Talon SilverHawk Talon SilverHawk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/256257484/portrait?size=64)
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
475
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:10:00 -
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That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby.[/quote]
LOL at you ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png)
Blubbering baby, is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next
Tal
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![TomHorn TomHorn](https://images.evetech.net/characters/993607874/portrait?size=64)
TomHorn
Horn and Brothers
49
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:10:00 -
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I for one bow down to our Goonie Overlords. Im just fuzzy little bear.
Nice hiest , enjoyed the right up.
Now lets all get back to our day jobs. |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2488
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:10:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:well, Eula break again guy: "3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play"
I do have a recollection that CCP specifically said that G15-19 whatever keyboards don't break the eula on macros previously - but I also agree this is a probably a pretty significant edge case ... because yep, by the wording of that part of the eula its precisley what happened.
Interesting to see what the judgement will be on that really - I have no idea.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
![Wyle E Coyote Wyle E Coyote](https://images.evetech.net/characters/91853632/portrait?size=64)
Wyle E Coyote
ACME WH INC.
1
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:11:00 -
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As much as i may get a good chuckle out of this **** war( i say d i c k cuz they won't let me use( p e n i s) lmao).. (players whackin each other with dildos like pillows) There seems to be one flaw in all design that everyone dances around but no one dare touch: it's not an exploit if it's in your favor.. am i correct?
Here let me spell it out for you neophytes - An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to oneGÇÖs own advantage) is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behaviour to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerised). This frequently includes such things as gaining control of a computer system or allowing privilege escalation or a denial-of-service attack.
Heaven help us all if this kind of idealogy crosses over into RL ... oh wait it already has. And Goons.. stop riding your own dicks it's never flattering to see.
"When the world is consumed of all its living you will consume each other and if you are the only one playing the game left alone in cold deep space it is you yourself you have to blame." |
![Karadion Kohlar Karadion Kohlar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/265867184/portrait?size=64)
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:11:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby. LOL at you ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) Blubbering baby, is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next Blubbering baby ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) I don't have signature turned on. You still haven't answered the question, blubbering baby. |
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![Lapine Davion Lapine Davion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1202704088/portrait?size=64)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:12:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:well, Eula break again guy: "3. You may not use stored rapid keystrokes that facilitate acquisition of items at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play" Confirming that buying a $200 keyboard is against the EULA. if you cant get the meaning, well shut up ;9
I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
![Jade Constantine Jade Constantine](https://images.evetech.net/characters/158634209/portrait?size=64)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
2488
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:12:00 -
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Aareya wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:THERE WAS NO BUG. Just a poorly thought out formula, which was pointed out by multiple people many times prior to going live. CCP knew it was there, or is still ignoring the userbase(which they claim to have learned not to do). This deserves emphasis.
It really doesn't because there was clearly a bug in the initial double-counting of LP for "destruction" even when parts of the loot dropped. This WAS A BUG. People really need to read a little more closely.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom Epic Inferno Wardec Test, Sign up and shoot Goons for free! |
![Bagehi Bagehi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/609221625/portrait?size=64)
Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
89
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:13:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Vokanic wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Vile rat wrote:Also let me be perfectly blunt here. There was no bug abuse. They made the economy for faction war and they set the parameters. Everything that was done occured within the realm of legal game mechanics even if that wasn't the intention of the dev that coded this. As has been explained blapping frigates with titans wasn't intended either but was considered a legal, if abusive method of using game mechanics. You could argure that having the value of the loot that dropped from the freighters available to process again whilst nonetheless counting in the isk value "destroyed" for LP was an abuse of a bug Vile Vat. You could argue that if Goons get Sreeg'd, you're next in line. Well hardly, I (and the rest of the Minmatar Militia) made our LP quite legally. You could say we benefitted from the tier 5 loyalty point store (and we did) but it would be quite easy to deduct the 6m loyalty points from any sum reclaimed from goons to justify that saturday's levels. It is after all, a tiny drop in the ocean.
Soooo... if CCP were to revert everything the goons did... does this mean AMARR VICTOR!?!?! |
![Talon SilverHawk Talon SilverHawk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/256257484/portrait?size=64)
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
475
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:13:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it. amazing how you haven't responded to my question why would we need to distance ourselves?
You guys need to answer that yourselves really, I believe you where the one that said it this thread that its not a Goon thing it was those 5 guys ?
How would I know why you wanted to distance yourself ?
Tal |
![Jack Miton Jack Miton](https://images.evetech.net/characters/624401201/portrait?size=64)
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
338
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:13:00 -
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bunch of carebears... that crap's industry ;) |
![Richard Desturned Richard Desturned](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90758065/portrait?size=64)
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:14:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:How would I know why you wanted ti distance yourself ?
because any person capable of independent thought could see why we wouldn't need to
and i pointed out exactly why we wouldn't need to distance ourselves from it a rogue goon |
![Lapine Davion Lapine Davion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1202704088/portrait?size=64)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:15:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Actually the ones getting upset are you, getting hostile, changing sigs, I mean really.
Thread started "we" are goons "we" are leet look what we have done, thread ended , nuffin to do with us guv, nuffin I tell you. twas them that dun it. amazing how you haven't responded to my question why would we need to distance ourselves? You guys need to answer that yourselves really, I believe you where the one that said it this thread that its not a Goon thing it was those 5 guys ? How would I know why you wanted ti distance yourself ? Tal
That's not really how it works. You need to explain how and why they are distancing themselves.
See, you need to explain why you think that way because you were the one who said they were. That is how it works. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
![Talon SilverHawk Talon SilverHawk](https://images.evetech.net/characters/256257484/portrait?size=64)
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
475
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:15:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby. LOL at you ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next Tal ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad ![Cry](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png)
Fixed
Tal
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![Mabego Tetrimon Mabego Tetrimon](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90626419/portrait?size=64)
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
7
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:16:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote: I'd return my keyboard to Best Buy, but it's outside of the return policy. What should I do so I don't get banned for owning a $200 keyboard?
i am really sorry for you and your keyboars, really man....but wtf, play another game then. |
![Lapine Davion Lapine Davion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1202704088/portrait?size=64)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
466
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Posted - 2012.06.22 12:16:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:That's it? That's your whole argument? You are still avoiding the question. Why should we separate our self from those 5? I'm sure you can answer the question, blubbering baby. LOL at you ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) Tal , is that it, you'll be complaining about my sig next Tal ![Big smile](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_smile-big.png) I havent got a good argument so I'll start with the very weak personal attacks to try and make him mad ![Cry](https://forums-archive.eveonline.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cry.png) I may or may not have a mental disorder that makes me see and read things that aren't there. Tal We can do this all day Tal. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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