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15th Century Portrait
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:39:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: I might point out that this never happened
It did according to the first several pages of this thread, back when dozens of goonswarm members were bragging about it? It's almost as though goons reflexively troll and make **** up. If you want to take a few otherwise unsubstantiated posts as proof that something happened, though, be my guest. thats terrible |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
473
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:41:00 -
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15th Century Portrait wrote:corestwo wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: I might point out that this never happened
It did according to the first several pages of this thread, back when dozens of goonswarm members were bragging about it? It's almost as though goons reflexively troll and make **** up. If you want to take a few otherwise unsubstantiated posts as proof that something happened, though, be my guest. thats terrible
Didn't you say you were going to bed three or four pages ago? CCP no longer respects its sandbox. Thanks, Sony. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
83
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:42:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote: I'm not faced with any consequences, no matter how much you insist on it, because I wasn't involved in this scheme myself in any way. Are you beginning to understand?
Guilt by association. One goon can make all of you look bad. It's that simple. That guy standing up with his goonswarm tag on proclaiming how he made a much more powerful entity then goons look bad? That makes all of you look bad.
If it was limited to the game, I wouldn't give a ****. But you are also making all the other players look bad as well. Do you know how much **** eve players take in other forums just because of that **** Mittens pulled at fan fest, followed by his ranting bullshit speeches?
Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium |
15th Century Portrait
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:42:00 -
[2254] - Quote
corestwo wrote:15th Century Portrait wrote:corestwo wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: I might point out that this never happened
It did according to the first several pages of this thread, back when dozens of goonswarm members were bragging about it? It's almost as though goons reflexively troll and make **** up. If you want to take a few otherwise unsubstantiated posts as proof that something happened, though, be my guest. thats terrible Didn't you say you were going to bed three or four pages ago? dance puppet dance! |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
478
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:48:00 -
[2255] - Quote
Morning, man this thread is just gonna keep on rollin ......
How many pages you think ?
Tal
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1448
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:50:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Morning, man this thread is just gonna keep on rollin ......
How many pages you think ?
Tal
Morning Tal. No clue, m running out of popcorn. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1169
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Posted - 2012.06.23 07:53:00 -
[2257] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: I'm not faced with any consequences, no matter how much you insist on it, because I wasn't involved in this scheme myself in any way. Are you beginning to understand?
Guilt by association. One goon can make all of you look bad. It's that simple. That guy standing up with his goonswarm tag on proclaiming how he made a much more powerful entity then goons look bad? That makes all of you look bad. If it was limited to the game, I wouldn't give a ****. But you are also making all the other players look bad as well. Do you know how much **** eve players take in other forums just because of that **** Mittens pulled at fan fest, followed by his ranting bullshit speeches?
Heh cool CCP should follow a "guilt by association" policy, that'll end well for them, punitive actions against entire alliances for the actions of a few members a rogue goon |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
942
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:12:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: I'm not faced with any consequences, no matter how much you insist on it, because I wasn't involved in this scheme myself in any way. Are you beginning to understand?
Guilt by association. One goon can make all of you look bad. It's that simple. That guy standing up with his goonswarm tag on proclaiming how he made a much more powerful entity then goons look bad? That makes all of you look bad. If it was limited to the game, I wouldn't give a ****. But you are also making all the other players look bad as well. Do you know how much **** eve players take in other forums just because of that **** Mittens pulled at fan fest, followed by his ranting bullshit speeches? Heh cool CCP should follow a "guilt by association" policy, that'll end well for them, punitive actions against entire alliances for the actions of a few members
Ooh, I like this idea, I'll get an alt into World Welfare Works Association real quick and get the entire alliance banned for I dunno, posting rumors or something. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1111
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:15:00 -
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Xython wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Heh cool CCP should follow a "guilt by association" policy, that'll end well for them, punitive actions against entire alliances for the actions of a few members Ooh, I like this idea, I'll get an alt into World Welfare Works Association real quick and get the entire alliance banned for I dunno, posting rumors or something. Such a great opportunity to awox on a META scale ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Leon Lichtenstein
Cimba Holding AG
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:34:00 -
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It feels not right. Most people are hard working for their ISK and some of them cant get enough to buy PLESK for the next Month. We have now a small group of people that can play EVE for free, like forever. LP Store was fail by design but using this as perpetuum mobiles to generate items - in a massiv amount - was a deliberate use of a BUG Maybe you will say its not a bug, but only a bug need a hotfix.
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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
119
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:35:00 -
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Has anyone actually had their mind changed on their opinion about this? I mean from the 113 pages of debating back and forth. Or has everyone just entrenched in even further than they were before? |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:43:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ?
yes. exploit is exploit. ISK may not have been created from thin air, but LP was. Auction - EVE Rogues Alliance [ROGUE]: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438-á-á~ Latest bid: 190 million ISK. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
942
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:47:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:yes. exploit is exploit. ISK may not have been created from thin air, but LP was.
No it wasn't. It was created using the Faction Warfare system. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
807
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:48:00 -
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Only thing that would make this more epic is if they get banned for using macros to do all that LP item shopping. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
310
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:55:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Has anyone actually had their mind changed on their opinion about this? I mean from the 113 pages of debating back and forth. Or has everyone just entrenched in even further than they were before?
IT's never debating that goes on in here so i'd have a hard time believing even some might have changed their opinion along the way |
Cordata Jomar
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.06.23 08:59:00 -
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http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvisir.is%2Fmisnotudu-glufu-i-eve-online---hognudust-um-21-milljon-isk-i-leiknum%2Farticle%2F2012120629638&act=url
I'm just going to leave this here. However, let me leave you a quick TL:DR, for those of you too lazy to actually expend the effort of clicking on a link.
Quote: p+¬tur aka CCP Xhagen says. "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden. Thus, it is unclear what will be done." |
Kwa Zulu
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:11:00 -
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this thread is delicious |
Haifisch Zahne
HZ Corp
59
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:42:00 -
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Probably said somewhere in the depths of the prior 114 pages of posts, but...
You played right into CCP's hands!
At Fanfest, CCP stated it was there intent to reduce the rampant inflation by:
* Removing ISK from the game using the established ISK sinks. DONE. You Goons fed CCP's ISK sinks with market orders, and, I imagine, as partial payment for those LP store purchases.
Good job, Goons. You played into CCP's hands. You reduced inflation, AND MADE YOUR INVESTMENT WORTH LESS.
* You have successfully flooded the market with Goods. Less ISK, more Goods. You Goons have played into CCP's (unmentioned) goal to increase Goods (to bolster the other half of the Eve Balance Sheet) in order to reduce rampant inflation. (By the looks of it, you exchanged worthless Goods for high-value Goods, at a marginal cost. And, you Goons destroyed vast mineral reserves, another CCP goal.) Just as we saw a huge drop in prices on skill books and the other items *given away by CCP* for the 9th anniversary of Eve, we shall be able to mark this day, Goon's Fool Day, as the day that prices plummeted in Eve, making your investment worth less.
Good job, Goons. You played into CCP's hands. You reduced inflation, AND MADE YOUR INVESTMENT WORTH LESS.
3) Simply on the face of it, you paid less for the items than the general market rate. This is, by very definition, deflation.
Good job, Goons.
(But, no, really, good job. Excellent gaming the system. Just too bad you PLAYED INTO CCP's HANDS AND MADE YOUR INVESTMENT WORTH LESS.) |
Benny Ohu
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
202
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:50:00 -
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Yes it was CCP's plan all along to release a system with a major loophole knowing a small number of Goons would find it and make absurd amounts of ISK. All along. They are the puppetmasters and you are the puppets.
It's so clear now. |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
26
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Posted - 2012.06.23 09:53:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ? yes. exploit is exploit. ISK may not have been created from thin air, but LP was.
Same thin air I get LP from when completing any mission |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
534
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:05:00 -
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Only thing that will happen is they plug any holes found by some Goons, the Goons get to keep their ISK which was made by the exploit by calling it something else. A bit of whaahaahaa and it get's hushed down. In the best case scenario they will find a scapegoat to blame and mess him all over. The scapegoat will be most likely a character that is stopping anyways or just a black goat char made a while ago to be used for things like this.
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J3ssica Biel
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:11:00 -
[2272] - Quote
Haifisch Zahne wrote:Probably said somewhere in the depths of the prior 114 pages of posts, but...
You played right into CCP's hands!
At Fanfest, CCP stated it was there intent to reduce the rampant inflation by:
* Removing ISK from the game using the established ISK sinks. DONE. You Goons fed CCP's ISK sinks with market orders fees, and, I imagine, as partial payment for those LP store purchases.
Good job, Goons. You played into CCP's hands. You reduced inflation, AND MADE YOUR INVESTMENT WORTH LESS.
* You have successfully flooded the market with Goods. Less ISK, more Goods. You Goons have played into CCP's (unmentioned) goal to increase Goods (to bolster the other half of the Eve Balance Sheet) in order to reduce rampant inflation. (By the looks of it, you exchanged worthless Goods for high-value Goods, at a marginal cost. And, you Goons destroyed vast mineral reserves, another CCP goal.) Just as we saw a huge drop in prices on skill books and the other items *given away by CCP* for the 9th anniversary of Eve, we shall be able to mark this day, Goon's Fool Day, as the day that prices plummeted in Eve, making your investment worth less.
Good job, Goons. You played into CCP's hands. You reduced inflation, AND MADE YOUR INVESTMENT WORTH LESS.
* Simply on the face of it, you paid less for the items than the general market rate. This is, by very definition, deflation.
Good job, Goons.
(But, no, really, good job. Excellent gaming the system. Just too bad you PLAYED INTO CCP's HANDS AND MADE YOUR INVESTMENT WORTH LESS.) Tinfoil Hat |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:19:00 -
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qDoctor Strangelove wrote:Mars Theran wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. Serious question Sreegs, is this kind of thing actually cheating ? (ie against the rules) I read their document a couple of nights ago and though sure it really did blow massive holes through the eve game mechanics in order to make a giant profit - was it actually illegal ? yes. exploit is exploit. ISK may not have been created from thin air, but LP was. Same thin air I get LP from when completing any mission
Not quite. The exploit is database manipulation if you read the OP. Basically, they inflated the database value of a bunch of items and/or ships that were infrequently purchased or used, then had them blown up and calculated for LP based on the inflated database value of the items/ships.
That's LP rom nothing. Not the same as LP rewards from missions and the like which are calculated based on set amounts from a table.
tl;dr:
Create a fake database value to be used in FW LP reward calculation for ship kills, then go inject fake database number into calculation for LP by killing a ship with fake database number in cargo or as ship. Sell LP and Profit. Auction - EVE Rogues Alliance [ROGUE]: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438-á-á~ Latest bid: 190 million ISK. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1169
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:28:00 -
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That's a pretty loaded word there! a rogue goon |
Doc Mulder
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:30:00 -
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cool story bro.
Whatever...
If someone really has 300 trillion ISK they made from this I would think they would become bored shitless. No more challenges in game... |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1169
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:31:00 -
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Doc Mulder wrote:cool story bro.
Whatever...
If someone really has 300 trillion ISK they made from this I would think they would become bored shitless. No more challenges in game...
Where do people keep getting these numbers? a rogue goon |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
479
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Posted - 2012.06.23 10:59:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Doc Mulder wrote:cool story bro.
Whatever...
If someone really has 300 trillion ISK they made from this I would think they would become bored shitless. No more challenges in game... Where do people keep getting these numbers?
beginning of the thread somewhere ...
Tal
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Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:06:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:
Create a fake database value to be used in FW LP reward calculation for ship kills, then go inject fake database number into calculation for LP by killing a ship with fake database number in cargo or as ship. Sell LP and Profit.
They never created a fake database value. They inflated slow moving/stagnant items and manipulated them to be significantly higher so they could generate LP more efficiently and effectively. Nothing about that is fake. |
Tergerom Loregeron
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:10:00 -
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Cordata Jomar wrote:http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fvisir.is%2Fmisnotudu-glufu-i-eve-online---hognudust-um-21-milljon-isk-i-leiknum%2Farticle%2F2012120629638&act=url I'm just going to leave this here. However, let me leave you a quick TL:DR, for those of you too lazy to actually expend the effort of clicking on a link. Quote: p+¬tur aka CCP Xhagen says. "Technically speaking, they were not doing anything that was forbidden. Thus, it is unclear what will be done."
So which side is really representative for CCP? The head or the ass? Seems to me that the ass is winning this time around, and we all know the ass doesn't have any brains. |
Saturn Boomer
0
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Posted - 2012.06.23 11:38:00 -
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And there was me thinking I was a money making genius. I got nothing on this guy.
I tip my hat to you sir.
-Boomer Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. -á |
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